>attend city council meeting about vaping
>step to the microphone with others to voice opposition to letting these people blow poison all over the place, and the risks of vapes exploding
>disgusting losers step to microphone to whine about "benefits" of vaping
>city votes to ban vaping from all public parks and walkways, within 20 feet of all city buildings, from all city transportion, to block vape shops from being within a mile of any school, and to work ahead of the FDA to ban all free samples
>vapefags get super pissed, some are escorted from the room
Feels good, man.
>banning things because it hurts your feelings
link us your tumblr page fag
>>73620187
We only ban toxic things that shitty rude people do, don't get your panties in a knot.
They did a similar thing in my town with bowls and stuff. No store can sell bowls but you can goto the next town over to get the.
>>73620089
>meanwhile kikes pour HFCS and fluoride into americas water to turn everyone into fat obedient fucks while the goyim are distracted with the vape debate
>>73620276
>I'm a fat fuck with no self control
>blame the jews!
>>73620276
>justifying people poisoning the air based on conspiracy theories
You need to be old enough to use a vape to be part of this discussion.
>>73620414
>poisoning the air
cite it
>>73620187
>hurt your feeling
they are literally hurting you physically
>>73620476
cite its not
>>73620476
>vape chemical manufacturers admit the fluid can produce a byproduct which is known to be harmful to your health
>"IT'S NOT BAD FOR YOU MAN!"
>>73620089
I'm a liberalist and oppose bullshit regulations like that, but gotta admit, its pretty funny.
Good.
Weed is the only acceptable form of vaping.
>>73620603
>implying all vape juices are made from the same chemicals
>>73620603
still waiting
>>73620089
lol you attended a council meeting to stop people from blowing steam
>>73620759
they almost all have the same glycol base, numpty
>>73620495
There is no 2nd hand smoke danger from vaping you soccer mom pussy
>>73620266
You probably don't even know what is in e liquid dumbass
Itt: soccer moms
>>73620882
god you people are retarded
so, what, it all just vanishes into atoms? the smell from them is just in my head?
die already
>>73620495
Are you retarded
>>73620089
Fucking vapoids, when will they learn.
>>73620089
>ofw we watched the tape
>>73620519
not how burden of proof works, summerfag
>>73621006
still waiting
>>73621006
The "smoke" is just water vapor you know right u don't get poison when you go outside in the rain do you
>>73620266
Like manspreading?
>>73620089
Only a dipshit thinks that vapes all explode. Seriously, its only niggers who don't understand Ohms Law that run Mech mods that do it.
Survival of the fittest. Kill yourself faggot.
>>73620603
Give a source. Back your claim.
I don't blame these people for trying to find an alternative to cigarettes that's more acceptable. Trying to quit smoking is a long and difficult process depending on the environment.
I personally don't smoke but I see how they're treated and it worries me. First smokers, what next? You can only drive electric cars because fuel cars smell? Sure I would love to replace a $3000 battery every so often.
>>73621204
Why would you want a filthy fedoras carbon mist inside of you
>>73620882
source
and I'm asking for a source, you know, some kind of evidence.
"it's just watervapor reeeeee" isn't a source
>>73621382
Why would you want Jamals black cocktail inside of your wife?
>>73621382
Cuz it's better then smoking 2.5 packs a day
>>73621914
Try not smoking/vaping anything at all bud.
Is there any point at all for vaping?
>>73621914
smoking 1 pack a day is also better than smoking 2.5 a day.
>>73622014
healthier alternative if you must smoke
We're are the deadly chemicals at???? Some one pls tell me
>>73622014
Less dangerous than smoking. But you're still a degenerate addict who has no willpower and can't control himself.
>>73621591
>all I want you to do it prove a negative
>why won't you
>>73622159
propelene glycol, like in antifreeze
>>73622159
>implying when you fucking turn that shit into vapor that you're not forming carcinogens
Did you even take a Chemistry class in your life?
>>73622327
so there's no proof that vaping has no second hand affects?
>vaping
>>73620089
Isn't vaping just vapor water? Or now you put another substance to that shit that is harmful?
>>73622354
Which was added to make it less deadly to pets that would ingest it
>getting baited this hard
stay classy, mouth fedoras
>>73622354
propelene glycol is in antifreeze to reduce the hazardous effects of the antifreeze
>>73620089
NICE, hahahah weaklings BTFO
>>73622159
Nicotine is fucking deadly m8, op is still a huge fucking faggot tho.
>>73622354
Propylene glycol like in packaged food
>>73622354
Wrong. Ethylene glycol is anti freeze. Propel energy glycol is an artificial sweeter
>>73622372
Yes I did and none form carcinogens
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
>>73622575
Correct out of all the things nicotine is only one dangerous it's also the smallest ingredient in there
>>73620089
Ayy sick cloud brah.
