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/pol/, how do I un-atheist myself?
>>73752884
Just be anti-islam, the rest doesn't matter.
>>73752884
Become agnostic. It's the same thing but less pretentious
>>73752884
take lsd
>>73752884
Pray to St. Ignucius for piety and wisdom.
>>73752933
I already am.
>>73752978
Seems like a good idea
>>73752982
Kill yourself
>>73752982
This
>>73752978
>less pretentious
Become a Pastafarian.
>You don't have to believe a thing
>Heaven has a stripper factory and beer volcano
>Fridays are religious hollidays
>Pirate garb is religious dress
>Collanders are religious headwear
>The 8 I'd Really Rather you Wouldn'ts
>Midgets are FSM's chosen people
>Only religion to NEVER have a war/violence started in the FSMs name.
>>73752884
read the new testament then the old testament and decide for yourself retard
>>73752884
You dont. Theres a better theory out there.
You are immortal; it is impossible to not be, because it is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious. Just that one sentence proves it. It is like these sentences: It is impossible for it to be light and dark at the same time, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. They are simple, but certain facts. The sentence "It is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious" is a simple and certain fact.
Fyi Einstein and Newton is said to believe this
>>73752933
/thread
>>73753638
The problem with that is that the purpose behind religion is to fuel work ethic, and that doesn't seem to be a very work-inducing religion, even if it just a joke.
>>73753714
>>73753800
Instructions unclear, got dick stuck in a ceiling fan
>>73754019
Learn to google retard
>>73753897
http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eight_I'd_Really_Rather_You_Didn'ts
I hope this works as a "proper" response to your post.
>>73753148
Backing this up as well
>>73752884
That picture is bullshit.
If there was ever truly nothing, then there would have been no rules, for rules are something.
Had there been no rules, then nothing would have been prohibited.
If nothing was prohibited then what's to stop something coming from nothing?
>>73752884
>retarded atheist strawman much?
Origin of the universe has nothing to do with Atheism.
"either you believe the specific god i worship created the universe or you believe nothing created it" Why are christfags such tards?
>>73753638
>LE FLYING SPAGETI MONSTER DANK MAYMAY
I honestly don't care if you want to be an atheist but could you please not unironically use the most fedora thing imaginable?
>>73754019
LMAO! You are so funny and random and clever and original!
How about its the belief that we don't know the answer to the creation of everything, unlike christ tards, and simply that the we assume what we observe and nothing beyond it. The earliest event we know was a rapid expansion of space resulting in what we can see, proven empirically. Science doesn't say "ITS THE BEGINING OF EVERYTHING", they simply don't know what was before it and don't pretend to. Why is /pol/ so polluted by the uneducated, honestly, fucking stone age logic.
>>73752884
Atheist friend, what do you think of this?
>>73755581
are you athiests this retarded clearly he is taking the piss out of both yet your atheist fedora tipping ass automatically turns on self defense tipping mode and says dumb shit like that
>>73752884
Some of the smartest people to ever live either believed in a creator or didn't denounce the fact that it is possible the universe was created by a higher power.
Religion was made to help explain to people that the universe was most likely created by said power by way of metaphor.
>>73753638
>Midgets are FSM's chosen people
Fuck this shit.
>>73752884
google fedora.
>>73757645
FSM is neckbeard/autist faggotry
>>73754263
That was the gayest shit I've ever read. How old are you that you find this stuff entertaining?
>>73757762
Christianity is autist faggotry as well
>>73756186
You are THIS triggered
>>73752884
>there's no scientific research or theories about what caused the big bang everyone just gave up at that point
>>73757220
So a god made the sandcastle?
The who made god?
Who is sandcastle?
Whas it a castle after all?
>>73752884
>zombie
Jesus was a lich.
god put fossils in the dirt to test our faith :^)
>>73752884
Convert to Hinduism.
Which means become Indian.
>>73757875
It's kinda like a WALL
>>73757812
more like the backbone of the entire western world
>>73752978
I used to consider myself agnostic but there is no true middle. You're going to lean one way or the other. Although I don't yet fully accept it as a whole I lean more towards Christianity
>>73752884
I'm not very religious but I defend Christian culture, it is one of the main building blocks of European civilisation, and the decline of Christianity and religiosity has given rise to degeneracy and moral degradation.
>>73753638
Pastafarianism is such a gay made up religion, if you don't really believe anything why not believe something cool like Discordianism or go in deep into the Occult. Either it's bullshit (99% chance) and you have a shit ton of fun or it's real and you get your own fucking demon or some shit.
>>73758016
I'd say it's the cancer of the western world, but ok
>>73752884
Stop trying to make sense and just believe.
>>73758053
fuck man without religion this world would be absolute fucking chaos,im not religious per se but it is pretty easy to see that without it wed be living in an amoral degenerate paradise devoid of any true meaning.
>>73758200
Pastafarianism and 21st century neopaganism are inherently degenerate.
>>73758241
>implying we aren't living in an amoral degenerate paradise devoid of any true meaning.
>>73758269
Thanks, eh
>>73752884
pic related
>>73752884
> pic related the post
>>73758246
>neopaganism
I'm not a furry anon, I'm talking about some aleister crowley shit
>>73758241
That's how I feel about it as well. All faith and whatnot aside the bible is a collection of stories that give really fucking good advice. Like thousands of years of human experiences and lessons condensed into a (somewhat) tedious novel. Hell there's even an entire portion dedicated to short little tips on how to live but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called
>>73752884
Just read your Bible. KJV only. Literally the ultimate redpill. Anyone that says otherwise hasn't read it.
Protip: Revelations says that Israel will be glassed, whilst referring to the jews as merchants.
>>73753638
Ahhahahaha but guys I'm a jedi xD
>>73758323
maybe from a nihilistic point of view, I'm not one for all the moping whining and pissing yourself that comes with that attitude. I believe that there is always hope and I will never admit defeat
>not dreaming of anarchy
It's time to try out Somalia
and for you to give me that tank of gasoline.
guys, god just spoke to me in my head and told me to kill my entire family
should i listen to god?
>>73758655
NRSV is objectively better you proddy scum
>>73758850
yeah start with yourself though
>>73758812
anarchy would be complete shit you faggot
>>73757460
>hes only pretending to be retarded
>fedora tipping
what a fucking faggot. Enjoy your Muslims you yellow toothed faggot.
>>73752933
Firstpostbestpost.
Who cares about christianity or hinduism. Fuck muzzies. That is all.
>>73758053
Leaning one direction or another is natural, leaf anon. Preferences exist ant that's fine because you will always have them. There will never be a true middle, but you can be in the middle zone.
>>73752884
See religion as philosophy and then consider which arouses more intellectual interest, the retarded neo-atheists who only basically hate something they don't understand, or genuine musings on the meaning and nature of life and existence.
>>73752933
fpbp
>>73753638
Was this copypasta written several years ago before people knew about meme warfare?
>>73758994
Of course it'll be complete shit. You're the faggot who isn't dreaming of making everyone miserable.
>>73757875
What if god made him by himself?
>>73752884
Slam your head into a wall 10-15 times. Make sure you find a stud too.
>>73752933
FPBP
>>73753072
this
>>73759128
>Japanese "Art"
>>73752982
This
guys i just saw jesus's face on my piece of toast
is this a sign our lord will return?
>>73758532
Proverbs
>>73758804
They're not mutually exclusive. You can still hold your own morals and excitement for living.
