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UKIP MAKING WAVES IN THE WELSH ASSEMBLY
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>>73163089
First for are Nige
>No UKIP Holyrood seats.
Scotland's still fucked. What do we do now?
went to bed at 2am lads, what did I miss?
>>73163089
>BBC Two.
which is better, one or two ?
>>73163222
>Scotland's still fucked. What do we do now?
Better for the Cons to get those votes anyway anon.
>>73163222
EMIGRATE
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I FUCKING HATE BLAIRITES
Sixth for Plaid Cymru, the party of Weigh-els.
>>73163230
Wales has seen a bunch of UKIP seats.
SNP are likely 1 short of a majority.
Labour on full damage control. One of their candidates called their campaign 'self-immolation for dummies'.
Was involved in my first count and managed to reduce the Labour vote by 20.
I know it's small but felt good man
>>73163222
UKIP would never make grounds in Scotland. The place is too fucked between Unionist and Independent parties to focus on an EU-Out party. The gains in Wales and England are good however.
nth for plain cumrag, the party of Walels
>>73163329
oh heck
>>73163388
you mean WAYULS
>>73163351
Don't forget the terrible state of their party uphere too.
>>73163413
SNP-CON will be lovely.
For anons that have been asleep:
Aberdeen region has 7 seats. SNP need 2 for a majority.
They'll probably get 1 but 2 is highly unlikely as more constituency seats means less lists. Greens have also been splitting the indy vote.
>>73163508
If greens take a seat then all hell will break loose.
![AJR_LEC_011015_Arobieke[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/U9MGbTV.jpg "AJR_LEC_011015_Arobieke[1].jpg")
Purple Aki is now free to squeeze all the muscles he wants
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/akinwale-arobieke-10-year-ban-11291430
So what are we going to see if the SNP don't get a majority?
Any predictions?
What happened to Thannock? Last I heard Ukip lost by 1 vote
>>73163558
Good.
>>73163576
Greens will go mad with their new power and assume SNP will go with them. SNP will encourage this, cause a tantrum and go minority. Cons and SNP will work together while Green and Labour act like children.
God bless this man
HERE WE GO
ETERNAL
>ILLSBREH documentary
oh god NO
Can someone explain British parties to me? Conservatives aren't conservative? UKIP are nazis?
You britbongs confuse my amerifat brain.
NE SCOTLAND (FINAL REGION)
CON
LAB
CON
CON
LAB
LIB
CON
OVERALL RESULT: SNP short by: 2
>>73163910
Source?
>mfw
>>73163926
Typed as TV announced on BBC
>>73163926
He's right, I just got it late.
>>73163908
labour=berniefags
tories=clintonfags
ukip=reform party/those weird loony independents candidates no one votes for
snp=vermont progressive party
lib dems=who cares
>>73163957
>mfw
>Tories fw
>>73163910
>SNP
ayy lmao
Anyone else have penis inspection at the polling station yesterday? Thought they stopped doing it after 18 but apparently they just do it there instead.
>>73163275
>He STILL thinks the Tories are right wing
Yes, you are goyim #1.
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/06/camerons-torah-government/
>>73163089
If shit hits the fan we can always move the Wales
Scottish Parliament, the final result:
SNP: 63 MSPs (-6)
CON: 31 (+16)
LAB: 24 (-13)
GRN: 6 (+4)
LDEM: 5 (-)
>SHEEEEEEEEEIT
>>73164096
My political ideal is somewhere between the cons and the SNP so this works.
UKIP I mostly like for their anti-EU policy and possibility of pushing for an English Parliament but they are irrelevant in Scotland.
>>73163998
Lib Dems are GOAT but there's no way I'd vote for them with their current leader and they've all but collapsed
>>73163813
what a man
>>73164174
DUDE
WEED
i'd never vote for the liberals after 1911
If no mayor candidate has a majority - then the 2nd choice vote of the 3rd to last place candidates voters is added.
Is this good or bad for Zac?
>>73164155
>finishing behind the greens
>lel dumbs
wew
>>73163813
>They expect one of us in the wreckage
>>73164155
I'm not sure if the Green vote-splitting makes me happy or not.
I'd rather the Greens saw no real increase, but still a minority.
Greens are cunts.
>>73164232
>DUDE
>WEED
What?
and secondly that's a little while ago m8y
>>73164232
>i'd never vote for the liberals after 1911
So you head to the polling booths early then?
>>73164306
crashing this election
WITH NO SURVIVERS
>>73163998
>ukip=reform party/those weird loony independents candidates no one votes for
hardly more trump than anything, full of national pride and strong on border control.
got the rest right tho
>>73164384
you know trump actually registered for the reform party right?
>>73163865
Feel free to hide the thread, Hans. Auf Wiedersehen.
>>73164054
kek thought that was an american thing anyways
>>73164457
He probably lives in a muslim neighbourhood, need to check if he's cut before getting a vote
>>73164424
it's basically trump the party
>Scotland, with a political landscape defined by anti-Toryism
>Labour finish behind the Tories
I remember Corbynistas insisting the messiah could leader a Labour recovery in Scotland.
Just heard that Trump backs Brexit
I wonder if we can both the meme magic and the HIGH ENERGY
>>73163222
UKIP aren't even on the scottish results.
