UKIP MAKING WAVES IN THE WELSH ASSEMBLY
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>>73163089
First for are Nige
>No UKIP Holyrood seats.
Scotland's still fucked. What do we do now?
went to bed at 2am lads, what did I miss?
>>73163089
>BBC Two.
which is better, one or two ?
>>73163222
>Scotland's still fucked. What do we do now?
Better for the Cons to get those votes anyway anon.
>>73163222
EMIGRATE
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I FUCKING HATE BLAIRITES
Sixth for Plaid Cymru, the party of Weigh-els.
>>73163230
Wales has seen a bunch of UKIP seats.
SNP are likely 1 short of a majority.
Labour on full damage control. One of their candidates called their campaign 'self-immolation for dummies'.
Was involved in my first count and managed to reduce the Labour vote by 20.
I know it's small but felt good man
>>73163222
UKIP would never make grounds in Scotland. The place is too fucked between Unionist and Independent parties to focus on an EU-Out party. The gains in Wales and England are good however.
nth for plain cumrag, the party of Walels
>>73163329
oh heck
>>73163388
you mean WAYULS
>>73163351
Don't forget the terrible state of their party uphere too.
>>73163413
SNP-CON will be lovely.
For anons that have been asleep:
Aberdeen region has 7 seats. SNP need 2 for a majority.
They'll probably get 1 but 2 is highly unlikely as more constituency seats means less lists. Greens have also been splitting the indy vote.
>>73163508
If greens take a seat then all hell will break loose.
Purple Aki is now free to squeeze all the muscles he wants
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/akinwale-arobieke-10-year-ban-11291430
So what are we going to see if the SNP don't get a majority?
Any predictions?
What happened to Thannock? Last I heard Ukip lost by 1 vote
>>73163558
Good.
>>73163576
Greens will go mad with their new power and assume SNP will go with them. SNP will encourage this, cause a tantrum and go minority. Cons and SNP will work together while Green and Labour act like children.
God bless this man
HERE WE GO
ETERNAL
>ILLSBREH documentary
oh god NO
Can someone explain British parties to me? Conservatives aren't conservative? UKIP are nazis?
You britbongs confuse my amerifat brain.
NE SCOTLAND (FINAL REGION)
CON
LAB
CON
CON
LAB
LIB
CON
OVERALL RESULT: SNP short by: 2
>>73163910
Source?
>mfw
>>73163926
Typed as TV announced on BBC
>>73163926
He's right, I just got it late.
>>73163908
labour=berniefags
tories=clintonfags
ukip=reform party/those weird loony independents candidates no one votes for
snp=vermont progressive party
lib dems=who cares
>>73163957
>mfw
>Tories fw
>>73163910
>SNP
ayy lmao
Anyone else have penis inspection at the polling station yesterday? Thought they stopped doing it after 18 but apparently they just do it there instead.
>>73163275
>He STILL thinks the Tories are right wing
Yes, you are goyim #1.
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/06/camerons-torah-government/
>>73163089
If shit hits the fan we can always move the Wales
Scottish Parliament, the final result:
SNP: 63 MSPs (-6)
CON: 31 (+16)
LAB: 24 (-13)
GRN: 6 (+4)
LDEM: 5 (-)
>SHEEEEEEEEEIT
>>73164096
My political ideal is somewhere between the cons and the SNP so this works.
UKIP I mostly like for their anti-EU policy and possibility of pushing for an English Parliament but they are irrelevant in Scotland.
>>73163998
Lib Dems are GOAT but there's no way I'd vote for them with their current leader and they've all but collapsed
>>73163813
what a man
>>73164174
DUDE
WEED
i'd never vote for the liberals after 1911
If no mayor candidate has a majority - then the 2nd choice vote of the 3rd to last place candidates voters is added.
Is this good or bad for Zac?
>>73164155
>finishing behind the greens
>lel dumbs
wew
>>73163813
>They expect one of us in the wreckage
>>73164155
I'm not sure if the Green vote-splitting makes me happy or not.
I'd rather the Greens saw no real increase, but still a minority.
Greens are cunts.
>>73164232
>DUDE
>WEED
What?
and secondly that's a little while ago m8y
>>73164232
>i'd never vote for the liberals after 1911
So you head to the polling booths early then?
>>73164306
crashing this election
WITH NO SURVIVERS
>>73163998
>ukip=reform party/those weird loony independents candidates no one votes for
hardly more trump than anything, full of national pride and strong on border control.
got the rest right tho
>>73164384
you know trump actually registered for the reform party right?
>>73163865
Feel free to hide the thread, Hans. Auf Wiedersehen.
>>73164054
kek thought that was an american thing anyways
>>73164457
He probably lives in a muslim neighbourhood, need to check if he's cut before getting a vote
>>73164424
it's basically trump the party
>Scotland, with a political landscape defined by anti-Toryism
>Labour finish behind the Tories
I remember Corbynistas insisting the messiah could leader a Labour recovery in Scotland.
Just heard that Trump backs Brexit
I wonder if we can both the meme magic and the HIGH ENERGY
>>73163222
UKIP aren't even on the scottish results.
One of UKIPs main policy's is abolishing the Barnett formula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
The Barnett formula sees the Scottish receive £1,300 more per head in Government funding than England, obviously coming out mostly of the pocket of the English tax payer.
Thoughts on this
http://www.lse.ac.uk/IDEAS/publications/reports/pdf/A-EU-without-the-UK-LSE-IDEAS-Strategic-Update.pdf
>>73164672
Boris PM Trump pres.
Is it too much to ask?
>>73164627
>Scottish politics defined by "Fuck the tories"
>Tories make huge gains
God I think I'm feeling pride in my countrymen for the first time in a couple of decades
Just imagine Sturgeon, Davidson and Dugdale in a threesome with David Coburn sat on the sides chortling to himself and shouting obscenities at them
>>73164627
>managing to finish third in a two horse race
BRAVO JEZZA
>>73164786
thank you for not asking me to imagine david naked
and i say that as a gay man
>>73164424
oh right sweet, ukip got a shit ton of votes last cycle aswell 3rd most i think but because it was so spread out they only got 1 seat :/
>>73164505
doubt it see pic looks comfy af to me
>>73164845
yes, i remember
it was a dark night
i've been /britpol/ing since 2013
>>73164786
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/728350439901630464
based gay fat man
>>73164776
Because there's been a pivot to Unionist/Indy politics which is a least an ideological split rather than tribalist voting
>>73164758
summary?
Looks like its main conclusion is "UK leaving EU will have implications that should be considered" i.e. the same shit we hear every day
>People died at Waterloo and Nelson died at Trafalgar for the SNP
Disgraceful>>73164900
>>73164900
Didn't mean to @ u
Fucking Elvish.
>the city of the welsh language
>>73165050
thank you for clearing that up, i'm drunk
Who voted for the winning candidates here?
My constituency was SNP and I got a regional Green, just like I voted.