Just don't care what happens, that's what I do.
>>73752884
Learn magic by playing games.
>>73752933
This.
I don't give a fuck what you believe as long as it's not Islam.
I just started reading about Christianity and it's alright.
![5514ea6f98737c52f352e438eb793ab8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xPLuivO.jpg "5514ea6f98737c52f352e438eb793ab8[1]")
>>73752884
One Jew to rule the goyim, One Jew to blind them
One Jew to trick the goyim and to the darkskins bind them
>>73757220
>an organism that can mutate and is subject to natural selection over many successive generations
>a pile of sand
>these two things are the same
Theist logic
>He doesn't worship Kek
What's wrong with you?
>>73759280
fuck off Jew
>>73759032
>>73759032
Western culture is Christian. You secular utopia is never happening.
Read the works of Wolfgang Smith. Realize the Catholicism is the only true rational religion.
>>73759128
Your right I'm the one dreaming of making every non white not exist
>>73752884
>for no reason
But I thought it was because of gravity
>>73759280
go away kike
>>73753638
the 8 i'd rather you wouldn't sound like SJW propaganda.
Smoke a massive amount of weed and eat a shitload of magic mushrooms. If that don't do it, i don't know what will.
>>73752978
Please, apathetic master race
If there is a god, or not, who gives a shit. He's clearly not gonna turn up in your fucking shitty life since there's people better/worse than you literally everywhere. Therefore, whether it exists is irrelevant since it won't ever involve itself personally in your life.
Plus then you don't need to have any justification for having morals. It's literally "Fuck it, I'm doing my own thing forever and there's not a damn thing you can do about it"
>>73757220
can you prove that castle being in the most thermodynamically favored state? if not, then it isn't possible for it to happen and that is why you don't see sand castles magically forming
>>73759280
oyy vey
>>73757832
>thought-terminating cliche
Critical thinking isn't your strong suit, is it?
>>73759363
Nobody worships kek. Meme magic is just willpower manifest.
OP, I suggest you look into the evidence for miracles.
He's sent countless messengers. Fatima, Guadalupe, Shroud of Turin, stigmatas... God exists.
I suggest everyone watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYLy7CCgqDk
After that, look into the evidence for the Gospels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPG3eECaxw
>>73759610
>my little microcosm is more important than literally the reason for any and all things
You're not apathetic. You're just self absorbed.
>>73752933
God, I've got a friend who posts obnoxious "atheist" image macros on Facebook every fucking day, multiple times a day. It's always the same tired fucking anti-Christian rhetoric to.
But then he starts sucking Muslim cock every fucking chance he gets. Not a single cute little picture showing how Muslims are "dumb for believing in a God." So his petulant "atheism" is just anti-Christianism.
>>73752884
>/pol/, how do I un-atheist myself?
- consternate about the finality of death
- browse some quantum field theory until your dullard brain aches
- read some nihilist philosophy
- burn toast and shit in varied ways until you get a pareidolic image resembling Jesus in the bread / turd mound
- when shit goes bump in the night, imagine what ghost / ghoul / demon / angel it might be
- ...and if you're still vacillating about whether godtardism is for you, bash your head into the corner of a brick wall 6~12 times
>chenqui
>>73752978
Kill yourself. Please.
>>73759738
You're goddamn right. I'm apathetic about god, not myself.
>>73759864
>you should take care of your some every second and not let him/her live your life cus he can get hurt
>>73759864
Epicurus spent his life trying to find the secret of happiness, and two of his answers were "fuck religion" and "fuck marriage".
Man's a genius.
>>73760122
That explains why NEETS like him, but it doesn't do much good for society.
>>73758885
>no different than historical revisionists
not one jot or tittle, son.
>>73752884
>Atheism the belief that there was nothing
no.
the big bang theory was thought up by a catholic priest.
atheists believe the universe has always existed.
>>73760184
How is that bad for society?
>>73760268
Read your Glubb. Decline of marriage and religion leads to social rot.
>>73760122
>fuck religion
>fuck marriage
given the emerging realisation of today, sounds like he was millennia before his time
>>73760184
His secrets were to move into a house with all your friends, stop trying to pursue the "perfect marriage", eschew luxuries, and engage in work and intellectual pursuits that you find fulfilling.
Nothing wrong with these things. If you can avoid the pitfalls of depression, you can accomplish a lot with your life.
>>73760361
Sho' nuff.
>>73760361
>realization
Literally both of those ideas are pushed by the media and the globalists to make people more docile.
>>73760319
>He fell for the marriage meme
Good goyim
>>73759864
>Is he able, but not willing?
>Then he is malevolent.
Non-sequitur.
>>73758016
Horse shit. Capitalism and trade made the colonies, not some invisible spirit living in the hearts of all the various nations settling.
The truth is that religion has no intrinsic place in a modern individualist society, and if you DO value your western values and individualism, along side your national values and your community and culture, you will wind up re-packaging whatever religion it is you're trying to 'sell' to be catered to the 'individual' needs of the consumer.
You'll turn your religion into a product you can sell, where the content is not as important as the spectacle (and of course the cashflow, pay the priest, silly goym).
What? You don't think its happening? Its happening. Its already happened.
Watch your local churches closely, and see how they will cater to political winds of change, and if the pc culture is especially right or left wing, they WILL reflect it.
A 'modern' religion, catered for YOU!
Get with the times you crazy, foreign cultures want in and your church will invite them.
>>73760420
Sounds like a communist, or a weaker version of Christian monasticism.
>>73760437
The Jews have been trying to destroy marriage for decades. Where have you been?
>>73758237
And thats the sad truth.
Sorry, but Feminism and Religion? Yeah.
Fuck your authoritarian bullshit.
"Listen and believe" muhdick
>>73759371
>>73759467
>>73759629
yeah that's kind of what i was getting at nigger(s)
>>73760467
>It's all about trade, goyim
Spoken like a true kike. Religion is the only thing that can save society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0G-Mabwt3g
>>73760459
>i dont know what the word malevolent means: the post
>>73752884
UGH THIS MEME AGAIN
POL IS A
RED
PILLED
BOARD
JESUS WAS NOT A JEW!
Do your research. I repeat, jesus was not a jew!
>>73760589
You'll grow out of libertarianism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6VcWSWymD0
>>73760524
Funny you should mention those things.
Both Christians and Marx bastardized Epicurus, first by taking the large built homes that Epicureans had built and converted them into monasteries, then by Marx trying to stretch the fabric of Epicurus across all of society, when it was meant for just individual households... ones built on mutual trust, amiability, and intellectual pursuits.
Marxism is the act of building a house meant for millions, then filling it with complete strangers instead of friends.
>>73757855
Why can't the big bang be the result of a collapse of the universe? Ours is slowing down right now, and it will be heading for a collapse too. Matter is never created or destroyed, so it would have always existed.
>>73760467
That is some serious bullshit , borderline schizophrenic
>>73760704
>JESUS WAS NOT A JEW!
he calls himself a jew, his parents were jewish, he was raised jewish.
its in your own bible
>>73758469
Thats fucking retarded, and demonstrably false.
Atheism is a rejection of the theist claims that have absolutely no demonstrable truth,
you're basically dressing agnosticism up as a disguised, lapsed form of (default religion, in this case likely christianity) because you're implying that there is some element of believability, and you don't know.
Agnosticism is on the topic of knowledge.
Atheism is on the topic of faith/belief.
