What is so wrong with required voter identification?
Fuck me, what's the alternative?
>"Hey, i'm (name). Just let me vote!"
As long as we have background checks to exercise 2A rights, we should have voter ID laws. I'll give up on voter ID the very instant that a democrat proposes the abolition of background checks.
>>73808519
Because we can't expect people to be part of society anymore. Asking the literal bare minimum of someone is way too much to ask.
>>73808519
>What is so wrong with required voter identification?
It's an infringement on my right to vote.
When I go to vote, they ask my name, I sign my name, and I vote. NOT THAT FUCKING HARD
Voting should not be made harder. We already have Jim Crow poll taxes as examples of why we shouldn't have voter suppression laws.
>>73808725
>We already have Jim Crow poll taxes
You blew it here, but you had me for a moment.
>>73808519
Because then illegals can't vote for Democrats.
because there are no cases of this happening.
no one would be stupid enough to risk voter fraud with the laws in place to cast one extra vote that does not matter.
>>73808725
When I go to buy a gun, they ask for my ID and a bunch of other information.
Why do they get to infringe my right to keep and bear arms?
>>73809028
>When I go to buy a gun, they ask for my ID and a bunch of other information.
A gun isn't the same as voting. There isn't centuries of government sanctioned suppression based off of race, sex, class, etc. in order to buy a gun. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
>>73809028
because unlike guns voting can not get people killed.
>>73808519
Literally nothing.
Liberals need illegal immigrant votes to win. They also need votes from the dregs of society to win. That's the only reason people oppose it.
Even yuropoors require them from what I understand.
>>73809204
>There isn't centuries of government sanctioned suppression relating to firearms
FUCKING KEK
>>73809204
>There isn't centuries of government sanctioned suppression based off of race, sex, class, etc. in order to buy a gun.
>>73809296
>voting can not get people killed.
I'm being megabaited and I love it.
>>73809296
Guns don't kill people m8.
>>73809204
> bad things used to happen so we shouldn't have laws
What a shitpost.
>>73809298
>these people who live and contribute to this country dont get to vote
>because reasons.
Because then Dems wouldn't be able to get millions of illegal votes.
>>73808519
It should just be in your Driver's License or Non-Driver's License, as a little chip like they're putting in debit cards now.
>walk up to voter machine
>stick card in
>enter pin
>scan thumbprint
>vote
>print "I Voted" sticker and take card
It could be that easy.
>>73809028
Buying guns could also be in the same way as
>>73809426
Go up to Gun Vending Machine, put Driver's License in slot, give pin and thumbprint, swipe card, get gun.
>>73808725
Voting is a responsibility.
It should require a ID.
Liberals are against proper IDs because they abuse the system with fraudulent votes.
There is no logical reason to not verify ID before allowing legal voters to vote.
>>73809539
Truthfully, I don't think there should be voter ID, but I also don't think I should need to show my ID to buy a gun. It's a right, not a privilege.
>>73808519
liberals get triggered by wallets and pockets
>>73808868
Are you serious... Voter fraud has only been growing. Do some research and know what your talking about next time.
>>73808868
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/01/clinton-campaign-attorney-represented-voting-group-now-charged-with-registering-dead-people/
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/14/146827471/study-1-8-million-dead-people-still-registered-to-vote
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island-Nassau-County-Newsday-230030371.html
heres an easy way, tax forms. No tax form no vote. This removes the entire scummy voter pool
>>73809354
they can get people killed by being used in such a manner by a person who is upset and drunk because his football team won/lost
>>73809347
>go in cast fake vote
>nothing changes it is one extra vote
>outside of a small town it is a non issue
>go in buy gun without showing you are responsible enough to own a firearm
>in a fit of rage you shoot someone
>you kid gets a hold of it and shoots you/it self.
>people die
>>73808519
Because kikes can't steal elections with their invading, non-citizen nigger welfare hoards.
>>73810025
>one extra vote man, it doesn't matter. literally no consequences
>being this unable to see the big picture
>>73808519
>Fuck me, what's the alternative?
We've only had photo id cards for about half a century. How were things handled before then? Pretty sure voting existed before the mid twentieth century.
>>73808519
What?
