I told my wife that when our 4 year old son turns 16, I expect him to pay rent.
You can get a job at 16. What do you need the money for? Exactly.
I won't charge an insane about. Maybe just $50 a month. That will go up by $20 until he is 18. After that, if he wishes to stay around, I'll expect $350 a month. That was what I was paying for a shitty apartment when I was 18. I'll give him a family discount.
My wife flipped the fuck out.She's all for letting our son live rent free until he's 30 for all I know. Nope. If you can work, you will work.
What do you think, pol? Am I right or was my wife correct?
Don't charge him money wait till he's 19 or 20
>>73253173
Do you know the average age for people getting their first job is now 22?
>>73253173
You are right but put aside the money he pays you (don't tell him you are doing this) then when he goes to put a down payment on his first home, give it back to him
Wrong. Economy is in the gutter.
You can't find a job a 16 now.
I mean you can but it's not easy.
>>73253257
Well, I expect him to be below the average, then. I got my job at 16 bagging groceries. Go do that.
>>73253249
actually you are A OK to charge rent the moment he turns 18
>>73253173
dont charge rent at 16 but make sure he pays for his own car insurance and gas
Depends, if your son proves to be smart and studious, i'd let him go full-time on his studies so he mayb gets a scholarship that'll amount to more than what'd he'd get saving with a min. wage job. Same if he's athletic. If your son is dumb as fuck tho or just average IQ (gotta be realistic about these things), then yeah, get him to work.
Most important, you don't allow him to become a lazy neet that amounts to nothing.
>>73253173
I think 16 is too early, but after he graduates high school I agree 100%.
>>73253334
You can't do that anymore
This is a great idea if you want your son to leave and never return, and resent you for the rest of his life. However, OP doesn't have a son or a wife and is just a sad lonely virgin shitposting on /pol/.
And that's all he will ever be.
>>73253173
You know how all the more affluent kids get ahead?
Their parents pay for everything so they can concentrate on being more skillful instead of getting Cs in college because they have to also work 30 hours a week flipping burgers.
My wife's son****
>>73253392
you cant work full time at 16 or too late in CA
source I was 16 in 08
You understand that your son will stop talking to you and most likely not invite you to anything that he would invite your wife.
Hes going to think you're a cunt. Don't expect him to visit you on your deathbed.
>>73253353
I took an online IQ test and came out at the top of the bellcurve. I'm not super smart, and my wife isn't either. I expect him to be just as retarded as us.
>>73253173
You're inverse cucking.
As that child is your own progeny, you want to give him every head start you can.
Not bleed money out of him lmao.
No wonder you guys get cucked so often, you cuck yourselves.. Literally.
>not letting your offspring work and save cash whole living at home
Shit like this is why America is turning to shit. Family units are supposed to support their own, not force them to pay for shit. Unless you play on putting all that rent money into a savings account for them you're nigger tier trash
>>73253173
i despise boomers more than anything, i really do
anything you charge him should go into a trust fund he gets access to when he gets married.
Your wife wants to spoil him, which means he will grow up to be a little shit.
>>73253411
And I knew teens who were my age who were given it all and still went to school for history and art.
>>73253411
they their parents were rich as fuck they would get them a good job after graduation.
It is trivially easy to get a 3.5 or above in college as long as you have elite study and time management skills
I had to pay rent when I was eighteen. I moved the fuck out when I was seventeen.
>>73253455
Wat
>>73253498
if your boy does not pull his own weight once he becomes a man he will be a NEET MMO addicted manchild
>>73253498
Money will go towards my account for feeding his ass all these years. Life sucks. He better learn it from be than from some drug dealer.
>>73253334
>Handful of grocery stores in town
>Hundreds of 16 year olds want dat money
Good Luck. It's already hard enough to find a place hiring 16 year olds, let alone being the lucky one who gets the job.
He should work at the local grocery store starting at 15, then pay monthly.
I didn't have to pay my parents rent until I was 18 (a legal adult) and I paid 280. I wasn't thrilled and my dad still apologizes for making me pay that much (it was a consequence for totally fucking my first semester of school up) but I grudgingly paid it for 3 years, till I moved out. Love my dad and glad I had the hardship.
>>73253173
wait til he's 18 and done with high school at least, if only so he doesn't just drop out
once he's 18 charging him will probably just incetivize him to move out, but a 16 year old dropout will never make it in life, trust i know four of em
>>73253173
That's fine, but don't expect him to be around when your down and out on hard times.
>>73253592
I worked at a 24 hour grocery store but I was limited to 20 hours a week and I could not work past 8PM in california
>>73253601
Agreed. Have a (you)
>>73253334
people don't get paid to bag groceries anymore
i mean have you even been to a market in the last couple of years? it's almost all automated
>>73253173
My policy is rent at 18, unless they're going to post-secondary, at which point they can stay free until they're 22. A part-time mcjob is only useful for financing their car/insurance/gas/ammo/miscellaneous expenses. Adding rent to that shit is counterproductive.
You do not (and will never) have a wife, and you are currently living with your parents.
My parents did that to me when I turned 17.
I didn't understand why they wanted me to do this. I was not happy about it but obviously I had to do it. Charged me $100 a month. When I got a good enough paying job when I turned 22, I moved out.
Turns out my parents had saved every dollar I gave them. Gave me around $6k in cold hard cash when I moved out. I was fucking blown away. Thank you based parents.
>>73253617
>hundreds of kids burn out at burger flipping and shelf stocking jobs since they are lazy fuck ups
>>73253173
stop being a jew, hes your own flesh and blood
its literally not possible for young people to make money anymore
>>73253617
The store I worked for hired downies to do the bags, as well as normies like me. I think he'll be fine.
I started to work at 16 as well. But i think anything could happen in 12 years so yeah
>>73253173
You're retarded. Any parent who charges their own children for rent should be thrown in prison.
you sound like a shitty enough dad that your son will probably want to move out as soon as he's able to. i wouldn't worry about him sticking around too long.
>>73253498
in b4 the boomer OP starts preaching delayed gratification
>>73253173
Tbh you should only do this if your son is a huge degenerate otherwise that's fucked up. Let him enjoy his youth, make sure he does well in school, and encourage some hobbies.
>>73253173
You're being such an autistic faggot
You're nothing like your father or your grandfather, stop imposing your internet era futile attempts to reclaim you masculinity on your child faggot and just be a good father. If he's working full time/loafing around charge him rent, otherwise if he's studying just have him help around the house, which he should do of his own volition.
I say you're making a horrible mistake. You should charge more than that.
My parents charged me $200 monthly when I turned 18. You should do that.
>>73253173
>Baby boomer jew tactics of leeching your own child for personal gain.
The correct thing to do would be to take that "rent" money and put it in a savings account for him. Then no matter what kick him out at 20 and give him the account to help him get on his feet and achieving financial independence.
You're talking about crippling his income so he can never get enough money to get out of your house.
My way teaches him to get used to paying regular bills but also teaches him the value of saving money and gives him a small sum to get started.
>>73253707
Nope. Got a wife. She's pretty average looking but hey, whatcha gonna do.
>>73253173
You just sound like a kike. Wait till he's at least 18 to charge rent.
Wow you're a shitty dad.
you should be prepping your son to have landed a scholarship to one of the finest private schools in the country. at age sixteen he should be in his second or third year there, with paying rent to live at home a nonissue.
arguing about a twelve-years-down-the-road shitty family situation has to be the dumbest thing i've read in a while, counting shillposts. just fucking kill yourself now if you and your spouse have actually had this conversation.
>>73253727
t.neetovich
I pass by dozens of places a day saying they are hiring if you kid can drive to work he can work anywhere
If he can't find a regular job will you be mad if he's sucking dick for rent money?
>>73253777
I'll consider but my wife is already pissed at my proposal.
>>73253276
/thread
>>73253470
by taking an online IQ test seriously, you failed the IQ test
I think it's a good idea but don't raise the amount over time. Keep it low. the idea isn't to put him in debt or for you to get money it's to give him incentive to work and also to prepare him for the real world. maybe you should keep the money in an account or something and he can get it back when he leaves or something. Or donate it or something like that. To take money from your son for rent is fucking stupid
>>73253173
Great way to piss off your kid and make him resent you faggot.
>>73253173
Demanding rent from your children just make you seem poor, weak, and petty.
>>73253173
nice try dad
>>73253875
As long as I don't know about it and the rent is in my hands on time.
>>73253720
>>73253734
You forget that he'll have to be in line behind all the women and minorities so the employer can meet their diversity quota
>tfw you're an upper middle-class family
>your mom is stay-home and mommy'd you for your entire life while your dad makes shitloads in finance
>grow up in affluent neighborhood with everything at your fingertips
>just study and do your extra-cirriculars
>get good grades
>parents pay for your college
>ayyyyyy
I love being this cozy. I could've been born in some filthy ghetto with a pleb-tier cunt of a single-mom. Then I'd be wage-cucked for the rest of my life when I move out.