You can be both unaware, and have a position. Look at the christians that say, quite honestly that nothing supernatural or defying explanation has happened to them to justify their belief, but they don't know, so they choose to say they believe.
We can't know if they're being honest or just playing along, of course.
>>73760731
>first by taking the large built homes that Epicureans had built and converted them into monasteries
Sounds like they were taking it to it's logical conclusion.
>>73757220
Next atheists will tell you beaches are the product of random erosion.
>>73760913
fuking madmen
>>73759431
You are aware that catholicism was responsible for more deaths than any religion in this earth. The Popes and the priests lied to its people for nearly a thousand years. You would have to pay to go to an imaginary eternal blissful destination. They slaughtered anybody who opposed of them even scientists. People are so ignorant to know its own religious history. There is no right religion because religion is essentially philosophy. A way to explain things that were known at the time to uneducated peasants. It's ironic because they killed those who thought new ideas about reality which didn't reflect their religion. Religion is a joke. Expect for maybe some of eastern philosophy.
>>73760888
I guess... if you think filling it with sexually-frustrated virgins instead of accomplished, free thinking people as "logical".
>>73758850
read the bible and the part where god tested isaac to kill his son. god would never do this you got tricked by satan
>>73752884
that description isn't atheism though
>>73760704
Damn, Anon. Your retardation runs real deep.
>>73758850
solid advice
>>73758921
>>73761066
no isaac was a test run, this is the real thing
>>73761066
>tested isaac to kill his son. god would never do this
Why the fuck not?
>>73760970
>You are aware that catholicism was responsible for more deaths than any religion in this earth. The Popes and the priests lied to its people for nearly a thousand years.
[citation needed]
>You would have to pay to go to an imaginary eternal blissful destination
And that money benefitted the community as a whole. The Church was the primary source of charity and community life.
>They slaughtered anybody who opposed of them even scientists
Nobody was ever persecuted by the church for teaching "science". The scientific method is a Catholic invention.
>People are so ignorant to know its own religious history.
The masses are always ignorant. The point is that Catholicism preserved the west.
> There is no right religion because religion is essentially philosophy. A way to explain things that were known at the time to uneducated peasants. It's ironic because they killed those who thought new ideas about reality which didn't reflect their religion.
Christianity has always made verifiable claims, and again, no scientists were ever killed by the church for teaching science.
>Religion is a joke. Expect for maybe some of eastern philosophy.
Why do you fedora cunts always act like reading a fortune cookie makes you an expert in Buddhism or Confucianism?
>>73760977
Monks were accomplished, and did more for progress that "free-thinkers" ever did.
>>73761203
no isaac was a test run, this is the real thing
How can that be if you have a bible full of gods work and not one person had to kill his family, surely you are very special then , even more special then his own son jesus christ ? or you just crazy. That is exactly why this story of isaac is in the bible to know god and he would never let you kill your own child
>>73760654
You will not fucking admit when you're in the wrong, will you?
Thats what fucking religion is, dammit,
its some fucking four year old inventing an imaginary friend, and instead of making them feel like an idiot, others instead widen their eyes and say 'really!? Wow, that has some profound implications' and accept the fiction as truth.
If religion is the only thing that can save society, go fuck off to a muslim country.
Seriously. Theres your religion for you.
No, Ill bite the bait. Ill get mad.
You're not making an argument, you're just being shit.
Calling me a jew doesn't actually detract from the fact that it was trade and economic opportunity, not religion that shaped the Empire, Protestantism is about as liberal and individualist as religion gets.
You can't have consumerism without individualism. Ergo, consumerism may have been the cause for protestant separatism.
Market forces > magic invisible spirits, and a bunch of people believing impossible nonsense for no good reason.
Get wrekt, you're making canada look stupid.
>>73761528
>>73761528
>Monks were accomplished, and did more for progress that "free-thinkers" ever did.
Yeah, because the Greeks never accomplished anything, and medieval Europe was a scientific paradise, right?
lol
>>73761142
>A Jew is an ethnic Jew who has rejected Christ. An ethnic Jew who has accepted Christ is not a Jew. Ethnicity is the necessary but not sufficient condition for being a Jew. The sufficient condition is rejection of Christ. This was ratified by the Israeli Supreme Court when they denied Oswald Rufeisen citizenship because he had been baptized a Catholic. From a more religious perspective I note in the book the words of Jewish scholar Jacob Neusner: “While not all Jews practice Judaism [it is] the iron-clad consensus among contemporary Jews, Jews who practice Christianity cease to be part of the ethnic Jewish community, while those who practice Buddhism remain within.”
http://www.culturewars.com/2008/JRSInterview.htm
>>73761668
Most Greeks weren't "free-thinkers" in the modern sense. "Free thought" is actually a medieval, Catholic concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Gedanken_sind_frei
Science made considerable progress in the middle ages.
http://jameshannam.com/medievalscience.htm
>>73761557
Liberalism and market forces were tools of Jewish subversion.
http://jettandjahn.com/2013/07/dr-e-michael-jones-explain-barren-metal/
>>73760805
>>73761142
He wasn't even ethnically Jewish, he was Levantine.
>>73761678
>implying I'm an atheist
>>73760970
>>73762007
>Implying i care
>>73761906
No shit. Guess what, buddy, I consider the Jews to be religious too. And that makes your personal persecution beef with them more of a sectarian dispute between abrahamic religions, on tier with the Shi'ites vs the Sunnis.
Point is that it was the market forces doing it, not religion.
>>73761823
>cites a Christfag author's book
>as if one book overturns every other source of information we have
Nice try, zog. Next you're going to tell me that because Newton was a Christian, we would have no knowledge of gravity without Christianity.
And then the jews won the war
>>73757875
God always was. You cannot prove me wrong.
Christians: 777
Atheists: -666
>>73762007
No, you're an agnostic who picked up some Buddhism to pretend to be deep.
>>73760459
- Drumof is able to give his wealth to the poor to make many of them live far more happily
- he does not, rather brags about his wealth hoarding and bon vivant lifestyle (...that many of those poor may well have helped to give him)
>Drumpf is malevolent
>>73759131
You mean like the big bang?
>>73759738
On a relative scale, you're technically wrong.
>>73760430
if everyone was 'docile', there'd be no inequality nor conflict and all could work together towards the greater good of the species, not just their own tribe
brood on that
>>73762119
>If I ignore significant differences between religion, I can pretend all religions are the same.
Jews think ethnically, not religiously. Religion was the main drive behind the New World. The Conquistadors wanted to conquer new lands for Catholic Spain.
>>73762143
Allah always was. You cannot prove me wrong. Now get on the prayer mat and find Mecca, before you have to start sipping boiling water, Kufr.
Christfags: -∞
Everyone else: 0
>>73762130
>discard's expert historian because you disagree with him.
Alright, he's an atheist who came to the same conclusion.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-science-make-little-real-progress-in-Europe-in-the-Middle-Ages-3/answer/Tim-ONeill-1?share=1
>>73762314
>no inequality
>implying that's a good thing
Inequality and a proper social hierarchy are necessary.
>>73762184
-Bitches are able to just smile and blow me
-Bitches do not smile and blow me, rather they act like selfish little girls with dysfunctional cunts
>Bitches are malevolent
>>73762374
>You cannot prove me wrong.
agrumentum ex silentio
>>73762380
Nope. I reject the notion that Christianity is, in any way, responsible for the advances of the Middle Ages (whatever they may have been), and I also reject the idea that the Christian nations of Europe surpassed the Greeks in their advancement of knowledge.
