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Why don't you care about animal welfare /pol/?
You don't have to go full blown vegan, just be smart and put some thought into your purchases. There's plenty of resources out there which allow you to avoid the evil companies yet I'm willing to bet that none of you do this.
Don't you care about the life of these animals? Or are you mentally ill?
Fuck off hippie
I am being 100% serious when I say that cruelty enhances the texture. The fat is more succulent due to lack of exercise and free movement and the muscle is more tender due to lack of stress. Fuck you if you want to take that from me.
If you think about it, those pigs on the pic wouldn't even exist without humans mass producing them.
So is it better to have never existed at all, or exist in slightly uncomfrotable conditions.
>>73398145
That sounds stupid.
>>73397832
I care about the conservation of at-risk wildlife species and think we as a nation need to do a better job of trying to save endangered animals.
But fuck off trying to get me to feel bad about my bacon and burgers I genuinely don't give a shit about that
>>73397832
Because if I care about animal welfare that means I have to care about niggers too
>>73397832
I would only be concerned if animals were caused unnecessary stress/ suffering. The reality is that demand for animal derived food requires efficient mass production. I can afford to pay a premium for free-range, naturally fed, etc, but most consumers cant handle that premium with their incomes.
>>73398242
Because you are a cuck that sucks nigger dick.
as far as the pig is concerned, it's just laying down. it doesn't know it will die. it doesn't know it could be doing other things. it just is. does it make it morally justifiable? to us, no. to the pigs? they don't fuckin' care.
>>73398145
>slightly uncomfrotable
>>73398258
>i want to preserve species as a curiosity for humans to look at but don't give a shit abut the animals as individuals
>this makes me a good person
>>73398242
that's just a fact.
without human enforcing there wouldn't be nearly as many cows/pigs/chickens as there are now
>>73397832
When they cease being so tasty, I'll begin to worry about how they're being treated.
Especially pigs.
>>73397832
I don't care and I have no problem taking a bolt gun to those pigs. Food has to come from somewhere, what do I care as long as the animal is fit to eat.
>>73398385
>>73398333
no it doesn't. i only care about animals. niggers etc. could (theoretically) look out for themselves.
>>73397832
When I wake up with a banging headache I want bacon and eggs, if an animal has to die for those bacon and eggs so be it.
I care but I rather not know
Ignorance is bliss
>>73397832
>Don't you care about the life of these animals? Or are you mentally ill?
no and no
>>73397832
Because most men are sociopaths. Empathy requires higher executive functions and most of mankind is clinically retarded at present. Prove me wrong.
>>73398824
Can't prove you wrong. You are 100% right.
>>73398385
It sounds stupid because giving life to something doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want to them, you have responsibilities even if you pretend that you don't.
>>73398333
Not quite, animals can provide meat, eggs and milk. You ought to treat them well since they they provide delicious goods. Maybe I'm coming of as a moralfag here.
>>73398432
>as far as the pig is concerned, it's just laying down
KEK. The pig is just like why the fuck I got these legs for
>>73398824
Yes, I have learned that, except for a very small number, what we call "morality" and "virtue" is just an arbitrary set of values and prejudices that society agrees upon. If something is completely morally reprehensible even by an extension of these values, but society arbitrarily accepts it, most people don't have the willpower to feel moral outrage against it.
>>73398961
You do understand some animal lifeforms are bred for slaughter and eating, correct? They serve no other purpose whatsoever. Do you think having a fucking cow run in the wilderness would have a prosperous life?
I don't believe in torturing the animals. But I bet getting a nice shock to the fucking head and being one and done is much better than being ravaged by a wolf while you're still alive.
>>73399601
They exist to live and be free in open scrub, not to be factory farmed a trillion times over until humans stop existing as we are now.
>>73397832
Blah blah blah shut the fuck up Limey
>>73399601
It's not just the death. I don't think you realize just how bad life in a factory farm is. No consideration at all is given to the comfort or happiness of these animals. Since treating them horrifically comes out cheaper, they don't give it a second thought. You should look at some of these factory farm videos and just place yourself in their head and imagine what it would be like, all your life.
>>73398961
>you have responsibilities even if you pretend that you don't.
They aren't torturing the animals. Hell, the pigs have it better than some other animals in the wild, at least they aren't being maimed by predators, and get fed regularily.
Like 100 years ago it was unheard of that your regular guy could have affordable and easily accesible meat on the table whenever he wants. And now we do.
But of course, whenever we have something nice, some fucking dumb cocksucker like you comes along and starts whining "B-b-b-but is the pig okay?" No, the pig is not okay. It's gonna die and its whole pig family is gonna die and be eaten. And if the pig doesnt like it, well maybe it should have evolved a little faster instead of bathing in mud and looking for truffles.
>>73399854
>open and free
Tell me how livestock can live in the wilderness successfully.
>>73397832
>Why don't you care about animal welfare /pol/?