My friend is a pulmonary medicine doctor and his casual response when I asked him about it was that lots of this stuff they honestly don't know the answer to. His bet is that it does harm your lungs to some extent, but how much is hard to say. They need to do long term studies and by the time those are done will be a long time.
>>73622159
I can't see why it would be good to inhale that vaporized...
>>73620187
>Projecting this hard.
Aren't you the one with your feelings hurt?
dude weed lmao.
>>73621348
Bitch, I quit smoking cold turkey. Fuck off with your "long and difficult process" bullshit. Just don't fucking smoke. Maybe chew some gum if you have to have something in your mouth.
>>73622742
I bang a 45 year old ER Nurse and she says the same thing. We don't know fully what it does, but it does create small build up in some of the airways from water vapor, etc.
>inb4 Buhhh it's healthier
I never said it wasn't faggot. It's OBVIOUSLY healthier than smoking cigarettes. No one can deny that. Fat bong rips to the lung isn't going to kill you, but that doesn't mean it's healthy.
the only bad thing inside e-liquid is nicotine, you can even buy it without that shit. whats the problem?
>>73622603
Fucking autocorrect.
Prophelene glycol is an artificial sweetner. Most vape juice is that and high fructose corn syrup and flavorings and nicotine
In the first line of the Constitution, it says "promote the general welfare". So to be clear, any libertarian argument against this is invalid.
But if you oppose regulations, because it helps people quit smoking, then you have a reasonable position.
>>73622889
>not sucking dick to help you quit smoking
You some kinda faggot, anon?
>>73623236
I'm an anal bottom not an oral bottom, cuck.
>>73622889
he already used the qualifier "depending on the situation" you stupid illiterate nigger
>>73622742
We have retards who are inhaling it already, so the tests are already underway. After a few lawsuits, we'll know how harmful it is.
>>73620266
>We only ban toxic things that shitty rude people do
How classist, totalitarian and progressive of you.
You're scum.
>>73623357
Unless the situation includes someone with a gun saying "smoke this or I'll shoot you" there is no situation in which not smoking is not an option.
>>73623484
>absolutely everyone is like me, end of story
vape more japs
>>73623724
Sorry you got zero will power.
You at least have enough will power to rationalize and turn a horrible habit into a physical dependency.
>>73623724
Why are you defending weak people without an ounce of willpower?
>>73620603
>vape chemical manufacturers admit the fluid can produce a byproduct which is known to be harmful to your health
at temperatures above 900 degrees, yes
if you inhale vapor at that temperature, toxic chemicals are going to be the least of your worries because you just cooked your lungs
>>73621348
Vaping isn't really "quitting smoking." It's like switching from crack to powder cocaine.
> First smokers, what next? You can only drive electric cars because fuel cars smell?
This already happened with catalytic converters, you mong. Public health concerns are things that can be addressed with laws.
>hurr why can't I dump chemical waste on sidewalks? This is violating my rights!
>>73624030
Yes, heat up strange chemicals and inhale them, goy.
>>73622218
>>73621591
>>73621006
>>73620089
>>73620495
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273230014002505
http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/5/4889
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26243705
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0122544#sec015
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.12942/abstract
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743514003739
I mean do I really have to do this for you? Here is a nice compilation of studies http://www.vapeorama.net/e-cigs-studies--vaping-research.html
Since you wont read those links, here are the take-aways: E cigs are orders of magnitude less harmful than cigs, E cigs smoke is equal or less harmful than city air, E cigs are effective smoking cessation tools, studies that tote harmful effects have conflict of interest (i.e. funded by tobacco co.), Nicotine in free base form (such as vaping) is not addictive or significantly less addictive than chemicals found in cigarette smoke, Propelyne glycol is not harmful in aerosol form, harmful chemicals are produced during vaping at temperature MUCH MUCH higher than normal temperatures or when the heating element is burned very hot without the juice (dry puff where the wick is burned).
The list of non-issues goes on and on. Its like you are trying to be illiterate fucks
>>73620089
why so asshurt about vaping ?
less toxins etc , if anythign you from all the boards just support vaping.
vaping did nothing wrong , instead of cigawett butts youve electronic burning devices inflaming tobacco liquid without all the sideffects for passive smoking.
so if you hate vaping , you hate jesus , you hate progress , you hate hitler.
fuck you if you hate vaping - its a great new addition to us smokers.
if anything if you are against vaping , 100% sure you are a jewish tobbaco imbecile supporter.
>>73620089
Holy fuck you have oppressive laws
>>73624196
>Nicotine in free base form (such as vaping) is not addictive or significantly less addictive than chemicals found in cigarette smoke
>Nicotine
>not addictive
How about not inhaling any smoke or vapor at all and not spend money on useless shit?
>>73623918
and this is where i become pretty sure you never actually smoked.
it's not a horrible habit, it's a great one.. everything good or bad is made better by a good smoke afterword.