Christianity is really nothing special, to be honest. We've given it far more credit than it deserves.
>>73762519
This:
>>73762374
Was a response to this:
>>73762143
>>73762433
necessary for what?... conflict?
...and conflict is necessary for... let me guess -- competition?... ergo, progression?
I did not see NASA 'fighting' in order to probe Pluto... only for funding... which in itself causes conflict instead of the cohesion required for progression.
>self-debunking argument
>>73762643
>. I reject the notion that Christianity is, in any way, responsible for the advances of the Middle Ages (whatever they may have been), and I also reject the idea that the Christian nations of Europe surpassed the Greeks in their advancement of knowledge.
Then you're blatantly ignoring the evidence because it contradicts your per-determined conclusions.
>>73762715
>If I make presumptions declarations about someone else's arguments, I can win every time.
Order needs a hierarchy.
>>73752978
>less pretentious
I kek'd
>>73762519
The Bible is made up of many historically verifiable documents. Spider-Man is never presented as anything besides a fictional character.
>he worships jesus
>he doesn't worship the correct jesus
whats the point even
>>73762643
who would have found america , there is no chrrstfag so muhamats people took over europe, and we all know how good sand people are with science
>>73752884
By becoming an Apatheist.
>if a deity or deities truly wanted people to believe in them, then said deity or deities could demonstrate their existence with miracles, and explain their plan(s) for humanity or the lack thereof. Being all-powerful, if they truly wanted humans to believe, they could send a divine sign not left up to interpretation.
>Since they do not seem to care if humans believe or not, apatheists will not care until they show them a reason to, and perhaps not even if such an event occurred.
>>73762762
Where is this evidence? Geez, I don't see it...
I'm not being given evidence. All I'm getting is a few accomplishments supposedly attributable solely to medieval Europeans, with nothing given to suggest that Christian monks were more valuable than the Athenians.
>>73762864
Where's this evidence of a Jew causing the Red Sea to split long enough to let a colony of Jews to walk through?
Fucking Atheists always ruin everything.
They fear God more then anything else.
>>73762871
Europe and Christianity are not synonymous. If the Carpenter Jew never came into being, the people of Europe would've believed in something else.
>>73752884
>/pol/, how do I un-atheist myself?
I'd rather work on your willpower. Weak willpower is the sole reason not be an atheist for common man.
>>73762864
Spiderman has been to many real places, met many real people and taken part in many real world events.
Clearly he was actually there for all of those. It's int he books after all.
>>73762864
do you realize how much shit people made up back in the day
you realize we KNOW ancient people were giant liars and fabricated stories because they could not explain natural events properly
holy shit do christfags even into history, like even a little bit?
you think the romans never lied in their accounts? You better go re-read some books.
>>73762922
>Where is this evidence?
Read the thread, nigger.
>>73759723
>>73762965
Go feed your baby to a dingo.
>>73762997
The people of Europe would have remained Barbarians without Christianity.
>>73763087
>The people of Europe would have remained Barbarians without Christianity.
Thanks for insight mister alternate timeline traveler.
>>73762997
>there is no christfag so muhamats people took over europe
>the people of Europe would've believed in something else.
Did you even read retard?
>>73752884
All this wierd Christian things are symbols for primordial thigs, like 9 is a symbol of III III III things. Why this strange shape for that?
G*d said in the beginning "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."
If you are atheist literally there is no reason to have those pesky kids who may look good on paper but in fact are little devils consuming your time leeching on your money etc. No rational being would like to do that.
But beware: atheist can be scums, Christians can be scums, etc
Also friendly remainder: Soviet Russia was officially atheist.
>>73762864
much input + much re-writes and redress (by those with agenda) ≠ habeas corpus ad subjiciendum
>no holy homie = your beliefs are phony baloney
>>73763012
We know for a fact that Spider-Man never guest-starred on SNL with John Belushi.
>>73763052
The Gospels have been verified constantly by historians, and do not show the exaggerations common with ancient legends.
>>73760789
>it always existed
You mean like God? Why then is God such a difficult concept to accept? Because you fear the thought of an authority who is larger than you and can do anything, and all you can do is observe the chain reactions? Reality is hard to accept. Get red-pilled, my friend
>>73763222
We have thousands of New Testament manuscripts that show no distortion whatsoever.
>>73752884
with memes
>>73763069
takbeer!
>>73763058
>putting the Shroud of Turin up as evidence of Christianity
Hey, I found this cloth with image of a bearded guy! Clearly he had superpowers and he was spit out of a virgin's vagina~
Christfag logic...
>>73763087
Nope. Without Christianity, the Roman Empire wouldn't have fallen to the dildoes of Jewish slave-morality.
I know you're desperate to justify your own stupid beliefs, but come on... try harder.
>>73763224
lmfao but thats literally not true at all, like in no way shape or form
>>73763224
>We know for a fact that Spider-Man never guest-starred on SNL with John Belushi.
Now imagine that comic was written 2000 years ago and instead said spiderman parted the red sea.
What would your evidence against it be then?
>>73763310
Meh, pull the wombat out of your ass and try harder, kike.
>>73763295
>thousands of chinese whispered fables and supersitions from times of witches, werewolves and water-walkers
>>73763454
>believe what media tell you, they know the truth
>>73763224
> and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.
so a dude was baptized, and then killed, lmfao literally thats it
thats it, thats L I T E R A L L Y it
how do you verify bullshit written by liars and idiots, and copied through history ad infinitum
"oh becuase we copied this older manuscript, it means its real!"
no, there is literally no evidence for any of it, and you people are batshit fucking insane
>>73763314
Turin is more than an image. Recent tests showed that it couldn't have been a forgery. The image marks are thinner than human hair.
Do you fags ever read?
>>73763314
The Roman Empire lasted until the Fall of Byzantium as a Christian empire. Christianity is what spread Roman ideals to the Barbarian tribes and turned them into the Kings of Europe.
>>73763338
It is, you illiterate cunt.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/establishing-the-gospels-reliability
>>73763454
You have no idea how oral cultures work, do you?
>>73763453
fret not, for by and by those "seals" will indeed be poured out and wormwood rained, all over your Sodom and Gomorrah of selfishness and greed... as was written in your precious scriptures
>MAKE AMERICA GEKKO AGAIN
>>73763581
Missed one, chief.
>>73763375
>>73763581
>reasonablefaith.org
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
oh god you christfags are so fucking delusional
ahahahahhahahaahahhahahaha
>>73752982
Cocaine will also do the trick
> Elements whose historical authenticity is disputed include the two accounts of the Nativity of Jesus, the miraculous events including the resurrection, and certain details about the crucifixion.[16][17][18][19][20][21]
oh looks like you people ARE batshit fucking insane
huh imagine that huh
>>73752884
Being an atheist is retarded. I understand not believing chuch shit(like me), but just denying a higher existance is stupid, it's like if an ant denies the existance of humans. Also, there is more definitive proof of existance of the historical figure known as Jesus Christ than there is of him not existing.
Also, even if you don't believe in God, not supporting the church is a terrible option, the church is responsible for western civilization as we know it and it is also responsible for keeping Europe safe for 14 centuries.
