Is there an alt-left?
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here's your alternative left
>>73876892
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Trigglypuff ate it.
Depends on how you define an alt-left. I can see it taken 3 ways:
One way is to see the "alt-" part as noting extremism. In this way, the "regressives" who advocate safe spaces, privilege checking, "cis" labels, the concept of micro-agressions, etc. would be the alt-left, because they are an extreme, authoritarian group.
In another way you could see the "alt-left" as being the people standing up against the bullshit going on in the left. Liberals standing up against regressive restrictions on free speech (like what I described above), who are socially libertarian, but for socialist/social democratic economic support programs, would be that alt-left.
The third group would be leftist ideologies that are out of the mainstream, like deep ecology/primitivism, anarcho-syndicalism/mutualism/libertarian socialism, social democracy/democratic socialism, communism, etc.
The reason all these comparisons are fair is that the alt-right is to the right what each of those things represents - the alt-right is essentially today's version of right wing nationalism, which is extreme, alternative, and critical of current conservative trends.
>>73876634
what am I looking at here?
My dick wants to respond to the face but the arms have thrown me.
>>73876634
No, there isn't.
>>73876892
>Is there an alt-left?
Yes, it's called the "alt-right".
Stop falling for the fucking meme that the SJW left created. The so called alt right is full of liberals, classical liberals and libertarians who are just sick of the nuts who have taken over the left label.
You're letting them have an easy goal by calling yourself alt-right or thinking that this populist resurgence against the establishments and the kooks falls along classical political borders.
>>73877258
>The third group would be leftist ideologies that are out of the mainstream, like deep ecology/primitivism, anarcho-syndicalism/mutualism/libertarian socialism, social democracy/democratic socialism, communism, etc.
This is probably the best answer. The whole idea of being "alt" is that your ideas are outside the mainstream and generally not accepted by the average bloke on the street. The alt-left may not be as large as the alt-right, but it's definitely there.
What even is the alt right?
>>73877407
Libertarians were never Leftists. Left-Libertarianism is an oxymoron. Individualism is and has always been right wing.
>>73877258
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>>73877456
identitarianism
>>73876634
like,hippies man
>>73876634
You're looking at it.
>>73877493
You can claim that, but I think we all know 4chan's userbase consistently falls into the left libertarian section of the political compass.
The right/left dichotomy is worn out and useless by now, letting them define which puppet you can side with just gives you an overton window of manipulated "choice".
The illusion of freedom.
In reality every issue is a separate issue and you can take different stands on them. Political zealotry is how they keep their thumb on the masses.
>>73877493
>Individualism is and has always been right wing.
So Monarchy is left wing...?
>>73876634
/leftypol/ on cripplechan
Basically just a non-identitarian left.
>>73877170
Can someone explain this to me?
>>73877520
Gypsies post here all the time.
>>73877545
How is that any different form nat-soc?
>>73877641
first post, best post
>>73877641
First post best post
>>73877493
>Individualism is and has always been right wing
You're unfamiliar with the history of the terms libertarian and right wing. Early on libertarianism referred to the anti-authoritarian side of any ideology, including socialism, where it was most often used. "Libertarian socialist" thinkers like Kropotkin and Bakunin were vocally opposed to authoritarianism in the labor movement.
The "right wing" term was applied to many collectivist ideologies, including fascism, national socialism, and theocracy.
>>73877607
>political compass
That thing is fucked. It has a very heavy bottom left bias.
>>73877646
check that flag again
>>73877623
leftypol is just where all the commies on here went because they needed a safe space as we kept laughing at them.
>>73876634
Neo-Stalinists? If such a movement even exists.
You know, leftists, but not pussies.
>>73877258
I thought the alt left would be something cool like red fascists, and national Bolshevikism.
Alt-left is someone who considers themselves left wing, but hates the establishment left. Any leftie who hates the Democrats can be considered alt-left, but no one is adopting that term because there isn't much of an anti-establishment movement on the left. The majority of lefties are ok with feminism and anti-white propaganda.
The reason alt-right exists is because people on the right are sick and tired of Neocons who will fight till death for Israel, but have no love for their own country.
>>73877407
The alt-right is characterised by the right wing hierarchies it believes in.
What the media calls the "alt-right" is often the manosphere.
>>73877258
Thanks nigger, that's actually a good explanation.
"Stalin did nothing wrong" types.
>>73877258
So like, Dave Rubin could be a part of the alt-left?
FYI alt-right is not a right wing movement.