I do care about animal welfare, anon. I was horrified when Zimmerman was acquitted for shooting that poor monkey.
>>73398824
Empathy towards humans is good, since it is necessary to maintain a stable and peaceful society, but empathy towards food animals is just plain irrational.
We gain nothing from expending more on the care of a soon-to-be-bacon pig than is necessary to keep it alive long enough to maximize its meat yield.
>>73399359
>but society arbitrarily accepts it
Through subversion. Accepting truly imoral things based on agreed values do not happen naturally.
>>73399962
Look - first off, most of these 'factory farm' videos are outside of the US. New Zealand and China are some of the worst. Like I said earlier, I don't agree with the torturing of animals or having a disgusting living condition. You can see many farms where cattle roam free, graze and are treated fairly. My point remains that livestock and other animals bred for food and raising can not live a better life outside of farm life assuming that farm life is ethical. You ever seen a bambi get their shit pushed in?
There's organizations like Foster Farms which have brutal methods of slaughter. I choose not to eat their shit.
>>73400443
>There's organizations like Foster Farms which have brutal methods of slaughter. I choose not to eat their shit.
You realise you are among the 99.9 percentile by doing this right?
The vast majority of Americans just buy the cheapest meat off the shelf and don't think about what's inside it or where it comes from. Same with Brits too, to a smaller extent though because of our Muslim demographic.
>>73397832
I do. I won't eat meat that isn't at least free range, and I've been cutting even that down to a few times a week at most.
This is beneficial both in terms of animal welfare and the environment.
>>73400751
Trust me - I know. But I feel much better with making a choice like that. Also it's nice to support smaller and local farms as opposed to a large corporation.
>>73398145
To never have been born is best of all.
pssh PAIN and SUFFERING makes BACON more TASTY muahahaha
>>73400011
I'm saying that the fact that other animals have it worse doesn't justify the treatment you give your own animals. If you're able to, you should give them the opportunity to roam and live, not just survive.
>>73398365
>most consumers cant handle that premium with their incomes
Then they should eat meat less, or not at all.
DAE think bacon is the greatest food ever invented? xD
>>73397832
>care about the life of these animals?
nope they are food
>>73397832
>care about the life of the meat I'm going to eat
It was never a life to begin with, dummy.
It's food. It doesn't have 'a life' beyond growing to a size large enough to feed many people.
Are you mentally ill? Who the fuck cares if your food is 'stress free'?
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.
>>73401228
>pssh PAIN and SUFFERING makes BACON more TASTY muahahaha
This is a perfect example of what I love about 4chan
Animals don't worry about life or death, they live then die. Why should we care if they don't.
>>73401369
Drop off a cliff, my friend
>>73401369
Bacon smells good, but I don't like the taste or texture of it.
>>73397832
>not buying from local farm
Shiggy
>>73397832
yes I'm trying but anyone who isn't a fucking alien loves meat too
>>73401545
Kinda hard if you live in a big city.
>>73401369
lmao yep
like if u would jump on a kitten just to get like a ton of bacon ;) now that would b p epic
>>73398145
>slightly uncomfrotable conditions
They're only produced to live through torturous lives.
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>>73401430
Totally agree anon. It's all meat, there's no life.
Brb guys, taking a shovel to my dogs head because I feel like meat tonight. I have a MAJOR headache so it's worth it.
>>73397832
I'm fine with government regulation to ensure farm animals are treated well, as long as imported meat it held to the same standards.
But I'm not going to pay extra for some bullshit sticker that's only designed to boost margins.
>>73401641
now loog at dis delicus snack :---DDDDD
*licks lips*
>>73401641
>he wouldn't eat dog if it was all that was available
Good on you, anon. We're overpopulated as it is.
I'd eat your freshly dead corpse to survive, and if you wouldn't do the same you're a cuck faggot that deserves to have died anyways.
I already do.
I only eat meat that I hunt myself.
It's the anti-consumerist option, as many of the problems surrounding meat have to do with placing profit above all other considerations. It is unsustainable.
>>73401641
I wouldn't mind dog meat if they had an OK life.
>>73401754
THIS
then I'd go to u rwife and rape her while wearing ur face as a mask
>>73397832
They're just tools and resources to me
>>73401545
I prefer my meat slaughtered.
I only have a tiny kitchen plus I'm lazy.
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Would you eat a cat /pol/?
You weren't staring, but your only alternative was a plate of spinach and broccoli.
You'd also get a 5oz steak tomorrow to reward you for not killing the cat.
>>73397832
>Why don't you care about animal welfare /pol/?
Why do you think I hold a firearms licence?
>>73397832
>you're mentally ill if you're not as much of a bleeding heart faggot as me
are you the ill one?
>>73402210
5oz isn't alot.
I'd eat that entire cage-full of CAT MEAT to avoid starving.
>>73402210
I suppose I'd try it.
Same with dog.