The first time I stopped believing in God was when I saw the news which said that a bunch of innocent kids in some shithole country got killed for no reason. Then I found out about cancer and stuff. As I grew, I started learning shit and then I learned about dna, the existance of life and shit like that and I realized, there has to be a higher existance who created all this shit. Let's take the whole virgin Mary thing for an example. Atheists before thought that was a fucking joke, how can a virgin get pregnant? Now we know it's possible through in-vitro. Next thing we develop dna and create a creature of our design. Imagine we create life in a lab, which is probably going to happen, imagine we make synthetic wombs. Now imagine there is a being of higher existance that is eternal and can't reproduce, but he can manipulate atoms. We all know chaos does not create order, we know that a wave that constantly hits a rock would not sculpt a face in the rock.
>>73763559
>handjob of god
>>73763581
christfag here the bible disproves the shroud of turin being the cloth of jesus, because jesus had a head cloth also
>>73763576
>Cites no one.
By the standards of ancient documentation, the Gospels are historically reliable, as have been verified by Archaeologists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtL8hCrvctc
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
>>73763680
And atheists are allergic to reading or proper argumentation.
>>73763830\
Still waiting, faggo
>>73763375
>>73752884
Fallacy of the false dichotomy.
>>73757220
autism, plain and simple
>>73763830
>the Gospels are historically reliable
let me just take a closer look at your claims...
>HUR DUR MUH 1000 YEAR OLD FAIRY TAILS ARE REAL HERE CHECK OUT THIS SOURSE
>a youtube video made by a literal who
>reasonablefaith.org
>carm.com
k bud you have literally no power of deduction in your fucking brain, you believe word for word what people tell you without question
good luck in life
>>73763791
Look up the "veil of veronica".
>>73763338
So your telling me that 4 writers, got together and tried to invent a religion-wait, piggy-back off another religion, risk their lives, literally, to tell about the religion. -invent sermons but then screw up on certain details so that they APPEAR as if they are contradictory and then finally include a cast of characters including three disciples named judas(guess they ran out of ideas for names) another disciple and also a brother of Jesus, both named James, virtual every woman all named Mary except one, and THEN forgot to include the main resurrection story in full in two of the books? Oh, and one of them decided to write under the guise a historian (Luke)? All so that they would be persecuted and burned alive just because they wanted to spread a false religion for the lulz? Gospels are verified, buddy. Everyone can concede that at the very least people believed what was written in them when they were written.
Most scholars deny its validity based solely off of two things: 1:time when they were supposedly written (50-150 years after Jesus' death) and 2: "durr resurrection and miracles are impossible"
>>73763937
maybe you could have created your spiderman religion
there are people who believe in scientology
>>73763680
All those ahahahahHaha' s
Embarrassing. Truly.
>>73764101
you should do some real historical research of your own
the ancient people were horrendous liars and idiots
>>73759312
>correlation and coincidence
>the only evidence for common descent
cum hoc fallacy; if you wouldn't use 'correlation implies causation' as an argument, why would you use it for evidence of non-empirical, unobservable, unique, historical events?
If you reject Materialism as a philosophy, there's no reason to accept materialistic origins.
>>73758241
i think religion just drives degeneracy underground, and makes it more dangerous as degenerate hide their predilections and get into positions of power. Far better to allow those degenerates to expose themselves and then be tacitly ignored for all important decisions.
>>73763576
Also, trusted historian Josephus said he was known to do miracles, but he didn't believe the validity of them
>>73763985
>BUT MY SCIENCEEE, THERE'S THE SHIT
>>73764152
>uses reasonablefaith.org as a source
have you ever been to college or worked in a professional setting?
>>73763937
I'd ask what the corroborating evidence was, and how reliable the Spider-Man narrative is given what was known about society at the time.
>>73763985
>you believe word for word what people tell you without question
Why doesn't he believe the words of atheists then?
>>73763375
>evidence
>religion
to acknowledge this glaring inconsistency would require a logical mind-set, which must be prefaced by the faculties of rational and reason -- both traits that must be abandoned at St. Peter's gates to pedo paradise, as a prerequisite of entry
>>73763985
>>73764207
>Bitches about sources
>doesn't give opposing sources.
>>73764093
John 20:7
hen cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, 7And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. 8Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. 9For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
>>73764328
Go get raped by emus.
>>73760263
>Universe always existed
Iesu, and existence is here because it is here.
>>73764300
Both of which have been done with the story of Moses and both of which have been met with a shrug.
Go ahead and try to provide hard, objective evidence for it in your next post. There's probably just as much evidence that spider man did it.
>>73764194
how are your holy iphony and porn-filled computer holding up there, Pascal?
>>73764312
>athiest
no youre right, throw science and reason out the window
god put dinosaur bones here 5000 years ago to test our faith :)
>>73764348
> This practice is reported in both the Mishna (o. Sabb. 23.5) and the Code of Jewish Law in a section entitled "Laws of Mourning," which is a record of early Jewish burial practices.9 More important for the evangelical is that the gospels affirm the same. In John 11:44 the napkin is said to have been placed "around" the head (perideö). John 20:7 further explains that this cloth was "wrapped" or "rolled" up (entylissö) .10 The combination of being wrapped up and of being placed around the head clearly supports the position of the napkin explicitly taught in both the Mishna and the Code of Jewish Law. Interestingly enough, the man buried in the shroud also had just such a cloth tied around his jaw.11 Not only is there no contradication [sic] here but we find, rather, an unexpected verification of the method depicted on the shroud.
http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/J_Evangelical_Theological_Soc/Habermas_JETS_Shroud-of-Turin-and-significance.htm
>>73764167
>aincent people were stupid, were argument is invalid!
>Flat-out denying all recorded history.
Wow, no wonder many atheists have become sjws and left /pol/. You guys anti-Christian philosophy is built on absolute denial.
>>73759377
Western culture is a lot older than Christianity.
>>73764447
same as yours i suppose?
>>73764436
There is nothing in the story of the Exodus that contradicts what is known about Egypt at the time. Historians have just as mush evidence for other events and still believe them.
>>73764529
"The West" as a common culture didn't exist until Christianity.
>>73764495
>Someone finally said it
>>73764152
That has no bearing on what I posted. Just calm down on the ahahahahahaha' s, a simple lel would've sufficed. Don't make yourself look like a 15 year old retard
>>73764712
>There is nothing in the story of the Exodus that contradicts what is known about Egypt at the time.
Except the guy using magic to split a huge body of water with absolutely no environmental evidence from the tsunamis that would have resulted.
>>73762140
so you guys readily acknowledge higher jewish IQ's and yet you fail to see the connection that maybe these ex-jews may be able to see through the fog of bullshit easier
>>73764803
Why do you assume there were Tsunamis?
>>73763680
Nice refutation to his arguments amerifat.
>>73757967
Don't you fucking see? The scientists just make shit up in order to turn us away from God and become Godless heathens to which Satan can take away our souls
>>73764842
Because shifting several billion gallons of water tends to do that.
>>73764485
>veil of veronica
thanks i might look into it some more
>>73764495
most of "recorded history" is fucking fragmented and pieced together with interpretation from people
you should take a college level history class.
hell humans only started taking REALLY good records like 100-200 years ago max, beyond that is literally "some scattered fragments of a book or scroll we found"
besides, human culture doesnt start with fucking jew faggot religion, hell, chinese culture is 8000 years old, how do you explain that?
THE OLDEST RELIGION IS HINDUISM AND BUDDHISM
like are you people mentally fucking braindead?
get BTFO go do some research, and put down your brainwashing manual aka the bible
>>73762145
WOW you know everything don't you? Fucking retard, I love that you've never met this person and yet you feel capable of telling them exactly why a certain philosophy resonates with them. You're either and edgelord atheist or an edgelord christian neither of whom can handle the fact that their religion of choice is second rate despite their popularity. Relatively unfounded assertions are fun!