Contemplate that for a moment.
>>73877818
Dave Rubin is a pretty standard liberal but one of the rare few with a brain. There's no real edge to him at all, and indeed holds many of the same core value as those he derides as "regressive" and just disagrees with their execution.
>>73877736
>there isn't much of an anti-establishment movement on the left
That's wrong. Most of Sander's supporters would call themselves anti-estab.
>>73877493
Left wing economics cannot be libertarian, but Left wing social concepts can.
The essential divide is that the left consider the most needy to be at the top of the hierarchy, whereas the right consider the most valuable to be the top of hierarchy.
Eg:
>workers should own the means of production because they are the most exploited = left
>capitalists should own the means of production because they will best utilize it = right
>>73877846
Alt right is a bullshit term anyway. We've got all sorts from all over.
It's something that was dreamt up to pin us down and only really holds because we're anti establishment and the current establishment ranges from somewhat far left to centre.
>>73878173
He's one of the few good ones because he's willing to hear out people with opposing views, and bases his opinions of fact andcreason, not feelings.
>>73877846
To me it seems like "right" and "left" don't actually mean anything, it's just whatever people at certain time choose to define as right and left wing politics.
Alt-right and what it stands for will soon just become regular right.
>>73877493
Libertarianism originally existed as a brand of socialism you uneducated fag. Read Proudhon.
>>73878197
Pretty much the entire left would call themselves anti establishment - Fighting that racist cis white patriarchal wasp.
This doesn't mean they actually are when you've got the government doing this too at all levels.
>>73877665
It's not based off nat-soc although people who sympathize with nat-soc typically sympathize with identiarianist ideology.
It's largely a reactionary movement against the egalitarianist and globalist ideology coming from marxists and the 68ers.
>>73876634
Depending on your definition of mainstream, it's either SJWs or traditional Democrats.
The left are all fucking crazy so they don't have an extreme section
>>73876634
No, because all forms of leftism are publically and socially acceptable. No one is getting fired from their job for self I identifying as communist.
>>73877818
Exactly the type of person I had in mind for the second type I described
>>73878356
Like I said, he has a brain.
Though he will still shrink back in horror if one goes off the song sheet entirely.
Take his interviews with Milo for example - Milo "/pol/ for normies" Yiannopoulos.
There were a few "*gasp* how could you say that" moments when he wasn't even saying anything all that controversial really (by /pol/ standards anyway). Just that they were not founded on liberal principles.
>>73878279
No, Sargon, it was dreamt up to frame you as a racist. If you're not feasibly right wing, which you're not, then they can't call you a racist Nazi and dismiss you without hearing your opinion.
Alt right is simply leftist defeatism.
>>73878374
Of course not, because the regressive left wing authoritarian extremism reactionaries (aka "alt right") would be just as opposed to right wing extremism under the same grounds.
Libertarianism (sorry SarCuck "classical liberalism"... Can you fucking drop this?) Is at odds with extremism on both sides, which is why it's so disingenuous to label it "alt right." It's probably only "alt" because they know we're really not neonazis and racists or even neocon cuckservatives, although Sargon can totally say "my wife's child."
>>73878450
Anyone who denies that the identinerian left started in the US is delusional.
May 68 was largely an anti Vietnam and Algerian war protest movement that also had communist/leftist leanings against right-wing authoritarianism, and the liberation of desire. It never claimed to have global universality, but was firmly grounded in the deadlock of Gaullist politics.
>>73876634
Yes, they're the labour movement that actually cares about its own worlers and that doesn't care for identity politics
>>73877217
do you think her life is ruined?
>>73877041
Kek. Both Alt-Left speakers sound like they just finished prepping the bull during the pre-show.
>>73876634
There used it be until the 60s, it was called the New Left. They pretty much replaced the old Left and became mainstream until they weren't 'new' anymore
Alt right is unique to the USA because the language of right wing thinking is dominated by two big think tanks and distributed through right media outlets. Alt right comes from message boards where thoughts aren't filtered for content. They are two different swim lanes. And the folks swimming on one side failed to acknoledge how strong the swimmers were in the other.
The left has its own swim lane but their situation is different. Alternative leftist politics is fractured and has been around much longer screaming slogans at each other. To their credit, they seem to be drinking more koolaid from the same cup.Bernie wouldn't exist as a candidate in the 90s, I think the "alt left" could be a real thing, but the right alt right swim lane is stronger (despite its complete lack of structure).