Sex, traffic, food, waking up on little rest, going to work on a crappy day, coming home from work on a good day.
it enhances everything.
>>73620089
Good goy, how much was deposited in your account from the lobbyist fund? Did RJ or Morris fund your act of altruism?
SO many vapefags in this thread lol.
Jesus christ.
>>73622159
nicotine is pretty poisonous. toxicity causing death when ingested orally is around 50-60 mg/kg of body weight. lucky for you that bottle is listed at 6mg total and you could literally chug the entire thing and maybe get sick.
Glycerin and propylene glycol have been used in the food industry since forever and are relatively benign to human health when vaporised. Ever been to a rock concert or theater production with a smoke machine? That's the same propylene vapor produced from mouth fedoras. The glycerin is simply there to be a bonding substrate for the flavoring.
Is it as healthy as quitting cold turkey? No.
Is it healthier than cigarettes? Yes.
Tax it, regulate it, move on.
>>73624196
Bb Big Tobacco is literally funding most of the studies you claim arent biased
>>73624174
>>73622889
Those are all great personnel opinions and stories, but you still have yet to post any facts or sources, just blatant lies.
>>73624547
Sure it feels great after a good meal but the wheezing and chest pain sure sucks. Cancer sure sucks. So does COPD. Not to mention the wonders of heart disease. I really couldn't wait for my life to go from feeling a buzz after a good meal to not being able to breathe. Sure enhances life.
You're just a cuck to nicotine. Just stop, it's that simple.
>>73624490
I don't really care if people vape , in my opinion it's waste of money. One of my buddies buys a new vape every week , and literally spends 70% of his paycheck on vape shit. You get a good nic buzz from it and that's about it , I don't see why people spend hundreds of dollars on this useless shit.
>>73620089
>>city votes to ban vaping from all public parks and walkways, within 20 feet of all city buildings, from all city transportion, to block vape shops from being within a mile of any school, and to work ahead of the FDA to ban all free samples
what city?
>>73624688
On the subject of drugs, /pol/ will suddenly go full liberal and say things like "IT'S MY BODY MY CHOICE". This is the only subject they'll do this on, as they have no problem with restricting rights of various other peoples and prohibiting various other things.
I'm not saying I have a problem with that. I'm not a lolbertarian. I just think the hypocrisy is funny.
>>73624547
You have smoked less than 10 years. Its obvious.
>>73624030
We should ban air since O2 oxygen becomes harmful when electro-stimulated into O3 ozone. What if people pass electric current through their air?
Ban air.
>>73620266
>>73620603
>>73621006
>>73620089
Lol, good work OP
>>73620089
Poisons loke Vegetable glycerin (stuff that is in food you eat), propylene glycol (anti-microbial used in toothpaste and as aerosols in hospitals the world over), artificial and natural flavorings (again, food), and optional nicotine (the only good chemical in cigs, also naturally found in many other plants including,but not limited to: eggplants, potatoes, tomatoes).
You are a certified retard.
>>73620089
Every day I work my ass off to undo the work of whiny little faggots like you.
Because of people like you, I have to sit through fucking city council meetings. Do you think I like doing that? Do you think I like listening to a gaggle of pompous asses drone on for hours about land easements and restructuring zoning ordinances and green space revitalization?
I don't. I like to sit in my front yard high as dicks all day. Eat shit.
>>73620089
>Today I got to watch government overreach against a group that I myself am not apart of, and I love standing by while big government slips down and forces their face right up against its asshole for the daily tonguing.
>>73624437
>or significantly less addictive
There is a shit-ton less nicotine in a puff of e-cigarette vapour than in a puff of cigarette smoke
not to mention the thousands of other physically addictive chemicals in cigarette smoke
>>73625192
It's one thing to eat something and another to vaporize it into your lungs.
>>73624688
Probably not.
More likely is the fact that posters seem to think opinions and things that personnally happened to them is equal to a fact or real source.
>show me proof
>lol it kills u bro i quit fine stop being a baby its deadly
/pol/ likes to ride on liberals for never giving factual reasons on their ideas, yet they do the same thing. I mean honestly someone with a brain read over this thread and tell me it doesn't look like a bunch of middle school neocons sprouting made up stories or repeating the same thing over and over..
>>73625055
People vape in public and around kids, unless you're at a music festival you aren't going to see people just doing drugs out in the open. Not to mention the fact these idiots are carrying around dildo shaped hand grenades.
>>73625055
>le /pol/ is one person meme
>>73625074
nope, started in 2004.
my dad has also smoked like 30 years, agrees on all the points, although he quit recently.
>>73620089
>being this much of a DIRTY FUCKING STATIST
>>73625353
Okay so the nicotine isn't less addictive, you just get less of it. So if you want the same dose you'll just vape some more until you get there.