You don't need id to vote? How retarded is that
>>73810293
Pretty sure we also didn't have tens of millions of non-citizens trying to vote back then, either.
>>73810025
>go in and exploit the very foundation of a democratic republic
>non issue
>>73810143
>it is gonna happen on a wide scale! i swear to fuckin god man!! the fuckin reptailes !
America needs the Bull Moose Party back.
not this faggot uppity rich pampered city bitch we have now in politics.
>>73810387
That's the point of this thread.
The Left wants more and more government control, unless it somehow weakens their position.
I find it bizarre I could literally fly to America, call myself Joe Smith and vote for Trump.
How the hell do you not require citizenship to vote?
>>73810421
Yeah, since this candidate is directly threatening to send them back to whatever rotten shit hole country the ran away from to come here. Of course they're going to vote against him. Fixing their home country would be too difficult, so it's easier just to come here and siphon money back home. You don't really know shit, do you? Probably still in high school and fell for the "being a liberal is the only correct way to think" brainwashing.
>>73810520
No I mean, how could it be that you don't have to show your id to vote? Is it like that since the start of your nation or what?
>>73810819
As long as you know of someone in a particular district who is registered to vote, you could turn up in their municipality and vote as them.
Dead people vote every year in the US due to this nonsense.
>>73810860
It was less of a deal in the beginning given that only male landowners could vote, and everyone knew everyone in rural America. It's a relic of a more intimate, agricultural society. In order to change this, you have to enact legislation that requires it, which is notoriously hard.
This is a relatively recent issue, seeing as every dumbass over the 18 is allowed to do it.
>>73810860
>how could it be that you don't have to show your id to vote?
After 1965, any effort to have an accurate vote, regardless of how minimal any hoop to jump through would be, is considered "RACIST!!!" and "VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!", even though poor as fuck people in India vote by the hundreds of millions with voter ID.
>>73811132
Maybe Trump can change this after he's in office or is it out of the president's reach?
>>73811132
So it's like with your unit system? You couldn't keep up with civilization because of how big your nation is, and now you are stuck with something old and everyone is used to it
>>73809204
Your right,
It's more important than voting.
>>73811452
It'll be hard to change at a federal level, but relatively easy at the local level IF you're prepared to deal with a smear job in the media.
>>73810025
>>go in cast fake vote
>>nothing changes it is one extra vote
There have been 0-margin votes in US history. Don't you ever forget that.
>>73811452
It requires law changes (legislature, not executive), unless these some kind of way to change how existing laws are enforced/executed.
A lot of the controversy surrounding voter ID right now is at the state government level though, not the federal government level. It's also more prevalent in swing states (no shocker).
>>73809296
Keep telling yourself that. Voting for Hillary will kill people.
>>73810421
You know Teddy Roosevelt was a gun enthusiast, right? You may want to disavow him now.
>>73810941
>Dead people vote every year in the US due to this nonsense.
Dead people predominantly vote democrat, even after being lifelong Republicans. It's very odd.
>>73812030
The difference being that other countries can just deal with the Imperial measurements if they want to trade with our huge market. Most of us just don't care that other countries dislike our units. They will change to accommodate us.
The potential weakness in exploiting votes can be exploited to harm the republic, making that an actual problem.
>>73808725
>I sign my name
So you've never actually voted...
>>73812468
Yeah, I noticed that. I don't recall ever having to sign my name and I've voted in multiple presidential elections and primaries.
>>73812648
Take note, that guy is probably a disgruntled Sandernista.
>>73808725
Confirmed for never have voted before
>>73810421
>believes in gun control
>has picture of Teddy Roosevelt
My Sides are in orbit.
>>73808519
Nothing is wrong with it. It's standard in a lot of countries that are infinitely more leftist than yours
things like organization, efficiency, and planning are RAYCIS and need to be dismantled, obviously
>>73808725
not an infringement. An infringement would be having to register to vote which you have to do anyway. They should just send you an ID when you register.
>>73808868
You just made me Carl out loud.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216
Because blacks are too lazy to go get IDs and Democrats need them to win elections
>>73808519
Because illegals. This wouldn't be a problem in a white society.