One of UKIPs main policy's is abolishing the Barnett formula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
The Barnett formula sees the Scottish receive £1,300 more per head in Government funding than England, obviously coming out mostly of the pocket of the English tax payer.
Thoughts on this
http://www.lse.ac.uk/IDEAS/publications/reports/pdf/A-EU-without-the-UK-LSE-IDEAS-Strategic-Update.pdf
>>73164672
Boris PM Trump pres.
Is it too much to ask?
>>73164627
>Scottish politics defined by "Fuck the tories"
>Tories make huge gains
God I think I'm feeling pride in my countrymen for the first time in a couple of decades
Just imagine Sturgeon, Davidson and Dugdale in a threesome with David Coburn sat on the sides chortling to himself and shouting obscenities at them
>>73164627
>managing to finish third in a two horse race
BRAVO JEZZA
>>73164786
thank you for not asking me to imagine david naked
and i say that as a gay man
>>73164763
>>73164424
oh right sweet, ukip got a shit ton of votes last cycle aswell 3rd most i think but because it was so spread out they only got 1 seat :/
>>73164505
doubt it see pic looks comfy af to me
>>73164845
yes, i remember
it was a dark night
i've been /britpol/ing since 2013
>>73164786
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/728350439901630464
based gay fat man
>>73164776
Because there's been a pivot to Unionist/Indy politics which is a least an ideological split rather than tribalist voting
>>73164758
summary?
Looks like its main conclusion is "UK leaving EU will have implications that should be considered" i.e. the same shit we hear every day
>People died at Waterloo and Nelson died at Trafalgar for the SNP
Disgraceful>>73164900
>>73164900
Didn't mean to @ u
Fucking Elvish.
>the city of the welsh language
>>73165050
thank you for clearing that up, i'm drunk
Who voted for the winning candidates here?
My constituency was SNP and I got a regional Green, just like I voted.
>>73165056
>Abolish the Welsh Assembly party
>40,000+ votes
Why are the Welsh cucking themselves?
>>73165110
>My constituency was SNP and I got a regional Green, just like I voted.
Idiot. Unless you really wanted the greens splitting your vote hurt indy overall.
>>73165160
it probably costs more money than its worth
>>73165160
>>73165110
Though hey, if you DID want the greens rather than voting for them purely to increase the indy vote then you're good.
The D'hondt system doesn't take kindly to tactical voting.
>>73165198
A few million here and there is pennies in political terms.
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>neil hamilton elected
G A I N S
>>73165160
We wouldn't of got an SNP regional even if all the Green voters switched.
Holy shit, Hamilton in the assembly
>>73164900
feels gud man every little helps
>>73165276
>We wouldn't of got an SNP regional even if all the Green voters switched.
Splitting your vote gives more seats overall to unionist parties. For every one the Greens grab you lose two.
It's actually better to go snp/snp overall.
>>73165298
Honestly though what the fuck do Reckless and Hamilton know about Wales though lmfao gonna be boring as fuck for them sat in their tellytubby circle parliament which has precisely zero power
Anyone know the mayoral outcome?
If Sadiq wins I know for sure this country's no longer for me
>>73165246
>A few million here and there is pennies in political terms.
that thinking is why your country and mine are deeply in debt
Vote conservative twice here in Angus north in Scotland. UKIP never stood a chance and we need to make sure a second Indy referendum never happens.
Feel kinda dirty though, not a single decent person to vote for.
Evans would get it though
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>>73165377
>his face when they're discussing irrelevant shit in Welsh
>>73163089
>Argraffiad Plaid Annibyniaeth y Deyrnas Unedig
Welsh: Totally Indistinguishable From Having a Stroke.
>>73165386
Sadiq wins
>>73165377
Why did welsh vote for them? They will do literally nothing and take a nice wage/pension for it.
>>73163910
>tfw no UKIP MSPs
feels shite lads.
>>73165336
>>73165276
Or more exactly:
Occasionally voting snp/green will be better but this is not predictable and the majority of the time is the shitty choice.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ams-for-lazy-people/
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-narcissism-of-small-differences/
And part 3, 4 and 5 that I can't be arsed to link but do read it.
Split vote was pushed by Greens and RISE for selfish reasons and by papers to fuck the SNP over.
>>73165402
Well if we got rid of WM and went federal (smaller federal government ofc) we'd save much, much more. Do you know how much it's going to cost to repair WM alone, for example? It's in the billions.
>>73163089
lads to be honest what's happening with London's mayor to be honest?
>>73165263
looks like barb lahey
>>73163908
UKIP = Trump style policy for UK. Party also supports ENDING gun ban on UK
>>73165386
Shame on you! Did Spain give up when they got Caliphated? Or did they reconquista that shit?
>>73165276
what about all green/rise/LD
also you'd have got ruths seat taking the SNP to only needing 1
>>73164155
Greens, 150k regional votes = 6 seats
UKIP 50k regional votes = 0 seats
meh
>>73165600
LD = Rise
the tired retardation is in full force
>>73165590
>>73163282
>>73165505
Tbqhwy he's a Dune Coon and now London's completely lost senpai
>>73165624
LD = rise should be LD = Solidarity
Fuck me i need to go to bed
>>73165481
Okay. This means I have to change my plans.
>>73165565
Demographic rubicon has been crossed in the UK decades ago.
I just didn't think it would be quite so sudden. Oh well, at least I have a lot of time to prepare.
>>73165503
Actually the third one was the most relevant so I will link it.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-sweet-spot/
Statistically speaking SNP/Green is bloody stupid. Even on the rare occasion it pays off it's luck. Unless you truly want Greens for their own merits rather than simply to increase the indy vote don't split your vote.
D'hondt is a very simple and very intelligently designed system.
>>73165600
I wouldn't of voted Green in a FPTP vote even though I support them, I don't even know why they stood there.
>>73163286
I think every brit/pol/ack does
>>73165276
Wait, wait a second?
You guys all WANT an SNP government? What the fuck is wrong with you, independence is not a good thing faggots
>>73165704
I don't hate them because I don't know what they are
>>73165701
Snp/green voter?!
Get out!
>>73165719
It is for the English
>>73165704
The only people who don't hate Blairites are other Blairites. They're convinced their shitty ideology won them their elections when they were fighting the fucking post-Thatcher cons who were deeply unpopular and corrupt as all shit to boot.
>>73165719
Half the voters didn't put an X by SNP by mistake, and there is no chance of another indyref anytime soon, it would be political suicide.
>>73165719
Most i think want a SNP-con government, i.e. SNP minority.
However the Greens have royally fucked it up for those who do want independence by being idiots and doing things like standing in ed central.
>>73165819
England needs its own referendum to kick you leeches out
>>73165719
It's simple.
1. Everyone wants Labour to die.
2. Everyone thinks the greens are loonies.
3. UKIP can't win in Scotland.
4. The SNP WILL be the largest party.
5. The SNP are better than Greens or Labour
Logically you should want an SNP minority with the Cons in support.
>>73165752
Blairites hardly know what they are either.
>>73165752
They're for open door immigration (especially if it's brown,) high taxes to pay for a big welfare system, and fucking around with the taxes on homeowners and married couples which absolutely MASSACRES the white birthrate. They're pretty antithetical to /pol/.
Before Tony Blaire got in, London might have been salvageable.
>>73165800
No it's not, if Scotland leaves the uk will collapse, the over seas territories will be lost (Gibraltar and Falklands etc) and this country will be lost to history.
The independence of Scotland is the worst thing that could happen for any nation in the United Kingdom
>>73165865
You cucks would vote to keep us, just like how you will vote to remain in the EU.
>>73165880
>The SNP are better than Greens or Labour
No they aren't. They're just as bad, and no amount of inighting can actually fracture them.
>>73165892
Don't forget ID cards.
>>73165906
Federal UK is the only solution long-term particularly if you want a strong position outside the EU. If that isn't on the table it's better to pull the bandage off now.
>>73165892
salvageable from what
>>73165955
I'd be ok with a Federal UK, so long as RoI joined
>>73165952
>No they aren't. They're just as bad, and no amount of inighting can actually fracture them.
The Greens are insane and Labour are corrupt. The SNP might occasionally drift into silly policies but they are at least in the real world (immigration aside).
SNP with Cons as a sanity check is perfect.
>>73163089
Here's a summary of events so far:
>Labour exceeds pollsters expectations in England, holding the vast majority of their 2011 gains and winning handily in key bellweather constituencies such as Crawley, Southampton, Redditch.
>Tories totally stagnant, especially in the south of England. The inability to improve their position on their disastrous 2011 results (in the wake of the omnishambles budget) will be worrying a lot of Tories behind closed doors
>Labour pushed into 3rd place in Scotland by Tories, SNP still utterly dominant in share of the vote (46%) however despite losing their overall majority. This is the best news of the night for the Tories althoug it is largely symbolic since the SNP utterly dominates Scottish politics on both a local and national level.
>UKIP and Plaid Cyrmru make some gains in Wales, but (for UKIP) not in the rest of the country
>London's mayoral election look like they're on course to a huge victory for Sadiq Khan.
The Rawlings and Thrasher predictions in the Guardian said that Labour would lose 150 seats, and the Telegraph saying they'd lose 170, both of which seem to hugely over-estimate Labour losses and represents a major failing in the polling industry following the general election. Labour's losses have come almost entirely from Scotland - this will worry the Blairites as a very poor election result was needed for them to be able to launch any coup attempt against Corbyn, and the Scottish Labour party is an outpost of Blairite politics and has been all my adult life.There will be some worry in the Tory party that they're unable to overtake Labour in the overall share of the vote or to win prestige victories in the London mayoral vote.
The media is having a very difficult time spinning this result as a disaster for Labour, hence the focus on Scotland since the Labour share of the vote in England has held up remarkably well, even increasing in certain key bellweathers, from any already high marker of 39% in 2011.
>>73165880
As someone that actually lives in Scotland, the SNP are literally evil. Everything has become measurably worse since they came to absolute power, and I would rather vote for Satan himself than SNP
>>73165160
As someone in North Wales the Welsh assembly doesn't really give a shit if you aren't in the South.
>>73166011
>so long as RoI joined
Not happening unless you can allow them not to have the Queen which is a legal clusterfuck and even then I doubt it. Maybe a century or so down the line once shit has calmed down (you could even stick NI in with it) but that's long after our time.
>>73165906
>£1,300 more per head than England
>worst health on Europe burdening the NHS
>propped up by English financial market
>Scottish oil mostly isn't even Scottish
>Welfare leeches supported by English tax payers
How will we be worse off exactly?
When will we have an Ingerland assembly for the Ingerlish?
>England will always have to support the failed regions of Scotland, Wales and NI
>>73166080
Did you just copy/paste from the Daily Mail?
>>73165459
Yeah let's not put:
Sir Anthony Hopkins
Roald Dahl
Dylan Thomas
The Millennium Stadium
Caernarfon Castle
Snowdonia
English buthurt at their ongoing kukkening is palpable.
>>73166080
Because we're losing 5 million British people and 80,000km of land
>>73165892
>blairites
>high taxes
haha what
also they were arses on welfare with their 'new deal' as well.
>>73166075
Arguably you could have them pledge alligence to Parliament.
But yeah, unless shtf Ireland is not friendly for a good 50+ years
>>73166044
>As someone that actually lives in Scotland, the SNP are literally evil. Everything has become measurably worse since they came to absolute power, and I would rather vote for Satan himself than SNP
I live in Scotland also anon and it's no worse under the SNP that it was under Labour. Hell at least silly shit like PFI, the Skye Bridge and Right to Buy have fucked off.
My only major complaints would be silly shit like the legal system changes and named person nonsense both of which the scotcons will prevent.
>>73163574
was Aki ever a 4chan meme? I remember his shenanigans from getbig.com years ago, watching the insanity unfold in real time
>>73165992
From what it is now; completely non british, completely owned by foreign money, overpopulated overpolluted and underperforming. I say this as a lifelong londoner. We're fucked dude. Have you been to tower hanlets or up the edgeware road?
>>73165955
Yeah that's a good one too.
>>73165803
This they are fucking idiots.
>>73166151
"British"
>>73166167
What about the state of the roads? Or the huge inefficiencies within public services, the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS, and the tax hikes to cover their inability to balance a budget?
>>73166057
>As someone in North Wales the Welsh assembly doesn't really give a shit if you aren't in the South.
I don't see how moving the government to London is going to help there.
>>73166160
>Arguably you could have them pledge alligence to Parliament.
Parliament is, legally speaking, subject to the Queen. Sadly not practical. I could see them joining EFTA if the UK goes for that though.
>But yeah, unless shtf Ireland is not friendly for a good 50+ years
We need to wait until the crazy shit murderers die off first at the very least.
This is a great result if you hate Labour.
>Ukip gaining seats at their expense in Wales
>Tories coming second in Scotland
>Losing a few seats in England but not enough to make a coup against Corbyn likely
Unless something ridiculous crops up it's likely Corbyn is still going to be there at the 2020 GE, which is exactly what the Tories want.
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In other news:
>This map reveals the areas which receive the biggest chunks of Britain's £161billion welfare bill, with some guzzling six times more in handouts than other parts of the nation.
New figures show the benefits capital is Knowsley, in Merseyside, which received a total of £149.8million last year after pension payments were stripped out.
With a population of around 80,000 it means that, on average, every adult there gets an annual benefit top up of almost £1,900.
>TOP 10
1. Knowsley, Merseyside (£149.8m)
2. Liverpool, Walton (£141.4m)
3. Blackley and Broughton (£129.3m)
4. Bootle, Merseyside (£126.1m)
5. Manchester Central (£125.0m)
6. Liverpool, Riverside (£124.3m)
7. Birmingham, Hodge Hill (£123.2m)
8. Liverpool, West Derby (£121.6m)
9. Birkenhead (£121.5m)
10. Leeds Central (£117.6m)
>scousers are biggest claimers of bennies
STOP THE PRESS
>>73166243
However if we vote to stay, UKIP will 100% become the opposition party
>>73166236
>the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS
the comparison is to prior years, not to 2006. 2006 was shit.
>and the tax hikes to cover their inability to balance a budget?
the only SNP tax 'hike' [read: not passing on a cut] has been income tax, or maybe stamp duty.
they are no worse than Labour ever were.
>>73166023
>They are at least in the real world.
With a literal state spy scheme giused as a "named guardian", they are anything but in the real world.
Not to mention that they are the ones who centralised the police forces under the control of the worst of them, and will refuse to arrest people praising terrorists, but arrest you if you criticise that.
>>73166194
I've never visited London in my life
apart from when I was really young and my parents took me to disneyland paris, I saw buckingham palace and Big Ben but I can't remember anything else really. Also fancy black taxis everywhere.
>>73166236
>What about the state of the roads? Or the huge inefficiencies within public services, the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS, and the tax hikes to cover their inability to balance a budget?
All of which were problems under Labour and earlier the Conservatives going as far back as silly things like the Beeching Cuts and the short-term building of the Forth Bridge. Hell PFI is quite literally a way to cover up an inability to budget and costs more long-term than an increase in taxes. And the NHS figures are 90% bullshit as are claims of increased tax. The DM is not a source.
>>73166254
>Breaking news: Areas of the UK that are poor claim more benefits than areas of the UK that are rich.
>>73166254
So none of them are in Scotland or Wales?
>>73166238
Moving the government isn't going to help, It's more of a protest vote in a vain attempt for the Welsh assembly to actually do something.
It's got more chance of being taken seriously than the Monster Raving Loonies anyway.
>>73166325
>SNP is great because they're not as bad as the other socialists
10/10 spindoctoring Alex, now if you excuse me I'm going to crawl along the street at 5mph trying my best not to ruin my car, so I can spend 5 hours waiting in line to find out that the nigerian nurse isn't in to get me a tetanus shot
>>73166368
Just end their benefits then, it's clearly not helping them.
>>73166393
>SNP is great
projection
i said they're no worse than labour, the only viable option.
fuck off.
>>73166254
>95% white
>biggest welfare scrounges
But... But niggers
>>73166408
>Guys say thanks when master whips you, there's no other options
Why is my country so full of fucking cucks?
>>73166328
>With a literal state spy scheme giused as a "named guardian", they are anything but in the real world.
Compared to the Greens and Labour that's fucking nothing. Hell the cons are hardly a model of hands-off government either.
>Not to mention that they are the ones who centralised the police forces under the control of the worst of them, and will refuse to arrest people praising terrorists, but arrest you if you criticise that.
Which, again, Labour and the Greens do also. And again show me evidence of the Cons fighting for my rights.
Do you expect a UKIP landslide in Scotland?
If not, practically speaking, the SNP minority is the best you can hope for.
>>73166335
So you have been to London.
>>73166335
>I've never visited London in my life
I went there recently. It felt like I was in a dystopian SF movie. Like a city designed to pretend at being a city instead of for people to live in.
>>73163908
Much like the American system it's hard to characterize a party too much because there is enormous variety within each party.
Essentially though:
Labour = Social Democrats
Conservatives = Free market nuts with slightly conservative values
Lib Dems = Liberals
UKIP = A one-policy party that pretends to be libertarian
SNP = A nationalist party that pretends being left-wing means they're the good guys
>>73166405
>Just end their benefits then, it's clearly not helping them.
>Because unemployment is caused by the the dole, not visa veera
>>73166435
again, you're implying i'm pro-SNP
i'm not pro-SNP, i'm against retards who go "THINGS HAVE ONLY GOT WORSE SINCE THE SNP CAME IN!!!11" and forget just how jesus-fucking-christ terrible the prior labour administrations were.
>>73166443
Scots won't vote UKIP because Farrage wants them to have a fair slice of government funding not based on the broken Barnett formula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
>TEENAGE VOTERS
ABORT
ABORT
ABORT
>>73166443
We don't need to go into the other parties, because it gets talked about enough.
Your party keep on getting away with being just as bad because you constantly spout off "watabouts" whenever your given criticism on policies the others also do.
>>73166490
The dole does not help reduce unemployment, if anything it actively decreases your chances of getting work
>>73164155
>LAB: 24 (-13)
>>73166377
>It's got more chance of being taken seriously than the Monster Raving Loonies anyway.
Fair enough. Still seems like you could vote for a party with a more reasonable goal and name though.
>>73166435
Who do you propose people vote for instead? If it comes down to SNP or Labour I'm going to go with the lesser of two evils. The SNP also have a chance of pushing for an English Parliament if it comes to that.
>>73166533
And Scottish UKIP are grossly incompetent. The reason really doesn't matter though. Practically speaking they aren't an option.
>>73166548
>Your party keep on getting away with being just as bad because you constantly spout off "watabouts" whenever your given criticism on policies the others also do.
Why do you assume they are 'my party'? Granted I voted for them with my constituency vote purely to get rid of Labour but that hardly makes me a paid up member.
>>73163813
>>73166533
desu the meming about "fair funding" only hurts unionism.
Kek Yogscart shirt on a BBC interviewee
>>73166616
Vote for the party you actually like, not flip flopping between the red and yellow communists
>>73166548
>We don't need to go into the other parties, because it gets talked about enough.
And yes we fucking do.
Practically speaking it is Labour or SNP (maybe green) in large parts of Scotland. SNP are flawed but less so than the alternatives. Logically you should vote for them rather than waste your time on some obscure shit that won't win.
>>73166254
>Leeds Central
Fucking scroungers ruining Leeds, thinking they have a right to live in a city centre
did you guys also have the police commissioner thing in your local area?
I voted an independent
>>73164758
It's pathetic. It starts with the premises that the EU is good and stable. Both just smuggled in without explicit mention, probably because of how laughable they are.
It ignores the fact that the EU is failing and it's only a matter of time before it no longer exists.
>>73166490
The cure to poverty is work and savings. Giving people money for nothing just removes their incentive to work.
Scot here, voted conservative and they held in my constituency. So I guess this will balance things out a bit.
Fucking Labour though, more like lolbour.
>>73166616
I don't think UKIP is too invested in Scotland anyway, probably why they don't monitor the party up their as thoroughly.
I wish it was possible to reform aspects of Scotland without all the anti-English crowd screaming "muh oppression"
Scotland is a lost cause to Westminster
>>73166673
>Vote for the party you actually like, not flip flopping between the red and yellow communists
Well firstly UKIP don't even stand where I live so that's out on a constituency level.
Secondly voting for them on the list will achieve nothing. This is the real world anon. Demcracy as shit.
Finally Scottish UKIP are a fucking worthless party anyway. I've no interest in voting for them just because they share a name with people I actually like. That's how Scotlab have lasted so long ffs.
>>73166648
I don't want to pay for Morag to do her 12 year media studies course and Angus' 20th heart attack this week
>>73166734
>Scotland is a lost cause to Westminster
WM is a lost cause anyway. They care about London first and fuck the rest.
It's time everyone stopped with shit like Wales v England and Scotland v England and started with UK v WM/South East.
>>73166142
>English buthurt
>English
How do you know?
>>73166738
So vote for the tories then, stop giving Sturgeon more power, she's already tightening the fist at every chance she gets
im so happy labour has been destroyed by the conservatives in Scotland!
>>73164155
so why did Scotland turn against labour?
>>73166774
then back independence and be done with it.
>UK's new polar research ship will be named RRS Sir David Attenborough
Twitter confirmed for butthurt
>>73166786
The scots are a spoilt child, you can't take a spoilt Childs Xbox 720 away from them without them resenting you.
Nice sunny day in the South West today lads. What's everyone up to?
>>73166034
>Labour Spin
As the government of opposition, they should have been making gains. Anything less then than it pretty bad. The conservatives making slight gains and getting second place in Scotland is clearly headache for labour, considering that this is the last big thing till 2020.
>>73166254
>The city in which you were born will never stop voting Labour because of 'muh bennies'.
Feels bad lads.
>>73165416
Not against independence personally if the vote swings that way. But I dislike the idea of career politicians just looking to get themselves into the history books of "freeing" Scotland from the Longshanks. Especially with Sturgeons SJW stance she's assumed lately.
I'm not having my country become Sweden 2.0 for the sake of their careers.
>>73166774
He is, however, right about it hurting unionism. Unless you're also going to apply the logic to shitholes like Birmingham etc as per >>73166254 you can't single out one part of the union based on what they make and cost (and Scotland, by and large, doesn't cost as much as shit like the DM claims).
If you want to do fair funding you federalise. You don't go a Germany and centralise then complain the underfunded fringes suck ass.
>>73166808
>Tories
>Winning in Glasgow
Regardless Glasgow Labour is so terribly, terribly corrupt that SNP are a massive improvement simply by existing.
List votes are a different matter, perhaps.
>>73166831
corbyn
>>73166903
>Actually living in Glasgow
How dark is your skin, on a scale from Greek to Congolese?
>>73166854
Twitter manchildren getting BTFO. What a pathetic nation we are where we'd rather make snarky lolsorandum jokes than take pride in anything.
>>73166857
>The scots are a spoilt child, you can't take a spoilt Childs Xbox 720 away from them without them resenting you.
>Continuing the factionalism
This only benefits WM anon.
True or not all these problems go away when you remove WM. Funding is raised locally in each country with a set % going to federal shit like the armed forces and, perhaps, fair funding of specific infrastructure projects for the poorer areas like Wales and Birmingham. Nobody need bitch about money then.
And again you appear not to be applying this same logic to places like Birmingham or Liverpool which are significantly higher in terms of benefit sponges.
Or fucking NI. Good god NI.
>>73166870
At work with a fucking beefcake of a hangover.
Send help.
>>73167002
>literally everything now has some shitty variation of [Thing]yMc[Thing]face because of that
Some of the responses are gold: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/728504557303701504?
>I suppose we can't persuade Sir David to change his name by deed poll to Boaty McBoatface? #ProbablyNot
>congratulations,now thousands of school children no longer have an interest in scientific research
>Pathetic to overturn a popular vote like this. What could have celebrated British humour is now the worst kind of stuffiness.
>What's the point of asking people, they should have gone with the popular choice
These people are clearly too retarded to realise just how embarrassing a naval search vessel called Boaty McBoatface would sound.
>>73163908
British Political Parties for Americans.
The Labour Party - a Democratic Socialist party founded by the trade unions in the early 20th century. They moved to the right substantially under Tony Blair's "New Labour" and then recently elected Jeremy Corbyn, a militant socialist, as their leader signalling a move to the left. Who votes for them - an alliance between the urban proletariat and middle-class radicals. Geographically their vote is/was the big industrial cities of the Midlands (Birmingham, Coventry, Nottingham, Wolverhampton), the North (Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle) and Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee).
The Conservative Party aka the Tories - Originally the party of the aristocratic landed gentry, of King and Country, today they're the political wing of the City of London and the banks. Who votes for them - pensioners, the "patriotic" working-class, landlords, petit-bourgeois small business and the City. Pro-business, privatization, but more socially liberal than the American Republicans. Geographically strongest in rural areas and in the "home counties" outside London & the south-east.
The Liberal Democrats - the direct descents of Britains oldest political party, the Whigs, they renamed themselves the Liberals in the late 19th century, and were the political representatives of the bourgeosie against the Tory aristocracy. They were replaced as the main opposition to the Tories by Labour following ww1 and the introduction of universal suffrage. In the 1980's they merged with a group of Labour party splitters called the Social Democrats to produce the Liberal Democrats. Under leader Nick Clegg they participated as the junior partner in a coalition with the Tories under David Cameron from 2010-2015, which proved immensely unpopular and led to their vote share collapsing from 23% to 7.9% and going from 56 MP's to 8 in the 2015 general election. Who votes for them - no-one, any more.
![tumblr_nm7008b0a81qjjck0o1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SLfg2cT.jpg "tumblr_nm7008b0a81qjjck0o1_500[1].jpg")
>Be a Lib Dem supporter in 2010
>Sceptical but optimistic about the prospects of the coalition government
>Tax allowance increases
>War in Libya prevented
>'Snooper's Charter' blocked
>Housing market revitalised
>8/10 overall
>Vote for them in 2015
>They get completely smashed because of muh tuition fees and fear of the SNP
>Even based Vince Cable loses his seat
>No suitable leader to replace Clegg, who was easily the most charismatic of Miliband/Cameron/Clegg
>Was the only leader prepared to do a 1v1 debate with Farage
>Clegg gets replaced by a literal who
>Party falls further and further into irrelevance
>Can't even win local elections, the old stronghold of the liberals
we're back?
>>73164731
>mostly
Fucking nothing more like.
You do realize Scotland pays more taxes per head as well, right?
Scotland PAYS for Englands middle-belt comfy lifestyle.
This is why they want full financial autonomy.
*tips fedora*
>>73166902
>Lately.
It's encapsulated the etire party elite for at least 20+ years. Her and Salmond simply ranked it up to 11.
>>73167130
>moot
>>73166947
silly answer
>>73166831
years of complacency (new labour was predicated on scotland, NE, etc all being forced to vote for labour due to the lack of an alternative 'monkey in a red rosette' so labour could focus on middle-england swing seats.)
in 1999 scotland got a parliament that labour thought would be liberal-labour deals forever
in 2007 the snp won the most seats and became the government, labour never got over it but let it happen thinking it was just a blip
in 2011 the snp won a majority of seats and called a referendum on independence
in 2014 labour and conservatives were on the same side underlining "how far they'd fallen" (not helping by how agreeable the two generally were.), most of the poorer labour voters voted 'yes' to independence.
in 2015 labour's WM seats were wiped out because nobody fell for the 'you need to vote for us to stop the tories' meme, and because the working class support pushed the SNP to about 50% of the vote nationwide [FPTP = simple plurality to get the seat = 50% of the vote ensures you get it but you can win it on 25.1 or less if things go perfect.]
in 2015-16 labour became a completely confused mess after that result and as a result underscored how laughably lacking in credibility they were, leading whatever voters that were left to go to the conservative.
so in summary:
bled left wing support to the SNP
bled unionist/blairite support to CON
>>73167143
>Canadian pilgrim living in UK, researching news & religion and teaching soc sci theory & method @IslamUKCentre. Purveyor of soulless wit.
yuck
>>73166167
Named person is never going away. Scotland being used as an nwo testbed. Expect more creepiness as they finish their swedish experiment and move on to you guys
>>73167143
Do people still think of UKIP as racist? I thought that decade-long storm had been weathered and broke ground on the coast of Labour.
LABOUR
B T F O
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>>73167225
Leftists will never not think they're racist. Even if they became progressive enough that would make Corbyn think they're a bit extreme.
>>73167225
with normal people, you're right but the young leftists live in an echo chamber and haven't heard the news
Kippers on 7!
give me a run down, I just woke up
>>73166485
I live in South London. Once full of cheeky cockney it's now shitter than mos eisley. So much fabric on so much brown peasantry.
Vive Le Catford!
>>73167189
>social science theory
What did he mean by this?
>>73167156
hiro you mean.
also, i knew fraser nelson is a cuck, but this is a new low.
>>73167286
(In Wales)
>>73163351
Ukip can make gains in scotland because its not FPTP.
the issue is coburn is a fucking liability...
>>73167348
WAYULS
>>73167348
>in wales
>>73167311
cultural marxism
>Not a single Plymouth seat had a voter turnout above 38%
>Dole scum on the west side voted all kept Labour
>UKIP gained three seats
>Hung council
Not the result I was expecting to be fair, glad UKIP gained though.
Lots of salt on twitter this morning boys.
>>73166870
Enjoying the sun on the hills of Malvern
>>73167011
>Every-time someone calls out another demographic you call factionalism
>There are absolutely no differences between the English and the Scots
>All of us are equal
>in every way
Fuck off libcuck. The Scots are overwhelmingly left wing voting welfare hogs and the only reason it WORKS in Scotland is the fucking Barnett Formula. It's our countries (England and Wales) that needs to take in all the fucking immigrants, all the shit that needs to fill up the bottom rungs of society for a welfare state to survive. The worst part is even the so-called red-pilled Scots on 4chan still vote SNP or Labour, because it works for them, because they have the better end of the deal and they know it.
Stop crying -isms every time someone points out that another group of people are fucking them over with their left wing SJW bullshit.
>>73167435
I imagine Cybernat twitter are pretty annoyed that the SNP actually lost seats and that those DAMN TRAITOROUS UNIONISTS gained.
This isn't the place to ask but I know that other bongs can help me and not people in other countries
As an 18 year old neet with no gcses, because I didn't turn up to exams, how do I get out of this.
Job? Apprenticeship? The only thing is I don't wanna work in a McDonald's or behind the counter at a Tesco. I know Jobs like security can pay well and you don't really need qualifications for that. How's bartending, I assume it's not good?
What do, lads? I want out of this neet life
>>73167435
they're right tho
neil hamilton is an embarrassment to any political party
and his godawful wife too
>>73166254
>tfw you live in one of those areas
>>73167537
retake the fucking exams you stupid child
do courses at a local college or something
and get a fucking job even if you don't like it. don't be a parasite
>>73167537
Volunteer/Retail/Apprencticeships
With your level of "education" you cannot turn away work
>>73167511
Mostly greens crying because SNP meanies called them out on killing independence for a generation.
>b-but #bothvotessnp cost more pro-indy seats! a-actually we did nothing wrong. r-ruth would've been on the list anyway!
it's pretty funny
>>73167537
apprenticeship, but you will ve asked to take core gcse exams i think. you cannot get on without them.
>>73167537
move to scotland and jump on benefits m8
>>73167537
>Didn't bother turning up for GCSEs
>Unemployed neet
>I DON'T WANT TO WORK AT MCDONALDS OR TESCO THOUGH
Grow up
>>73167537
>become plumber or electrician
>get van
>start business
>live comfortably
Bonus points for leaving a copy of the sun on your dashboard and shouting at women out of your window
>>73167537
>As an 18 year old neet with no gcses, because I didn't turn up to exams, how do I get out of this.
You need to retake your GCSE's and come up with a good excuse for why you fucked them up when you were in school. Pretend a relative died during the GCSE period or something. Then you might have half a chance.
Dave in position to attempt banter.
>>73167446
>>73166870
Walking the dog soon here's an old pic gunna get a few more it's a beautiful day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSEU5zHgcTc
>tfw Anglo
>>73167537
>As an 18 year old neet with no gcses, because I didn't turn up to exams, how do I get out of this.
>The only thing is I don't wanna work in a McDonald's or behind the counter at a Tesco
You are the reason businesses are importing eastern Europeans to fill empty positions.
You have no assets, no experience and no qualifications. Why would anyone hire you?
If you're not autistic, go work in a call centre or sign up for a door to door sales recruitment company.
>>73163089
I doubled the vote for the Conservatives in Kirkcaldy, Scotland.
Don't forget the 3000 Syrian children killed by Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservatives goyim
do yanks still use paper ballots?
>>73167107
>Pathetic to overturn a popular vote like this.
>What's the point of asking people, they should have gone with the popular choice
Twitter retards never seem to realise that if everything was decided by a popular vote we'd have zero immigration, capital punishment would be reinstated and we'd have a Tory/Ukip government.
There's a reason why we have parliamentary democracy rather than mob rule
>>73167435
They're right you tit. Hamilton is corrupt, he was kicked out of the Tories for his 'Cash for Questions' scandal back in the 90s.
>>73167708
>That wants students to have to pay to go to university and wants people to have to pay for prescriptions.
It beyond piss that they now talk about this deluded crap as though thesse proposals are beyond the pale and incomprehensable to think of.
>>73166080
>Scotland pays more taxes than English
>NHS England is fucking collapsing in on itself thanks to Jeremy Cunt. Literally worse than Welsh NHS now.
>lol
>said oil is worthless now
>more on welfare in England than in Scotland.
You probably have a David Cameron sex doll, right?
>>73166236
>the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS
Piss off.
I've been in the hospital every year since 2004 due to chronic illness, and it has improved MASSIVELY in the last decade and a bit.
NHS Scotland has even improved in general public opinion, as have the others. (even Wales)
All except NHS England, that is, because of the changes Jeremy Hunt introduced that corrupted the NHS from cooperation to competition, then slashed their budgets so they couldn't even properly fucking cover the costs of adapting!
>>73166490
Actually, it does.
A punishing welfare system leads to:
crime
unemployment
long-term illness.
There has been countless cases around the world where the opposite, a decent welfare state, actually lowers those 3 things considerably.
A welfare state is NOT a bad thing.
A welfare state keeps people in work. (as evidenced by the whole of North Europe)
>>73166533
Stop posting. You don't know shit about the UKs financials.
>>73167011
No point in you even replying to him anyway.
He is a generic fucking moron that has no idea how the UK actually works.
He probably gets his news from the TV. (and related news sites)
Finally, posting works again. God damn son.
Time to make breakfast.
>>73167708
Are Scots the most salty people on earth?
>>73167708
the prescription charges thing always hit me as weird. it seems like token bastardism (given if memory is right it's cheaper (or at least the same cost) to give free prescriptions than it is to run the apparatus of means-testing.)
>>73167685
>MFW if Zulu was made now it would be the story of a heroic victory for poor blacks against muh ebil Englishmen and would get 12 Oscars just for it's trailer
>>73167732
Yes but not always.