Maybe even human depending on who it came from and what part of the body.
Dogs have been raised to be companion animals, not meat. So eating dogs is just retarded.
If there was a species of dog specifically raised for meat eating, it'd be different.
>>73397832
idk.
>>73402351
When it comes down to you or the dog, you're gonna choose the dog every time.
>>73402210
NO
>>73402346
Just don't eat the brain and you're ok. It depends on the age for the taste.
>>73402210
Spinach and broccoli is delicious and real fucking good for you, anon.
I wouldn't eat a cat. Might eat a baby human, though.
>>73397957
First post, best post.
>>73402210
If it tastes anything like tiger I'd pass.
>>73402431
In like an apoc situation the dog is going to starve anyway might as well put it out for mercy in the first place.
>>73397832
>Never sitting on a soft leather lounge again
No thanks
>>73402439
Any human meat is a serious infection risk.
>>73402501
>he can't provide food for both himself and his dog
just end yourself anon. my dog will never starve, i'll find a fucking way, i'll murder you if i have to just so he has a full belly tonight & im vegetarian
>>73397832
We only buy meat from a local farmer.
Is a bit more expensive but tastes better (and we know what they really eat / get vaccinated with)
>>73402501
>not hunting with the dog for far better chances of success
We didn't breed them as companions for their looks
>>73402620
that's good anon, highly commendable and admirable thing to do.
if only more people did the same thing. they'd support local business, eat better quality meat and it'd only cost them a bit more.
the way /pol/ obsesses over meat im surprised they eat the shitty cheap stuff from factories.
>>73397832
>Why don't you care about animal welfare /pol/?
But I do. I have the firm belief that if you abuse your pets, wildlife, or other animals that are to be loved and appreciated then you're going to the deepest pits of hell.
Livestock, however, were not raised with the intention of being loved. They were raised to be food.
There is a clear difference between a pet pig and a livestock pig.
>>73397832
>people with american flags considering eating a dog
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
>>73400150
And what if humans have made themselves the enemies of all life? Then empathy for humans becomes suicide and empathy for nature OVER humans becomes not only logical but the only path of sanity.
The fact is, humans are a subset of organic life, yet they represent a threat currently to all life, including themselves. Therefore it's actually MORE logical to care about trees or pigs than it is to care about humans.
>>73402811
It's because most /pol/ posters are unemployed, bitter, frustrated virgins. They can't afford quality meat. Their attitude toward animals is a post-hoc rationalization of their food purchasing habits. Quite pathetic, really.
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>>73402943
Pigs are proven to be smarter than cats and dogs, and many people keep some breeds as pets.
Would you be okay with eating dog if there was a type of breed that was bred to be food, that had more leaner and larger cuts of meat?
>>73397832
>believing what a package tells you.
So I wonder, those eggs you buy, how do you know those chickens roam free? Hell, how do you know you are even eating real, unmodified eggs?
>>73397832
>Why don't you care about animal welfare /pol/?
Because I eat those animals
There is nothing worse they will ever endure than being digested by my stomach acids
You're a faggot if you give a shit about animals when there is no real humane way to treat them anymore due to the massive amounts we have to breed and kill in order to feed our populations now days
>>73403416
Dogs and cats are smarter than human infants. I'm therefore in favor of eating human infants.
>>73399359
>he doesn't read moral philosophy
>>73398145
>slightly uncomfrotable[sic]
What would you do for a pig?
>>73403416
Dogs aren't primary consumers, ya dingus.
>>73403416
I'd eat downright anything if I wuz hungry enough. So would the dog and pig btw.
>>73402210
I can't imagine that cat would even be palatable. Dog MAYBE, and even that sounds risky. I never even liked venison. Honestly, I don't know how people can stomach most meats. Pork is fatty and gross, Venison is bitter, Turkey is DRY AS FUCK even if it's swimming in water it still has a dry texture. Even beef is mostly disgusting unless you prepare it in very specific ways or hide it in other things like hamburgers so you don't have to contend with the chewy, nasty texture. Chicken is greasy as shit unless you prepare it just right, etc. Honestly, fish and seafood are some of the only meats that you don't have to practice some form of alchemy on to make edible. I think most people - particularly Americans have extremely low standards for food taste and texture.
>>73403451
>there is no real humane way to treat them anymore due to the massive amounts we have to breed and kill in order to feed our populations now days
One solution is for more people to become vegetarian and/or vegan.
Another is to stop growing the human population, and instead shrink it. (We don't even have to go killing people, just stop having babies.)
>>73398145
>slightly uncomfortable
I would rather not live than to live in those conditions
I do, in all honesty kin
decided 7 years ago I would not eat meat from the industrial machine anymore. living in a city, that means for all intents and purposes I'm now a vegetarian. feel much better morally, seen too many sickening overcrowded feedlots
>>73397832
But I do. I only buy from smal locals to support their better treatment.
If everybody would do that we would have no problems here.