>>73165056
>Abolish the Welsh Assembly party
>40,000+ votes
Why are the Welsh cucking themselves?
>>73165110
>My constituency was SNP and I got a regional Green, just like I voted.
Idiot. Unless you really wanted the greens splitting your vote hurt indy overall.
>>73165160
it probably costs more money than its worth
>>73165160
>>73165110
Though hey, if you DID want the greens rather than voting for them purely to increase the indy vote then you're good.
The D'hondt system doesn't take kindly to tactical voting.
>>73165198
A few million here and there is pennies in political terms.
>neil hamilton elected
G A I N S
>>73165160
We wouldn't of got an SNP regional even if all the Green voters switched.
Holy shit, Hamilton in the assembly
>>73164900
feels gud man every little helps
>>73165276
>We wouldn't of got an SNP regional even if all the Green voters switched.
Splitting your vote gives more seats overall to unionist parties. For every one the Greens grab you lose two.
It's actually better to go snp/snp overall.
>>73165298
Honestly though what the fuck do Reckless and Hamilton know about Wales though lmfao gonna be boring as fuck for them sat in their tellytubby circle parliament which has precisely zero power
Anyone know the mayoral outcome?
If Sadiq wins I know for sure this country's no longer for me
>>73165246
>A few million here and there is pennies in political terms.
that thinking is why your country and mine are deeply in debt
Vote conservative twice here in Angus north in Scotland. UKIP never stood a chance and we need to make sure a second Indy referendum never happens.
Feel kinda dirty though, not a single decent person to vote for.
Evans would get it though
![_78799010_shocks_1997_neil-hamilton_martin-bell[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ats9VhU.jpg "78799010 shocks 1997 neil-hamilton martin-bell[1]")
>>73165377
>his face when they're discussing irrelevant shit in Welsh
>>73163089
>Argraffiad Plaid Annibyniaeth y Deyrnas Unedig
Welsh: Totally Indistinguishable From Having a Stroke.
>>73165386
Sadiq wins
>>73165377
Why did welsh vote for them? They will do literally nothing and take a nice wage/pension for it.
>>73163910
>tfw no UKIP MSPs
feels shite lads.
>>73165336
>>73165276
Or more exactly:
Occasionally voting snp/green will be better but this is not predictable and the majority of the time is the shitty choice.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ams-for-lazy-people/
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-narcissism-of-small-differences/
And part 3, 4 and 5 that I can't be arsed to link but do read it.
Split vote was pushed by Greens and RISE for selfish reasons and by papers to fuck the SNP over.
>>73165402
Well if we got rid of WM and went federal (smaller federal government ofc) we'd save much, much more. Do you know how much it's going to cost to repair WM alone, for example? It's in the billions.
>>73163089
lads to be honest what's happening with London's mayor to be honest?
>>73165263
looks like barb lahey
>>73163908
UKIP = Trump style policy for UK. Party also supports ENDING gun ban on UK
>>73165386
Shame on you! Did Spain give up when they got Caliphated? Or did they reconquista that shit?
>>73165276
what about all green/rise/LD
also you'd have got ruths seat taking the SNP to only needing 1
>>73164155
Greens, 150k regional votes = 6 seats
UKIP 50k regional votes = 0 seats
meh
>>73165600
LD = Rise
the tired retardation is in full force
>>73165590
>>73163282
>>73165505
Tbqhwy he's a Dune Coon and now London's completely lost senpai
>>73165624
LD = rise should be LD = Solidarity
Fuck me i need to go to bed
>>73165481
Okay. This means I have to change my plans.
>>73165565
Demographic rubicon has been crossed in the UK decades ago.
I just didn't think it would be quite so sudden. Oh well, at least I have a lot of time to prepare.
>>73165503
Actually the third one was the most relevant so I will link it.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-sweet-spot/
Statistically speaking SNP/Green is bloody stupid. Even on the rare occasion it pays off it's luck. Unless you truly want Greens for their own merits rather than simply to increase the indy vote don't split your vote.
D'hondt is a very simple and very intelligently designed system.
>>73165600
I wouldn't of voted Green in a FPTP vote even though I support them, I don't even know why they stood there.
>>73163286
I think every brit/pol/ack does
>>73165276
Wait, wait a second?
You guys all WANT an SNP government? What the fuck is wrong with you, independence is not a good thing faggots
>>73165704
I don't hate them because I don't know what they are
>>73165701
Snp/green voter?!
Get out!
>>73165719
It is for the English
>>73165704
The only people who don't hate Blairites are other Blairites. They're convinced their shitty ideology won them their elections when they were fighting the fucking post-Thatcher cons who were deeply unpopular and corrupt as all shit to boot.
>>73165719
Half the voters didn't put an X by SNP by mistake, and there is no chance of another indyref anytime soon, it would be political suicide.
>>73165719
Most i think want a SNP-con government, i.e. SNP minority.
However the Greens have royally fucked it up for those who do want independence by being idiots and doing things like standing in ed central.
>>73165819
England needs its own referendum to kick you leeches out
>>73165719
It's simple.
1. Everyone wants Labour to die.
2. Everyone thinks the greens are loonies.
3. UKIP can't win in Scotland.
4. The SNP WILL be the largest party.
5. The SNP are better than Greens or Labour
Logically you should want an SNP minority with the Cons in support.
>>73165752
Blairites hardly know what they are either.
>>73165752
They're for open door immigration (especially if it's brown,) high taxes to pay for a big welfare system, and fucking around with the taxes on homeowners and married couples which absolutely MASSACRES the white birthrate. They're pretty antithetical to /pol/.
Before Tony Blaire got in, London might have been salvageable.
>>73165800
No it's not, if Scotland leaves the uk will collapse, the over seas territories will be lost (Gibraltar and Falklands etc) and this country will be lost to history.
The independence of Scotland is the worst thing that could happen for any nation in the United Kingdom
>>73165865
You cucks would vote to keep us, just like how you will vote to remain in the EU.
>>73165880
>The SNP are better than Greens or Labour
No they aren't. They're just as bad, and no amount of inighting can actually fracture them.
>>73165892
Don't forget ID cards.
>>73165906
Federal UK is the only solution long-term particularly if you want a strong position outside the EU. If that isn't on the table it's better to pull the bandage off now.
>>73165892
salvageable from what
>>73165955
I'd be ok with a Federal UK, so long as RoI joined
>>73165952
>No they aren't. They're just as bad, and no amount of inighting can actually fracture them.
The Greens are insane and Labour are corrupt. The SNP might occasionally drift into silly policies but they are at least in the real world (immigration aside).
SNP with Cons as a sanity check is perfect.
>>73163089
Here's a summary of events so far:
>Labour exceeds pollsters expectations in England, holding the vast majority of their 2011 gains and winning handily in key bellweather constituencies such as Crawley, Southampton, Redditch.