>>73809204
....exept for the NFA which didnt make scurry weapons illegal, just really expensive so poor minorities (esp immigrants), poor women (who didnt work) or poor poor people couldnt get them
Or the hughes amendment which again didnt make machine guns illegal, just lowered the supply again making them more expensive.
>>73809028
Shouldn't need an ID to buy a gun. Two wrongs don't make a right.
>>73808519
I like the idea of every citizen getting automatically registered to vote when they turn 18 and sent a ID card. The problem with the current ID laws is that they exploit the disparities between people who have "proper" ID and those who don't. If everyone were already registered and sent the card, it would be their own responsibility to have the card. As it stands, it can be difficult for a surprising number of people to get "proper" ID.
The only problem left that I could see with the system I described would be that homeless people or people recovering from other extreme circumstances might be denied the vote because they have no ID card.
>>73814664
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-City-Pistol-Licensing-Fee-Judge-Ruling-Legal-144305285.html
>$340 dollar recurring pistol permit fee not a burden
>"no evidence the fee has stopped anyone from exercising their rights."
>a ten dollar fee for voter id is though
The system is truly amazing isn't it?
>>73815223
You're pointing out how hypocritical most centrists/mainstream folk are. On the center-right, people make arguments to deny people the vote but don't accept the same arguments to deny people guns. On the center-left, it's the opposite. If you hate that poor people are denied the vote, you should also hate that they're denied firearms. Likewise, if you love oppressing poor people, stop pretending that you love the second amendment as opposed to loving arming the rich at the expense of the poor.
IDs ARE JUST A PIECE OF PAPER
Your little card can get lost or destroyed any time.
And then to get a new one issued you need more PIECES OF PAPER.
>>73809204
>>73808725
I too am a hard working American citizen
Say fellow American, what was the code to the nukes again? I forgot, silly me!
>>73808856
this
>>73815722
What's your point?
MONEY IS JUST PIECES OF METAL, CLOTH/PAPER, OR ELECTRONICALLY REPRESENTED NUMBERS
You little pieces of stuff or numbers can get lost or destroyed any time.
And then to get new money you need more PIECES OF METAL, CLOTH/PAPER, OR NUMBERS.
>no id required to vote
Does this mean i could get a plane ticket and vote for trump? Doesnt this also mean that one person can vote many times?
>>73808519
>What is so wrong with required voter identification?
It makes it slightly harder for liberals to rig elections.
>>73815559
How is expecting poor people to have ID oppressing them?
>>73816105
Have to be registered to vote first. You do not have to be a citizen to register to vote, however, thanks to Bill Clinton.
>>73816105
That's, roughly, one of the arguments in favor of voter ID. Arguments against usually point out how the laws deny a lot of people the ability to vote.
>>73816197
It isn't if the ID is mailed to them free of charge and there are places where they can be acquired free of charge for people who have no mailing address. That's not what most voter ID laws do though, to my knowledge. Most of the laws require specific forms of ID that aren't held by a lot of people and are difficult to acquire, especially in a timely manner, for many people.
They allow felons to vote in my state now.
What's the fucking point if some scum that sacrificed his rights by committing a wanton criminal act against society, is still allowed to vote next to me. It's absolute horse shit
>>73808519
>What is so wrong with required voter identification?
It's not needed, and it's another way to disenfranchise voters from voting. Acceptable IDs aren't free and can be hard to obtain , which fucks over poor and minority voters. It's not needed because there's less than 1% voter fraud, because no one fucking votes in this country.
>>73808519
>What is so wrong with required voter identification?
Because they don't give you a photo ID when you register to vote, just a paper slip that you could fake anyway.
>>73816518
Why should felons not be able to vote? Especially when a lot of felonies are bull shit. Should an 18 year old who became a felon in Kansas for having a hitsworth of weed be denied his rights for the rest of his life?
>>73816578
Same could be said for backround checks for guns.
>>73816817
do you even know what a felony is?
>>73808519
>be russian
>literally 3rd world country
>everybody has a passport that can be used as an ID in 100% cases
Really, why not have passports?
>>73808519
Wait, you don't need IDs to vote in USA???
>>73817033
Yes, do you?
>>73808725
Why should illegal, non tax paying immigrants be able to effect what my taxes are used for?