Also that meat just tastes better
>>73403770
No, the solution is simple. People need to realise that eating meat every single day is actually BAD for you, and has a range of health effects like high cholesterol and clogged arteries.
Once a month for red meats. Eat fish/seafood/egg as much as you can though.
>>73403979
>le bacon meme
You know where to fuck off to.
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>>73398145
>>73404051
That depends on the meat, doesn't it? Skinless chicken breast every day is a lot less bad for you (heck, it's a great source of lean protein) than beef every day.
/pol/ doesn't give a shit about poor animal welfare unless it's non-white and Muslims doing it
>>73404051
People in Britain have only eaten meat every day in the last 20 years or so, When my dad was a child they did a survey in class about how often you eat meat with your tea/dinner.
The most common answer was three days a week, the highest was five and there was a few students who only had it once a week.
This wasn't due to the health stuff you talk about it was acutally cost.
I'm a vegetarian during the weekdays and only eat meat during the weekend (mostly beef or pork and never from industrialized farming).
>>73397832
I bet you support halal slaughter because "muh Muslim guests have special food needs!" in the same breath you fucking shithead.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v48ooB7pG2c
>>73404349
Muslims only care when they get caught with their pants down.
If you can't afford organic, local, free range, cruelty-free meat then you shouldn't eat meat.
>>73403223
>most of /pol/ is x
That's some bloody amazing projecting there, mohammed.
Does sharia allow for that?
Every been on a farm and worked with animals? Cows are fucking stupid as shit but at least they can keep themselves alive reasonably well but you still don't feel bad about eating them after chasing the fuckers around all day.
Chickens and Turkey on the other hand are so dumb that you have to put them inside during rainstorms so they don't drown from looking up. Hundreds of them die every quota cycle. Fuck chickens.
>>73404312
Ground worms is even better, both economically, environmentally and nutritionally.
>>73404699
>mohammed
>sharia
No muhammads up here, it's too cold for them.
>>73397832
who the fuck cares about how pigs, chickens and cows are treated they have no use other then to be eaten by the apex predators (us). This is how the world works and will work until the end of time.
>>73404699
Thinking is /x/ rated.
>>73403799
>i am not capable of creating the living conditions which i am comfortable with
are you an abo?
>>73398085
>everything is all about me
>>73398145
The irony of a kike saying that other sentient life should be grateful to live in the conditions you never shut the fuck up about about when it comes to your fellow kikes.
>>73404846
you need to justify your actions when you cause suffering and death to other sentient life.
>>73404660
theres no such thing as cruelty free meat.
>>73404660
Wow, your curt admonition single-handedly destroyed the meat industry!
>>73404582
no, and anyone else who does is a hypocrite. All slaughterhouses are fucked up. I dont care for religious sensitivities.
>>73405045
Exactly.
>>73398145
If you think about it, those kids in the cellar wouldn't even exist without Josef producing them.
So is it better to have never existed at all, or exist in slightly uncomfrotable conditions
>>73405048
Good.
>>73405149
Yep.
Don't procreate. Become vegan.
>>73397832
I don't eat meat, it's absolutely digusting. Besides if I see anybody buying industrial food which didn't had good life. Im fuckin going to murder than person
>>73398085
This isn't true. Today's meat has much less flavor when the chickens and other animals were 1/3 the size they are today.
>>73399854
>to live free in the wilderness, where a low tier herbavore will be hunted by larger predators
everything on earth exists only to die. we only made it more streamline
us westeneres should be leading the way to not eat corpses
>healthcare and chonic disease costs will drop drastically - the NHS needs this.
> animal agriculture is responsible for 50% of global warming
> it is cruel and unjustifiable to cause suffering and death when there is no valid non hypocritical argument to defend it
but nope, we just wanna act like savages bcus MUH BAKON HUEHUEHUE
>>73405006
the justification is that these are the best uses for these animals to humans. we don't need to morally justify the act of killing a far lesser species.
What does it matter to me? Why should I care?
>>73397832
Because I'm a cheapskate who loves Bacon.
>>73405251
procreation has fuck all to do with veganism, take your SJW bullshit out of the vegan movement, its not wanted.
>>73398824
The smartest people are savage libertarians.
There is no empathy, all that exists is ego. It is why philanthropists have foundations thst are named after them, instead of just donating to causes thst already exist.
It is a function of selling people something they can't buy otherwise.
Thousands of card and hobby shops and none of them run magic drafts at costs. All sorts of crazy millionaires and none of them have opened a free arcade.
when i learned that pigs are smarter than dogs and just as capable of emotional connections, i stopped eating pork.
i also stopped eating cow because the industry is causing severe harm to our planet.
i still eat birds and fish, but it's possible that i may stop eating those as well once i adjust.