>Tories totally stagnant, especially in the south of England. The inability to improve their position on their disastrous 2011 results (in the wake of the omnishambles budget) will be worrying a lot of Tories behind closed doors
>Labour pushed into 3rd place in Scotland by Tories, SNP still utterly dominant in share of the vote (46%) however despite losing their overall majority. This is the best news of the night for the Tories althoug it is largely symbolic since the SNP utterly dominates Scottish politics on both a local and national level.
>UKIP and Plaid Cyrmru make some gains in Wales, but (for UKIP) not in the rest of the country
>London's mayoral election look like they're on course to a huge victory for Sadiq Khan.
The Rawlings and Thrasher predictions in the Guardian said that Labour would lose 150 seats, and the Telegraph saying they'd lose 170, both of which seem to hugely over-estimate Labour losses and represents a major failing in the polling industry following the general election. Labour's losses have come almost entirely from Scotland - this will worry the Blairites as a very poor election result was needed for them to be able to launch any coup attempt against Corbyn, and the Scottish Labour party is an outpost of Blairite politics and has been all my adult life.There will be some worry in the Tory party that they're unable to overtake Labour in the overall share of the vote or to win prestige victories in the London mayoral vote.
The media is having a very difficult time spinning this result as a disaster for Labour, hence the focus on Scotland since the Labour share of the vote in England has held up remarkably well, even increasing in certain key bellweathers, from any already high marker of 39% in 2011.
>>73165880
As someone that actually lives in Scotland, the SNP are literally evil. Everything has become measurably worse since they came to absolute power, and I would rather vote for Satan himself than SNP
>>73165160
As someone in North Wales the Welsh assembly doesn't really give a shit if you aren't in the South.
>>73166011
>so long as RoI joined
Not happening unless you can allow them not to have the Queen which is a legal clusterfuck and even then I doubt it. Maybe a century or so down the line once shit has calmed down (you could even stick NI in with it) but that's long after our time.
>>73165906
>£1,300 more per head than England
>worst health on Europe burdening the NHS
>propped up by English financial market
>Scottish oil mostly isn't even Scottish
>Welfare leeches supported by English tax payers
How will we be worse off exactly?
When will we have an Ingerland assembly for the Ingerlish?
>England will always have to support the failed regions of Scotland, Wales and NI
>>73166080
Did you just copy/paste from the Daily Mail?
>>73165459
Yeah let's not put:
Sir Anthony Hopkins
Roald Dahl
Dylan Thomas
The Millennium Stadium
Caernarfon Castle
Snowdonia
English buthurt at their ongoing kukkening is palpable.
>>73166080
Because we're losing 5 million British people and 80,000km of land
>>73165892
>blairites
>high taxes
haha what
also they were arses on welfare with their 'new deal' as well.
>>73166075
Arguably you could have them pledge alligence to Parliament.
But yeah, unless shtf Ireland is not friendly for a good 50+ years
>>73166044
>As someone that actually lives in Scotland, the SNP are literally evil. Everything has become measurably worse since they came to absolute power, and I would rather vote for Satan himself than SNP
I live in Scotland also anon and it's no worse under the SNP that it was under Labour. Hell at least silly shit like PFI, the Skye Bridge and Right to Buy have fucked off.
My only major complaints would be silly shit like the legal system changes and named person nonsense both of which the scotcons will prevent.
>>73163574
was Aki ever a 4chan meme? I remember his shenanigans from getbig.com years ago, watching the insanity unfold in real time
>>73165992
From what it is now; completely non british, completely owned by foreign money, overpopulated overpolluted and underperforming. I say this as a lifelong londoner. We're fucked dude. Have you been to tower hanlets or up the edgeware road?
>>73165955
Yeah that's a good one too.
>>73165803
This they are fucking idiots.
>>73166151
"British"
>>73166167
What about the state of the roads? Or the huge inefficiencies within public services, the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS, and the tax hikes to cover their inability to balance a budget?
>>73166057
>As someone in North Wales the Welsh assembly doesn't really give a shit if you aren't in the South.
I don't see how moving the government to London is going to help there.
>>73166160
>Arguably you could have them pledge alligence to Parliament.
Parliament is, legally speaking, subject to the Queen. Sadly not practical. I could see them joining EFTA if the UK goes for that though.
>But yeah, unless shtf Ireland is not friendly for a good 50+ years
We need to wait until the crazy shit murderers die off first at the very least.
This is a great result if you hate Labour.
>Ukip gaining seats at their expense in Wales
>Tories coming second in Scotland
>Losing a few seats in England but not enough to make a coup against Corbyn likely
Unless something ridiculous crops up it's likely Corbyn is still going to be there at the 2020 GE, which is exactly what the Tories want.
![33DFDEFC00000578-3575400-image-a-1_1462469879997[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yNFXMqx.jpg "33DFDEFC00000578-3575400-image-a-1 1462469879997[1]")
In other news:
>This map reveals the areas which receive the biggest chunks of Britain's £161billion welfare bill, with some guzzling six times more in handouts than other parts of the nation.
New figures show the benefits capital is Knowsley, in Merseyside, which received a total of £149.8million last year after pension payments were stripped out.
With a population of around 80,000 it means that, on average, every adult there gets an annual benefit top up of almost £1,900.
>TOP 10
1. Knowsley, Merseyside (£149.8m)
2. Liverpool, Walton (£141.4m)
3. Blackley and Broughton (£129.3m)
4. Bootle, Merseyside (£126.1m)
5. Manchester Central (£125.0m)
6. Liverpool, Riverside (£124.3m)
7. Birmingham, Hodge Hill (£123.2m)
8. Liverpool, West Derby (£121.6m)
9. Birkenhead (£121.5m)
10. Leeds Central (£117.6m)
>scousers are biggest claimers of bennies
STOP THE PRESS
>>73166243
However if we vote to stay, UKIP will 100% become the opposition party
>>73166236
>the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS
the comparison is to prior years, not to 2006. 2006 was shit.
>and the tax hikes to cover their inability to balance a budget?
the only SNP tax 'hike' [read: not passing on a cut] has been income tax, or maybe stamp duty.
they are no worse than Labour ever were.
>>73166023
>They are at least in the real world.
With a literal state spy scheme giused as a "named guardian", they are anything but in the real world.
Not to mention that they are the ones who centralised the police forces under the control of the worst of them, and will refuse to arrest people praising terrorists, but arrest you if you criticise that.
>>73166194
I've never visited London in my life
apart from when I was really young and my parents took me to disneyland paris, I saw buckingham palace and Big Ben but I can't remember anything else really. Also fancy black taxis everywhere.
>>73166236
>What about the state of the roads? Or the huge inefficiencies within public services, the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS, and the tax hikes to cover their inability to balance a budget?
All of which were problems under Labour and earlier the Conservatives going as far back as silly things like the Beeching Cuts and the short-term building of the Forth Bridge. Hell PFI is quite literally a way to cover up an inability to budget and costs more long-term than an increase in taxes. And the NHS figures are 90% bullshit as are claims of increased tax. The DM is not a source.