You should never charge your child rent ever, if they're not self sufficient and on their own then YOU fucked up and should take responsibility to fix it
>>73253313
Depends on how influental tha family is, i started working at 14, not that it taught me jack all. I have friends who hardly worked and got a 90k a year job right after their masters . I got a 70k a year job a few months after my bachelors and cant find one as well paying now at 27 its a fucking crap shoot. Op wants to teach his kid a lesson but in the end its 60% luck.
>>73253605
>bring a kid into this world
>expect him to pay you back for a decision you made
Seriously? You're a shit father.
>>73253807
This is very clearly some retarded bait that you set up as a backdrop for your sockpuppet that is currently replying to this thread.
dude, don't be a dick. You're still the parent of a 16 year old and supporting them.
Tell him he has to work for his own car. Charging him rent at 16 is not just dickish, come to think of it, but harmful since he's got a life to live and he can't possibly work enough onw weekends to help support your lazy ass and be freaking 16.
And he won't be getting a job at 16. Illegals, immigrants and minorities take all the minimum wage jobs. There's nothing for him. Unless you do the dad thing and help him get a job by networking with your friends for a hookup.
Charge rent the moment he hits 18. But not one minute before.
(parent of 2, grandparent of 1)
>forcing a lifestyle onto other people
Fundamentalism is cancer.
>>73253924
Or instill a valuable teaching moment. If I can Jew him before the real Jews do, he'll learn.
>>73253173
Seriously, fuck off. Don't you remember your teenage years? They're hard enough without having an asshole father who wants to take your money every month.
I sincerely hope your wife and son die soon. Maybe then you'll learn to appreciate them, rather than seeing them as a source of extra income. You fucking kike.
>>73253852
>good goyim pay $600 a month at St Shekels academy dont just take all AP classes at a public school,
Unless all the public schools near you are nigger jungle cages dont go to private school
>>73253173
Man thats a dick move, as long as hes getting good grades has his education on track let him do what he wants(provided its not completely degenerate).
>>73253949
>not naming you kid a semi spic name like roberto so he gets dem programs
>>73253173
Why are Americans so stupid? You don't need the money, and it's not like you will be putting it in his college fund either. You're just a selfish cunt who wants to exert dominance over someone else. I'm 24 and in university right now for computer science. My parents aren't charging me a dime for rent, and the food is free.
>>73253605
i really suggest that you just dont have a kid because hes just gonna tun out shitty. Hes never gonna be able to leave home if you dont let him save up or stay in school long enough to get a good degree retard. Have fun having a 30 year old food bagger live in your basement
>>73254033
AM I BEING DETAINED?
>>73253173
>put money ahead of family
>get kid to move out, as that is what all of the successful rich people do(they don't)
Family units stayed together for millenia. That's what works best. You are a jew.
>>73253173
Sup kike
>>73253334
Well you're shit out of luck.Those jobs now belong to full time employed 20 year olds.
Only part time work a teenager can get now is employment from their parents.
Also expecting a child to be financially independent (or semi independent) at 16 is illegal, have to be 18. So unless you want a legal headache lay off of it.
>>73254045
My dad never asked for rent but I joined the Army at 17. I wasn't going to be that burden, and I don't expect my kid to. If he wants to join the military, by all means, I'll sign the papers.
>>73254033
REEEEE FUCKING MOM MAKING ME PAY FOR TENDIES REEEEEEE
>>73253173
Your whole idea is based on premises that were only true in the economy you grew up in. This doesn't represent the economy a 16 year old lives in now, let alone in 12 years. If my father maid me pay rent in my own home, I wouldn't particularly care to have a relationship with him.
>>73253173
more importantly, is pic related?
>>73254098
you should have graduated 3 years ago retard
I'd say charge your son rent and instead of being a jew and spending it, save it and give it all to him when he moves out.
Or just make it mandatory for him to work? Taking his money is pretty jewy tbqh
>>73253173
Women don't get opinions, they're women.
>>73253173
I'm 18 and pay my parents 400$ a month wanna be my new dad?
>>73253173
You're more or less in the right, I say stockpile it for him till he starts paying actual rent at 19-20 of like 3 bills, surprise him with something he needs money for like a trade tuition or like books, who knows, thus reinforcing the concept of saving, unbeknownst to him.
>>73254097
We named him Angus. Looking back, it was kind of a silly choice because I was thinking Scottish warrior. But now all my friends nicknamed him "Beef". He likes it. Makes him giggle.
>it's a /pol/ gets triggered by the prospect of forcing someone out of being a NEET episode
>>73253173
You are charging your son for something he is legally required to do: live with you. This is like charging someone for breathing air or going to public school. What the fuck is wrong with you? Is this bait?
>>73253173
My dad started charging $300 the day I graduated high school (I was 18). I didn't have a job and he made me pay for each month I missed before I found a job.
Worked out well for me. Kicked me into the real world rather quickly and helped encourage me to work hard and move out.
>>73254041
No, he'll hate you for being a worthless jew. This is the kind of shit that makes your son kill you in your sleep. You'd better be able to raise him correctly before you start charging him for his own parents assistance.
FFS it's no wonder people don't value their families anymore. There's hardly any reason to.
>>73254124
Eat an atom bomb, nip. If you got a hold of my kid, you'd probably turn him into a DDR pillow fucker.
>>73253173
Start charging at 18.
That's what my parents did. It encouraged me to get a job, move out, and go to university. This was only about 2 years ago, so it's not unheard of in the modern world.
A lot of kids don't have jobs at 16, and while you can get a job at 16, it's actually pretty difficult in the current climate, but he should have a job by 18.
>>73253173
why wait till he's 16? don't let your son cuck you, as soon as that little piece of shit can walk he should be expected to contribute.
>>73254213
Who cares? I changed faculties. Do you think having me go into debt would be a good idea?
>>73254050
agreed, but top private schools are a different story, and the tuition system should be gamed via scholarships. and i made that clear in the post. of course it's pointless to go to the nearest catholic school.
>>73254177
I just googled Milf.
>>73254315
>all this non-argument
kill yourself youre a terrible father
>>73254168
Your kid isn't supposed to be a burden, he's supposed to be your reason to live. If you're too selfish to even support him until he reaches college, then your wife should have had an abortion.
my parents want me to get a slave wage job so I can pay them rent. what's the point of doing that if half of my paycheck is going to go to them? step dad makes 100k a year what the fuck does he need it for anyways.
>inb4 principles, work ethic, etc.
>>73254272
ikr? Preventing my kid from surfing this site all day and these NEETS just REEEEE
>>73254293
Everything is bait on /pol/, who'd want to meet any of you cunts in real life?
>>73253173
lived rent free until i was 40, ruined my life. dont do it.
Why don't you teach him how to save and help him get his own place when he's 18 so he's a fully functional adult, you grubby bastard. What do you need the money for?
Honestly, I'd never charge my kids rent. I hope I'd be successful enough to spoil the shit out of them. I just wanna make beautiful babies. Most important is that we're close as fuck, and I'd try to give them as many opportunities as possible to succeed.
>>73254438
Thanks, ausbro. Great example I can use to show my wife the dangers of giving everything for free.
>>73253173
You are 100% unequivocally in the right, your son is lucky to have you
>>73254168
This, I was excited to finally be able to pay for myself.
When I got a decent job and my own apartment, I felt like I wasn't a burden anymore, and it was liberating. Like I'm a positive in society, rather then the money sink I had been to that point.
>>73254345
Fuck you're a simpleton. No wonder you joined the army at 17 and expect your son to pay rent.
You are what makes america a tacky country and do nothing to improve your sorry excuse of a country.
>>73254450
Gas.
>>73253685
We don't all shop at Wal Mart. Go to any major grocery chain (Kroger, Safeway/Albertsons..etc) they have courtesy clerks. Their whole job is bagging, taking groceries out to peoples cars, and bringing in carts. Also, most small town mom and pop grocery stores will have a couple dedicated baggers.
>>73254450
It's bait, dude. But that doesn't mean some people out there aren't this retarded as to actually do something like this
>>73254430
What did I say that made me sound like a cunt?
>>73254406
>surfing this site all day
If you have a problem with your kid spending time on the internet, don't bust their ass to get a job, make them study. Force them to sit down with textbooks and annotate the chapters, or make them do volunteer work.
Don't act like a fucking liberal, don't create artificial dichotomies.
>>73253173
I'm hoping this is bait. No wonder western society is crumbling.
>>73254376
My kids only purpose is to survive and give me a male grandson fuck this pussy shit.
>>73254505
>40
>16
youre just a schlomo
My parents charged me $1000 a month when I was 19, working part time and going to school. Obviously I made nowhere close to that, probably like $150 a week, so I had to give them my entire savings - every dollar I had ever made. I'm still pretty bitter about it.
>>73254581
And this is why you will die alone.
>>73254531
At least I contributed to the freedom of this world. Enjoy your blooming onions you fuck.
>>73253173
if your kid has a job and isn't in school they should pay rent. If they are in school and have a job then no
>>73254571
It's probably bait, but then half the thread is taken up by greedy jews who think there's nothing wrong with treating their children like they're property instead of a member of the family.
>>73253173
Don't take the money away from him completely.
Once he moves out, you can give him the money back to start him out.
This way it's a life lesson in saving and not spending beyond your means, not a life lesson in >your father is a jew
>>73254607
>charging an 18 year old 1000 a month
First of all, this didn't happen, and second of all, if it did, why didn't you move out, there are plenty of places for less than that.
>>73254606
Damn, nip. Does all that radiation cause you just to rage on all my responses?
It is actually a JEWISH tradition to teach the child how to manage money by loaning him money and charging interest even at a young age. This is the only culture thst practices this. Essentially you are continuing an ancient tradition of usury. The family is supposed to be strong. Usury will not allow for this.
>16
>you can't get your license until you save up 6 months insurance, anon
>at minimum wage job
>respond incredibly poorly to ultimatums
>just smoke weed and ride the bus since it's cheaper
>what the fug why don't you get a license?
>and that's why I didn't drive until I was 25
>>73254607
Dude a $1000/month. Rofl. I would've moved the fuck out. You can get something very decent for that being single and have money left over for food and gas.
>>73253173
>What do you think, pol? Am I right or was my wife correct?
At 16 will he be studying full time or working full time ?
I tried to get a job 16 to 18 and wasn't able to because I didn't have a car (I had a license). I couldn't get a car because I needed money to get a car. I lived pretty far in the suburbs, so walking was impossible unless I wanted to spent 40 minutes walking back and forth to the nearest gas station (which didn't hire me anyway).
I did make about 40-50 bucks a month mowing lawns in the summer though. That amount of money wasn't impossible to come by.
I think the OP is bait but if it wasn't the more rational thing to do would be to offer either rent in cash, or rent in chores. Getting a job right at 16 is fairly difficult because you have no references and no method of transportation (usually). Gotta be at least a little bit reasonable.
>>73253173
If you make him pay rent it'll just take longer for him to move out and be independent. Are you subconsciously trying to hold him back and keep him close?
>>73254694
Did all those MRE's cause you to turn into a retarded father?
>>73254706
>just smoke weed
Well there is your problem, degenerate fuck
>>73253276
holy shit good guy dad
>>73254647
>Freedom of this world.
Unless you were born in the early 80's, you were not fighting in any wars against the USSR, which means that as a soldier you did literally nothing but expand the oil interests of the Military-Industrial Complex.
You didn't contribute to the freedom of this world, you contributed to its downfall you fuckhead.
>>73253173
This isn't completely asinine but it can be pretty hard for a teenager to find a job during the school year. Starting at 15 or 16 My mom made me pay 1 bill through the summer months, Didn't complain, thought it was completely reasonable and also felt good to help out the family a little. Just make sure you don't over ask but otherwise way to set up your kid to not be a rent dodging failure OP.
My parents made me pay for my own gas and "luxury" items and car insurance when I turned 16. When I turned 18, they told me to get a full time job and start paying rent, or go to college and live with them rent free.
I think it was a pretty fair deal.
>>73253483
>using cuck incorrectly three times in one post
Fuck off, summerfag.
>>73254550
Probably just a colloquialism from the Southern Hemisphere, we say it to mean person.
Like 'oi cunt you forgot your change.'
>>73254751
You can get a part time job at 16 where I live and still go to HS. I got out of school at 3pm and was at work by 5pm-11. Not hard.
>>73253173
place half or all of the rent he pays you into a savings or other account.
gift it to him once he has a place of his own.
>>73254764
Don't knock them until your try them.
>>73254647
What did you do, go to Iraq or Afghanistan and shoot children, fight the Gulf war and shoot retreating iraqi soldiers?
What freedom have you bought to anywhere you amerifuck? No wonder America has fallen so far behind in every ranking for intelligence.
>>73253173
>>73253334
getting a job, even entry level, isn't as easy walking into a place and asking for a job in the 21st century bro
50 years ago people could get a job in a factory out of high school, sometimes without high school
now you can't do that, companies out/in source, automation makes progress
same will happen to any part time job your son will hope to find
>>73254700
No, that's actually a pretty good practice. It teaches kids fiscal responsibility and encourages them to find ways to make money.
What OP is talking about is kikery of the highest level, charging your children just for being alive.
>>73254883
i eat them all the time.
>>73253173
I live with my parents (about to move out at the end of May though) and I give them almost $900 a month. It wasn't always that amount though.
>>73253173
Why are Americans such heartless kikes?
>>73254872
Charity should be for helping retards and broken vets, not 16 year old white kids.
>>73254690
>>73254711
If I moved out they would stop paying for my tuition and schooling, so I would have been truly fucked.
>>73254769
It was that or go insane from depression like the rest of the fags on here. 90s were a great time to be a degenerate anyway, gaylord.
>>73254952
don't tell him you'd be doing it. give it to him once he buys a house
>>73254890
>still obeying the queen
gtfo
>>73253276
yep, good idea
>>73253173
Lol you're a tremendous cunt. I feel sorry for your wife and future son.
>>73253173
no problem with that also charge him for food. when i left school i either worked or gtfo my mums house. so i worked and payed my mum around 200 dollars for living cost
>>73255036
>this mongoloid is creating and raising human beings
>>73254970
So they charged you money for living with them, then threatened to fuck you over if you left? They basically blackmailed you into paying them money. What shitty parents, no wonder you're stuck on /pol/.
>>73254949
i've been paying my mom sometimes over 500 bucks a month for over 9 years even though im disabled. americans never care for their children
>>73253334
Wow you want your son to be below average? what kind of terrible father are you call him retarded while your at it, fucking subhuman scum.
>>73254949
MUH AMERICAN DREAM
even parents who had a hard time getting their 1st house will think their kids can because they were such good parents and that the dream is still alive
>>73254883
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>>73253173
In all seriousness if you're not memeing reconsider.
Charging a dependent (under 18) is illegal, avoid fucking up your family when he discovers that.
>>73253173
>am I right?
not necessarily, it depends on what your son is doing with his life
if he's just working, then sure, it's reasonable
if he's in education then no, it's not
just make him do all the shit you don't want to do
Lived with my parents, helped around the house. they never charged me rent. I put now windows in the house, I put new water filtration, remodleed the bathroom, reroofed , put up new gutters, new siding, dad got cancer , lasted about a year. Gave me the house before he died. Mom went nuts, found some dude and ran off with him.
now I live alone in my big empty house of memories.
At least I can shitpost though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Y79aW1SxY
>>73254845
Oh. Well, I still don't understand what you meant even considering that.
>turn 15 and a half, get a drivers permit
>my dad believes this is the perfect time to never shut up about how I should have a job
>apply all over, fast food, grocery stores, movie theaters
>nope nope nope nope
>do favors for neighbors, babysit, make money that way
>dad is still upset constantly because it's not a 'real job' even if I get paid
>threatens to kick me out when I'm 18
>well shit
>get amazing grades in school so I qualify for a bunch of scholarships
>pick the one at the college farthest as possible from home
>work for the university while I'm getting my degree
>dad STILL doesn't call it a 'real job', still fucking upset over I don't even know what
>graduate, move farther away, start working
>now all he does is bitch about how I don't call or visit or tell him about my job
I can't wait for that fucker to die from an ulcer so I can piss on his grave.
>>73253173
you're filthy
i hope you will at some point understand how vile and useless even your decision to bring someone into this world was, and then kill yourself
>>73255025
I bet you have voted for the last 2 Bushes and think the A-10 is a good CAS plane.
>>73253173
You would charge rent to your own flesh and blood? You disgust me. Get a better job if you're THAT desperate for money, you lowlife piece of shit.
>>73255125
>Charging a dependent (under 18) is illegal, avoid fucking up your family when he discovers that.
this sounds like a facebook meme, like how people think cops need to tell you they're cops if you ask
>>73255119
Below average as in getting a job at 16, not at the average at 22 (like someone said). IDK fucking statistics, brit. Lay off.
>>73255169
Who really want's anons from /pol/ giving them life advice? I mean it';d end pretty poorly.
>>73253173
lmao are you poor or something? why would you make your son waste time on a shitty job instead of allowing him to focus on his education so he can eventually make good money? are you autistic or want to get back at society through your son? you sound pathetic
>>73253398
>resent you for the rest of his life
You guys say this about EVERYTHING. If your kid resents you for that, then you raised a piece of shit.
If you need your son's money that badly you might as well go on welfare and suck it up and realize you are a pathetic loser. Get your own job in the meantime, too, you fucking leech.
>ITT: 20 something year olds venting their delicate frustrations with their parents through this thread. A lot of catharsis going on atm.
>>73254935
>I give them 900 a month
you're parents are dickheads
unless you live in a place where it costs above 750 a month with two roomates, they don't give a shit about you
>>73255186
>you're filthy
>coming from the 3rd world
>>73253173
Wait until he is out of college.
You can't be sure what charging him rent at 16 while all his friends don't have to pay rent is going to do to him psychologically. He will resent you for it. It will create un-needed tension.
Seriously.
He's your son. Don't bitterly ask him to pay rent at 16. Make sure he follows through in school and gets a solid education.
There are tons of other scenarios in which he can learn discipline and not feel unfairly treated.
>>73254901
those machines spaz out all the time and make some handler clear the error I would say they are 4-5 years from being good
>>73253173
Do this. I wish my parents had fucking did this. I was coddled and it took me a long time to learn how to motivate myself.
>>73253173
Your kid will hate you and rightfully so. "Get a pointless, temporary dead-end job that doesn't actually help anybody to pay me rent!"
Enjoy your divorce and never hearing from your children.
>>73255268
My parents are just fine. They are doing what this guy said
>>73253276
>>73254935
if you were giving them that much money you should have moved out a long time ago
>>73255255
>>73255266
These. Holy shit, didn't know there were so many special snowflake millennial faggots on /pol/.
>>73255125
>avoid fucking up your family when he discovers that.
>implying his son is ever coming back once he moves out regardless
If he's seriously considering doing something so selfish, I have no doubt he's been an awful, unloving father from the very beginning. It would appear that he sees his minor son as a source of income and nothing else.
>>73255203
I like W. He seemed nice and voted for him.
>>73255326
Motivate yourself to do what exactly?
>>73253173
Are you planning to give the money back to him in the form of a college education or something? Or are you just taking money from your child leaving him with no savings when he goes out into the world?
This is probably bait, but I do know families that do this and the kids are as fucked up as you'd imagine.
>>73255247
Maybe he implies the simple thing that its better in the long term to help your kid then be a cunt.
>>73253173
you're a square.
>>73255021
As if anybody can even buy a house anymore.
>>73255365
>I had a shit childhood, and so should my son
>>73253173
I think you shouldn't force your son to pay for a decision you made (having him)
He doesn't owe you for your choice, especially not at just 16. 18 or 19 yeah, but not 16. His education should be most important
>>73255232
It is a meme considering children are their parent's legal property until age 18. No more illegal than expecting your child to do chores around the house.
>>73255365
Tell me about it. Nothing like a bunch of virgins telling me how wrong I am to raise my kid. 100% keks.
>literal kike
>>73253334
>I got my job at 16 bagging groceries
So did I and all it did was made me hate work. Making people suffer doesn't make them strong, it just makes them resentful.
>>73253173
I had to pay rent at 18. Left when I was 21.
Basically when I finished school and got a job, it was sort of the expected thing for kids to do. Pay token rent (I think I was paying 50 dollars a week) or move out.
I'm Australian, so were pretty lenient. If you are a wog (Lebanese, Greek, Italian, Spanish etc) you're pretty much expected to live at home until you are married or later, often rent free, but their financial obligations to their families are also heavier. Even when they move out and have families, they are expected to look after not only their parents and grandparents, but siblings, cousins etc.
Asians are EXTREMELY lenient and then extremely obligated later. For instance, all my Asian friends were given whatever they wanted/needed (cars, clothes, luxuries like computer games and holidays) under the assumption that they would study very hard and work very hard - Then, later in life, they would take complete care financially and socially of their parents and grandparents.
Bogans (white trash for you Americans) and Aboriginals? They expect the state to take care of their kids and themselves, from cradle to the grave.
Do you guys ever notice that on 4chan and other forums damn near everyone claims to have moved out at 18? Some fag in this thread said that he went and joined the military at age 17... what the fuck was he, a drummer boy?
If you look at statistics in America a high amount of men are living at home all the way into their 30s, yet the Internet is full of people who say "I MOVED OUT AT AGE 18. I SWEAR!"
I think that a lot of you faggots are lying and sitting in an unfurnished basement right now.
>>73253529
MFW Went to art school. Then went back to study history.
If only I had the right kind of guidance in my youth.
All you fags who didn't get a job until 20 should off yourselves. I started landscaping at 14 since I couldn't get a job legally. I mowed lawns trimmed bushes/trees planted trees, removed them, replaced and installed sprinkler lines. My name got around and at 16 I was doing houses for a realtor making close to 1k biweekly. I bought a truck and a trailer to haul shit. New equipment. I was fucking living the dream at 16. My Jew parents started charging me $400 a month for rent,$100 for food,and half whatever the electricity bill was.
Make your son do landscaping shit is hard work and pays like shit when starting out.
But it's fucking work
PS fuck the southwest heat.
>>73254535
You can't afford gas but you're having a kid? How is he supposed to get a job if you can't even afford gas?
>>73255390
Exactly, no grasp on any intelligible concept.
Bet you still haven't used your G.I bill.
>>73255168
>drive grandpa around once he loses his license
>he dies at 89 RIP
>leaves me the house
>mfw I rent off a room to a qt spinster and get 600 bucks a month
>>73255306
Russia is second world you illiterate fuck
have fun harming people, praying for your son to slip bleach into your Walmart liquor right now
>>73255365
>To be 20 you have to be born in 1995 right now
>millenials
You can't even fucking COUNT. Go away, American subhuman.
>>73255404
No. He can pay for his own college. The military will pay for almost all of it like it did for me. He can do that.
And who says he needs to go to a pricey college? We have a nice bible college here that charges about $50 per credit hour. Same degree you can find at a state college too.
When I was 18 I was stabbed 5 times ( with a big ass knife) walking home. They still made me get a job 3 months later 6 miles away uphill. I was stabbed in my lungs. There were days I would just cough up blood.. my rent was also 650$ . You were all so lucky.
>>73255446
>I was never expected to pull my weight, so no kid should be
>>73255325
it still cuts needs for having more employees
where a big supermarket chain would need a dozen cashiers on register and baggers for each register
all you need is 2-4 people on watch there to help people with problems
and you said it yourself, 4-5 years they're gonna be good
>>73255394
Not being a lazy piece of shit.
>>73253173
Doing that will do one of two things.
He will either do it and come to despise you which will bite you in the ass if at any point in your twilight years you are considered unable to live alone (don't scoff at the idea being committed to a rest home is more common then you think source: I work at one)
He will leave.
If he leaves depending on how many friends he has he will likely 'crash' with one of them and more then likely become a applicant of welfare and food stamps.
Homeless vagabonds are 90% more likely to become involved with drugs in some way.
Either way your relationship with your child will probably end, which if that's something you don't particularly care about may I recommend putting him up for adoption before its WAY too late and he's super fucked up?
>>73255406
Huey told me that it's hip to be square.
>>73253334
If this isn't bait you are an asshole and I hope your wife's son kills you one day.
>>73255492
You shouldn't have asked for advice if you were expecting only one type of answer. You have gone full retard.
>>73255602
you couldn't sign for disability or some shit?
that sounds like serious stuff
>>73255348
>good intentions
no I was right, they are dickheads
that's too long term and speculative, and wasteful to boot
it would honestly be more helpful to have the family's little retard (you) waste all of the money learning how to invest it
The doctor said It was the most fatal stabbing he's ever seen, he couldn't believe I lived.
>>73255505
It was either get a job or do HS theater. And my dad told be that theater is for queers. I was mad at first but yeah...look at Broadway today. All faggots.
>>73255306
Do you even know where the term "third world" comes from?
Protip: It is by definition something that is not Russia.
>>73255529
Yeah really, that's a pretty funny observation.
It's kind of like how everyone in the internet has an eight inch penis, is 6'2", and can benchpress a hundred pounds.
>>73255529
I think it's just that those people are a lot more vocal than others.
>>73255596
>military scum
Well, this explains your lack of logical thinking.
>>73255534
:( Sucks, friend. GL to you.
>charging family
Is OP a Jew?
All you people making excuses for his son are pathetic. I was 16 just 4 years ago and I found a job at a store my first day looking, got interviewed the same day and started work the next week. Moved on to do work at a temp agency, mostly computer stuff for 10 dollars an hour. Was in college the whole time and still am. Saved up enough that I don't have to work my senior year of college. Also live on my own and pay all bills.
Anyone saying how "it's different now" is just a lazy shit
>>73255614
Pulling your weight and having to juggle school, work, and also pay your greedy parents rent are not the same thing. Maybe they are in your mind because you were raised in an unloving household, but charging your child for living is fucked. Especially at fucking 16.
There is something seriously wrong if your kids are working harder than you are.
>>73255621
What exactly would they have motivated you to do? Get a dead end job? Do you really think that getting a dead end job would have solved your problems?
>>73253617
Teenagers are still highly desired in fast food and grocery store jobs. They're cheap labor.
>>73255539
Straight out of college, twenty one years old, making 4,250 euros a month right now. A higher salary than you'll ever have because you wasted your early life when you could have been studying on trying to grab some quick cash. You dumb sack of shit. At least don't make anyone else repeat the mistakes you made.
>>73255568
Left with my undergrad debt free, bitch.
>>73255596
>joins the military to leech free college
>sees his son as a financial leech
Das cool mane
>>73255232
It isn't, it's in part do with a child being a financial dependent to their parents until they turn 18. Can't enter a financial contract with them or rent.
>>73255377
I was thinking more of the son taking him to small claims court.
this is a boomer bait thread
You are handucapping your son.
Yes, he should wirk, yes he should save money.
All you are doing is cucking hum, keeping from snatching a qt and reducing or delaying his chance at offspring. Your tough guy act is ensuring an end to your lineage, and to the white race, and probably driving his would be gf str8 into the arms of a welware supported dindu.
Thanks for creating a whole fleet of halfbreed jamals.
>>73254543
i just came back from shopping a couple hours ago
i saw five people working there
and this is a supermarket
>>73254850
>You can get a part time job at 16 where I live and still go to HS. I got out of school at 3pm and was at work by 5pm-11.
>Not hard.
True, but his peers who don't have to pull the additional work shift will do better in tests and get the scholarship / first choices of colleges.
It's a matter of wetter OP wants to teach his kid to be a dumb laborer who knows the value of money or an intellectual more prepared for the century ahead and the changing workplace who will thank his parents for the heads up in the rat race.
>>73253173
How about you let him get a job and, I dunno, save up for college? what a fucking retard you are.
>>73255180
Dude, my stepfather did this shit.
>start working for him at 12 during summer break
>construction work is a shit, get a job at pizza place at 16
>always tells me it's not a real job, but doesn't make me work for him because no free time
>get a job at a department store in college
>become a manager
>also not a real job
>become designer, make 70k a year
>stepdad still pesters me
I've come to the conclusion he wants me to take over his construction business, and while I would make so much more I just don't enjoy the work.
>>73253173
>poorly disguised anti jew thread
>>73255790
Good, christian man. Paying your church for services isn't Jewish. I look at it like that.
>>73253529
Only white kids, from already very affluent families.
Asians here live like dogs in a kennel, sometimes three families to a house. They all pool their money towards setting up their kids futures, but the kids have a massive expectation to be financially successful and stable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiQ2jw72Ig
Probably why after 1 or 2 generations, the Vietnamese refugees who arrived literally with just the shirts on their backs went from illiterate labourers living in drug and crime and violence filled hellholes to upper middle class Australians in 1 generation, while African or Muslim refugees are multi generational welfare dependent and continue to live in drug and crime and violence filled hell holes.
>>73255719
>he benchpresses only 100 pounds
wew lad you should be able to do at least one push up
>>73255836
>, bitch.
>>73253173
>2016
>Wife
You literally wanted to be cuck
>>73255629
most people get commuted to a nursing home anyway when their medical needs become too intensive for even a full time kid trying to take care of them
white culture is so fucked
this thread makes me laugh so hard
>hey son, you just turned 18
>yeah so?
>well, I need you to get the fuck out of my house
>wait what?
>Yeah, pack your shit, and GTFO faggot
>Why are you doing this to me?
>cuz it'll be good for u
>Are you fucking kidding me righ now?
>KEK, NOPE FAGGOT, LOOOOL, HAVE A GOOD LIFE FAG
Whites are literally sub-human
>>73255893
Your church didn't make you.
>>73253173
Do you know what you sound like? You sound like a fucking boomer. Fuck you for that.
>>73255539
>southwest heat
try the southeast humidity pussy
you also ended up doing fuckall
that's the real problem with going too hard on your kid, they end up doing pleb shit
you should make sure your kid is working, just not all the time and not when they should be doing schoolwork
summers is perfect
If you actually dothis then be like >>73253719 parents
This would be the greatest life lesson ever in terms of money management
>>73253173
I started paying rent at 18. Whenever I can home from college, I would pay rent through the summer. I payed for my college. I took 3,000 in loans freshman year, when I first got my job, but as my pay grew as I gained more experience, I was able to cover my college and pay back the loans. I graduated after 5 years (Couldnt take enough credits per term to graduate in 4 when also working 30 hours per week) with 0 student debt, since I payed my loans in sophomore and junior year.
My parents (mom makes 100k working part time, and dad makes 180k full time) would not pay for my school so that I could learn how to work hard just as they did. I was never coddled at any point in my life and was always taught lessons "the hard way" I cant express how good this was for me growing up, and it makes me sick seeing bernie faggots saying how they cant pay for their college and need the governments help to take money from others to pay for their laziness.
I owned two cars by the time I was 20. I had an iphone 4s and I lived a great lifestyle through college. ALL through my own hard work. You have to be completely lazy or completely retarded not to survive with a decent quality of life in the united states. Our wages and disposable income is absurd.
>>73253173
I don't care if I took the bait. This thread legitimately made me rage. You're a fucking cunt, OP. Saged.
>>73253173
You honestly are the reason america is going to shit, family is to support eachother, not drain eachother and think of eachother as money machines.
You know how families become rich? They stick together, thats how, once the kid graduates school/uni and gets a nice paying job they tend to stick with their parents for several years helping out with finances, buying houses for mom and dad while paying no taxes and eventually saving up enough money for themselves unless they stay sticking with their parents while getting paid a lot.
Point is OP, you are perpetuuating the notion that parents should kick out their kids at a young age, young kids taking out loans for cars and homes, you are setting them up for failure, a shitty fucking parent you are, i'm glad your wife put your ass in check you dumb backwards thinking fuck.
>>73253173
YFW he can't get a job because all the low skill jobs that kids his age used to get have all been taken by spics.
You'll kick him out.
Your wife will hate you.
Your taxes will be through the roof supporting the permanent underclass that have come here to collect welfare and steal jobs undercutting american workers by asking for less money and getting paid off the books.
Honestly. You're a shit head.
>>73253173
Tell him "either you pay $X pet month in rent, or you put that much in a savings account and don't touch it until you move out of my house."
It will teach him to save money, and will probably get him to move out sooner.
>>73255878
>73255878
My Uncle pulled that "not a real job" shit when I was apprenticing as an audio engineer at a university studio
Now I work at a studio and make almost double what he makes.
Not a real job, eh Steve? Enjoy your electrical work you stuck up prick
>>73255939
Then those cunt parents go around the Internet and at work talking shit on their kids that they either kicked out of the house or used for most of their income.
>>73255674
Then be glad they aren't your parents. I, on the other hand, have money in a savings account I otherwise would have wasted on dumb shit, and I'm grateful for it. Before I got my shit together, I was terrible with money.
To each his own though. Maybe when you have kids, you'll learn that tough love is sometimes for the best.
>>73255812
so what do you do for work now?
Good job showing at being a piece of white trash. You're family must be a community of failures, by the evidence that you can not make rational life choices as a male leader.
>>73255602
dam homie what hood you from
>>73255936
DESIGNATED KEK !!!!!
>>73255944
Well the millennial generation is trash. I'd rather go for the safer option.
>>73253411
kids go into art and history because the school system, not because their parents
the school system tells you can be successful if you to college and don't warn on any bad degrees
and especially don't tell you that an artist can still be fulfilled if it's a hobby (i spent time doing art in college because it was free for me though)
>>73255939
>Are you fucking kidding me righ now?
If his kid is Carl the Cuck, then honestly he needs to get kicked the fuck out.
>>73253173
WTF is wrong with Americans. Absolute faggots who put money before family. Glad I am moving to Italy. What a shitty culture and ignorant people in this society. It is your fucking son faggot. You brought him into the world so how the hell are you going to charge him to live in it. You will never find this in Europe where people put family before everything. Degenerates letting jews destroy family values for money. Kill yourself and give your kid up to a real family.
>>73255836
debt is nothing compared to what you get if you aren't a shitshow
>>73255996
Thanks for the insights. It's nice to see that it is possible to manage money easily, unlike most of these fucks.
>>73256101
if your kid is carl the cuck you fucked up a long time ago
>>73253173
>being this poor
You shouldn't reproduce, OP.
My grandparents did the same thing to my dad.
My dad's an alcoholic that hates his parents and never went to their funerals.
Have fun with that.
>>73255996
>tfw turned down for a seasonal labor job
i give up
>>73253173
Givin how shitty the economy is you are just going to make life harder for him.
>>73255826
Yeah I can tell him it didn't. My job at Kroger taught me nothing and gave me no skills. It just made me resentful and gave me a shitty summer.
>>73255618
My brother works at a grocery store making sure those machines are working properly. He gets paid to sit on his ass and look for people having trouble figuring out the machine.
you couldn't sign for disability or some shit?
that sounds like serious stuff
No my familly doesn't believe in it.
>>73256082
Nothing, I'm entering my senior year and like i said i have plenty saved. Just quit a sales job I got at hhgregg with the tech experience from the temp agency
You are white trash, and your children should be removed from your presence. Why don't you go ask the Indian family down the street what parenting methods they use to teach responsibility.
>>73255893
Church is free schlomo
>>73256192
I find it a good lesson in money management.
>>73256150
You are so bad at managing money that you couldn't handle going to college except completely on the taxpayer's dime. You are that incredibly pathetic.
>>73256206
it taught you that you need to go get an education/skills or you will work at krogers forever
>>73255996
>I started paying rent at 18
18 and 16 aren't the same thing. OP is suggesting his son should pay rent for most of high school.
Which is to say he is going to fail high school since it's all about participation and doing homework rather than scoring high on exams. Clever studying or intelligence do not provide grades anymore, you have to do a bunch of time-wasting work.
Or in other words he's trying to bait people who paid rent as ADULTS into agreeing with him and people who actually read the number SIXTEEN into disagreeing.
>>73255325
They only really spaz out if the user is retarded (or an old person or migrant who doesn't speak English) or late night/early morning when they update. During regular business hours, they are pretty reliable.
>>73253719
literally retarded to not give you a goal to work towards
forcing people to work doesn't teach the right lesson
you won't see or admit it, but I'm sure you've been fucked up latently
>>73253173
>What do you need the money for?
For one, colle-
>Exactly
O-oh...
>>73255618
Welcome to Australia.
>12 registers
>Like only 3 ever have operators
>1 chick mans a bank of 8 self serve registers
>>73255908
Holy shit this... I know a guy who is the son of first generation Vietnamese refugees who could barely speak English when they arrived. They've worked fulltime their whole lives in Australia and he's an Engineer. They don't even speak Vietnamese anymore, and he was never even taught it. Why can't Arabs and Africans be as based the Vietnamese and Yugoslavian refugees?
>>73253173
>Rent
>Being a wannabee landlord.
Wow you sure are a real captain of industry, OP.
Landlords are dickheads, I'm glad your son will get the opportunity to learn this fact of life as soon as possible.
OP doesn't understand generational wealth, and his children will despise him and put him up in the cheapest retirement home possible, if they even bother. Tough love doesn't extend to basic needs. That's not how you foster filial piety.
>>73256216
The only 18 year olds that get on cripple bux are the gimps with a fish claw or a legit needs to be sedated with medicine 24 hours a day basket case.
SSI is not for fags who dont want to work
>>73253173
bruh if you need your son's money so bad maybe you need to take your own advice and get a job
>>73256257
Nice bait but I did a service to my country and it paid me back. Don't be butthurt because your retarded feet prevent you from joining the service.
>>73255937
You truely have no idea. The vast majority of my patients could easy live at home if they had a single person willing to watch over them. Not sponge bath them or anything but simply check up every few hours to make sure they are not dying or can't get up.
People who actually have no one either they didn't have a family or were abandoned by their family for whatever reason.
People don't realize how important family ties are until they're older.
>>73255918
Oh my god I spent the last two minutes or so laughing uncontrollably at that. Hahaha how do you even fuck up making pasta that badly? Is this even possible.
>>73255939
and this is how you get numales leafmales
>>73253173
It's a solid idea. Although really you should be having him do chores and yardwork from basically as soon as he's able. Give him money from that, and have him give it back to you for rent and expenses.
>>73255529
Why would you go out of your way to mention that you're a loser?
t. 22 year old part time worker living with his parents.
>>73255867
Yeah, wogs and asians here force their kids to work as soon as they hit 14 - But they also make them take that money and buy a car and a property which they help them pay off so that they can actually not live in constant debt their whole lives.
>>73255939
He didn't say 18.
>>73253173
you are lower-class.
> think "a job" is a good way for a 16-year-old to spend time that could be spent on learning / college prep
> think living in a $350 a month rental is an acceptable lifestyle for your son
> think that washed-up whore you posted is in any way attractive
> telling your wife things 12 years in advance, well before she needs to know
> she's gonna divorce-rape you. have fun!
>>73255832
>>73255956
I did all my work on the weekends and every other day during the summer. I didn't charge by the hour but by what needed to be done. I also had jobs where literally all I needed to do was check on the property which i charged $50 even if little to nothing needed to be done.
And I still graduated high school. With a 3.5 gpa
>>73256391
No, you're a fucking cunt. I paid my parents and shared grocery money once I started working but that's because I wanted to, because they treated me right, not because they expected it.
>>73256254
Father here, I expected all my kids to "chip in" ifthey were earning money.
Not a lot but enough to teach them that money management is important.
They usually blow through their pay checks before the end of the month and get it back as a "lend" so in my eyes I'm just holding it for them anyway!
>>73256391
You did no service except stand around all day doing nothing and wasting your sign on bonus on bullshit and treating the civilians near and at your base like shit. I know your kind all too well. If you fought so gallantly somewhere, you'd be dead.
Don't get too uppity because your son will wise up at some point to your bullshit and your life will be over as you know it.
>>73256468
scratch that last part.
i meant: nice bait, faggot!
>>73256400
>cant move around or even go to the shitter without falling and breaking a hip
yeah thats time for a nursing home bro. Unless granny wants to pay some fag $20 an hour for nursing aid for 16 hours a day
>>73256075
my dad had me work every summer since I was 14, and didn't hold any money back
but he wasn't retarded and taught me personal finance
"tough love" is an all encompassing copout for any retarded theory a parent comes up with
>maybe when you have kids
lol
>>73254850
jesus dude you want your kid to wake up at 6 every morning and go to school by 7 and get home at 3 and leave for work at 430 and come back home at 1130 and go to sleep and then do it all over again? at the age of 16?
>>73254097
>Dad why did you name me Javier? Our family is predominantly German.
>You'll thank me later, son.
>>73256475
> high school
> less than a 3.9
hope state school was fun
>>73256216
>No my familly doesn't believe in it.
That doesn't change the fact that you can apply for it and even fucking welfare if they kick you out.
>>73253276
This (My only concern with hanging as early as 16 would be that he could have poorer performance in school if he doesn't manage time well enough (which is part of the lesson, yeah).
>>73253313
>not easy
That's the point brah... get started while you're young to have a leg up on the dopes that don't.
Really, just like everything else in life (and in (pretty much) all religious founders) balance is the key. He needs to make money and buy things that are both essential and recreational so that he can see the value of his labor in multiple aspects of life.
The key for you is how much money do you need to take from him so that he can't be baller and blow it on drugs while not taking so much that work seems like an exercise in futility?
Good luck, you're already above average for giving a shit.
dam homie what hood you from
I'm white I went from newport to LA ghetto.. Was rough at first but I eventually become cool with the mexicans and blacks they were racist as fuck cuz I was the only white guy.. but yeah I made alot of friends and they were going to kill him so he turned himself in.
Don't know why everyone is flipping their shit for $50-70 per MONTH. That is nothing, even if you work part-time (20 hours) - I worked more than that in high school and still had straight As. Now $350 is too much OP, your kid will have to work too much to make that happen. Maybe $150-200 per month, and that is not a big deal at all. Beats paying $600+ per month for rent. The millenial butthurt in this thread is astounding.
>>73256481
Not a lot but enough to teach them that money management is important.
> so broke you have to ask your kids for money
> teaching them about "money management"
my sides are in orbit
>>73256546
My name was Tristan and I legally changed it to Tristano just for this season.
I am actually like 40% spic but my name sounded too white
What the fuck kind of father are you? Having a kid and then making his life miserable? Complaining about having to feed the person you brought into this world?
Kill yourself.
>>73253470
This has to be a troll.
>>73253173
this is stupid ass idea, family
>>73253173
Do it, but put all of the rent money into a secret college fund. Also, make an exception for athletics when your son is actively participating. Physical fitness is just as important as financial responsibility.
Both of these things should get your wife on board. After all, the most shitty aspect about your current plan is that you would make money off of your son.
>>73255939
I don't think that's what's happening...
>>73256621
Your white trash is showing. Don't ever have kids nigger.
>>73253173
>I could have a nice healthy family relationship or go out of my way in an attempt to create another dysfunctional one.
My dad tried that "be a man" shit with my older brother. He didn't get invited to the wedding and his phone calls aren't answered.
>>73256567
It is. Currently attending atm granted I stopped doing landscaping to concentrate on school.
>>73253173
This is a good idea. It will teach your son the value of money and personal responsibility. I paid my mom rent, more so because we were poor and she needed the help, and complained about it because I felt like she took too much. I was working all summer 40 hours a week for minimum wage at the time being 6.75. I would bring home a biweekly paycheck around 375 after taxes and give her 300. Yes, that much.
Looking back it taught me to be financially secure and not frivolous with my money. I have zero debt, an investment portfolio, and every month I put away more money towards savings/investing. It sucked giving her that much back then but looking back it made me a better person. I would've blown the money on dumb things like Eminem or jedi mind trick cds otherwise.
>>73256475
Wow, you got a high school diploma. Like literally every one else in the entire western world. Do you expect a pat on the back? You keep breaking your back in order to be able to buy a decent meal at night by landscaping while I barely do anything and make probably like 2-2.5 times as much. Yeah, you made GREAT choices.
>>73256646
The only parents who make their kids pay rent are those who can't manage money to begin with, which is why they need to leech off their kids and force them into early adulthood.
>>73256254
I bet you're the type of guy to think digging ditches builds character. If you want your kids to learn money management, teach him the concept of money while he's still young and make him save whatever he gets to use on what he wants so he doesn't think mommy and daddy will pay his bills forever. Setting a cut off age will just fuck his shit up.
>>73256475
>with a 3.5
you really should read up on the observation people are having with the wealthy all becoming intelligent
it's pretty clear that making your kids put the work into school rather than "work" is the more successful option for developing a useful work ethic
>>73255529
My parents up and left when I was 17. No shit, I came home from school one day and everything in the house was gone except for my room. I had no means of paying for that whole house. Luckily, my girlfriend at the times' parents absolutely loved me and let me stay with them. Got kinda awkward after we broke up, but they let me stick around until I graduated. After graduation I moved in with my brother. He was looking for a roommate and I needed something cheap.
Also, as it turns out I only ever hear from my parents anymore when they want money. Although I think they finally got the hint. I haven't heard from them in about 2 years. Almost 28 now, haven't seen or talked to them in about 10 years. Fuck them.
>>73256621
It's because he claims he's doing it because he wants to earn money from his son, not because he wants to teach the son anything. He says he hates him and the only reason he should finish raising him is if he will pay him.
Considering a lot of millennials were largely ignored by their parents and taught nothing by them, yeah, this would probably illicit a pretty negative response.
>>73256786
>>73256790
read
>>73253173
I told my son he would start paying rent at 18, unless he was in college, then I'd carry him until he finished his batchelor's.
He gtfo as soon as he graduated HS and joined the marine's. He stayed in for 4 years, got out and started working as a carpenter's helper while putting himself through two years of school at the local junior college I'm pretty sure the marines paid for his schooling.
He later got hired by a factory that builds ships for the navy and they paid for the rest of his college, he's trying to finish up a master's in some sort of engineering discipline.
Other than basic upkeep when he was a kid, that boy never took a thin dime from me. I don't see him often enough.
>>73256788
Did you or did you not go to university?
>>73256316
Different mentalities.
Africans and Muslims are generally leaving shitholes of their own making, coming to new lands with the same shitty attitudes they had in the old ones with the expectations of gibsmedats. They've come later, to an Australia that is big on welfare and handouts for migrants and "tolerance".
When the Viets came here (literally the first people to arrive after the end of the white Australia policy) they got none of that. They either sank of swim. They also came from cultures that valued hard work, capitalism, stable and affluent society etc (you could see the stark difference between the mostly "chinese" South Vietnamese refugees and the Northern Vietnamese refugees who were the ones into the heroin smuggling, home invasions etc that mostly preyed on their own community - and saw them deported as a result).
Similarily, you saw that the Christian Lebanese went through the same shit - Except we stopped deport the Muslim Lebanese who pulled the predatory crime shit and they simply remained in their ghettos while the Christians moved out and intermarried with the local population.
Like you said - No one really knows anymore trouble making Vietnamese anymore. They're all highly productive members of society and pretty much totally integrated. And they used to be ROUGH when they first got here. Really violent. 1 or 2 generations and you wouldn't know.
Sudanese fugees? The 2nd generation is even worse than the 1st.
>>73256788
I hope your white trash mother used it to pay all those niggers she was fucking.
>>73256524
Apparently you got that out of being checked up on every few hours.
But by all means liquefy your entire life earnings to expensive retirement homes and die in debt unable to do what you want at 55 because you told your doctor you felt weak once and now you need a caretaker or home.
>>73256188
Through college I worked at a warehouse for a general store/food company (think albertsons/kroger/safeway) There was a warehouse in my college town and a warehouse in my hometown ~90 miles north. I transfered warehouses during the summer and schoolyear.
I operated a forklift, lifted a lot of product, used pallet jacks, typical warehouse shit. didnt have to deal with customers and everyone I worked with was down to earth. Look for stocking/receiving/freight/warehouse jobs in your area.
The skills you learn apply completely across companies and locations. also, there is good future job security as it is hard to automate hands-on FIFO inventory practices.
The pay is decent at best, and the work isnt too easy but it is WORK and it will help support you until you gain more education.
Go on indeed. Look up warehouse, stocking, inventory, etc. jobs for your town and towns near you. apply online or call to as many as you can. even if you dont meet the minimum requirements. many people dont realize this. EVEN IF YOU DONT MEET the minimum requirements! You have nothing to lose, and your interview performance can get you the job.
After you have it, Take some courses at your local community college (online if you have to), and then finish at an affordable university (again online if you have to).
If you have no transportation get a good, reliable honda civic or toyota camry that you can afford. and learn to work on it if you have to.
It is almost impossible not to succeed in America if you take this route
(Unless you have a child at a young age without a stable job, of course)
So many could benefit from this advice, I wish I could tell all I meet
>>73256784
Working 25-30 hours per week and maintaining straight A's along with extra-curriculars makes me white trash? My parents didn't force me into it, I chose to work.
Lmfao high school life is not that hard. I was an ambitious kid.
>>73256525
Wow, I guess everyone should be expected to be exactly like you and your family.
There are things I could tell you about mine that may change your tune, but I'd rather not divulge family business on an image board. All I'll say is that my mom almost died and my dad wasn't really himself for most of my adolescent years to teach my anything.
But they're doing fine now and so am I.
>>73256814
He is the type to use his kid's money to buy drugs, alcohol, make needless modifications to his stupid sports car he bought with his taxpayer funded sign-on bonus, and buy dumb shit for his house that he'll forbid his son to ever touch.
All he is going to teach his son is that adults are greedy, selfish fucks who will drain him dry and that working hard leads to nothing good.
>>73256838
>ignored by their parents
I don't know what you're talking about, the NES paid lots of attention to me.
>>73253173
Honestly?
I foresee you and your wife getting a divorce in the future, and your son will probably grow up to despise everything about you and go live with Mom instead after she takes everything you own.
It's probably going to happen way before he hits 16.
Don't think for a moment that your wife will ever put you before her child ever again until he grows up and finds a wife of his own. She stopped being your wife first and foremost when she popped out a child. Now she's a mother first, wife second.
Hell, after the stunt you just pulled, she's probably already thinking about an Ashley Madison account and contemplating fucking that slightly younger man from work.
>>73256621
>beats paying
false dichotomy
developing your child's work ethic for money is less useful than developing your child's work ethic for successful higher pursuits
it's literally what separates the plebs from the patricians...or is it genetics first, and then the parents raise their kids that way?
>>73253173
Life is no pokemon adventure m8. You can't just pack your kids shit and make him float on his own without any real skill learned by trade.
First let him finish school, then, if he isn't studying his ass off for something better (like rich fags do by sending their kids to college) then put him in a job that isn't sweat shop tier with shit pay and future market prospects.
Either way, from what most people gather from your faggot post, he will rebel at one point, and, along with it, alienate your ass and be closer to his mother, whom will win his favour obviously. Enjoy fucking up fatherhood, dumb ass.
And don't bring up boomer shilling. They CREATED the monstrosity that is counter culture and the problems that are the wold nowadays.
>>73255596
>he can pay for college
>when he's also paying rent on a min wage job, along with paying the rest of his bills
>>73256621
because kids aren't an investment for yourself
don't expect them to contribute to you, expect them to contribute to society
>>73253173
>Dad my teachers think I have got a real chance of getting into Stanford. I can't believe it I am going to become engineer. I will make you so pro...
>And how are you going to pay for this my son?
>Well i could loans, grants and I was hoping maybe you could maybe help me out until I get my degree
>You FUCKING disappointing little scrounger! OUR FAMILY WORKS. Your grandfathers and grandmothers worked for shitty wages from people they mutually hated. Your parents done the same, we accomplished nothing apart from producing a scrounging little jew and I expect you to carry on the family tradition, this great family tradition of hard work.
>But dad, my dreams... I want to be an engineer.. I want to..to.. space... da..
>I think a spot is open with Gary at the local Wal mart. You will get a job at walmart or the like and in 4 years you will get a degree in Work ethics. The only degree that is worth a damn in my opinion.
>Dad.. please, what would mom want for me? can.. can you think about that?
>Well when your mum died of cancer her stupid ideas died with her. Where is my rent money you work shy dago
Sounds great mate.
>>73256901
I did 4 years in the Marine Corps as an infantryman. I also worked in entertainment as a union stage hand. I have an almost completed BA in Business administration with an emphasis on accounting.
>>73253173
>Dad my teachers think I have got a real chance of getting into Stanford. I can't believe it I am going to become engineer. I will make you so pro...
>And how are you going to pay for this my son?
>Well i could loans, grants and I was hoping maybe you could maybe help me out until I get my degree
>You FUCKING disappointing little scrounger! OUR FAMILY WORKS. Your grandfathers and grandmothers worked for shitty wages from people they mutually hated. Your parents done the same, we accomplished nothing apart from producing a scrounging little jew and I expect you to carry on the family tradition, this great family tradition of hard work.
>But dad, my dreams... I want to be an engineer.. I want to..to.. space... da..
>I think a spot is open with Gary at the local Wal mart. You will get a job at walmart or the like and in 4 years you will get a degree in Work ethics. The only degree that is worth a damn in my opinion.
>Dad.. please, what would mom want for me? can.. can you think about that?
>Well when your mum died of cancer her stupid ideas died with her. Where is my rent money you work shy dago?
Sounds great mate.
>>73256976
>everyone should be just like you
>implying there isn't a theoretical best way to raise children
>>73257102
Even (non Muslim) Lebs here understand that.
>You stay at home until you are 30
>You don't work until you get apprenticeship
>NO YOU CANNOT STUDY MUSIC/ART/GO TO UNIVERSITY UNLESS YOU GENIUS SHUT UP
>You become plumber or electrician
>THEN YOU BUY YOUR OWN BUSINESS
>NO YOU CAN'T MARRY THAT GIRL, SHE HAS HAD A BOYFRIEND BEFORE
>You will marry your cousin!
>NO YOU CANNOT MOVE OUT
>BUY HOUSE
>RENT TO CHINESE STUDENTS
They finally leave home at like 40, but they're usually set up and stable.
>>73256968
you and your shitty parents have no family values. I hope you all end up alone in a shitty retirement home drooling with Alzheimer's.
>>73256893
So what you're saying is he won't have a home, stable source of income, or a consistent schedule until he is 30.
You sure this guy is going to have kids?
>>73255831
i almost don't see young people working these jobs anymore
>>73256926
No she used it to pay our rent and put food on the table. We weren't rich and she hates basketball Americans as much as me.
>>73253173
I'm pretty sure your kid is legally your responsibility until he turns 18, which means that you'll get in legal trouble if you kick him out of the house for not paying rent at 16 years old.
>>73257245
There is, but when one parent is in the hospital dying and the other is there worried she will die when he's not at work, that kind of changes things.
>>73257230
>>73257213
Was the missing question mark that important?
>>73255596
>No. He can pay for his own college. The military will pay for almost all of it like it did for me. He can do that.
>letting your kid join the modern military
>>73257293
I thought NEETs were supposed to be above us wage slaves. What are you so butthurt about lol
>>73257047
And I don't know why you guys think it's "one or the other". It's not hard to work and study at the same time. Employers are expecting you to have a good amount of work experience (you cheat this by working 10-20 hrs/week) by the time you leave college anyways.
>>73254842
Lol, do you evne know what cuck means?
>>73257398
He can just stand around and do nothing all day in the military and then walk around like he is a hot shit badass and be condescending as fuck to everyone as if he had his dick and legs blown off in actual war, despite never getting deployed.
>>73255596
Military standards are going up unless you are black or a woman.
>>73257317
Do you live in the midwest? And sometimes you have to look closer, kids don't look so kiddy anymore.
>>73257423
I work faggot. I am 25 and married. Anyone who would charge their own child to live with them is a fucking retard who should be shot in the fucking head. You made that child and you want to collect money off of him/her when they are just starting their own life. Just as bad as banks who give everyone high interest student loans for useless degrees. You are the definition of fucking all jew stereotypes and should go put yourself in the fucking oven.
If you can't take care of your family, don't create one.
>>73257459
>looks at flag
Fuck. Got me again, Australia.
And to think I almost replied seriously again.
Still illegal, better to just charge him full rent when he hits 18 and make sure he knows that at 16.
>>73257304
He's stable, don't know when he'll have kids, though. Hope he waits until he thinks he's ready. His gf doesn't impress me much, she seems pretty ditzy. He's doing ok.
>>73257230
I think you are wrong in some respects, as many Italians are.
Even if the dude is a genius, working to pay shit will help them to be strategic.
Now, for example here in Australia working during the weekends will not make you rich, but will not even waste your fucking student career.
Students have too much free time. This make them less resilient. As a consequence, when pressure gets high, they end up fucking stressed and unable to cope.
So I'm not saying OP's kid should work to pay rent, but surely the experience will make him more strategic about what he wants, etc. Once he is independent, his life choices will be better.
Remember there is also the opposite of your green text. Namely parents who keep believing their kids are geniuses (a.k.a. Italian moms) so they invest more than needed on them and then end up blaming the kids when they fail at being the geniuses they were expected to be.
>>73257674
>>You are the definition of fucking all jew stereotypes
>supports coddling sons well into their late teens
>doesn't understand IDs and spazzes out in rage
Just kill yourself at this point honestly.
>>73257588
i barely knew anyone in high school who had a job
the "minimum wage needs to be a living wage" people aren't teenagers, they're adults
you can say "oh they should get a better job" or "should have gone to college" or whatever
but that isn't the point, the point is competition for these jobs is high these days and will only continue to be in the future
you got teens, young adults, and old mexican women trying to get these jobs
>>73257883
He might be a faggot, but he's right about OP being pretty Jewish.
>>73253173
MONEY MANAGMENT
HAHAHAHAHAHA, look OP money managment isn't taught, it's an inate function that a human has or doesn't have, like you, and how you don't have money managment skills.
Anedotically, i knew how to manage money around the age of 11, i realized at an early age there is not much point in buying frivolous shit that means nothing, or shit that gets used up in a instant that doesn't benefit you long term wise.
This is the reason why i had around 12k on my credit card once my family started to regularly give me money throughout middle school and highschool, went to community college, then took out loans for public university, now i work as a environmental geologist making 70k and at the same time being fun as fuck, ohh wait because of my innate money managment skills that no one taught me i have around 237k in my bank account, still living with mom and pop in a new house that i bought for them, having fun and making money and not fucking around with it or getting dragged down by marrying whores, which is what your wife is, a fucking whore.
You are a disgrace to the american dream and america itself, what type of piece of shit parent takes money from their kids, ohh wait i know, the type of parent that is shit and poor as fuck, that's who.
>>73257883
I understand it clearly and know you aren't OP. But if you are arguing on his behalf you can take the blunt of my argument as well. SO GO FUCK YOURSELF CUNT!
>>73258074
>stands against teaching your son responsibility and manhood
>screams in all caps when someone points out his faggotry
Typical degenerate beta nu-male.
>>73257674
Most parents charge a token rent. Like my parents. It's really nothing but teaching them that nothing is free.
For instance, I paid 50 dollars a week rent.
Kind of annoying.
That said when I was shopping around to buy my first car, looking at a bunch of used junk buckets, my parents refused. I looked at getting a loan for a real car. They instead gave me 20 grand. That was a level of debt they didn't want me saddled with.
They also use it as a method of control.
>You're going to study X and work X or you can pay rent!
Even Asian families do it - You do as your told and don't go and study Gender Studies, but rather Engineering or Medicine, otherwise you're paying rent (because they won't throw them out).
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