>>73624904
>50-60 mg/kg of body weight.
This figure is widely disputed though, and the actual figure is difficult to know. What is known is that there are individual cases of people, sometimes with no regular nicotine use, ingesting quantities far larger than 50 mg/kg and surviving (albeit with acute symptoms from nicotine overdosing)
>>73624904
Holy shit you're an even bigger shill than OP.
"Tax it. Regulate it."
So every single device, every single cartridge, every single flavor requires $20 million in bribes be paid to the FDA in order to pass regulation? Just like tobacco products huh? This is such a good idea and sure to keep everyone in business.
Oh wait, it will only keep RJ Reynolds and its Vuse line of 5 flavors and one device in business. 5 cents deposited in your account as well I'm sure.
>>73620519
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
>>73625016
you're missing the point
NICOTINE is a wonderful little drug, and in isolation, far worse than the likes of alcohol
the problem, as you rightly pointed out, was the health impact
nicotine is so damn nice though, that literally billions of people DONT GIVE A FUCK and smoke anyway
now there is a way to enjoy inhaled nicotine that is AT LEAST 95% safer than smoking tobacco, and can be LITERALLY ANY FLAVOUR YOU CAN IMAGINE
it's pretty fucking great desu
>>73625380
So is it poison or no?
>>73625483
That's rough estimates according to tests on rats and dogs. It's fairly accurate for determining toxicity on humans.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/54115.html
>>73624174
>Vaping isn't really "quitting smoking."
Not smoking anymore but vaping instead IS "quitting smoking" dumbass.
>It's like switching from crack to powder cocaine.
It's more like switching from crack to caffeine.
>>73625644
This.
>>73621348
You can only drive electric cars because internal combustion is bad for the environment.
>>73620089
>No lasting high or visible intoxication effect
>Virtually impossible to be harmed from second hand vape smoke unless you go out of your way
It's also funny how "anti-vape" people like to bring up the unsourceable claim of it releasing poison in the air, yet they never cry about the thousands of other machines and plants releasing actual provable toxic gas.
The government shouldn't be babysitting or telling people what to breathe in anyway, it's the reason why the "drug epidemic" is even a problem. It's literally only a fucking problem if you decide to make it one.
>>73624174
>It's like switching from crack to powder cocaine.
You also get far less pollutants from vaping, so I think it's generally healthier than all the shit in cigarettes. Perhaps in the future it will be discovered that the vaping carrier solutions have their own health issues, but I'd guess that it is still going to be safer for the lungs in the long term to vape.
However I think vapists who blow big huge clouds in public are generally massive attention seeking faggots and should be beaten mercilessly, or at least laughed at.
>>73625706
Very likely isn't a good idea to vaporize stuff into your lungs if you have the option not to.
>>73625398
I can't really tell if you're agreeing with me or not.
>>73625401
Reddit-tier response
>>73625456
on the contrary.
i was a 20-30 a day smoker of regular 9-10 mg strength cigarettes
assuming 40% absorption rate (much of the nicotine in a cigarette doesnt make its way into the body), that was anywhere from 80-120 mg of nicotine per day.
more when i drank alcohol
i use a 3mg/ml nicotine liquid and go through anywhere from 5-15 ml of liquid a day, averaging 7.5 ml or 22.5 mg of nicotine
assuming even 90% absorption rate of nicotine from the vapour, thats only a fraction over 20 mg of nicotine.
>>73621348
>Assuming batteries will cost $3000 by time of replacement
>Assuming exhaust fumes aren't legitimately dangerous
>>73624437
http://www.medicaldaily.com/nicotine-alone-does-not-lead-addiction-additives-found-both-light-cigarettes-and-e-337470
http://www.ecigarette-politics.com/is-nicotine-addictive.html
http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq/nicotine.htm
Nicotine itself is no more addictive or brain destroying than caffeine. Lets ban coffee yeah?
>>73620089
>OP
Like what I like or be crushed by the boot.
>>73625447
>>73624430
READ THE CONSTITUTION
PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE
>>73620266
So is that that why smoking still exists? you know deep down in your heart you are more likely to inhale someones cigarette smoke or even weed than e-liquid. Fuck, it's like a weekly occurrence some fucker will walk past me with a joint on the go, or I'll be sitting in the park with the scent of bud wafting right over to me.
>>73620089
I thought vaping was great and would help people quit smoking, but then it degenerated into its own unique culture where people who were never addicted to nicotine in the first place were suddenly drawn the "cloud chasing" shit or whatever.
Thanks vapeniggers for turning vaping into a potentially helpful alternative for those addicted to cigarettes into some edgy societal nuisance movement.
>tfw I only have a hash pen because I'm not a cloud chasing faggot so I can still get away with getting high almost anywhere
>>73626242
turning vaping from*
>>73625810
>It's more like switching from crack to caffeine.