>>73808519
A ID should be required to vote it just makes sense.
The reason it's such a problem is because even a state ID costs money and by that note you are in essence paying to exercise one if the most basic of rights.
If states would provide state IDs free of charge then this wouldn't be an issue because at Tha point you literally have no excuse
>>73817225
I got my ID for free or for a very little symbolic sum
Literally nothing. Complete poor shitholes like India require ID. Plenty of liberal democracies do. Mexico does.
But we have niggers. A lot of incredibly stupid, unbelievably lazy niggers. And the Democrats can't win certain districts without them. Despite cries that there's "no problem" as is, the real problem is that these people don't even care to report it if someone commits voter fraud on their behalf. Couple that with the fact that people unwilling to undergo this slight inconvenience aren't going to educate themselves about their options either.
>>73817225
things were so much easier before niggers population spiraled out of control
![mouretsu_pirates-01-marika-confused-unaware-cute[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Q5Gqnau.jpg "mouretsu_pirates-01-marika-confused-unaware-cute[1].jpg")
>>73809204
>pretending to be a retard on the internet
>pretending to be a nigger on the internet
>pretending to be a liberal on the internet
For what purpose?
>this is actually a controversial issue in 'merica
>>73808519
Illegals can't vote left if it's required.
>>73817415
The funny thing is, if you suggest it occurs in leftists' socialist Scandinavian utopias, they say it's "not the same" because those places didn't have large-scale systems of discrimination in place, while at the same time decrying the idea that our economy is sufficiently different.
>>73809392
>illegal immigrants not paying taxes and using social services
>sending the money they make back to the 3rd world
>increasing insurance premiums
you arent going to get any shekels with shilling this weak goyim
>>73809298
>Even yuropoors require them from what I understand.
Pretty much - I have to prove my address and I do that with my driving licence. I think that counts as proof of ID as well.
>>73808725
>equating voter ID to Jim Crow Laws
For the most part you simply go down to your local courthouse, go to the county clerks office, do a quick form (should take less than 5 minutes if you are a responsible adult that should have the proper memorization of your personal shit), and get it in the mail in about a week.
What fucking world do you live in where that is in any shape, fashion, or form the same as Jim Crow Laws? Fucking niggers I swear.
>>73809298
>Even yuropoors require them from what I understand.
aren't you literally the only "democratic" country that doesn't
WA voter here, just mailed in my ballot for Trump.
>Theoretically
The poor are kept from voting
>De facto
Illegals don't get to vote
>>73809298
Yep.
Here there are required personal ID card and another one called "electoral card" (rough translation) that is required to vote.
If voting is a serious and powerful matter, the very base of a Democracy, it's only a good and right thing to control and regulate this ability, so it's legitimate.
2/10 wtf is this thread
>>73808725
When I go to buy a gun in California:
>I am forced to submit to a background check
>The sale is stored in a state database and is never destroyed
>I am forced to pay tax on the transaction
>Handgun ownership requires a test
>Handgun ownership requires proof of CA residency
>Handgun ownership requires proof of ownership of a CADOJ approved safe or similar locking device
But let's just forget about how the second amendment has been absolutely shit upon by anti-American scum. Instead, we should all call voter ID racist. It would require you to actually apply for an ID and pay a small fee for said ID. It would make it difficult to perpetrate voter fraud. But no, illegal aliens wouldn't be able to vote for democrats in some sick, self-servient farce.
Treason and sedition should both be punishable by death.
>>73817095
Yeah, it's a serious charge. not a misdemeanor you dumb fuck. There is a reason people are punished for them, and part of that punishment entails not being able to have any say in a free, responsible society full of people who have earned the right to vote by not committing fucking felonies
I imagine your a fucking felon and a loser though so you will defend it until the end
>>73808725
What is your name and what state do you live in?
>>73819055
>California
so when are you moving to based Florida?
If you don't think voter ID is being implemented by right-wing politicians for political advantage then you are either willfully ignorant or don't know jack shit about how politics works.
>>73820266
I thought Florida had the same mag limit as us? Or is that just the fucking bullet button?