>>73405381
>we dont need to morally justify it
yes we do. Unless you wanna name the trait animals do not possess that when absent in humans we would accept treating them like how we treat farm animals
>/pol/ will out-edge each other ridiculing death and suffering of conscious, feeling animals
>/pol/ will also pop a blood vessel over killing a creature the size and neural capacity of a frog
I feel like there's some discrepancy of beliefs here.
>>73397832
>caring about pigs, cows and chickens
Get it together, homo.
>>73405739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
next time, try using logic to say why killing animals for trivial reasons is ok
>>73405502
It's nothing to do with SJW bullshit. It's about reducing suffering.
Save a life, by not reproducing.
>>73405568
>t. spineless faggot millenial
The world we live in was forged by lessons of cruelty and savagery.
This 'safe space' fictional society you believe you live in does not exist.
There is a monster behind every door, weak faggot.
>we harmin da planet!
Grow the fuck up.
>>73405692
>/pol/ is one person
cuck
>>73405896
>>73405977
>>73405896
so you are not actually gonna say why harming the planet is acceptable? Or do you just wanna keep inside your survival fantasies
>there is danger round every corner, so i must therefore torture and kill animals
grow up.
>>73405844
i get it to an extent, but realistically, muslims wont adopt that stance, then we will be out populated by them...then we have halal slaughter everywhere. Fucking up the vegan movement.
>>73405328
We had free range chicken and swine at home.
While it's true that the meat you buy in stores tastes differently, the meat of free range chicken is tough and wiry, the lower layer of their skin is thick and incredibly fat, and their breasts are much, much smaller.
Haven't seen that much of a difference in pork, I only remember than one year we fucked up something about their diet and they had tons of fat but barely any meat on them.
>>73406071
Get the fuck back to your echo chamber, plebbitor.
>>73397832
Well treated animals taste better. Am I mentally ill no I am not a vegetarian or vegan.
>>73397832
>Don't you care about the life of these animals?
Not really. I just care about the taste and the price
>>73397832
>Or are you mentally ill?
we're on 4chan numbnuts
>>73405823
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
this one is actually 90% of arguments on /pol/. you may wanna keep it in hand
>>73406133
>>73405598
until cows or pigs or chickens start starting companies, innovating new technologies and paying their taxes. They are lesser then the human and should be killed and eaten.
also read this
>>73405330
>>73405692
>implying that an animals life means more than a humans life
>>73397832
>Don't you care about the life of these animals? Or are you mentally ill?
ONLY TWO CHOICES? Thats how predators and marketers sell things
First off this post is Racist. It going to raise the prices putting minorities down.
Being a hippy is not a choice its a PRIVILEGE and its time you checked it
>>73406159
so explain why taking the stance of not killing animals is mentally ill?
wait..
>>73406197
already had that tab open matey :) now i can just refer to your post doe
>>73406099
Short of planet-wide nuclear annihilation, we are incapable of harming our planet.
Take your bullshit feels argument back to tumblr.
>>73397832
>Why don't you care about animal welfare /pol/?
I do, but only as far as it increases the quality of the products I consume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrRqi8-Y8ak
This is how we should be raised animals for human consumption. I am aware this means that we won't have as much meat to eat, and that it will cost more.
But that's all benefits. We consume way too much meat as it is for our own health. And what we would get to consume under these methods has much higher quality and taste.
If you don't believe me, take the time to find some pasture raised pork, poultry or cattle in your area and compare the taste of it to factory raised. It's out of this world.
You'll be more than willing to have less and for a higher price.
>>73398145
>So is it better to have never existed at all, or exist in slightly uncomfrotable conditions.
When you live like these pigs I'll take this idea seriously.
Kill yourself then you can make the comparison.
>>73406279
>>73406204
>>73406071
>he visits reddit enough to have saved these images
cuck
Carnist psychosis should really be classified as a mental illness that it is.
>>73406243
so your justification for making animals suffer is because they cannot make a computer.
So would that justify aliens killing humans>? because they are more advanced with tech?
It is irrelevant also, the other comment please see>>73406197
>>73397832
im eating different kind of meatproducts right now and i dont give a single fuck about YOUR opinion!
>>73406371
>>73406249
never said that. An ant has less moral value than a mouse, however that does not justify causing that mouse to suffer. Same works with Humans
vegans who say we are all equal are idealists.
It's bad, but going vegan won't change anything.
>>73406099
>realistically, muslims wont adopt that stance, then we will be out populated by them
I don't think it's limited to just muslims. Most people will aggressively defend their desire to breed, quality of life for their offspring be damned.
I realize that my views are shared by very few other people. I am under no illusion that what I preach will ever catch on among more than a small handful of others.
>>73406279
>i will deny global warming to justify killing animals
>facts are feels
>>73406071
>>73406204
>>73406357
>>73406469
Yes, we know where you came from, maplenigger.
>>73397832
How can you be such an insane hypocrite to want to treat something nice before you eat it?
>>73406630
>>73406254
One does not have a right to eat meat, if one cannot afford it.