But both tobacco and e-liquid contain nicotine
Crack contains coca extract and caffeine is a totally different substance. Is this how stupid sperglord vapers are?
>>73625794
>http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/54115.html
>Human data: The fatal human dose has been estimated to be about 50 to 60 mg [Lazutka et al. 1969].
[link here that 4chan thinks is spam. top google result for "nicotine ld50"
>The mismatch between the generally accepted lethal dose and documented cases of nicotine intoxication raises the question for the genuine source of the 60-mg dose. Literature and Internet searches provided circular and often misleading references to databases or textbooks, which either simply state the dose without reference or refer to another textbook and so on.
>To give an example, the following statement is found on the webpage of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/54115.html): “The fatal human dose has been estimated to be about 50–60 mg (Lazutka et al. 1969).” However, Lazutka et al. describe the determination of LD50 values for mice and rats and do not even mention human toxicity (Lazutka et al. 1969). The second paper cited on this Web site (Lehman 1949) was actually published in 1949, and neither provides any supporting data (Lehmann 1949). Screening the German literature published before World War II eventually revealed references to a textbook published in 1906 by Rudolf Kobert (1854–1918), a renowned pharmacologist and pioneer of toxicology in Germany. In the chapter on nicotine of his Lehrbuch der Intoxikationen, Kobert makes the following statement (Kobert 1906):
>
>a thread about mouth fedoras
JUST
>>73625895
>No lasting high or visible intoxication effect
>Virtually impossible to be harmed from second hand vape smoke unless you go out of your way
this. It's literally nicotine dispersed into an oil, along with aromatic scents. The only bad thing about vaping is the size of the particles a vaper inhales, but that's only if you use it, not as a second hand "smoker". Million times better than cigs.
Not to be misunderstood, i despise vaping, but you're so right about that greentext.
I agree it should be shamed and laughed at, but arguments about getting it banned are ridiculous, there's no reason to ban it.
>>73626242
Fucking this, holy hell.
>>73625916
Better than the GPC cigs I was puffing on beforehand. Now I have a pretty good control on my nicotine intake and don't feel forced to hack a whole butt to not waste it instead of just taking a puff and putting it away. I agree people are rude with vaping, but that's typically the people that never smoked before and don't know smoking etiquette, or rude smokers that never kearned the etiquette in the first place. However, the answer to rudeness with bans is such a ratto Cruz tactic, especially when these bans are affecting businesses and the livelihoods of those people. This country is supposed to be the land of the free, not the la d of the pussies that want to get rid of everything they don't like.
Nicotine is very much American culture. We started with tobacco to build the country. Now we dropped our smoking rate while still sending our poison across seas to other countries, ensuring us being on top. Now we have the technology to help people quit smoking or just use a alternative that is an estimated 85-95% safer and is popular in mainly America, and people with weak sensibilities wanf to ban it, because they don't bother to read even one study.
There are officially no free countries left on earth. This is depressing.
>>73624430
We live in one of the biggest countries in the world with millions of empty acres of land. You're more than free to vape or do whatever the fuck you want away from urban centers.
>>73626320
its an analogy of the relative harm of the substances.
or were you being deliberately obtuse?
THE NEAR FUTURE
>More and more media stories about the dangers of vaping
>Is it really safe? These studies show it may not be.
>Kids hands and faces blown off by unregulated e-cigs
>Concerned mothers demand government action!
>Concerned lawmakers demand FDA action!
>FDA reacts to crisis and requires heavy regulation
>Small players kicked out, big tobacco muscles in and dominates market
>>73626566
this is literally happening as we speak in Europe
Google "Tobacco Products Directive, Article 20"
essentially it is going to help the tobacco industry products whilst hampering the genuine e-cigarette companies (except for the few biggest players in the market who can bear the costs of the regulations)
>>73626529
>accuse me of being deliberately obtuse
>compare vapes to caffeine and cigarettes to crack cocaine
>>73626566
You mean present day? Because the FDA is already putting in the heavy regulations starting August 8th.
>>73620089
Which city?
>>73626719
firstly, im not the guy you were talking to, check my id/flag
secondly, the comparison is that of swapping a highly addictive and highly DAMAGING stimulant for a milder, safer stimulant
is that point too much for you to grasp?
>>73626566
>he doesn't know what May 8th was
>>73626877
What...what happened?
>>73620793
What kind of freak show is this?
>>73623859
I love that webm.
Makes me proud to be an American.
I smoked for four years, and just quit, because I'm not a bitch.
Just stop smoking, turn to a loved one and swear to them, "I will never touch tobacco again, that was my last one."
Let your honor do the work.
>>73626729
those were my thoughts a couple of years ago when i first heard some of the 'vaping horror stories' in the media. I don't smoke so dont really follow the news about vaping, but am obviously not surprised, its the classic big corporate/govt agency revolving door playbook, this kind of govt reaction/assistance is what their lobbying pays for.
>>73627049
>Lardous post
>>73620089
>>73620266
Doesn't the smoke or whatever dissipate in seconds?
>city votes to ban vaping from all public parks and walkways, within 20 feet of all city buildings, from all city transportion, to block vape shops from being within a mile of any school, and to work ahead of the FDA to ban all free samples
So just like cigs
>>73626944
Only have 16 years of raw nicotine stashed up and only 8 years of cartridges. Need to hoard more before I go blabbing.
>>73627066
It's not thoughts. August 8th is when the newly passed regulations on premium cigars and electronic cigarettes get put in place.
>>73620089
Nice bait, faggot. Congrats.
>>73626036
I love when /pol/ says soda or whatever is degenerate, then shut up when coffee is mentioned.
I'd love to see anyone who drinks coffee everyday to stop for a day, let alone a week
>>73627064
wow a whole 4 years lmao
the first 1 or 2 was probably socially.
>thinks hes tough shit
kek
>>73627369
Stop snitching
>>73621006
are you scared of car fumes and all the other shit thats in the air?
>>73622007
how about you stop doing something because it annoys me. fuck off you nanny.
>>73620089
So you're saying you just fucked freedom in the ass, huh?
>>73627543
>Haha I inhaled cancer longer than you!
Stop
>lmao it smells like grapefruit :^D *blows boiling cloud of disgusting oily steam in your face*
mouth fedoras should all be shot
>>73627632
>>73627735
>>73627778
READ THE CONSTITUTION
PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE
>>73620793
just two jews, jewing around... fuck them both
>>73627543
>>73627064
Quitting is for losers
Hell, I don't know what to do with my hands in real life, that's why I smoke.
>>73627537
>I'd love to see anyone who drinks coffee everyday to stop for a day
I drink coffee pretty regularly. Usually one in the morning and maybe one after dinner.
I go three days completely without sometimes and don't even notice.
>>73627884
Wow a cigarette smoker who hates people that consume nicotine through their lungs without an admixture of 7000 other chemicals, how novel.
>>73627558
>being woke about what the government is doing
>letting the masses know
>snitching
Fuck off, statist.
>>73627328
basically, and people are throwing the same hissy fit with it
honestly if I vaped, I wouldnt smoke anywhere I couldnt smoke a cig, except my own home.
>>73620268
bowls? You mean for bongs?
>>73628065
I fucking hate coffee drinkers, blowing their disgusting-smelling breath in my face when they talk close. Coffee drinkers should all be shot.
>>73620089
MOUTH FEDORAS BTFO
>>73628239
Why don't you fuck off, shill who wants to cause a run on my goods before I'm ready
>>73620089
That all seems reasonable as long as they don't go full Illinois retarded banning it from private businesses. I don't even smoke but that is such a bullshit law.
Eh the cat is out of the bag. Cant successfully ban it now. Its real easy to make eliquid.
>>73620266
now if only fags like you would quit lying to us about cancer and unban actual smoking from everywhere we would be good.
til that happens, you are barack obama.
>>73628399
>implying i don't use the same goods
Next step for the FDA is making all that illegal, buddy. Then you'll have the DEA at the door for having trafficker amounts of product.
Vaping is gay, but people who go around banning things are even gayer. I don't understand this country. It's perfectly fine that I have to walk to my office through a sea of weed smoke and catch a contact high, but start blowing tobacco or robo cock smoke and people get their panties in wad.
>>73627537
Because soda is sugar water and not healthy. Coffee is from a bean which has a minor stimulant and has beneficial effects? You are comparing the apples to orangutans here bro, as in, you just made a laughable comparison
>>73626863
Didn't realize I was responding to disgusting brit, I regret opening a conversation
>>73624933
I want to know how you know this.
This is not a joke or some shitty, passive aggressive jab. I just actually want to know how you came to know this information, and how I can also quickly see where money comes from in the case of journals, studies, etc.
>>73626242
This.
I don't care much about vaping, never did. I'm not a smoker either, it really doesn't concern me.
Then there's the culture around it. Vaping is rare here in Amsterdam, so whenever you see it it's a special occasion. It's never an old man/woman though, always some smug hipster or a fedora-wielding hamplanet.
No wonder nobody vapes here.
>>73628585
So the DEA is going to wrest control from the ATF?
>>73620089
>le poison
You're as big of a faggot as vapers.
Literally upset someone found a way to enjoy smoking that has no second hand effects.
You are pissed.
>>73620089
you are part of the problem
hanging you will be part of the solution
those who fail to honor constitutional rights are traitors
>>73621057
So you have no proof that fucking water vapor poisons the air?
Shut the fuck up then pepe.
>Half of /pol/ is teenagers addicted to the robot penis
Why do I even come here anymore.
>>73622007
How about people stop riding bikes because they annoy me.
>>73622014
Is there any point to anything that involves enjoyment?
>>73628809
You act like the DEA doesn't do what it wants. Just look at what they did when MDMA was originally scheduled as a Schedule III substance by a judge in a court hearing. The DEA was like "nah, nigga" and just put it as a Schedule I a month later simply because they could.
>>73629064
No you are a faggot that wants to prevent people from doing what they freely want. I don't vape but I'm not going to spaz out like an autistic faggot and claim no one can do it because I don't like it.
It's like saying buttsex should be illegal because you don't like it. It's fucking childish.
>>73620266
wow, what a pussy. you're driven by emotions as opposed to facts.
>>>tumblr
>>73629263
Sofomy is illegal in many states already, goy.
>>73629263
I guess you are for recreational and legalization of all drugs then, right friend?
>>73626242
yup, I started smoking cigarettes again because of the push-back against vaping. I smoke them around people and throw the butts around willy nilly cause fuck you faggots. I tried to be nice and that didn't work so here, have some second hand cancer and trash all over the place.
>>73629198
Let me know when the DEA comes against Big Tobacco then for conspiracy to distribute nicotine by means of cigarettes and other products.
>DADDY GOVERNMENT PLZ BAN THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
This is what all you faggots sound like right now.
>>73620089
>>73629466
if you aren't you literally hate freedom and want to be 24/7 coddled by a nanny state like a little cuck babby
>>73624174
Propylene Glycol is widely used as a propellant in aerosol delivered medications, namely albuterol.
The issue arises when the PG is subjected to incomplete combustion, rather than vaporization, which is a fault of the pens themselves and is caused by:
Dry burning
Unintended metal catalysis
Cheap parts
These claims are true of old rigs, that were the bottom rung of the market 7-8 years ago when the study was conducted. The study, by the way, just dry burned e liquid by leaving the heating element on constantly and didn't have a vacuum or suction device to emulate inhalation. Junk science.
why are you people so emotional when it comes to vaping?
>>73628976
>those who fail to honor constitutional rights are traitors
>>73629263
>>73629572
FIRST LINE OF THE CONSTITUTION
"PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE"
>>73620089
>city council meeting about vaping
just nuke yourself
>>73629492
In due time. The FDA is already seeing up the floor for the big show. Now, prove to me the DEA can't do whatever it wants.
>>73630151
>HALP! DIS STINKY VAPOR IS GONNA KILL ME! ITS IN TEH CONSTITUSHUN
Soooo nobody thinks this is just something that Big Tobacco has a hand in?
>>73626516
if you love tobacco either smoke it or dip it.
Anything other than that is marketing, have some balls faggot.
Freedom comes at a price, you e-cig makes obvious you're not willing to pay that price, or any consequence for your actions.
>>73630124
Because they have no one that loves them
>>73620089
>>73630151
MUH CONSTITUTION
MUH BIBLE
MUH GUNS
MUH FEELINGS
>>73630435
The price of freedom is the tree of liberty being watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots. Fuck you and your Greek understanding of freedom. Maybe you should pay the price of your MASSIVE DEBTS before commenting on the price of freedom.
>>73630435
By your logic, someone who drives a car should do it without seatbelts or airbags.
>>73620089
>Next item of business: When do the kids get off the damn lawn!??
>>73622354
Propylene glycol is also used in fucking nebulizers to help asthmatics breathe better you retard.
I really hope some kind of fungus grows in their lungs with all that water vapor they're inhaling
>it's just water vapor bruh
>>73630379
>implying the health negatives of vaping don't outweigh the positives
>>73622159
>kosher
reason enough to ban it
>>73630200
I'm not here to prove shit to you. The DEA raids freezers for green MDMA precursor ketone, not for nicotine. If that's what's stopping you from being prepared then I wish you best of luck in your return to the Inhaled Jew in August.
>>73628679
But they're both addictive, supposedly
>>73623042
so it's essentially inhaled soda. no wonder fedoralords love it so much
>>73630901
its undoubtable positive when compared to smoking
which i would still be doing without muh vape
safer than not doing either, probably not, but a life without nicotine is not worth living
>>73630379
>>73630573
It's incredibly humorous that you faggots are arguing about America, when you don't know shit. This falls under promoting the general welfare. If someone wants to argue that vaping helps people quit smoking or that vaping isn't unhealthy, that's fine. But "muh body muh choice" arguments are a priori invalid.
>>73622503
>>73622533
>>73622585
>>73622603
>>73630818
Then eat it
>>73630824
>he thinks propylene glycol is water
>>73620877
You are talking about propylene glycol, which is carcinogenic. Vegetable glycerin is not at all harmful, and its what smart vapists use. No one should be forced to breathe nicotine though. Im curious whether the metal used to heat the liquid is actually safe to inhale from when heated as many are made in China.
I remember working retail on black friday when they first came out. So many faggots blowing clouds and my manager wouldnt kick them out because it
>wasnt against the rules
And the vapists were so pompous about their immunity. Not sure how they expect things to turn out when theyre blatantly obnoxious.
>>73630573
>>>/reddit/
>>73630605
vapers are like people who drink alcohol only to get drunk. No joy, just a means to your degenerate ends.
>>73630596
you castrate yourself and blame others for it.
>>73623859
i don't feel bad for the people, I feel bad for the dogs.
>>73630818
He is wrong anyway. Ethylene glycol is in antifreeze not prophelene glycol. Prophelene glycol is an artificial sweetener. Vape juice has that and high fructose corn syrup in it. Both have a high water content and act as a conduit for the delivery of the water vapor and flavoring/and or nicotine to be delivered.
>>73631201
We do. It's put in food as a preservative, because it's an anti-microbial. It's also used as an aerosol in hospitals the world over for the same purposes.
Good job OP. As for the rest, why all the butthurt? E-cigs are finally being regulated like regular cigs. Problem?
>>73631287
Nice projecting. Maybe when you pay off your debt without needing to call in Germany for "muh reparations", I'll listen. Until then, you're just a nigger.
>>73620266
God damn what a fucking boot licker. Just the same as the soccer moms who banned real smoking from public.
>>73620089
Dude
ITS WEED
>>73631610
so the subject of this conversation is the greek debt?
Fascinating.
>>73631609
Regulations are what ruin the economy.
>>73631201
If you eat anything with an artificial sweetner in it then you already have. It breaks down in your body the same way sugar does.
>>73631728
If we're talking about self-castration, yes.
>>73631276
Propylene glycol is not carcinogenic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
Only reason I don't like vaping is because you can sit there and do it constantly
I only smoke a cig like every 3-4 hours, but with vaping you can just sit there suckin' away as much as you want
>>73620276
>that poster id
The Borg is awake
>>73631884
With a cig you smell like shit afterward though
Meme arguments aside, why would you want to, in the words of the vapists themselves have a "more pure form of nicotine" delivered into your lungs? Isn't nicotine like the really addictive and shitty part of cigarettes?
>>73631185
>>73630901
Give me one study that says SECOND-HAND vapor has any harmful effects. Things shouldn't be banned for the "general welfare" just because you "feel" it might effect bystanders.
Its the same ingredients as the vapor from a fog machine, and I don't see any of you butthurt faggots trying to ban that.
>>73631505
It's the only way to deliver lorazepam by way of injection also.
BAN TRACH TUBES! Force them down the throat with no muscle relaxant!
>>73632004
yeah, I'm not justifying smoking, just saying why I prefer it over vaping
>>73620266
It's water vapour. That lovely American air you breath in is probably more toxic.
>>73631884
People chain smoke all the time, nig nog.
>>73632042
Nicotine is what keeps you addicted but the chemicals you inhale from the cigarette to feed your nicotine addiction is the shitty bit.
>>73632096
1 - Read my fucking post next time. I said "If someone wants to argue that vaping helps people quit smoking or that vaping isn't unhealthy, that's fine."
2 -http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/08/29/study-second-hand-smoke-from-e-cigarettes-contains-toxic-metals.html
>>73631793
just keep sucking on that pleasure stick,
just like your sister and your girlfriend.
>>73632295
Just because propylene glycol is hygroscopic doesn't mean it's composed entirely of water. Do you think alcohol is water too? Probably, since they teach you faggots that x is 46 where x - 19 + 17 = 65
>>73620495
And what the fuck do you care what I do to myself? Get on with your own life faggot.
>>73620089
What would I have not given to see their fucking faces.
The CTO at my previous company kept vaping in all meetings and in everybody's face and cleaning up his vapshit half the time.
Fucking mongoloids
>>73620089
You're a fucking tool, do you even know where you are faggot
>>73632393
Post the DOI to the study. Oh, you can't?
>>73632042
Nicotine is basically harmless (albeit addictive) and it's the primary psychoactive component. It's the other shit in cigarettes (read: burning carcinogenic plant material) that kills you.
Most smokers don't know that there's actually a few other psychoactives in tobacco, like small amounts of harmala alkaloids, that definitely contribute to the subjective effects. I've tried vaping and even ignoring the lack of throat kick it's just nowhere near as satisfactory.
>cigs
>1000's of chemicals, most are carcinogenic
>/pol/ accepted
>vapes
>only a few chemicals, MAYBE somewhat dangerous
>le mouth fedora why don't you smoke real cancer you pussy I hope I die by 40 of lung cancer, by the way I smell like an ashtray