>>73764994
Triggered?
>>73764987
>my scattered fragments of a books are the right ones
>>73764904
Do you even know what a tsunami is?
>>73763058
except that even priests acknowledge that stigmata is overblown and the various cases are fraught with inconsistencies, for instance, we now know that Jesus was pierced through the ankles and wrists, yet most people manifest these symptoms on their hands and feet. The side which was supposed to be pierced by the lance is not uniform, some presenting on the left or the right side of the torso, you'd think an all knowing god could get his symptoms straight.
>>73765121
my point is that history is pretty much left to the people who find and interpret it, which could be wildly fucking variable.
>>73765136
Do you?
Semantics aside, shifting that much water would cause massive waves that would devastate the sea floor, the coasts and the ecosystems all around the area in general.
>>73764480
he could it seems more likely that dragon/dinosaurs lived at the same time as man
>>73765237
You don't know where the crossing was, or how much water was even dispersed.
>>73765242
>he could it seems more likely that dragon/dinosaurs lived at the same time as man
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
WHAT IS RADIO-ISOTOPE DATING
are you people REALLY THIS FUCKING BRAINDEAD?
>>73765208
>ignore all the other miracles
>focus on stigmata, the least important one.
>>73765337
How much doe sit take for you to just admit you don't fucking know anything about this?
At what point do you just say "it's my religion so I never really questioned it"?
I'm not going to sit here for hours pushing you further and further back until you hit a wall.
Learn to ask yourself these questions and not be just a fucking lemming.
Just follow the one true path, the path of the first alphas, the one path before Christianity came and fucked everything up. Look at us now, cucked beyond belief thanks to Christianity..
May Odin grant us wisdom
>>73763750
don't lump the anglo-saxon legal tradition in christian horseshit. Nordic semi-democracy and rule of law predates christianity
>tfw hinduism pre-dates christianity by at least 1500 years
so hinduism is the correct religion right?
>>73763985
hold on, he believes what other people who agree with him believes, without question, it's a fucking feedback loop
>>73765534
Thor was a transvestite and Pagans were weak bitches.
>>73765350
hahahaha he thinks that a all powerfull god would show him self in science when its all about faith
how fucking brain dead are you?
god bless dinosaur bones so you can root out the people we dont want in heaven , god bless
>>73764101
or one guy (constantine) got 4 writers in a room and told them to make it good
>>73765466
What questions have you asked besides self-flattering rhetorical ones that reveal you know little about the events you're criticizing?
>>73765637
>reasonablefaith.org
>carm.com
>a random fucking youtube video
its ok i know for a fact you have literally never been to college.
>>73765680
Constantine lives centuries after the gospels.
>>73765697
>muh credentials
Fucking nigger.
why wont any of you respond to my fact that chinese culture is 8000 years old
or that hinduism is 1500 years older than christianity
have i won?
what are you scared of
>>73765547
>>73765767
And what evidence is there that either of them are true?
>>73765685
"why do you assume there would be tsunamis" shows an unfathomable amount of ignorance and a complete lack of previous thought about this.
If I told a fucking toddler that I was going to move an entire fucking sea their first questions would be "what about the fish?" and "what about the waves?"
The fact that these questions weren't obvious to you shows a blind faith that only the most indoctrinated and pathetic people have.
You have dulled your senses and though processes to the point where you are literally dumber than a child just so you can indulge your delusion.
go for paganism, most religions started that way!
>>73752884
>Atheism
>the belief of nothing
Just because we don't have a concrete understanding about how the universe was created doesn't mean we won't ever find out.
Though frankly 'A bearded man made it a few thousand years ago.' is hilariously unbelievable.
>>73765767
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China
muh china >>73763428
>>73764712
or the fact that during Ramses II's reign there is no evidence of an exodus, nor of the inevitable economic upheaval that the loss of an entire indentured workforce would create. other than of a handful of Hyksos monks dipping around then, there's nothing. I fond it far more likely that the exodus story is the typical cultural myth told by most peoples in some form or another to justify the rape and destruction of neighbouring cultures (Canaanites etc) in the formation of the Jewish Identity
>>73765642
How were pagans weak?
And the Trans myth is a little funny desu.
"Thor protested, saying that this was a dishonorable and unmanly thing to do"
>>73765547
this actually is correct, if you follow the core of the vedas, upanishads, and gita
look up Schrodinger's views for a good western perspective
>>73765903
Moses only needed fo move a column of water in a very shallow sea.
>>73760805
jesus was not a jew. his parents were not jewish. do your research and stop paroting what little knowledge you have on the bible. Early translations, the word jew wasn;t even in the bible.
and jesus called the "so called "jews" children of satan
>>73765933
Why do you assume Ramses was the Pharaoh, or that Egyptian historians would record an embarrassing event?
>>73765939
>thinks christians are cucks
>christians annihilated all the pagans
>How were pagans weak?
>How are you stupid?
>>73765093
not really, I just think your unfounded arrogance was amusing. The only people I know who get that butthurt about westerners looking outside of the western sphere for spiritual growth are christfags.
>>73766037
Still a fucking massive amount of water that would leave en enormous ecological imprint.
There is no evidence for your claims anywhere but the bible and that's not even "evidence"
>>73765370
ignore that your miracle has been disproved, "b-b-but look at all the other ones you didn't talk about"
>>73765767
christfags roots lies in judaism and judaism has his roots in to something else, and so on
>>73752978
>agnostic
>less pretentious
pick one
>>73765697
Dude, you're replying to the wrong leafbro. I have been to college and I was just as flabbergasted by his choice of references as you
>>73761142
OK DUMBFUCKS
>Jesus was an Israelite. He was a direct descendant of Levi through Aaron.1 Levi was a son of Jacob. Jacob was named Israel by God.2 Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David. Judah was also a son of Jacob.3 Jacob’s sons were the first Israelites. Jesus was specifically an Israelite because he was a direct descendant of two of the sons of Jacob/Israel.4
Why then, does everyone say that Jesus was a Jew? Most people think that Jesus was a Jew, but Jesus was an Israelite, not a Jew. Israelites were the ones who were called the chosen people of God.5 Edomites, and their descendants, now called Jews, are not the chosen people. The fact that modern day Jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies, or misunderstandings, in all of history.
It would be virtually impossible to find a book written about Jesus that doesn’t describe him as a Jew. Are they all calling him a Jew because they think he was a Jew by religion? Are they all calling him a Jew because they think he was a Jew by ancestry? A person can be a Jew by religion while not being a Jew by ancestry, and a person can be a Jew by ancestry while not being a Jew by religion. Just what are the facts concerning the religion and ancestry of Jesus?
First, was Jesus a Jew as far as his religion was concerned? No, his religion was Hebrewism; or, as we now call it, the Religion of the Old Testament. That religion was the religion of the Hebrews and the Israelites, and was based on the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. Stephen S. Wise, a former chief rabbi of the United States, said:
“The return from Babylon [following the Captivity, about 538 B.C.], and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism.