>>73397832
how am i legitimately supposed to find out if my hamburgers were kept in a cage? do i have to visit every farm my butchers buy from?
>>73406594
>global warming exists
>must be humans fault!
>let's tax everyone yaaay!
cuck
>>73406582
i just dont think its suitable for this time
many orphans need homes and our population is out of control, but again its third world countries that need to know this.
>>73406695
humans have sped it up yes, and im not ever saying taxing people im saying to stop killing animals and eating the animal corpses, because there is no valid and justifiable reason to do so.
>when /pol/ is politically correct and loves meat. *too lazy to insert crooked jew image here"
>>73406695
>>73406279
deluded
>>73406313
moral relativist degenerate / autist
>>73406394
2bh
>>73406453
contract gonorrhea
>>73406714
I wonder whether we should stop sending aid to those countries.
It depresses local prices and makes it impossible for local farmers to compete, putting them out of business, and making it impossible for those countries to develop.
It also allows an otherwise unsustainable population to survive thanks to handouts, and that in turn creates a new generation that also needs handouts in order to survive, and the problem simply continues.
>>73406806
>stop eating meat
Why? Because you think it's inhumane? You realize that these animals would eat you in a heartbeat, right?
Survival at any cost. You're only alive right now because your ancestors were omnivorous, and many died horrible deaths hunting dangerous animals, trying to keep their families alive.
You disrespect the people who came before you and died to bring you to this point in time.
>>73406437
the difference is that we CAN advance our own kind just like the aliens you talk about CAN or already have. Pigs and cows and chickens just sit around in grass fields shit, eat and sleep.
I'm not saying it is because we are more advanced then their species that we should kill them it's cause we have the ability to advance our species and they don't. Therefore they are lesser and should be used in best way possible.
>>73406437
Too bad ayy lmaos don't exist.
We're the apex predator!
Woo-hoo! :^)
>>73407067
yeah a pig would eat me in a heartbeat mate, it is also irrelevant. The fact a wild lion would eat you, does not justify you, a human, who is meant to have higher moral agency, killing animals
Iam oly here because my ancestors raped as well, that does not justify rape. We should not base our morals of ancient men, but then again you have a deluded state of history.
>>73407150
That still does not justify causing suffering and death to sentient beings. Plenty of humans are incapable of doing basic things, that does not justify causing them to suffer.
>>73407165
Appeal to nature
>>73406258
Vegetarianism and veganism are purely cerebral processes. Unless their is a physical reason to pursue them.
It's all in your mind.
Mental illness is defined as a deviation form accepted or normal, mental processes. Both deviate from acepted normal, mental processes. It is a condition that impacts a person's thinking, feeling or mood and may affect his or her ability to relate to others and function on a daily basis.
Do I need to say more.
>>73407348
What exactly does your 'higher moral agency' serve you when you're starving, it's winter and nothing is growing, and all that is left is a wild animal or your family?
Your ridiculous dogma won't save you from starvation.
>>73397832
>muh animal feelings
They're fucking animals get over it.
>>73407165
that we're capable of improving life for our own species and others and haven't makes us more not less worthy of being factory farmed by ay lmaos
>>73397832
>>73397832
Good luck with that, people will defend stuff that makes them feel good even if it isn't justifiable. Look at all the people who drink and watch porn and still claim to not be degenerate.
Ah well
>>73407004
>moral relativist degenerate / autist
How is anything I said moral relativity or autism? It's a win/win scenario. Animal welfare goes up, meat quality goes up. Over consumption goes down.
There's only benefits.
>>73407488
that unrealistic scenario...you gonna ask what id do on a deserted island next?
Obviously i would eat to survive you fuking retard
>>73407444
so you are suggesting because not killing animals is not the norm then it must be a mental illness? And how is any of what you wrote justification for killing animals?
>>73407499
YOU ARE AN ANIMAL
also nothing you wrote justifies the current animal holocaust
>HURR DURR I GOTTA PROVE HOW MANLY IAM BY EXPLITING WEAKER ANIMALS WHEN I HAVE NO REASON TO EAT THEM DURRRRR
>>73405539
>Libertarians are smart
I see you just had your first college class and feel like a big man. I bet you don't even peepee in your big boy pants anymore.
>>73407348
>Humans have higher moral agency
Lel it's like you haven't met humans. I know what your point was but that's exactly the problem. Every single cunt claiming they have a right to kill and eat animals because they feel like it and can't be stopped are literally no better than any other animal, but get offended as shit when you suggest eating them or often a dog (arbitrarily).
>>73407644
just not significantly or for the morally relevant parties
>>73407699
>REEEEEE
>>73407699
>it's unrealistic that humans are going to have to choose between eating meat or starvation
>calling someone else a retard
wew lad
you've lived too sheltered a life to be rational.
gas yourself.
EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD WATCH THIS VIDEO
just fukin admkit you were wrong and move forward like a real alpha ffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqDkY3aNAY
>>73407911
no i just dont live in a third world country. I struggle with money, but im not in a fucking tribe. Also see above.
>>73407828
>just not significantly or for the morally relevant parties
Did you look at the fucking video I posted? How can you say that isn't a significant improvement on animal welfare? Hell it's objectively better for them than any alternative, including unsupervised nature. Because in this case they don't get killed by being slowly eaten from the crotch first, or have to suffer multiple starvation.
As for the morality aspect, I don't get that either. We'd have animals that live a comfortable, safe life in exchange for their produce and eventually their meat. No one is losing in this scenario.
>>73408113
they have the ability to not be eaten in the wild. It is not up to you to decide for them, you are not in charge of anybodys fate...
>>73408045
>>73407699
I suggest it is a mental illnesses. Or at least an emotional problem.
Why should I need to justify killing animals? Do I also need to justify killing plants?
>>73397832
Factory farms are cancer.
Not just because it's a horrible way to keep livestock, but because the meat that caged animals produce is fucking disgusting, chock full of chemicals and bad hormones.
Free range organic meat is red pilled.
>>73408486
no obviously not, because plants are not sentient.
Animals are, i would need to justify killing a dog just like society should need to justify killing pigs. They are very similar animals. Belly rubs all round
see this video>>73408045
>>73408113 if they're worthy of consideration at all, not systematically confining, slaughtering, and raping them is the least we can do; focusing on how their treated in the meantime is completely myopic
>>73408234
>they have the ability to not be eaten in the wild.
It's a gamble. With us (if we go back to pasture raising of course) they get a guarantee of a comfortable life lacking in nothing but is overall shorter.
In nature, they COULD live a long, fulfilled life. But they could also get a short, brutal one filled with famine and ending in pain. Guess which is more common on average for prey herbivores?
Not only that, but attachment makes it so certain beasts are kept alive for exceedingly long periods with us too.
Seriously go watch videos of predators eating prey and tell me nature is nicer than we are.
Or do you want us to altruistically care for all animals with no benefit to ourselves?
>>73408631
>plants are not sentient
They are, plants feel pain like we do.
In fact, when plants are being consumed from the tree(Not plucked plants, which are dead), they release a scream at an extremely high frequency, way out of the human hearing spectrum, that tells other plants that it is being eaten. The other plants then release toxins in their body that in significant quantities, can kill the animal that is eating them.
Basically. If we're going down, you're going down with us.
Plants are fucking hardcore
>>73408625
good post
one day humans will realize there is no way to win on Earth and all off themselves. all life will suffer, no significant amount of people will ever change to paths of less suffering, and you'll all be cucked as the Sun laughs because it is a big ass ball of gas and doesn't care about life.
>>73408947
[citation needed]
>>73408905
what happens in the wild is irrelevant, it does not justify you killing them
>>73408947
ffs, you are the reason my country is going to shit.
Plants are not sentient, they cannot subjectively experience reality. They have no brain, no nervous system or nerve receptos so stfu.
Also if plants are sentient and can feel pain then being vegan would still win, as more plant death is needed to feed the animals we kill.
>>73409102
>what happens in the wild is irrelevant
It is entirely relevant. If they get a better life with us than in the wild, then they are benefiting from their relationship with us. But nothing is ever free.
>>73409016
edgy
>>73408947
even if that were true, meat production would require more plant 'suffering' than veganism
>>73397832
I care man. Poor piggers
>>73408947
>they intelligently react to touch like my smoke alarm so they must be sentient
>>73409224
plenty of animals live happily in the wild, leave them alone and focus on our own species.
the best thing for animals would be for all of us to go extinct
but the earth was not created for animals, it was created for us. we are not it's children, the earth is not our mother, it's more like our sibling.
animals don't have free will and they will die horrible deaths anyway, giving them a bullet is merciful compared to what they get in the wild.
>>73409032
Fowler, M. E. 1983. Plant poisoning in free-living wild animals: a review. J. Wild. Diseases 19: 34-43
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligent-plant
>>73408631
Ah,so your classification of life is, is it sentient.
A plant can solve a maze. A plant reacts to stimulus, a plant reacts to its environment.
Just because you are unable to recognise consciousness. That may be down to your prejudice, not its absence.
>>73397832
I really don't give a shit if animals that were born and bred for tens of thousands of years, so that their sole existence is to feed us, suffer before they die and wind up on my plate.
You know what I see in your picture? Bacon and pork chops. That's it.
But of course some britcuck will complain about pig farming practices, since pork is haraam, ain't that right, Muhammad bin London?
>>73409767
>>73409597
>>73409597
that does not prove sentience, it proves plants react intelligently to touch. Your liver does the same types of things, your liver cannot suffer and it is not sentient.
Aagain what does this have to do with you killing animals? This is a red herring fallacy.