>>73877723
I still like them, desu, although I was banned from there ("Will not expire") for making antifeminist threads,lol
The extreme left-wing has become mainstream. Most lefty today are extremists.
The mainstream left of old times, they are now alternative left.
>>73878768
It wasn't great in the first place
>>73878838
>I was banned from there ("Will not expire") for making antifeminist threads
Sounds about right.
>>73877682
aye, you're aLvwRight mate
>>73877407
anon does has a point. Trump is backed by a lot of left leaning transplants. Plus anyone who thinks Trump is an actual republican is fucking retarded. The american people are now aware how shit both establishments are.
>>73878989
I just wonder what happens to people like Carl the Cuck and AIDS Skrillex. Are they bullied beyond belief now? Do they have to switch schools? etc etc
>>73876634
SJW's, third wave feminism, literally preaching for socialism and communism.
>>73876634
>Anglos spend hours arguing what definition to assign to a mostly meaningless set of letters
Typical.
>>73879144
Carl probably hangs around his cancer friends still and AIDS Skrillex always has his failing band. Again, their lives probably weren't that great in the first place.
Aren't they typically known as the autonomous left? The more radical branches like syndicalists etc.
>>73879144
what happened to trigglypuff? never saw her reaction to anything
>>73879300
>we latin alphabet now but we'll assign different sounds to some letters and put some upside down and/or rotated for no reason and call it the Cyrillic alphabet
>>73879465
Probably ate some more of her feelings and gained 20 lbs
>>73876634
If the alt-right is just a more extreme version of the right, then the alt-left includes people who want to make all drugs legal and lower the age of consent and basically usher in the end of society.
>>73879519
It's derived from Greek alphabet, not Latin.
>>73879465
that would only prolong the circus surrounding her life right now. At least she is smart enough to avoid such a 2nd mistake..
>>73876634
you mean soviets? i guess I would be, I think capitalism is part of the reason you cannot fix degeneracy and white genocide.
capitalism is a pyramid scheme with the Jews on top
>>73879584
It's not "more extreme".
It is right wing social policies which the establishment have lost.
Establishment right wing parties are just the more right wing side of the Overton window, which are still Left wing policies, eg: open borders immigration, welfare state, and 'civil rights', but just a little less than now. The Conservatives were actually the ones who legalised gay marriage here.
They're not extreme right, they're just actually right.
>>73876634
The left is mainstream, so you don't really need an 'alt' left. You can say whatever full on commie shit you want and society will respectfully listen.
>>73880336
most if not all forms of government are pyramid schemes with x on top
>>73879584
>alt-right is just a more extreme version of the right
They're not though. Alt-right are Paleoconservatives without the extreme religious beliefs. They possess the courage that comes from nationalism to tell Neocons to fuck off. The evangelicals who voted for Trump do not fit this paradigm but they are so pissed off at the system that they are willing to vote Trump over bible thumper deluxe Ted Cruz.
>>73880560
>capitalism
>a government scheme
Because greed and wanting to profit are government inspired, am I right?
>>73880560
you can never get rid of cheap sources of labor like immigrants or gave never ending growth without immigration, therefore the profit motive must be removed or you can never stop immigration.
degeneracy like divorce has become a thirty billion dollar industry, sex also sells, as previously stated it cannot be removed without removing the profit motive
>>73877407
That is not the alt right you faggot.
The Alt Right is Reactionaries, Traditionalists, Fascists and for some reason stormfags.
>>73877493
Libertarians are actually liberals (free market capitalists) who stole the term libertarian from the anarchist/socialist left after the New Dealers claimed liberal for themselves. If you went back in time say 100 years you wouldn't find a single soul who would associate the term libertarian with anything but anti-capitalism.
you need an ever increasing customer base for profits. when they look at euro demographics they shit their pants and are bringing more consumers, they hope, they have jk values beyond profit margin. cheap labor, etc...
>>73879144
>implying either of these two weren't already rock-bottom losers
>>73877258
damn it, i have you already
>>73876634
Yes there is
>>73877774
>The alt-right is characterized by the right wing hierarchies it believes in.
What does this mean?
>>73876634
Basically what /pol/ thinks is the left is just the far left.
>>73883195
>>73883333
You are not answering my question in any way.
>>73876634
They shouldn't workout like that.... unless it is to bring more gold medals to the nation.
You should see this ones back... not very feminine
>>73877258
Well said.
alt-left are satanists who like to murder babies, get people dependent on money only to cut them off and kill them, etc
>>73877258
Nailed it