>>73764987
America was never founded then, as 1776 was more than two hundred years ago. See, this is just the cycle of Internet intelligence. Christians have well thought out reasons for being a Christian which then become unpopular once people forget why they were Christian in the first place. Then athiests have well thought out arguments for their ideology which they then abandon when they realize the only reason they had their ideology in the first place was because the Christian forgot why he believed his religion. And thus the cycle repeats. We see this with many things, such as right/left politics. Your just furthering the cycle buddy, Christianity is on the rise again because of absolute idiots like you. Get red-pilled, my friend.
>>73766288
>Jesus criticized the Jews, or Pharisees, for establishing Judaism which is based on the Talmud,7 and which at the time of Jesus was still called the Tradition of the Elders.8
When the people returned from Babylon, about 538 B.C., after the Babylonian Captivity, they brought back a different religion than the one practiced just fifty years earlier. The new religion was the Tradition of the Elders (or Judaism), and that religion was based on the teachings of the rabbis rather than the laws of God.
“Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?”9
>>73766285
And none of you fags have bothered giving references for your shit.
>>73766312
>For many years after the return from the Babylonian Captivity, even at the time of Jesus, the remaining Israelites still went to the Temple and participated in the religious activities there. Those Israelites had nowhere else to go, but they tried to hold on to Hebrewism, the religion of their ancestors, even though that religion had been largely eliminated by the rabbis.
Professor Georg Hermann Schnedermann (1852-1917) of the University of Leipzig, a Lutheran theologian, made his point eloquently when he wrote about the two groups at the time of Jesus with different religions and ethnicities.
He distinguished “between the ‘Israelite’ and ‘Jewish’ elements in the intellectual atmosphere in which Jesus grew up: though Judaism reigned in the schools of the scribes and held the field to outward appearance, yet an ‘Israelite’ strain of piety and conviction prevailed in a certain section of religious society. Those who walked in the green pastures and beside the still waters of this faith of the heart were in touch with the Prophets and understood all that is deepest in the Old Testament.”11
Many of the people hoped that a leader would emerge who would turn back the clock and allow them to have the religion of God that had disappeared.12 A mission of Jesus was to give back to the Israelites the religion that had been stolen from them. Definitely, Jesus was not a Jew by religion.
>>73766179
A relatively small amount of water dispersed over a small area for a short amount of time wouldn't.
>>73766200
It hasn't ven been disproved. You just said claims were overblown for one type of miracle.
>>73766340
>Second, was Jesus a Jew by ancestry? Jews were not Israelites as they were not descended from Jacob. They were descended from Esau, the brother of Jacob. While both were grandsons of Abraham and sons of Isaac, Jacob was favored by God.13 Esau’s descendants were called Edomites,14 and later they were called Jews since many of them were then living in Judea because the Edomites had been captured by John Hyrcanus and forced to convert to the religion then in place in Judea. Jesus stated in Matthew, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”15 When Jesus sent his disciples out to spread his message he told them, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”16 The Jews were not a part of the sheep of the house of Israel that Jesus talked about. Note that it is not the fact that the Jews did not believe in the message of Jesus that made them not of his sheep. Jesus knew that it was because they were not of his sheep that they did not believe in his message.
“But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”17
Therefore, Jesus in his own words gave us proof that the Jews were not of his sheep, the house of Israel. They were not Israelites. Jesus knew that they didn’t have the same religion or ancestry that he had.
Jacob kept his line pure and God rewarded him by making him the father of God’s “chosen people.”18 Note that the Jews are not the “chosen people” even though they say that they are. Jacob’s brother Esau married out of his own people and God punished him. His descendants moved to the Mount Seir area southeast of the Dead Sea. His descendants were called Edomites.19
>>73765208
Let's not get distracted by Roman Catholic apocryphal faggotry okay? Christianity is much more than the political organization that is Catholicism. I don't care what the Catholic Church teaches.
>>73766421
>They were the ancestors of the people known today as Jews.20 Later the Edomites moved into the areas vacated by the Israelites during the Captivity. Many years after that when John Hyrcanus, one of the Macabean kings, conquered the Edomites and then offered them full citizenship if they would adopt the religion then in place in Judea, this brought most of the Edomites into Judea and into the religion later known as Judaism.
“As far as authentic history will carry us, the descendants of the Edomites are to be sought for rather amongst the Jews themselves, than amongst any other people ….”21
The Edomite Jews claimed they were from Abraham, which they were, being descended from Esau, a son of Isaac. But a passage in John proves that the Jews were not Israelites since they told Jesus that they had never been in bondage.22 Of course, the Israelites had been held as slaves in Egypt.23 Those were Edomite Jews to whom Jesus was speaking.
The Jews at the time of Jesus were not a part of any tribe of Israel, including the Tribe of Judah. They were a mixture of Babylonians, Cannanites, Hittites, but mainly Edomites. The Jews of today are the descendants of those people.24 Jesus was not a Jew but was actually an Israelite, as he was descended from Levi through Aaron and Zadok.25 He was also an Israelite because he was descended from Judah through David.26 Both Levi and Judah were sons of Jacob who was renamed Israel by God. During his ministry Jesus had many battles with the Pharisees who were Edomite Jews, and not Israelites.27 The Pharisees were not respected by Jesus because they enforced the Tradition of the Elders, later known as Judaism, which Jesus did not accept.28 Also, Jesus did not respect them because he knew that they were Edomite Jews and not Israelites.
>>73766112
There's weak and then there's weak, Christianity didn't make the known world their bitch.
And if you wanna defend Christianity so much, be my guest, gullible spunk bucket.
>>73766458
JESUS
W
A
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NOT A JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>73766480
>Christianity didn't make the known world their bitch.
What was colonialism?
Pagans didn't do much besides worship trees. Unless you want to take credit for what the Greeks and the Romans did, which was hardly the same as Northern paganism.
>thread discussing history, science and religion
>hope against hope that the one ignorant nigger atheist spamming the board doesn't have an American flag
>...it's an American flag
Every fucking time. Why do you euphorics always have to shame us?
>>73766401
I claimed that claims were inconsistent with historical stigmata, strange considering youurgod was supposed to be at both events (Crucifixion and events of stigmata). which is more than enough to have witness testimony discredited. Also, you're the dumbass using stigmata as evidence, I can't refute the others because I don't have enough background info on them and don't feel like wasting my time researching your made up justifications for autism.
>>73765767
Age doesn't mean it's true, especially when evidence and revelation are brought into the argument.
>>73766373
Again showing your ignorance while trying to play the expert.
Dredging operations are MUCH smaller than what you're suggesting (which, in and of itself, is bullshit given the amount of people he was supposedly escorting across the red sea) and yet, dredging operations can have a massive impact on the environment is not properly controlled.
At this point I might salvage a shred of respect for you if you just admit you're relying on blind faith. At least that way you're not lying through your teeth while trying to defend the religion that forbids that.
>>73752884
Realize that "atheist" refers to people who believe there is no god.
They'll say it's a lack of belief, but that's "agnostic" (then they'll claim they are agnostic atheist, show you a square and try to redefine words. However, they still bash on people's beliefs... it's gnostic when they are offensive, agnostic when they defensive)
Realize that believing there is no god is silly, since you have no evidence that there isn't one. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Atheism is plainly denying the antecedent, one of the most basic formal logical fallacies out there.
At this point you should be agnostic. I haven't given you any good reason to theist, but I have give you good reason why not to be atheist.
Go study the historical accuracy of the bible. It's stories in the old testament are pretty well tied to ancient history, and are surprisingly accurate. This helps support Abrahamic religions.
Now go study historical Jesus (there are around 3 wiki pages about him historically... not religiously). As a pretty hard historical fact that practically all modern scholars accept is that he was born, baptized, and crucified.