>>73166254
>Breaking news: Areas of the UK that are poor claim more benefits than areas of the UK that are rich.
>>73166254
So none of them are in Scotland or Wales?
>>73166238
Moving the government isn't going to help, It's more of a protest vote in a vain attempt for the Welsh assembly to actually do something.
It's got more chance of being taken seriously than the Monster Raving Loonies anyway.
>>73166325
>SNP is great because they're not as bad as the other socialists
10/10 spindoctoring Alex, now if you excuse me I'm going to crawl along the street at 5mph trying my best not to ruin my car, so I can spend 5 hours waiting in line to find out that the nigerian nurse isn't in to get me a tetanus shot
>>73166368
Just end their benefits then, it's clearly not helping them.
>>73166393
>SNP is great
projection
i said they're no worse than labour, the only viable option.
fuck off.
>>73166254
>95% white
>biggest welfare scrounges
But... But niggers
>>73166408
>Guys say thanks when master whips you, there's no other options
Why is my country so full of fucking cucks?
>>73166328
>With a literal state spy scheme giused as a "named guardian", they are anything but in the real world.
Compared to the Greens and Labour that's fucking nothing. Hell the cons are hardly a model of hands-off government either.
>Not to mention that they are the ones who centralised the police forces under the control of the worst of them, and will refuse to arrest people praising terrorists, but arrest you if you criticise that.
Which, again, Labour and the Greens do also. And again show me evidence of the Cons fighting for my rights.
Do you expect a UKIP landslide in Scotland?
If not, practically speaking, the SNP minority is the best you can hope for.
>>73166335
So you have been to London.
>>73166335
>I've never visited London in my life
I went there recently. It felt like I was in a dystopian SF movie. Like a city designed to pretend at being a city instead of for people to live in.
>>73163908
Much like the American system it's hard to characterize a party too much because there is enormous variety within each party.
Essentially though:
Labour = Social Democrats
Conservatives = Free market nuts with slightly conservative values
Lib Dems = Liberals
UKIP = A one-policy party that pretends to be libertarian
SNP = A nationalist party that pretends being left-wing means they're the good guys
>>73166405
>Just end their benefits then, it's clearly not helping them.
>Because unemployment is caused by the the dole, not visa veera
>>73166435
again, you're implying i'm pro-SNP
i'm not pro-SNP, i'm against retards who go "THINGS HAVE ONLY GOT WORSE SINCE THE SNP CAME IN!!!11" and forget just how jesus-fucking-christ terrible the prior labour administrations were.
>>73166443
Scots won't vote UKIP because Farrage wants them to have a fair slice of government funding not based on the broken Barnett formula
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
>TEENAGE VOTERS
ABORT
ABORT
ABORT
>>73166443
We don't need to go into the other parties, because it gets talked about enough.
Your party keep on getting away with being just as bad because you constantly spout off "watabouts" whenever your given criticism on policies the others also do.
>>73166490
The dole does not help reduce unemployment, if anything it actively decreases your chances of getting work
>>73164155
>LAB: 24 (-13)
>>73166377
>It's got more chance of being taken seriously than the Monster Raving Loonies anyway.
Fair enough. Still seems like you could vote for a party with a more reasonable goal and name though.
>>73166435
Who do you propose people vote for instead? If it comes down to SNP or Labour I'm going to go with the lesser of two evils. The SNP also have a chance of pushing for an English Parliament if it comes to that.
>>73166533
And Scottish UKIP are grossly incompetent. The reason really doesn't matter though. Practically speaking they aren't an option.
>>73166548
>Your party keep on getting away with being just as bad because you constantly spout off "watabouts" whenever your given criticism on policies the others also do.
Why do you assume they are 'my party'? Granted I voted for them with my constituency vote purely to get rid of Labour but that hardly makes me a paid up member.
>>73166533
desu the meming about "fair funding" only hurts unionism.
Kek Yogscart shirt on a BBC interviewee
>>73166616
Vote for the party you actually like, not flip flopping between the red and yellow communists
>>73166548
>We don't need to go into the other parties, because it gets talked about enough.
And yes we fucking do.
Practically speaking it is Labour or SNP (maybe green) in large parts of Scotland. SNP are flawed but less so than the alternatives. Logically you should vote for them rather than waste your time on some obscure shit that won't win.
>>73166254
>Leeds Central
Fucking scroungers ruining Leeds, thinking they have a right to live in a city centre
did you guys also have the police commissioner thing in your local area?
I voted an independent
>>73164758
It's pathetic. It starts with the premises that the EU is good and stable. Both just smuggled in without explicit mention, probably because of how laughable they are.
It ignores the fact that the EU is failing and it's only a matter of time before it no longer exists.
>>73166490
The cure to poverty is work and savings. Giving people money for nothing just removes their incentive to work.
Scot here, voted conservative and they held in my constituency. So I guess this will balance things out a bit.
Fucking Labour though, more like lolbour.
>>73166616
I don't think UKIP is too invested in Scotland anyway, probably why they don't monitor the party up their as thoroughly.
I wish it was possible to reform aspects of Scotland without all the anti-English crowd screaming "muh oppression"
Scotland is a lost cause to Westminster
>>73166673
>Vote for the party you actually like, not flip flopping between the red and yellow communists
Well firstly UKIP don't even stand where I live so that's out on a constituency level.
Secondly voting for them on the list will achieve nothing. This is the real world anon. Demcracy as shit.
Finally Scottish UKIP are a fucking worthless party anyway. I've no interest in voting for them just because they share a name with people I actually like. That's how Scotlab have lasted so long ffs.
>>73166648
I don't want to pay for Morag to do her 12 year media studies course and Angus' 20th heart attack this week
>>73166734
>Scotland is a lost cause to Westminster
WM is a lost cause anyway. They care about London first and fuck the rest.
It's time everyone stopped with shit like Wales v England and Scotland v England and started with UK v WM/South East.
>>73166142
>English buthurt
>English
How do you know?
>>73166738
So vote for the tories then, stop giving Sturgeon more power, she's already tightening the fist at every chance she gets
im so happy labour has been destroyed by the conservatives in Scotland!
>>73164155
so why did Scotland turn against labour?
>>73166774
then back independence and be done with it.
>UK's new polar research ship will be named RRS Sir David Attenborough
Twitter confirmed for butthurt
>>73166786
The scots are a spoilt child, you can't take a spoilt Childs Xbox 720 away from them without them resenting you.
Nice sunny day in the South West today lads. What's everyone up to?
>>73166034
>Labour Spin
As the government of opposition, they should have been making gains. Anything less then than it pretty bad. The conservatives making slight gains and getting second place in Scotland is clearly headache for labour, considering that this is the last big thing till 2020.
>>73166254
>The city in which you were born will never stop voting Labour because of 'muh bennies'.
Feels bad lads.
>>73165416
Not against independence personally if the vote swings that way. But I dislike the idea of career politicians just looking to get themselves into the history books of "freeing" Scotland from the Longshanks. Especially with Sturgeons SJW stance she's assumed lately.