You better start writing your thesis on how conciousness can manifest itself without a brain, you will win a nobel prize.
>>73409823
You must be blind if you can't also see pork shoulder.
>>73409823
nope, we argue it because there is no reason to cause these sentient beings to suffer. But keep going with your ebin maymay attacks shitposter.
>>73398647
You could have just said "when I wake up"; we all know your drunk mick ass wakes up hungover every single day.
ITT: many memes about lack of pain receptors when it's proven animals (yes including you) and plants have pain receptors. (save a few mutants but who cares about them)
the lack of reasoning ability (e.g.self awareness) does not disallow sentience.
to dumb it down further for /po/tards: me hit dumb dumb, dumb dumb go ouchie. wow!
>Not using nukes.
>It's 2016.
>>73410144
>pigs
>sentient
Faggiest post award goes to Mr. 1E0ujlza.
>>73408947
>They are, plants feel pain like we do.
No they don't. Not even remotely. This is just a dumbass claim that meatfags make to try to make vegans look dumb, which only results in making meatfags look even more retarded. Plants are sentient, but they don't feel pain because they don't have neurons. You are correct that plants don't want to be eaten, the difference is, you can eat plants while doing significantly less damage and causing less suffering than by eating animals. Edible fruits, for example are literally produced by plants for animals to eat.
>>73409823
The reason you don't "give a shit" is because you let society decide your social values; ie, you are morally weak-willed.
>>73409596
>>73409952
more edgy nihilistic bullshit
>>73410286
pigs are obviously sentient
1 of many videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awNjy7OMG8I
>>73410286
You sure are dumb, Cletus.
>>73397832
fuck you vegan fair trade hippies youre the reason why chicken and pork are so expensive
fucking hell 99 cents a lb is robbery
>>73409952
So would have no problem eating liver, it's nice with onions.
The plant does not have to prove its self sentient, to overcome your prejudice.
But I suggest you need to prove why a perfectly innocent life form. Should be persecuted by you.
Why is its life of less worth than the beast that massacres it.
>>73410729
Can't afford it? Don't eat it.
>>73397957
>>73410729
agricultural subsidies are the reason it was ever affordable to begin with, so fuck you, too - we could be subsidizing avocado.
>all those vegan hippie shits
every time, no rational explanation other than "muh feelings"
worse degenerates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdKky0zck78
i wish there was Hell so we could all burn in it like the parasites we are for the rest of eternity. life is just a multiple choice quiz that you feel like you're answering yourself. but we will never have time to consider more than a few choices at any given moment.
>literally all these veganfags could be yelling in the streets, shitposting, shaming other automated beings 'til the end of their lives, and accomplish null
>moralfags never consider entropy and the meaninglessness of life.
>everyone remaining on Earth that can kill themselves and take as many possible with them is a cuck.
>this thread will die. all of us will die. embrace it. Praise Lord Kek.
>>73397832
Age of the Beast is over cuck, its our time now.
>>73412339
Good argument, friend
I have gone off processed meats that mean pork largely. I only buy free range eggs. Still having my boeuf. Lamb is always too fatty.
>>73398145
>slightly uncomfortable
>>73411908
projecting; rtft
>>73412339
>>>/r/bacon
>>73404953
>Finland
>Kike
>>73397832
Pussy as Brit cuck
>>73397832
The alternatives are more expensive, and (in the case of the vegan alternatives) often taste a lot worse, so can't be arsed.
>>73412583
what's wrong faggot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsdBym3_18Y
>>73402609
Make sure he eats the brain, too.
>>73404645
Hehe, because goat fuckers.
>>73404051
Nice source, lad.
>>73397832
Its a shame that you cucks win so many people over by imposing your shitty set of morals. Yeah, I'm going to avoid the "evil" companies, right.
It's a shame that there are so few sportsmen out there. If more people had learned to track, trap, hunt and fish you wouldn't have a bunch of candyasses growing up thinking that its cruel to eat an animal and I wouldn't have to read some vegan cuck on the internet practically every fucking day crying about his subjective morals.
Fuck your morals.
>>73397832
I know, and don't care.
>>73397832
Those are pregnant sows in farrowing crates, they don't live in them, they are only in there to deliver, then they go back to far larger pens.
These little pens are only used to ensure the safety of both the birthing assistants, and the piglets.
The problem with animal welfare fucks is they take pictures out of context and then get btfo by producers when it comes out to actual animal husbandry.
As a producer I put as much emphasis on the well being of my animals as possible, because my wallet depends on it, but some aspects of the business are unavoidable.
>>73413050
Just go, anon-kun - you'll get more upboats for posts like these on r/bacon.
>>73413451
>pontificating about masculinity on a bulgarian basketweaving forum
>>73413451
Somebody always owns land here. And there hunting the King's rabbit earned you a one way trip to Australia. So it's no wonder those skills were lost.
>>73413855
lmao faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZLSNqNyAnQ
