http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36239546
Ready for the Trump who's pro gun control, abortion, and gay rights?
I really hope no one's surprised by this 'unforeseeable' turn of events.
Bernie bro here, just along for popcorn.gif at this point
>>73401218
>wants to still lower the taxes
>says he won't be able to lower it as much due to having to negotiate the plan with democrats
You're shilling is really weak
Not to be a Trump apologist, but that looks to be consistency rather than a reversal. I can't say I'm all that hot on anybody's tax plan, but it's not as though we're electing a dictator anyway.
I still like Cruz's flat tax rate idea more.
I'm sorry I don't get US news from the fucking BBC
>>73401218
>I have a plan
>I have to negotiate the terms with an opposing party
>change some aspects of plan
>OMG FUCKING REVERSAL HILLARY 2016!!!!!1
Hmmm on your 30 min break from eating hillarys dirty pussy are we?
>>73401535
Cruz would have been demolished by Hillary. It wouldn't have been a contest.
>>73401535
regressive taxation is retarded
The rich can easily afford higher taxation than the poor/working class
Anyone who falls for the flat tax meme is just being conned by Steve Forbes.
>>73401458
Cucked by the Donald, and you can't even admit it.
> tfw Trump played negotiation hardball with voters
>>73401763
hey reddit
>>73401844
reddit falls for retarded memes all the time so they would probably fall for the flat tax too
>>73401718
OP here, still a Bernie bro, still unsurprised by your lack of reading comprehension.
>>73401799
>tfw Trump played negotiation hardball with voters
Of course he did. What else could you expect?
All I can say is I don't see anything yet to be much more or less upset about than I was before.
>>73401947
>berniebro
admitted shill then
get the fuck out of here nigger
>>73401947
If you're a Bernie fag why would you care if Trump would raise the minimum wage and lower taxes for the rich less?
That should make you like him "more"
>>73401699
Yes, I agree. As a North Korean, I know my nation's news agencies are the only ones I can trust.
>hillary gets the dem nom
>the plant starts stumping himself
like a fiddle
>>73401535
ABAWLISH THE IRS
FILE YOUR TAXES ON A POSTCARRD
BREAKING: berniebro OP is a retárd
>>73402063
Really what he should do is be working to get Bernie through the primary process rather than attack Trump. So the logical conclusion is that this person is a Hillary plant.
>>73402207
Bernietards obsession with Trump makes no sense
all their effort is going towards someone that Bernie isn't currently running against
>>73402063
The point is that Trump doesn't give a shit about you, what you want, what's good for you, or anything beyond the man's 58-story ego.
For instance, if he gave a shit, he'd check his facts:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/few-stand-in-trumps-way-as-he-piles-up-the-four-pinocchio-whoppers/2016/05/07/8cf5e16a-12ff-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html?tid=pm_pop_b
... but since he gives 0 shits, he says whatever will get your vote. It doesn't matter that if he's elected, his policies and promises won't make sense or be practicable. He knows you can't read / won't fact-check him anyway.
>>73402130
Considering that the income tax doesn't pay for anything, getting rid of the IRS is the obvious thing to do. It's just that you're lucky to not get executed in broad daylight if you go around talking smack about the banking cartel.
It's all well and good for the executive to signal that he might not suck banker cock every single morning, but really it's the job of Congress to do something about the problem.
>>73402299
For me, it's more a fascination with /pol/. I saw the article and thought it would be relevant to your interests.
It's great to be on the leading edge of Trump vs. reality.
>>73402430
>Berniebro thinks tax cuts for the working class and raising the minimum wage are bad policies
I'm starting to think you're a /hillaryartillery/
>>73401218
Trump said LONG ago if he's elected he's probably going to have to pay more in taxes.
Remember?
>>73401799
>Trump's supporters
>those, uh, lower class, underemployed supporters
>betrayed by the Dolan by...
>him acting in their best interests
How d-DARE we act in our own interests?!
>>73402207
Bernie's not going to win the primary. Unless Hillary gets indicted, which sadly is unlikely, it's back to the Senate for Sanders.
Anyway, I already donated to his campaign, and I'll vote for Bernie in the California primary :^)
>>73402607
Again
In what way is "higher taxes for the rich" and lower taxes for the working class" bad for the working class regular guy that votes Trump
I'm starting to think you ALL have autism.
He hasn't budged an inch on immigration. Usually that's the first thing Republicans drop. It's stupid to raise taxes when the government doesn't need more revenue when there is plenty to cut. But the left wants stupid shit and I can live with a bit of a raise in taxes as long as he builds a wall and deports the illegals.
>>73401763
I support a flat tax. Not because it's fair but because the poor need to understand what the free shit they vote for costs. The poor don't pay any income taxes. With ta flat tax they'll pay and when they want to vote themselves free shit it'll be easy to demonstrate instantly exactly how much they'll pay more in taxes when the policy gets implemented.
>>73402772
Bernie's doing better than people (including myself) expected. I think it's still useful to get as much leverage out of that as is possible. He's no antichrist, as far as I know.
It was a long, hard, road to get Trump into the position he is now, and this game isn't over until it's over. Surrender is not an option if you want to win the fight.
>>73402846
Wow, good point. Are you sure YOU aren't a Bernie bro? :0
>>73402936
>the poor need to understand what the free shit they vote for costs.
It doesn't cost anything. money doesn't come from the rich it comes from the government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIaXVntqlUE
taxes only exist to temper inflation.
If anything taxes should be far lower right now because inflation is so low.
>>73401218
>BBC NEWS
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>73403019
wtf are you talking about Bernout?
>>73401535
Agreed but it wont happen, Cruz would end up just making us look stupid we have to slowly work towards it; but GOPe instead allowed dems to slowly walk us the other way instead
>>73402430
How much does hillary pay?
>>73402936
>The poor don't pay any income taxes
How do you define "the poor?" Is it the dying middle class who gets absolutely fucked by income tax compared to, say, Mitt Romney or Warren Buffett?
Anyway, I'm a fiscally conservative Bernie bro. We need to drastically cut back the federal budget, and defense spending is the perfect area to start making cuts.
>>73403286
I understand that English is hard for you, and that "Bernie" is one of those weird proper nouns. If you check the dictionary and read my FP, however, you'll find that I'm not a Hillary supporter.
Thanks for your interest, tovarisch :^)
>>73403307
I assume he means EBT moms
But since you're a berniehernia you deny those exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII
>Anyway, I'm a fiscally conservative Bernie bro. We need to drastically cut back the federal budget
So you're a neoliberal shill too? Typical Berniecucks
>>73403107
Their reporting is certainly hilarious when it comes to gun control in America. I guess it's you Britbongs hugging yourself and wishing the nanny state would just make knife crime go away.
When it comes to American politics, though, they're pretty good at pointing out hard truths. Easy to be brutally honest without a horse in the race.
>>73401763
Cruz's plan was not regressive, it was based on a flat rate unlike our current bracketed system, but it still scaled progressively. It's simple, fair, and easily modifiable. I've been advocating the exact same thing for years and I'm surprised it's taken a politician this long propose it.
>>73403653
While the BBC does some good work, most of the time it's analysis of US domestic news is shameless globalist wanking. There aren't many news sources I would categorically decry, but this is a combination for which I have quite an absence of praise.
his current policy already raises tax on rich by effective tax rate
>>73403542
> Neoliberalism, ideology and policy model that emphasizes the value of free market competition.
A... are you a-anti free markets, anon?
http://www.britannica.com/topic/neoliberalism
>>73403786
>it's flat but it's progressive
This Cruz denial is ridiculous. All a flat tax does is shift the tax burden onto the working class even more than other regressive systems (like social security)
How many times does anyone think "boy social security sure is a great system I wish it worked this way for "everything"
>>73404007
>falling for such an obvious scam
shipping all your jobs to China is not "the free market"
>>73403870
There is no analysis here. There is what Trump said to raise your vote-donger, and what Trump is saying now to prepare you for ultimate cuckery.
From all this BBC-focused issue-doding, I'm surprised we don't see more Russian flags ITT
>>73404116
> shipping all your jobs to China is not "the free market"
Indeed!
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm
>>73404159
RT does some rather good work on US domestic things.
Well, maybe "rather good" is going to far, but it's just so easy to poke holes in our own reporting that you can't blame them for having fun yanking our chains 24/7.
>>73404261
One of the foremost things I like about Bernie is his apparent stance on trade. Maybe you think I'm falling for a load of BS. Maybe I think you're falling for a load of BS. But I think we have a far better shot at it with my pile.
>>73404159
BBC is a shitty neocon propaganda site, but it's not like there are many alternatives
>>73404261
then why do you think that cutting spending is good?
It's a neoliberal scam designed to funnel money into wall street instead of the real economy.
>>73404443
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9293620/BBC-News-uses-Iraq-photo-to-illustrate-Syrian-massacre.html
>>73404419
>RT does some rather good work on US domestic things.
where is the proofs?
>we have a far better shot at it with my pile.
Maybe. But with Trump, who knows? He only appears to care for himself. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance. Bernie's solid in this area.
In Trump's case, past performance indicates you're getting cucked hard, in a straightforward economic interpretation of the metaphor.
This is a good thing. Everyone one /pol/ knows the "1%" are just Jews who manipulate the value of money to make themselves that rich.
>>73401218
So now that Trump's moving to the left for the GE, will /pol/ finally renounce him or just keep making excuses until he's a slightly rightist Hillary?
Tune in next week to find out!
>>73404443
> then why do you think that cutting spending is good?
I'm not sure whose tail you're chasing. Anyway, defense spending cuts mean more money in my pocket, and more of the existing budget to repurpose for e.g. infrastructure spending.
For instance, the DC metro is forced to shut down for maintenance while the MASSIVE defense contractor industry suckles hard on the government teat. Disgraceful.
>>73404116
>This Cruz denial is ridiculous. All a flat tax does is shift...
It's not a strict flat tax, though. The threshold for taxable income makes it progressive and shifts the burden off lower income earners.
>10% flat rate; threshold of $36,000
>make $36,000 pay $0 in income tax; 0% of income
>make $60,000 pay $2,400 in income tax; 4% of income
>make $200,000 pay $16,400 in income tax; 8.2% of income
>make $5,000,000 pay $496,400 in income tax; 9.9% of income
progressive
>>73405052
Lief gets it :^)
>>73401218
These right wing retards will support him no matter what. They're idiots.
>>73404836
>proofs
As with anything, if you want to find them then you have to go search them out. RT is largely a psychological operation, and they're doing about as good a job as you would expect Russia to be doing without totally discrediting itself.
And I agree with your analysis about Trump's past performance. It took me quite some time to come around to thinking I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I'm basically in a holding pattern for now waiting to see if something will come up to convince me that I was wrong or that there is a better alternative come November. Frankly, I don't find Bernie's past performance to be inspiring, but I'd take the time to revisit that conclusion if he were to get through the primaries.
F L I P
L
O
P
A G A I N
AND THE PEOPLE ON THIS SUB-CHAN SERIOUSLY THINKS DRUMPF CAN WIN!
JUST WAIT UNTIL HE FLIPS ON THE WALL
THE TEARS WILL BE DELICIOUS
>>73402846
>proud bipolar
FUCK
Autistic pride is fine, but bipolar? You need fucking treatment, not pride
Where can I be hired? Is the pay good?
>>73402068
Yes, as an American, I trust Pravda to get me accurate news
>>73402430
Didn't Hillary and her campaign actually start that rumor?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26/washington-post-confirms-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/
Funny how everyone fell for the Trump meme and as SOON AS HE HAS it locked in he starts backpeddling and trying to collect some of the Bernie votes.
>>73405715
I think your analogy got lost on the way to the bust stop.
Or, are you
>>73405286
?
jk, 73405286 actually sounds halfway reasonable
>>73405246
FUCKING LMAO
so cmon, trump supporters, explain this shit
>>73405806
Wait... so you be sayin'
that TRUMP fell...
for the Hillary meme?!?!?!?
>>73401218
Raising taxes on the rich means he's going to deal with carried interest. The tax trick that investor jews use to not pay taxes that they should. He has said this all along.
>>73405855
But that was going to happen the whole time. That's how election cycles work.
I hope this isn't a surprise to anybody. I hope nobody is surprised as Hillary takes her own shift to the right to try to pick up more swing voters.
>>73401218
Why is this a bad thing?
Under his current tax cut plan trump would increase the deficit by over 10trillion dollars, even more than obongo.
And the bulk of that is coming from his huge rate slash on top earners, not the fact that people under 50k wil pay no federal income tax.
He understands the arithmetic, you can just slash the rate from 39 to 20 on top earners and expect to balance the budget in any world.
>>73401218
>>73405052
Read the actual article, it's absolutely nothing.
>>73405246
Do you ever sleep?
>>73401218
>Bernie bro
>>73401218
>>73401947
>Bernie bro
You aren't smart. In the real world, you negotiate. He presents his ideal tax, they present their ideal, you haggle a bit and you get it passed congress. For something like tax especially, this is a realistic expectation and is consistent with everything he's ever said.
I'm sure you think Bernie can magic everything he wants passed congress. There's absolutely no way that would happen.
>>73406044
I know, but you just gotta know some of the new guys really thought he was legit with all of his promises. Now he hires someone from G&S months after he shit on Cruz's wife for working there. Trump really is a great politician and fooled a bunch.
>>73406044
That's how AMERICAN elections work, due to fucked-up side effects of our current constitutional process. There are other ways, such as the parliamentary system, which incentivize less political lying / exaggeration.
>>73403475
You're not a Bern victim. Stfu and tell me how much she pays and if she's hiring. I'm way better than you are at shilling.
>>73402299
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I can say the absolute same thing with Trump supporters and Bernie
>>73406348
>I'm way better than you are at shilling
Yes, I'm sure RT trained you well.
Go kneel at your local Lenin statue and beg for more reading comprehension.
>>73401218
Something that hardcore conservatives can't seem to understand is that the huge majority of people would be fine with taxing the rich if it means saving social security and such
You can win the majority of republicans with that message
Trump:
>I'm going to build a wall
President trump:
>congress said we're not building a wall
Trump:
>we're going to ban Muslims
President trump:
>the United nations is going to impose massive economic sanctions if we ban Muslims so were going to allow refugees.
Trump:
>we're gonna bring back manufacturing jobs
President trump:
>bringing back manufacturing jobs will bankrupt or move the biggest industries completely overseas killing the value of the American dollar so that's not gonna happen.
Trump supporters:
>he's allowed to change his mind.
Post presidency trump supporters:
>he fuckin lied to us.
Kek.
>>73406324
I'm with you on that one. It's not only retarded to always be voting for the lesser of two evils but also hanging everything on the CEO of the federal government rather than all the other people to vote in or out.
>>73406191
I'm voting Bernie in part because I know Congress would him in.
I'm posting on /pol/ because Trump's flip-flopping is gr8. I predict that this is only the beginning.
Just kidding, it's only the continuation:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-flip-flops-then-flips-and-flops-more-on-h-1b-visas/
>>73406763
would rein* him in
>>73406490
I'm not reading you wrong, your writing is shit. Thats why I want to nominate myself as your replacement if the pay is adequate. I mean could you at least try being less obvious?
>>73406834
I'm just trolling you, Estoniahead, as you clearly have nothing to contribute to this conversation. You're not giving me much to work with, though...
Why is your posting so low-energy? Is your country getting DDoSed again?
>>73401535
A flat tax has an unequal burden and Cruz's proposed rate of 10% is too drastic a change from what we currently have.
My own plan for when I become a politician is to have 7 tax brackets, which follow as
>below x, the average income per person for the year - 0%
>x - 2x - 10%
>2x - 4x - 13%
>4x - 8x - 16%
>8x - 16x - 19%
>16x - 32x - 22%
>32x+ - 25%
This, along with a law that forbids income taxes above 25% and a complete removal of all tax breaks and loopholes seems like the best approach to me but I'd appreciate feedback
>>73406700
Yeah, pretty much this.
The glory of the Trump campaign is how supporters think, "he will use superior negotiating power to fight for us in Washington!", but really it's "he will honeydick us so hard we'll shit Trump Cum (tm) for days"
>>73401535
>Muh fairness.
>Probably get your logic from skimming Atlas Shrugged and reading about autistic Libertarian philosophy.
>Not understand that ALL empirical evidence suggests flat taxes are a fucking terrible idea.
>Outing yourself as economically illiterate.
t. Thomas Piketty.
>>73402511
>muh bankers waaaaaahhhh
kill yourself reddit
>>73407277
If I weren't economically illiterate I wouldn't be on /pol/
>>73405090
>defense spending cuts mean more money in my pocket,
No, it objectively doesn't
>>73405104
What's the point of calling it a flat tax and abolishing the IRS if it's going to be progressive anyway?
You still need the IRS (or whatever you replace it with) to determine how much people make so you can put them in the right bracket.
>>73401947
wasn't bernie bros seen as "undermining" and wasn't denounced.
I know it's cool to be able to identify yourself with the candidate to some extent, but so really Trumpfags want as president someone that doesn't have a clue about foreign or economic policy. You can btfo his nil awareness just by reading the newspaper once a week.
>>73406457
nah we attack hillary
>>73406457
When was the last time any Trump supporters protested at Bernie rally?
Oh right it was never
Why doesn't Trump do a super progressive tax i.e. 0% up to 50k and 20% %50-70k 25% $70-200k, 30% 200k, and then something like 40% 500K +
>Addresses concerns of inequality.
>Raise revenues from rich with higher brackets and less deductions.
>Low income people get tax cuts.
>???
>Profit?
Also, why does AMerica have such shitty minimum wage laws?
1. It DOES need raising, and
2. Why don't you guys have a minimum wage that increases with age like Australia? You only get the full minimum wage at 18, and before than you get paid a lot less. Doing this will increase the employment of teens and most importantly, those unskilled teens who live in disadvantaged areas and really need a job.
>>73401218
>implying we wanted trump to tax the muh job creators even more
This is actually good.
![1462725787375[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yO7H1DS.png "1462725787375[1].png")
>>73407239
>>73407414
>Being this naive.
/pol/ will defend this.
>wants Congress to discuss the tax plan, just like the Founding Fathers intended
Why is this a big deal?
>>73407414
I've never been to reddit, but I've been promoting the importance of taking down the financial sector on /pol/ for a number of years. Used to be they'd say I was sucking Peter Schiff's cock (I'd get literally the same sequence of replies after the first one lit off) or that I was a Glenn Beck whatever it was.
One of the things I think the Tax Wall St. party has right is the tax plan. The financial system plays arbitrage at a level that makes Trump look like a little kid. Regulation is a nice idea, but disincentivizing it is even better. And then, by that means, the profiteers of the financial collapse get to help pay for the problems they've caused rather than just the dupes.
>>73404007
If you are for bernie you are not fighting for (((NEOLIBERALISM))). At least not in principle, mabye in the defacto
>>73407962
neoliberal shills will do anything to protect wall street
>>73402430
Not a single source to back up the claims in the article, top kek
>>73408010
because before he had it in the bag he ran on not being like those in office and those that do that shit. He got his votes for shitting on negotiation with the enemy
>>73401218
>BBC
>big black cock
nah mayne
>>73408275
No, he said he's good at negotiating. Not for shitting on it. He's not even President and you're already trying to judge his performance
>>73408275
Hm? You are probably thinking of some other candidate, Trump said long ago that after he's president he will probably pay more in taxes.
Also his supporters are mostly poor people.
>>73406763
I don't really care what you're doing. By the way, it's also really obvious you're shilling for Hillary, not Bernie.
>>73408275
what?
Trump always talked about being a "great deal maker"
>>73408275
Are you talking about the who wrote a book called, "The Art of the Deal" getting votes based on promising to not make deals? While all sides were screaming that he was going to negotiate too much and not stick to any principles?
That's what got him votes?
>>73401218
Trump called for higher taxes on the rich back in 2015 when he started his run for president you massive cuck.
Read up on shit before you post.
>>73408452
yeah he always said that
People never pay attention though.
>>73407962
Income Inequality on its own doesn't mean anything
Purchasing power for the middle class is a lot more revealing
Popcorn.
>>73408246
They refer to Politifact. Let me Google that proofs for you:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>>73407797
Did you even read his tax plan?
He wants to get rid of taxation at lower brackets
>>73401218
you have the actual video of Trump interview? i dont trust the media
>>73408592
>Politifact
Lurk more, that site has been debunked more times than one of these threads has been made in the past 10 months
>>73407797
That is practically what it already is.
People don't seem to realise that Tax cuts even if only on middle and lower rates also function as tax cuts for the rich. To offset that so you end up at least keeping effective tax rate on the rich the same whilst cutting it for bottom and middle you have to increase top rates.
If you want to tackle inequality you would have better luck having higher rates well above 50% as rates that high was the only time inequality fell except in recession. Need to change things more than simply window dressing.
>>73408592
>politifact
into the trash it goes
Gary Johnson is the only principled fiscal conservative in the race.
>>73401218
Good. The whole reason I jumped on the Trump bandwagon is because I expected him to make a centrist shift.
Deal with it, republifaggots. He's going the third way.
>>73407633
It's flat in that it uses a single base rate i.e. not brackets. And you're not putting people into brackets. There are no brackets. It works on a gradient. Reporting is simple: "I made this much, so take $36,000 from that and what's left is my taxable income, so here's a check for 10% of that" or however collection is enforced. You'd still need some kind of agency to deal with it, but it could be much smaller and more streamlined with a vastly simplified tax code.
How will you react if Trump doesn't build the wall, but instead promises it in his second term?
>>73406700
>>73407252
>Trump wants fiscal policy to be done through Congress and the States as the Constitution said it should
>this must mean he's going to not just compromise but completely capitulate on all other policy
You guys are terrible shills, at least try to be subtle next time
>>73408830
Gotta love "True Conservatives" whose idea of "conserving" is opening the border for millions of democrat voters to usher in a permanent liberal supermajority.
I don't mind #HillaryMissiles who want open borders, it makes sense, they want power, whatever. But holy shit do I get pissed about anyone who considers themselves vaguely right wing endorsing this sort of thing. That's a special kind of stupid.
>>73408921
It would depend 100% on the specifics, ie congress etc., what got done, etc.
>>73408837
But what about muh wall. If he keeps shifting the wall will end up just being a policy to repaint the fence.
>>73408921
Depends on how exactly that plays out. But I don't think it would take four years for people to start turning on Trump viciously if it turns out we'd all been played for suckers.
>>73407760
Well?
>>73407761
Not really. It has always been about Bernie
>>73407766
>implying the alt-right and /pol/ doesn't constantly talk about Bernie as if he is the frontrunner
>>73408592
http://www.politifactbias.com/p/about-politifact-bias.html
>>73401535
Literally a cuck.
>>73402846
Moar of her please.
>mfw Donald Trump is more liberal than Bernie
>>73409201
You can already see the damage control in this thread. People will hang onto any hope of him not being just another politician, even into his second term.
>>73409267
>implying implications
>>73401218
Why can't Trump lie to us about his policies and the reality of negotiating with socialists and just tell us what we want to hear 24/7 like my favorite shill corrupt politician I'm voting for. :^)
I voted for Donald Trump because he was NOT a conservative. He's much more left-wing than either /pol/ or the media gives him credit for. Certainly he is not a leftest or a progressive, I wouldn't want him to be, but he isn't the muh corporations are people, muh taxes are theft, muh Bible, muh Ronald Reagan is the Second Coming of Jesus conservative.
>>73409233
His economic policy in terms of trade (way bigger deal than taxes; it's literally about sustaining the nation-state) is top of the pack. His foreign policy stance, while maybe not highly developed as yet, is pretty spot on in terms of intentions.
And these are really not two different things. Politics, finance, and economy are all just slightly different ways of looking at the same thing. I'd be a little bit more worried about Trump's psychological character if anything, but it seems as though he's got a pretty good grip on when to play CEO and when to delegate.
>>73409399
Doubtless there are a number of fundies in the crowd, as with any crowd. But it's way premature to say that it's gotten to a point of damage control when nothing has even yet started.
>>73409267
no we definitely attack hillary. we may spit on bernie, and cruz, but we havent had alot of time where hillary is directly relevant to the campaign. except when the hillary shill crusade come to us, like when we try to trace pacs to eachother.
>>73406191
He would never present his ideal tax plan. He would present even more than he wants so when he negotiates he has wriggle room.
Soon 9 May - DAY OF THE VICTORY!!!! Day pain are all nazis and khohols...
>>73409018
Maybe they look at it from this perspective. Mexicans are generally religious, hard working, and conservative but they only vote liberal/Democratic to preserve their own interests. If the Republicans embraced the Mexicans for those ideals they could get them voting Republican in no time.
>>73409395
>mfw biden smashes all expectations of reality by becoming the democrat nominee, and the shills are left awestruck.
>>73408875
>"I made this much, so take $36,000 from that and what's left is my taxable income, so here's a check for 10% of that"
And the government is just supposed to take your word for it?
kek
>>73409701
Happy Victory Day, Russia. Hopefully we don't wind up in another stupid war.
>>73409311
Could you post a link to the Conservapedia article on Politifact? I don't trust politifactbias.com, I think they have a conservative bias.
Reality has a liberal bias. Feel free to refute Politifact's specific claims. I know it's hard to have an actual argument when you can't just scream "bias!," though.
>posting from a news source that just got caught refusing to hire whites.
No.
>>73409483
no hes not a neo conservative.
>>73409267
I rarely think about Bernie unless there's some anti Trump protest or some random (hilarious" slander Clinton is throwing at him.
Like he's a nazi.
>>73401218
>doesn't mention gun control or abortion
$0.04 etc
>>73409771
no reality has a reality bias you faggot.
>>73409609
>H-he's just letting us down easy because he knows he will have to play ball with congress!
>>73409873
Just forecasting there. We'll see!
>>73409730
>If the Republicans embraced the Mexicans for those ideals they could get them voting Republican in no time.
I know that's what they THINK, but no amount of amnesty and favoritism has helped so far. Dubya was still condemned as a white supremacist. Reagan was not loved by them. etc.
>>73410008
He already said he was going to negotiate with congress to get things done.
>>73409752
Way to ignore the literal next words "or however collection is enforced. You'd still need some kind of agency to deal with it"
https://youtu.be/yeJ-iv3MOTo
Well worth the watch everyone.
>>73409018
Because the wealthy like their cheap cleaners.
>>73409994
https://www.quora.com/Does-reality-have-a-liberal-bias
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/53266-it-is-a-well-known-fact-that-reality-has-liberal
FLIP FLOPPIN DON STRIKES AGAIN
I can't wait til he flip-flops on the wall, it's going to be hilarious seeing all these Trumpcucks become Pro-Amnesty
>>73409770
Ty. I agree, the Negro,Chinaman,Caucasian - gob. We need fight with the idiots, idiots - the source of all problems..
>>73401218
So what he really said was, seeing as I've read the article
>In a perfect world using my optimum plan taxes will go down
>However because I'm not a useless GOPe fuck I will work with the democrats and inevitably negotiate
>this means my optimum plan may not be plausible to pass through government
>I may have to negotiate at which point the tax breaks for the richest people will likely be the first things to go
Oh no! What an unreasonable, un-presidential show of maturity and a want to actually get shit done in politics.
You people are fucking retarded I don't agree with Trump on everything but at least fucking read what you post. Sanders supporters are all clickbait headline warriors.
>>73401218
~30 replies
u might just be a bernifag
dude relax its 2016 why are you so mad its only game?
>>73410215
sorry I don't derive my doctrines from those types, I derive them from people like metokur, morrakiu, christopher cantwell.
>>73409771
>Reality has a liberal bias
Says the liberal
That is biased as fuck m8
>>73410317
I'm sure they'll call it amnesty and he'll remind everyone that he'd been saying all along the wall would have a big beautiful door.
I hope the Trump supporters have been listening more closely than the attackers.
>>73410161
Literally children's rhymes.
Anyways, I don't see what the EU refugee crisis has to do with Trump vs. Bernie (I wish...). Merkel made that bed, she gets to lie in it.
>its another trump is a flip flop episode
Trump's swift tack toward the populist centre makes me think he may actually have a shot at the presidency.
The sooner he throws off conservative Republican Party orthodoxy the better for him. A tow-the-line Republican would have no better shot this election than McCain or Romney had; at least with Trump there's a chance he may catch the zeitgeist with something out of the ordinary.
>>73410424
What the fuck is that horrible flag? Go to bed Republik Srpska :)
>>73410215
So the author of the first article is this man, definitely a trustworthy source of information. In the article he makes so many assumptions and contradictions I'mm not even going to start, just read it again with your own bias put aside if you can and you'll see how retarded it is.
The second is a link that looks like an article but is to the quote of a crypto-Liberal 'republican' who's spent his entire life trying to make right wing voters look like cunts and with it he explains his reasoning, well, not at all.
Do you really believe these are arguments? Do you really believe that reality has a bias on a social construct? Do you seriously believe that existence has a bias toward any man made scale? Can you be so stupid?
>>73410317
>"after I'm president I'm probably going to pay more in taxes"
Bad memory I take it? Trump watches out for his constituents.
>>73408567
Good goy.
>>73408569
RARE.
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>>73410434
Cool story. You can start refuting Politifact's specific, researched claims any time
>>73410731
If you get that rare a proxy can you really not come up with some other attention grabbing starved for daddy's love (and cock) comment than 'Popcorn.'? Don't give him (you)s.
>>73410684
you are trying to hard my friend
focus on life and let things unfold
and if you bother posting here
do it on several threads in small amounts
thats how a consensus is formed on pol
anything else is just shitposting and will be disregarded
an with that, my 2nd post i leave this thread :^)
>>73410826
no. there about 5-10x as many people on the right who know politics like the back of their hands.
>>73401218
Absolutely. He's gonna go full on center-left now and pull the rug out from the Hilldawg.
>>73410695
Like the GOP, you seem to have lost the plot.
Instead of focusing on the... what's this thing called... the topic, you've latched on to a single, off-hand troll remark I sprinkled into a troll reply. I bet you think you've won some kinda of actual argument, too.
You're welcome to refute the original post, and Politifact's specific claims on Trump's flip-flopping, at any time.
Was there actually anyone, who believed Trump was one of us?
Trump is only good for pushing the Overton window, and pissing off the establishment cucks.
>>73410956
Made someone mad with my handy-dandy knowledge of shitty Yugo poltiics.
Good, this thread's for Americans.
>>73411089
>arguments are about winning
>>73411098
Trump has said that he will tax the rich more since he started running though...
>>73411200
>>73410997
What are you trying to say? I don't actually understand. Go slow, use your words.
>>73411184
nigger you dont even recognize a fellow shill.
>>73411283
If you dont understand then I don't give a fuck
>>73411089
I replied to one comment you spacker. The same thing could be said about you when you posted the original assumption. I couldn't give a rats ass about Trump flip-flopping I can't even vote in another country but his campaign is entertaining. Your assumption that reality has a liberal bias, which by the content of this reply I'm assuming you've conceded as ridiculous crosses borders and I thought I'd point out it's idiotic basis after I saw that ridiculous hipster faggot who wrote the article.
>>73411089
Now I'd invite you to attack my original post. In which I did attack the main point of your article, which again like the article you posted about liberally biased reality, I doubt you read in full.
>>73410379
And just remember, pic related.
>>73411766
you can still see it in his eyes. death.
>>73405890
>>73404836
You fucking Bernie faggot shill we have IDs.
>>73411509
>>73411568
The ol' double-post, double-reverse false flag! Classic.
>>73411607
Here is an example of what I actually believe on the matter:
"Recently, conservatives have developed the bad habit of accepting the premises of any questions liberals throw their way, and then just taking the opposite side. This puts them on the side opposite the evidence in a lot of cases.
For instance. Liberals believe that we need to take decisive government action on climate change because it is a serious, proven phenomenon that will have (and has already had) disastrous consequences.
Conservatives believe that taking government action on climate change is a bad idea. They believe this based on an ideology that generally opposes government action, believing that expanding government powers limit freedom. They're willing to accept the consequences of trying to manage climate change without government intervention. It's difficult to say for certain if such a sacrifice is worthwhile. It's a matter of political philosophy.
The problem is that it's difficult to explain such a philosophy to voters who generally accept the opposite political philosophy: that government should be the apparatus through which social change takes place. So they don't try to explain it. Instead, they argue that there is no climate change. This is an empirical claim and can easily be tested. It's false.
As someone who is usually more conservative, this annoys me to no end. I swear, if tomorrow some liberal anchor on MSNBC said that all Republicans beat their spouses, there'd be a 5-night special on Fox about how spouse-beating is a time-honored American tradition. It's gotten that bad."
>>73411098
>is poor
>all Trump supporters I've met are poor
>Trump said he's going to pay more taxes after election
>taxing the rich is somehow bad
ok
>>73408294
It kind of fits their cuck narrative
>not taxing filthy rich heebs
What are you, a cuck?
>>73411974
no false flags if you lurked around here you know Bosnian flag is a shill.
>>73401218
To be fair, his plan was pretty unreasonable. Even as a Trump supporter I knew there would have to be some compromise.
>>73405104
>The threshold for taxable income makes it progressive and shifts the burden off lower income earners.
>progressive
That sounds swell, but I don't see that plan being advocated by Ted Cruz. It's truly is like any other Flat Tax plan, but with the modification of deductions. It's nothing new; Rand Paul has a similar plan.
Simple Flat Tax | Cruz for President
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ90Kel-fs0
THE SIMPLE FLAT TAX PLAN SUMMARY
https://www.tedcruz.org/tax_plan_summary/
PERSONAL INCOME TAX – SINGLE RATE: 10%
The Simple Flat Tax creates a simple, single-rate flat tax for individuals. The existing seven different rates of individual income tax will become one low rate: 10%.
• A family of four will pay no taxes on their first $36,000 of income.
• The plan exempts a large amount of initial income for low- and middle-income taxpayers, with a $10,000 standard deduction and $4,000 personal exemption. It also keeps the Child Tax Credit and expands and modernizes the Earned Income Tax Credit with greater anti-fraud and pro-marriage reforms.
• The plan keeps the charitable giving deduction and features a home mortgage interest deduction, capped at principal value of $500,000.
>>73411974
>Explains conservative belief system that is valid and as you said a matter of opinion
>unfortunately there are some stupid people and one network advertises to these stupid people
>therefore
>wait for it
>Trump is a flipflopper
Logically consistent right?
You make an elegant copy pasta, even put quotes instead of greentext to make everyone know you're a smart cookie. I can see why you want to paste it everywhere, look all insightful and what now. Unfortunately it's completely irrelevant to this point and it furthers my belief that this isn't even your opinion, but in fact some copy pasta you found from someone else.
>>73401218
He's gonna sell himself as the liberal choice for all the disheartened Bernies bros who want someone else to cling to after he loses the nomination to Hillary. When their votes are secured, we'll go back to building the wall.
>>73406700
>the United nations
>>73412492
I pasted it from the Quora link. I happen to belieb it. I'm sorry you're intimidated by proofs ((russiachiken))
>>73408875
>It works on a gradient.
He holds the Bible high, puts it down, and then he lies.
>>73409623
>>73409848
That may be true but my observation of the /pol/'s threads is always more focused on Bernie than Hillary
>it is let's laugh at Berniefags thread
>Look how delusional they are after a state defeat thread
>Lol at this fb post from a Berniefag thread
>Bernie is a socialist!!1! thread
Etc etc
>>73412936
This a reactionary forum and bernie makes it very easy to react.
>>73412936
As I Bernie supporter, I also appreciate those threads.
> form actual political opinions on 4chan
Anon, I really hope you don't do this.
>>73412852
>cant even post a macro of the chicken.
>>73408927
There's no compromise for the idiotic shit he's suggested. Everything he's said so far will fuck America into total economic collapse.
But at least the Mexicans and Muslims would be gone though.
>>73413139
/pol/ is not satire jew
>mfw Trump will meme his way to presidency
>>73412425
>First one
Not even vaguely related
>Second one
Not an argument people post their opinions and you say
>yeah but I dislike him so if you like him you must be deluded I'm the poster child for rational arguments
>Third one
I can make up a bunch of hypothetical bullshit too, doesn't make it an argument.
>2003 Hillary Clinton
Marriage is between a man and a woman
>2008 Hillary Clinton
LGBT is not the main issue
>2016 Hillary Clinton
Defending the rights of sexual and ethnic minorities is my biggest priority!
>President Hillary Clinton
Unfortunately the republicans won't let me pass the bills I promised so nothing I said will get done.
>This is you
>>73412852
Well I was hoping to bait you into saying you were that retarded hipster faggot. It is irrelevant. Attacking a voter base in order to say the candidate is bad is ridiculous. It's also liberal shame logic tactics 101.
None of what you have posted is an argument. Nothing you said attacks the main point of anyone's counter argument in this thread. Reply with something on top of the usual ad-hominem, something that attacks the idea that
>bipartisan negotiation is good
>every political party has retarded voters stop cherry picking
>You can't hold Trump responsible for the flip-flopping of politicians who have endorsed him, or indeed the actions of any person who endorses him (i.e David Duke)
>>73401218
He's also saying he wants to raise the minimum wage now.
Looks like he's trying to win Berniecucks. I'm not happy with that.
>>73413312
Perhaps you and Estonia need reading lessons. I am a Bernie supporter. I eagerly await Hillary's indictment.
Anyway, besides lazily trolling Trumpers (you get it, right? you're Welsh after all) the only point I came to make is:
>>73413327
> 2016
> implying Trump was ever on anyone's side but President Trump's
>>73413713
Trump is becoming weak. He's pushing Clinton over Bill's "affairs" instead of exposing him for the rapist that he was and that Hillary silenced the victims.
>>73413966
He has to ration his ammunition over the course of half a damn year.
>>73413713
So you wait for Biden? I do favor Joe Biden for democrat nominee for more political chaos of course.