I'm not having my country become Sweden 2.0 for the sake of their careers.
>>73166774
He is, however, right about it hurting unionism. Unless you're also going to apply the logic to shitholes like Birmingham etc as per >>73166254 you can't single out one part of the union based on what they make and cost (and Scotland, by and large, doesn't cost as much as shit like the DM claims).
If you want to do fair funding you federalise. You don't go a Germany and centralise then complain the underfunded fringes suck ass.
>>73166808
>Tories
>Winning in Glasgow
Regardless Glasgow Labour is so terribly, terribly corrupt that SNP are a massive improvement simply by existing.
List votes are a different matter, perhaps.
>>73166831
corbyn
>>73166903
>Actually living in Glasgow
How dark is your skin, on a scale from Greek to Congolese?
>>73166854
Twitter manchildren getting BTFO. What a pathetic nation we are where we'd rather make snarky lolsorandum jokes than take pride in anything.
>>73166857
>The scots are a spoilt child, you can't take a spoilt Childs Xbox 720 away from them without them resenting you.
>Continuing the factionalism
This only benefits WM anon.
True or not all these problems go away when you remove WM. Funding is raised locally in each country with a set % going to federal shit like the armed forces and, perhaps, fair funding of specific infrastructure projects for the poorer areas like Wales and Birmingham. Nobody need bitch about money then.
And again you appear not to be applying this same logic to places like Birmingham or Liverpool which are significantly higher in terms of benefit sponges.
Or fucking NI. Good god NI.
>>73166870
At work with a fucking beefcake of a hangover.
Send help.
>>73167002
>literally everything now has some shitty variation of [Thing]yMc[Thing]face because of that
Some of the responses are gold: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/728504557303701504?
>I suppose we can't persuade Sir David to change his name by deed poll to Boaty McBoatface? #ProbablyNot
>congratulations,now thousands of school children no longer have an interest in scientific research
>Pathetic to overturn a popular vote like this. What could have celebrated British humour is now the worst kind of stuffiness.
>What's the point of asking people, they should have gone with the popular choice
These people are clearly too retarded to realise just how embarrassing a naval search vessel called Boaty McBoatface would sound.
>>73163908
British Political Parties for Americans.
The Labour Party - a Democratic Socialist party founded by the trade unions in the early 20th century. They moved to the right substantially under Tony Blair's "New Labour" and then recently elected Jeremy Corbyn, a militant socialist, as their leader signalling a move to the left. Who votes for them - an alliance between the urban proletariat and middle-class radicals. Geographically their vote is/was the big industrial cities of the Midlands (Birmingham, Coventry, Nottingham, Wolverhampton), the North (Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle) and Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee).
The Conservative Party aka the Tories - Originally the party of the aristocratic landed gentry, of King and Country, today they're the political wing of the City of London and the banks. Who votes for them - pensioners, the "patriotic" working-class, landlords, petit-bourgeois small business and the City. Pro-business, privatization, but more socially liberal than the American Republicans. Geographically strongest in rural areas and in the "home counties" outside London & the south-east.
The Liberal Democrats - the direct descents of Britains oldest political party, the Whigs, they renamed themselves the Liberals in the late 19th century, and were the political representatives of the bourgeosie against the Tory aristocracy. They were replaced as the main opposition to the Tories by Labour following ww1 and the introduction of universal suffrage. In the 1980's they merged with a group of Labour party splitters called the Social Democrats to produce the Liberal Democrats. Under leader Nick Clegg they participated as the junior partner in a coalition with the Tories under David Cameron from 2010-2015, which proved immensely unpopular and led to their vote share collapsing from 23% to 7.9% and going from 56 MP's to 8 in the 2015 general election. Who votes for them - no-one, any more.
![tumblr_nm7008b0a81qjjck0o1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SLfg2cT.jpg "tumblr nm7008b0a81qjjck0o1 500[1]")
>Be a Lib Dem supporter in 2010
>Sceptical but optimistic about the prospects of the coalition government
>Tax allowance increases
>War in Libya prevented
>'Snooper's Charter' blocked
>Housing market revitalised
>8/10 overall
>Vote for them in 2015
>They get completely smashed because of muh tuition fees and fear of the SNP
>Even based Vince Cable loses his seat
>No suitable leader to replace Clegg, who was easily the most charismatic of Miliband/Cameron/Clegg
>Was the only leader prepared to do a 1v1 debate with Farage
>Clegg gets replaced by a literal who
>Party falls further and further into irrelevance
>Can't even win local elections, the old stronghold of the liberals
we're back?
>>73164731
>mostly
Fucking nothing more like.
You do realize Scotland pays more taxes per head as well, right?
Scotland PAYS for Englands middle-belt comfy lifestyle.
This is why they want full financial autonomy.
*tips fedora*
>>73166902
>Lately.
It's encapsulated the etire party elite for at least 20+ years. Her and Salmond simply ranked it up to 11.
>>73167130
>moot
>>73166947
silly answer
>>73166831
years of complacency (new labour was predicated on scotland, NE, etc all being forced to vote for labour due to the lack of an alternative 'monkey in a red rosette' so labour could focus on middle-england swing seats.)
in 1999 scotland got a parliament that labour thought would be liberal-labour deals forever
in 2007 the snp won the most seats and became the government, labour never got over it but let it happen thinking it was just a blip
in 2011 the snp won a majority of seats and called a referendum on independence
in 2014 labour and conservatives were on the same side underlining "how far they'd fallen" (not helping by how agreeable the two generally were.), most of the poorer labour voters voted 'yes' to independence.
in 2015 labour's WM seats were wiped out because nobody fell for the 'you need to vote for us to stop the tories' meme, and because the working class support pushed the SNP to about 50% of the vote nationwide [FPTP = simple plurality to get the seat = 50% of the vote ensures you get it but you can win it on 25.1 or less if things go perfect.]
in 2015-16 labour became a completely confused mess after that result and as a result underscored how laughably lacking in credibility they were, leading whatever voters that were left to go to the conservative.
so in summary:
bled left wing support to the SNP
bled unionist/blairite support to CON
>>73167143
>Canadian pilgrim living in UK, researching news & religion and teaching soc sci theory & method @IslamUKCentre. Purveyor of soulless wit.
yuck
>>73166167
Named person is never going away. Scotland being used as an nwo testbed. Expect more creepiness as they finish their swedish experiment and move on to you guys
>>73167143
Do people still think of UKIP as racist? I thought that decade-long storm had been weathered and broke ground on the coast of Labour.
LABOUR
B T F O
T
F
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>>73167225
Leftists will never not think they're racist. Even if they became progressive enough that would make Corbyn think they're a bit extreme.
>>73167225
with normal people, you're right but the young leftists live in an echo chamber and haven't heard the news
Kippers on 7!
give me a run down, I just woke up
>>73166485
I live in South London. Once full of cheeky cockney it's now shitter than mos eisley. So much fabric on so much brown peasantry.
Vive Le Catford!
>>73167189
>social science theory
What did he mean by this?
>>73167156
hiro you mean.
also, i knew fraser nelson is a cuck, but this is a new low.
>>73167286
(In Wales)
>>73163351
Ukip can make gains in scotland because its not FPTP.
the issue is coburn is a fucking liability...
>>73167348
WAYULS
>>73167348
>in wales
>>73167311
cultural marxism
>Not a single Plymouth seat had a voter turnout above 38%
>Dole scum on the west side voted all kept Labour
>UKIP gained three seats
>Hung council
Not the result I was expecting to be fair, glad UKIP gained though.
Lots of salt on twitter this morning boys.
>>73166870
Enjoying the sun on the hills of Malvern
>>73167011
>Every-time someone calls out another demographic you call factionalism
>There are absolutely no differences between the English and the Scots
>All of us are equal
>in every way
Fuck off libcuck. The Scots are overwhelmingly left wing voting welfare hogs and the only reason it WORKS in Scotland is the fucking Barnett Formula. It's our countries (England and Wales) that needs to take in all the fucking immigrants, all the shit that needs to fill up the bottom rungs of society for a welfare state to survive. The worst part is even the so-called red-pilled Scots on 4chan still vote SNP or Labour, because it works for them, because they have the better end of the deal and they know it.
Stop crying -isms every time someone points out that another group of people are fucking them over with their left wing SJW bullshit.
>>73167435
I imagine Cybernat twitter are pretty annoyed that the SNP actually lost seats and that those DAMN TRAITOROUS UNIONISTS gained.
This isn't the place to ask but I know that other bongs can help me and not people in other countries
As an 18 year old neet with no gcses, because I didn't turn up to exams, how do I get out of this.
Job? Apprenticeship? The only thing is I don't wanna work in a McDonald's or behind the counter at a Tesco. I know Jobs like security can pay well and you don't really need qualifications for that. How's bartending, I assume it's not good?
What do, lads? I want out of this neet life
>>73167435
they're right tho
neil hamilton is an embarrassment to any political party
and his godawful wife too
>>73166254
>tfw you live in one of those areas
>>73167537
retake the fucking exams you stupid child
do courses at a local college or something
and get a fucking job even if you don't like it. don't be a parasite
>>73167537
Volunteer/Retail/Apprencticeships
With your level of "education" you cannot turn away work
>>73167511
Mostly greens crying because SNP meanies called them out on killing independence for a generation.
>b-but #bothvotessnp cost more pro-indy seats! a-actually we did nothing wrong. r-ruth would've been on the list anyway!
it's pretty funny
>>73167537
apprenticeship, but you will ve asked to take core gcse exams i think. you cannot get on without them.
>>73167537
move to scotland and jump on benefits m8
>>73167537
>Didn't bother turning up for GCSEs
>Unemployed neet
>I DON'T WANT TO WORK AT MCDONALDS OR TESCO THOUGH
Grow up
>>73167537
>become plumber or electrician
>get van
>start business
>live comfortably
Bonus points for leaving a copy of the sun on your dashboard and shouting at women out of your window
>>73167537
>As an 18 year old neet with no gcses, because I didn't turn up to exams, how do I get out of this.
You need to retake your GCSE's and come up with a good excuse for why you fucked them up when you were in school. Pretend a relative died during the GCSE period or something. Then you might have half a chance.
Dave in position to attempt banter.
>>73167446
>>73166870
Walking the dog soon here's an old pic gunna get a few more it's a beautiful day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSEU5zHgcTc
>tfw Anglo
>>73167537
>As an 18 year old neet with no gcses, because I didn't turn up to exams, how do I get out of this.
>The only thing is I don't wanna work in a McDonald's or behind the counter at a Tesco
You are the reason businesses are importing eastern Europeans to fill empty positions.
You have no assets, no experience and no qualifications. Why would anyone hire you?
If you're not autistic, go work in a call centre or sign up for a door to door sales recruitment company.
>>73163089
I doubled the vote for the Conservatives in Kirkcaldy, Scotland.
Don't forget the 3000 Syrian children killed by Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservatives goyim
do yanks still use paper ballots?
>>73167107
>Pathetic to overturn a popular vote like this.
>What's the point of asking people, they should have gone with the popular choice
Twitter retards never seem to realise that if everything was decided by a popular vote we'd have zero immigration, capital punishment would be reinstated and we'd have a Tory/Ukip government.
There's a reason why we have parliamentary democracy rather than mob rule
>>73167435
They're right you tit. Hamilton is corrupt, he was kicked out of the Tories for his 'Cash for Questions' scandal back in the 90s.
>>73167708
>That wants students to have to pay to go to university and wants people to have to pay for prescriptions.
It beyond piss that they now talk about this deluded crap as though thesse proposals are beyond the pale and incomprehensable to think of.
>>73166080
>Scotland pays more taxes than English
>NHS England is fucking collapsing in on itself thanks to Jeremy Cunt. Literally worse than Welsh NHS now.
>lol
>said oil is worthless now
>more on welfare in England than in Scotland.
You probably have a David Cameron sex doll, right?
>>73166236
>the massive increase of waiting times (and related decrease of quality) in the NHS
Piss off.
I've been in the hospital every year since 2004 due to chronic illness, and it has improved MASSIVELY in the last decade and a bit.
NHS Scotland has even improved in general public opinion, as have the others. (even Wales)
All except NHS England, that is, because of the changes Jeremy Hunt introduced that corrupted the NHS from cooperation to competition, then slashed their budgets so they couldn't even properly fucking cover the costs of adapting!
>>73166490
Actually, it does.
A punishing welfare system leads to:
crime
unemployment
long-term illness.
There has been countless cases around the world where the opposite, a decent welfare state, actually lowers those 3 things considerably.
A welfare state is NOT a bad thing.
A welfare state keeps people in work. (as evidenced by the whole of North Europe)
>>73166533
Stop posting. You don't know shit about the UKs financials.
>>73167011
No point in you even replying to him anyway.
He is a generic fucking moron that has no idea how the UK actually works.
He probably gets his news from the TV. (and related news sites)
Finally, posting works again. God damn son.
Time to make breakfast.
>>73167708
Are Scots the most salty people on earth?
>>73167708
the prescription charges thing always hit me as weird. it seems like token bastardism (given if memory is right it's cheaper (or at least the same cost) to give free prescriptions than it is to run the apparatus of means-testing.)
>>73167685
>MFW if Zulu was made now it would be the story of a heroic victory for poor blacks against muh ebil Englishmen and would get 12 Oscars just for it's trailer
>>73167732
Yes but not always.
>>73167708
How dare they reduce the deficit! Literally Hitler!
wales confirmed for the country of the white man
I do love seeing Jeremy Vine and his computerised maps.
shitholes sure do love ukip and the snp
>>73167804
>David Cameron sex doll
Why the fuck would have one of those when he could get a Red Ed one?
What kind of shit taste do you people have?
>>73167829
Adding upfront cost to prescriptions is more likely to lead to a considerable number of people being MORE ill and straight-up dying.
>>73167888
Oh man, so in there with the Ed.
Open me :)
>>73167127
iktf brah.
>>73167887
shitholes love labour.
>>73167537
study, take exams on your own time that will open up some opportunities
volunteer, try to get good a good apprenticeship(not some shitty apprenticeship working as a barista)
you're 18, you've made some absolutely shocking and retarded decisions but you're still young so you're not completely fucked
>You talk of labour being out of touch when your gains were smo small
Wow, the brass from that reporter
I'd have walked away too Dave
>>73167708
There's a higher proportion of working class pupils in English universities than there is in Scottish unis. I forget the exact figures but free tuition fees in Scotland overwhelmingly favours the middle classes
Livingstone is getting fucking roasted on Sky News
>>73167132
No they don't Scotland have all sorts of retarded free shit they wouldn't be able to afford with low oil prices while being independent
>>73168043
Reporters are wilfully forgetting that any Government gains in council elections are good. Labour should have been gaining loads more than they did.
Still waiting for the pcc results
>>73167189
Right? Nothing is worse than a Canadian expat in the UK. Get the fuck out, Jesus.
>>73168141
The tax Scotland pays is higher than the money they get from England.
Stop reading "per head spend" and get your head out your ass.
It is relative.
That shit is like saying GDP is a good measure for quality of life. IT ISN'T.
>>73168167
what county lad?
>>73168146
This. Labour should've been looking to gain 400 council seats yesterday as their 'moderate' estimate with whispers of them going into the low thousands.
>massive upsurge in membership since this time a year ago
>new leader elected on an overwhelming mandate
>opposition to a government that's functionally been in power for six years
>amid ongoing doctor's strikes
>after a series of disastrous budgets
Anyone who claims this isn't an utter disaster for Labour is being intentionally disingenuous.
>>73168010
What would you say is good anon?
People tell me mechanics, my brother tells me security cus he just sits down watching cameras and walking around from 9-5 for £13 an hour at a place he's only working at for a year since he was an apprentice
>>73168141
even with the barnett formula scottish labour imposed tuition fees (although they pretended they weren't and called it the graduate endowment) and prescription charges.
scotland's "retarded free shit" is 99% the result of devolution allowing juggling of priorities instead of being a subsidy in itself. cuts were made elsewhere to fund these things. [in the early days, mostly areas scottish labour pissed away money being laughably incompetent.]
even if you cut spending per head to parity with england, the SNP would probably pass the cuts on to local authorities, roads, etc, instead of the headline policies like free university tuition.
inb4 "you ignored that i said while independent", i did so intentionally because the economics of an independent scotland and deficit spendin are far too boring to discuss at 12:20pm after staying up all night. regurgitating history is far easier.
Have the Rotherham results come in yet? Please don't tell me that we have a Labour cunt again.
>>73168399
West Midlands
>>73167684
Nice wall.
>>73167482
>Has no understanding of actual politics or funding in the UK
Again, DM is not a good source. If you actually tried educating yourself beyond the /pol/ circle-jerk you'd learn something. Scotland = benefit spongers is provably incorrect and relied on dodgy statistics.
WM and the London bubble is the source of 99% of the problems in this country and it's in their interest to keep people fighting with whatever bullshit they can. They also manipulate figures on the wage 'gap', immigration and crime.
If you want the SNP (the symptom) to disappear you need to treat the problem (broken political system). Alternatively you can keep on complaining about the other poor sods while the rich fucks down south abuse their position. Certainly I didn't see any SNP, UKIP, Plaid or even fucking Green politicians in the Panama papers...
>>73167831
>MFW if Zulu was made now it would be the story of a heroic victory for poor blacks against muh ebil Englishmen and would get 12 Oscars just for it's trailer
Zulu is a top tier film too. The only good film of recent years that captures that same feeling was Master and Commander (great fucking film too).
>>73168365
Youre chatting out your arse now jock
Just woke up after my 8am sleep, what'd I miss?
>>73168496
Not yet, Rochdale is a Labour hold though and Rotherham will be following suit.
>>73168555
The fire rises in Wales
>>73168439
This
Labour should be slaughtering the Tories at this point in time - but nope
Nothing
>>73166870
>>73167446
>>73167684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caP7VY5trw8
>>73168141
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
And as a side note means testing a benefit is actually often more costly than just giving it to everyone. The cons speak of cutting unnecessary spending and then waste millions on means testing purely out of ideology.
>>73168550
but a SNP politician bought a house and sold it at a profit, leaving the prior buyer unhappy that they didn't get a better price.
the monsters
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SWING GRAPHS
FUCKING USELESS BBC COMMIES
>>73168609
Noice. I'm checking out the salt at Tories second in graniaud comments
>>73168551
And you have no argument.
Good day to you sir.
I have some fried chikkuns to devour with my bare hands because I'm a big hairy retarded savage. AKA Scottish.
>>73168618
All because of the Corbyn.
Nobody likes him.
Even die-hard Labour supporters hate him.
He has divided Labour so hard, and apparently harder than we realized.
Labours operation is now in control of someone the rest of the camp hate.
Average day at the work really.
How do we deal with the SNP?
>>73168551
[yes, it's pre oil price collapse.]
>>73168769
Introduce poisoned heroin to Glasgow
>>73168723
Are we sure that Corbyn isn't a Tory plant?
>>73168496
>Pakis voting against a paki government
you feeling alright?
>>73168551
He's correct actually. If you split England into regions you'll notice some that are massive fucking drains (and again Wales and NI are terrible in that regard).
If you tried actually fucking researching things for yourself instead of only reading sources you agree with this would be obvious to you.
But keep playing the Scotland v England game while the fuckers in WM do whatever they want.
Remember that they are the reason this country has no industry any more. Remember also that they are the ones who made councils so useless and expensive purely so they can point at them when devolution for England comes up.
I'm sure you'll write this off without reading up on it but it's all true. WM is the root of all problems.
Imagine the memes of a Plaid-Con-UKIP-Lib Dem coalition in wales to remove Labour
>>73168769
Hello Ruth!
It's very simple - Goldie can help you if you remember her number - essentially you wait until they have a problem getting something voted through, and then offer to vote alongside them in exchange for a concession elsewhere. For example, in exchange for backing the first budget you could request the abolition of named person.
Be careful though, take too hard a line and Labour, Lib-Dems or Greens may make a more attractive offer! And if not a budget, the SNP might just withdraw their policy outright!
>>73168825
nah, he's a paki plant
the only people in Britain who like him are Muslims and a couple of far left nutjobs
>>73168769
Go to the Mosque those cucks are praying in and pic related
This is now a salt thread
>>73165459
No Forth rail bridge. Unacceptable
>>73168769
Nuke Glasgow
>>73168866
>>73168816
>>73168723
>>73168652
Nah like I said - an independent Scotland with low oil prices (try reading my comment) wouldn't be able to afford all of it's retarded free shit and would have a massive budget gap, this is hardly a revelation
>>73168939
>enthusiastic
How evil
>>73168657
Evil, evil people.
>>73168769
Give the English a parliament and federalise the UK.
>>73168939
>Homophobic
When will this meme end?
>>73168146
>>73168439
This is total nonsense.
The last time these seats were contest Labour won decisively, on a 39% share of the vote, making 857 gains to make them by far the largest party in local government.
From that benchmark, expecting any party to make gains of 400 is ridiculous - Labour would have to be polling well above 50% in the polls to pull something like that off.
It's looking like Labour will lose around 30 council seats out 2600, and will still finish the election with the largest share of the national vote and with the largest number of councillors nationwide.
Outside of Scotland Labour's vote has held up remarkably well. Polling experts predicted between 100 and 200 losses in total, but outside of Scotland Labour has hung on to it's 2011 gains surprisingly well.
Lrn2psehoplogy
>>73168994
Fuck the central belt
No scottish gainz
>>73169067
Scot UKIP need to remove that slug leading them, he's useless
>>73168994
It's not even the Central Belt, Edinburgh is firmly unionist. It's just Glasgow, Falkirk and some assorted new towns between them + Scumdee.
>>73168984
>Nah like I said - an independent Scotland with low oil prices (try reading my comment) wouldn't be able to afford all of it's retarded free shit and would have a massive budget gap, this is hardly a revelation
Ignoring the fact that the UK already has a massive budget gap (doubly so if you ignore the number-fiddling the Cons are up to) Scotland wouldn't be that badly off all considered.
The idea it's running at a massive deficit (or, indeed, a larger one than the UK would without Scotland) relies on a simplistic interpretation of how funding in the UK works. This is all easily discovered if you'd go beyond the BBC and Daily Mail as sources.
>>73167649
Become like pic related
>>73169016
Cognitive dissonance must be acknowledged before it can be treated
it's easier to stick your fingers in your ears and say
"la-la-la, I can't hear you"
>>73168984
Running a deficit is possible, if not ever ideal immediately after independence.
Surpluses aren't the good thing they're shown to be. A surplus is the government taking more money from taxpayers than it spends on services for those taxpayers.
>>73169023
While you are right that Labour have done well to hold most of the gains from 2011 it doesn't excuse the media from questioning the Tories as if they should have done better. Staying stagnant is still a win for a sitting Government party in local elections.
>>73169164
It literally is running at a higher deficit proportionally than the rest of the UK
This is literally fucking undisputed fact and ive heard many an SNP representative get in a fluster when questioned about it
>>73168994
how the fuck is this decided?
>>73167537
Resit the exams
>>73169269
>It literally is running at a higher deficit proportionally than the rest of the UK
based on debatable figures.
the policies of Scotland within the UK are not the policies of an independent Scotland.
neither is this down to any SNP mismanagement (the parliament had an essentially fixed budget via the block grant.)
now, the deficit is still higher than the UK - but that's not a fucking gift, nor is it paid for by English taxpayers, it's borrowed.
>>73169269
>It literally is running at a higher deficit proportionally than the rest of the UK
On what basis do you make such a claim?
And no the Barnett Formula is not evidence.
>This is literally fucking undisputed fact
If it were literally undisputed we wouldn't be discussing it. What the MSM reports isn't undisputed fact either. I doubt you'd be so quick to quote them on an issue you didn't already agree with.
>ive heard many an SNP representative get in a fluster when questioned about it
That's a mixture of dumb members of the SNP (yes all parties have them) and being sick and tired of the same recycled shit coming from uneducated fuckers.
If you've got actual points other than 'the newspapers told me' feel free.
And again I will point out that, London aside, the rest of the UK (including England) is a much larger drain than Scotland ever has been.
>>73167401
My political waifu
>>73169491
b-b-b-but higher numbers means more money!
This is literally his argument. And the other guys.
They keep parroting the same FUD Cameron did during the indie election.
>people posting the 'Scotland pay more in taxes than they get back' meme statistic
Fucking jej
The only reason this is true - the ONLY reason - is the large number of high paying military, security and technical jobs that got parachuted in via Trident and the ripple growth they created. These jobs are entirely funded by the UK taxpayer - not the Scots - and are overwhelmingly held by English people.
Scotland's private sector - ie. the part of the economy that actually matters - is a fucking shitshow and is only going to get worse as Sturgeon and her new Green buddies start raising taxes on investors and high earners.
>>73169247
>Staying stagnant is still a win for a sitting Government party in local elections.
Perhaps, but there's no evidence at all for any polling disaster for Labour under Corbyn's leadership. In all liklihood Labour will still finish with the highest share of the vote of all the parties, and their performance in key marginals (Southampton, Redditch, Crawley, Cannock Chase being the key ones) has been very good, even making some gains here and there and holding onto all their councils.
Just like at the Oldham byelection, the long-discussed collapse of Labour's working class vote in the North and Midlands has failed to materialise, meaning all the headlines about Labour getting rinsed in England the newspapers had prepared have had to be scrapped in favour of running with the poor results in Scotland instead - which are shit I grant you, but are of less significance electorally than the English marginals.
>>73169199
reported
>>73169650
>and her new Green buddies
hahaha
if anything the SNP will move right on tax under tory influence. The greens are little shits. you'll see.
>>73169650
http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/repository/DevoNanoMax.pdf
>Page 70
>>73169785
inb4
>rejected from being WoS
going off topic: the economic arguments about independence are tedious as fuck. [and the SNP started them for the most part, arguing scotland would be better off.]
It's the kind of matter that needs to be decided on more than a cynical ploy about a few hundred pounds here or there. I say this as someone who isn't pro-independence, albeit anti-EU. these are matters of principle and of national sentiment and should be handled as such.
being idealistic of course, if a 2nd referendum comes it's going to be another statistical pissfest.
>>73168167
They count them on Sunday. I'm waiting too.
>>73170062
.It's the kind of matter that needs to be decided on more than a cynical ploy about a few hundred pounds here or there. I say this as someone who isn't pro-independence, albeit anti-EU. these are matters of principle and of national sentiment and should be handled as such.
I was very annoyed by the way the No campaign conducted itself during the ref because I wanted real debate not bullshit. Both sides being calm and reasonable would have been ideal instead of flinging shit at each other.
>>73170236
the phrase "i'm not a nationalist, i'm an internationalist" alone justifies tonights disaster.
fucking hate when they're like "i care about the poor in plymouth just as much as the poor in perth"
what about the poor in paris, or peking [yes i know], you fucking idiots? either you're not an internationalist, or you want global open borders. if you're advocating open borders, please repeat yourself more clearly so the audience can hear you.
>>73170364
>if you're advocating open borders, please repeat yourself more clearly so the audience can hear you.
But then the voters would know and stop voting for Labour.
I mean they won't let Labour vote for them for some reason. Don't they know what's good for them?
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