You could consider islam... but the whole "by their fruits, ye shall know them" I don't think Islam has brought forth good fruit, and the prophet Mohammad himself didn't seem righteous. It feels like he fulfills the prophecy of false prophets, deceiving the very elect, etc.
Now this part nobody can give to you, since the Abrahamic God doesn't want to be proven, but rather his children believe by faith. At least give him a chance since around 3.6 billion people believe in him. That 54% of all people.
>>73759467
Haha, I can't believe they don't see it, and they're on /pol/ kek
>>73766431
ok, but any fundamentalism is autistic regardless of whether you think fondling old bones of supposed saints will bring you providence or that the earth is only what, 6-10k years old?
>>73766651
When did I use stigmata as evidence? I was talking about the shroud of Turin. Why do you cunts always move goalposts?
>>73766670
You have yet to justify your positions. You've only been slinging hyperbole.
>>73766592
by all means, continue being a spunk bucket.
The only reason mythologies died out was because of leaders wanting more control of the public, and Christianity has strict rules that play in the "leader's" favor. It was all political and forced upon the people in every "pagan" country.
For example, Jesus wasn't born during winter, and not near December. yet christmas is celibrated on the 24th of dec, why? Midvinterblot.
>>73764101
Cause you definitely were there to testify this today, right.
>>73766670
Think of the area Moses walked on as a raised hill underneath water, Moses walks on it because wind is pushing the water to the side opening up the path to walk on the hill, then the Egyptian army follows and the wind stops causing the Egyptians to drown. No tsunami necessary It's all dependent upon perspective my friend.
so nobody has any real argument as to explain why one made up religion is better than another?
people used hinduism for 3500 years and lived fine before christianity
kk, ill take that as a win
>>73766882
>spunk bucket
Do you use those to collect sperm from your Somalian bulls?
Christmas is dated from the feast of the Assumption. It has nothing to do with your gay winterfest.
>>73766858
>I don't agree so it's hyperbole
>Therefore I write it off hand over fist and continue believing my own bullshit which IS LITERALLY FUCKING MAGIC
You are just an astonishing human being.
>>73766972
Hinduism doesn't have the documented evidence that Christianity does. Stop giving yourself fake victories, pajeet.
>>73766480
Why there are so many losers seeing a road to greatness in the losers of the past?
All those neo-pagans, stormfags, commies...
What makes you think that you can adopt the ways of the long ago vanquished losers to achieve greatness?
>>73767026
You have given no sources, only condescension and speculation.
>>73767068
And neither have you, you pidgeon holing fuck.
The difference between you and me is that everything I've claimed is easily verifiable fact while your claims are
LITERALLY
FUCKING
MAGIC
>>73767030
we actually do have a fuck ton of evidence thats just absolutely not true at all
its also 2000 years older bud, thats 2000 more years for shit to get destroyed or lost
>>73766888
This is an argument?
>>73766972
>kk, ill take that as a win
>>73765926
>>73766224
>>73766666
>>73766973
"The Assumption (August 15) refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary being assumed "
Fuck off mate.
People like partying and having feasts, take that away with a new religion and you are fucked, simple as that.
>>73767178
>everything I've claimed is easily verifiable fact
Everything you've claimed is unsourced speculation based on a poor understanding of geology.
>>73767204
What does Hinduism have evidence of? Being older doesn't make it true.
>>73767293
I meant Annunciation
http://taylormarshall.com/2012/12/yes-christ-was-really-born-on-december.html
>People like partying and having feasts,
There's no shortage of that in the modern world. it hasn't helped anyone. paganism will fail because it's shallow.
>>73766882
Jesus was likely born around August or September. Nine months back from August is December, the time of Jesus' conception. But what does a holiday have to do with Christianity any way? I'm not proposing that God instituted all major holidays.
>>73767300
>Everything you've claimed is unsourced speculation based on a poor understanding of geology.
Yes, I would love to be lectured on my "poor understanding of geology" by the guy who didn't know what a tsunami was and
BELIEVES
IN
FUCKING
MAGIC
>>73767428
Other way around, m8.
See >>73767414
>>73767436
And you're the dumb nigger who thinks a tsunami is just waves.
>>73766973
>Christmas is dated from the feast of the Assumption
Assumption is dated from the winter solstice, there are no dates in your gospels
>>73767288
>literally no arguments or evidence to refute me
>links infanticide in china
not an argument in relation to what we are discussing
>judaism
still not as old as hinduism thus not the true religion
>age
oh i forgot god put dino bones here 5000 years ago :^)
yeah i did win
>>73767436
You don't even understand how shallow the sea was.
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/08/New-Evidence-from-Egypt-on-the-Location-of-the-Exodus-Sea-Crossing-Part-I.aspx
>>73767414
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/when-was-jesus-born/
>People like partying and having feasts
>There's no shortage of that in the modern world. it hasn't helped anyone.
Christianity would never have take of and become more than a cult if they didn't assimilate the already existing feasts into it.
>>73767575
>Assumption is dated from the winter solstice
No it's not. Nobody seriously thinks this.
>>73767471
Maybe. I'll have to research more. Holidays aren't important to christianity at all (classic red herring) so I've never really took the time to study them and their relation to Christianity, but thanks for the info anyway, mate.
>>73767300
literally just about every refute you have for my points can easily be turned to describe your garbo religion
christidiots everyone
>>73767630
Christmas had nothing to do with any pagan holiday. Julian the Apostate is the one who moved the feast of Sol Invictus to co-opt Christmas.
>>73767606
>http://www.biblearchaeology.org
great un-biased source man, your intelligence is showing.
>>73767486
Apparently I need to remind you of the definition of the word >>73765237
>>73767606
Pic related.
The absolute most shallow part is around 800 meters.
You're not going to be able to bullshit yourself through this one.
>>73767680
How? I've already talked about the evidence for Christianity. Do you Fedoraniggers even plan things ahead?
>>73767717
You won't actually read anything not written by Dawkins or other atheist-approved sources, will you?
>>73767741
>evidence
>carm.com
>http://www.biblearchaeology.org
>thoes other garbage sources you use
nice
>>73767692
Until Roman Emperors made a proper state religion from multitude of apocalyptic death cults there was no christhmas celebration
>>73767779
Are you actually going to address the arguments p[resented, or just act keep acting like a cunt and avoiding the issue?
>>73767852
its going to be impossible to have a logical discussion with somebody who seriously uses things like "http://www.biblearchaeology.org" as a credible unbiased source
>>73767823
The celebration of Christmas predates the adoption of Christianity by the empire.
>>73767905
And it's still one more source than you've provided.
>>73767740
>how did moses part the sea
just like noah took every species on the planet in a wooden boat to ride the deluge(there are so fucking many species we are literally still finding new species of animals every single fucking day)
they use magic duh! Just have faith.
>>73767944
nah thats not how academia works bro
>>73767577
you are so stupid nigger i hope your skin color is at least brown
>>73763428
>>73763428
but offcourse this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9RG7NYQa8k
>>73768036
Academia works by not providing sources to bolster your arguments?
>>73768063
have you ever in your life heard of the term peer reviewed?
>>73768063
So are you just not going to respond to the post where I proved your point objectively wrong?
That's not very scholarly of you.
>>73768190
checkmate
>>73752884
Get brain damaged. Also "nothingness" ISN'T nothing, learn some quantum physics.