>>73808519
my state just mails you the ballot
you fill it out and mail it in, or drop it in one of the free drop boxes located strategically throughout the cities.
no bullshit necessary.
>>73821020
i forgot to mention, most easy place to register is the DMV, while getting a license or ID.
>>73809298
Over here everyone above the age of 18 is required to vote.
We can get fined if we fail to do so.
The only thing we need to show is our ID.
>>73821071
What an autist. Yeah, Mexico, pinnacle of getting shit done right, let's be more like them.
Because Democrats need illegal votes so they say it's racist
Just like background checks on all the Muslim refugees are racist, because they want every single last vote they can get, security of the country be damned
>>73808630
underrated post.
I would love to see full ID, background checks, and more restrictions placed on not only voting, but on all rights. If I can't have 2A then fuck them all.
>>73808725
>an-caps and libertarians will defend this shit
Too expensive for niggers to go to the dmv. The white mans welfare needs to go to malt liquor.
>>73821562
>required to vote
You're. . .not kidding me are you.
Ok. How do they enforce this? Run the set of those who voted against the set of those registered and send nastygrams to non-matches? That would take a level of government monitoring I wouldn't be terribly comfortable with.
Or is it like our sodomy law, it's not enforced at all but is still on the books and laughed at.
>>73808519
Why can't americans just take their IDs with them while voting? I'm not leaving my house without ID.
>>73808519
It's a tactic by the right solely to depress minority turnout. It's effect at preventing fraud is negligible
>>73822427
I was really surprised the first time I voted.
>show up
>go to my appropriate table (sorted by party and last name)
>expect to have to produce my driver's license and voter ID card
>they don't check shit, just give me a card to verify and sign and my ballot
So ripe for corruption.
>>73822427
Americans do, the hyphenated and foreign dont.
>>73809204
>it's comparing fruit to other fruit
one is good and the other is good.
you need an id to drive, you need an id to travel outside the country, you need an id to buy a gun, to buy a house, why don't you need an id to influce political decisions? hell i'm not even saying make people pay for them, just have them sign a piece of paper and then send them a free one.
>>73822402
not really dude. all you'd need is a computer and a database
this would return the names and ids of people in the system who didn't vote
select name, ID, from citizens join voters where votecast = null.
return the addresses by row, and for each toe have them put a fine on their record, then just have them send out the letters
>>73822427
B-but poor people don't have IDs you fucking classist racist. You are lucky to be so privileged.
>live in Minnesota
>no voter ID required
The only proof that's needed is my own word that I am who I say I am
>>73822480
How the fuck does that even work.
>>73808725
if you don't have an ID by the time you're 18 you're a fucking retard
>>73822636
Same, it's disgusting
>>73822480
>>73808725
>>73808868
So if they were to be state provided and free upon request through a simple form where all you do is provide proof of who you are and valid citizenship (both of which are easy to get -- birth certificate/drivers license) would you be against voter ID?
That's what everyone here is advocating for.
It was petty issues like this that redpilled me. I grew up and live in commiefornia and I up until 15 described myself has a liberal democrat. When politics was brought up in school one day, someone mentioned if illegals should get to receive welfare. I said no and everyone thought i was evil. Then voter's ID came up and when asked if they should be required i said yes. At the time I didn't even know it was a democrat issue. I mean I took these things down as common sense. Americans first. Always. Before religion, before wealth.
>>73809296
Pen > Sword
Voting in the wrong fucking person > A gun
>>73823522
I never understood this argument, it's not that expensive to go and get a state issued ID card.
>>73824062
Because that means dead people can't vote for Democrats anymore
I don't get the big deal. Are democrats against it because they get illegal votes?
>>73824287
Please tell me this is bullshit
>>73822636
>Go to vote
>Have to drive there
>In order to drive, I must posess my Drivers License
>Ooga Booga in the voting center doesn't ask for my ID
>Pretend I heard him wrong and show him anyway
>He thanks me and gives me my ballot after doing all the card bullshit
I'm making habits for when Voter ID laws come into effect.
>>73824363
It's not.
>>73824633
I'm fucking done honest to Christ
>>73824211
The niggers don't have any money after they spend it all on weed, video games, bullets for their guns (cause they cant hit shit), and alcohol.
