Tesla has sold less than 100,000 cars in its operating history while there are 1.2 billion cars in this world. Teslas make up 0.0083% of the world's cars.
Sure thing, in 5 years the world will all drive electric cars made by Tesla and Saudi Arabia is out of business. ABSOFUCKING LUTELY!
If they costed less they'd sell more of them.
>>72976505
Whether that happens or not, german cars are still shit.
>>72976505
Well, we don't need Tesla cars for that. We just need fracking.
>>72976505
Eh, I think it depends on a lot of things. The viability of electricity as a fuel source, cost, refill time, efficiency, etc.
But I can see Tesla putting the Arabs out of business eventually. Of course, Saudi Arabia is so unstable right now that the whole country will likely collapse before Tesla has a chance to do them in anyway.
>>72976505
Fewer.
>>72976805
>>>72976505 (OP)
>Fewer.
Who cares? There is no grammar on Twitter, why should there be any rules on 4chan?
>>72976505
Imagine world with only 100000 cars... BAN GASOLINE CARS RIGHT NOW REMOVE POORFAGS FROM ROADS!
>>72976505
Its rather interesting. The tesla seems like a decent enough vehicle but the only electric station for it is 40miles away and the only one for hours.
>>72976505
1. theres a tesla for 35k
2. no gas costs, oil changes and maintenance
3. government money for buying electric crs
4. everyone smart enough starts copying them
>>72976977
You can charge it at literally every single outlet.
Btw theres no way in hell you're gonna run through the entire charge in one normal work day, just plug in the car overnight and you're good.
Tesla is based on hippie philosophy that's why it failed.
>>72976955
Fuck that.
>>72977337
the tesla is literally the best car that has ever been built. It's the most prestige and classy car you can own, every person I know wants one.
Why the fuck would I drive a vehicle that doesn't make noise?
>>72976930
You are a German, and should know better.
>>72977071
>1. theres a tesla for 35k
No, there is not.
>2. no gas costs, oil changes and maintenance
50.000 km driven over 3 years costs 500x6 Euros (6liters times 1 Euro for a diesel, that is 3.000 Euros for fuel. 50.000 km at 25kWh/100km is 12,500kWh at a cost of about 7c per kWh in Germany (if charged at night for the most part), or 850 Euro. The special electric outlet infrastructure to charge a Tesla costs 2,000 Euros to install at home.
Maintenance for an electric car might be slightly cheaper short term, but the battery exchange after 7-8 years makes an electric car depreciate in value faster.
Oil changes cost nothing.
>3. government money for buying electric crs
Not sustainable and currently just supports the rich.
>4. everyone smart enough starts copying them
Yes, that is why electric cars still make up less than 0.1% of the cars overall, even though the electric car meme has been around for 100+ years and the Tesla hype started 12 years ago.
It is a long time to go for e-cars still, sensai-senpai-san.
>>72977071
>no oil changes, maintenance
Do I even need a reaction image for that
>>72977644
>why the fuck would i use something for transportation that doesn't eat grass and smells like horse shit?
You 100 years ago. Its always the same.
>>72977731
Nope, simple facts.
>>72977544
>It's the most prestige and classy car you can own, every person I know wants one.
With the exception of a BMW, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, McLaren, Zonda, Aston Martin, Range Rover, Jaguar, etc.
Sure thing, m8. Drink that electric cool aid, drink it fast!
as long as there are cheap fossil fuels there will never be a 'revolution' of alternate energy.
you can't break the 2nd law of thermodynamics. to create complex machines you need energy, the more complex it is the more energy you need. fossil fuels are not complex, you just dig them up and you instantly get insanely high quality and super efficient fuel to power whatever it is you need powered. Green energy is inefficient, incredibly expensive, low energy density, it requires a fuck ton of energy to produce green energy (again, where will you get that energy from?)
>>72977804
Fuck off, where's the enjoyment in driving the car? Might as well drive on a fucking e-bike or something.
Or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIaECnz1hsE
Like how pathethic do you have to be?
This is their FIRST attempt at making an affordable car
and it includes lots of shit as standard that would be extra
>>72977544
>>72977071
go back to your job as a filthy advertiser
NO, tesla cars are shit and everyone knows it
NO, just no, your cars still produce gas costs, and there are oil changes in a car WHAT ARE YOU EVEN THINKING
NObody copies shit.
We're pretty fine with oil accelerated cars.
>>72976562
its an obscure kind of jew
>>72977727
1. model 3, google it.
2. most tesla owners charge their car froma simple 230V outlet in their garage. Batteries have 8 year warranty. Battery development runs at the same pace as processing power.
3. germany will subsidize every electric car under 60.000€, americans get a couple thousand for the first 200.000 units produced.
>>72976505
Gotta fund that SpaceX program somehow lmao
>>72978243
Or I could buy a really nice gasoline/diesel car for 30k, that is faster, bigger, more comfortable and will drive for longer, both distance and years.
>>72976505
Tesla is a new, small company that started out with a high end niche product to build a reputation. They have recently announced a 35K car is in their future.
They still have a long ways to go to be a major maker but they are off to a good start.
>>72977870
Ever single car you mentioned can't be afforded by normal people and all lf them make you look trashy as shit.
Tesla is the new Apple. Prestigous and classy. Except you actually get something for your money.
>>72978446
Okay, now spend about 2k a year on inspections, repair. 1,5k on gas. Forget the subsidies. Only be able to fuel up on gas stations...
>>72976505
>the world will all drive electric cars made by Tesla
Fuck that noise, electric cars are jsut another way for globalists to control our movement. Same thing for having computers in cars and having them do shit for us, they're trying to make it so eventually everyone has forgotten how to drive so that we are that much less independent
>and Saudi Arabia is out of business
They already could be but Carter banned us selling oil outside the country and it didn't get lifted until 6 months ago thanks to Paul Ryan.
>>72978243
>Battery development runs at the same pace as processing power.
I agree with the rest but I call bullshit on this. Provide source.
>>72978534
>Tesla is the new Apple
nice. you drive it, the car gets mad and you can't get parts replacement under 10 gazillion of dollaridos.
>>72978534
Fuck off shill, at this point you are just spouting lies. You can literally buy a Porsche or Land Rover for less than what a tesla S costs.
>>72977544
>the tesla is literally the best car that has ever been built.
pic related says otherwise
>>72978243
>Battery development runs at the same pace as processing power.
So... not at all?
>>72977870
>mentioning BMW
>not mentioning Mercedes
turkroach detected
>>72978243
>1. model 3, google it.
Hans, you better google Model 3. It doesn't exist yet. And it won't be 35k in Germany.
>2. most tesla owners charge their car froma simple 230V outlet in their garage.
Never heard of a NEMA-14-50, right?
https://www.teslamotors.com/support/home-charging-installation
I assume you do not believe Tesla Motors when they talk about home charging?
>Batteries have 8 year warranty. Battery development runs at the same pace as processing power.
Sure, m8, sure. https://forums.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/tesla-model-s-85kw-battery-replacement-cost
A new battery for Tesla S costs anywhere between 20,000 to 30,000 dollars. If Moore's law were to apply to batteries, WHY THE FUCK don't batteries cost half that every 18 months?
>3. germany will subsidize every electric car under 60.000€.
Yes, lovely Merkel hands more money to the car industry and the upper middle class and rich people. Thanks Merkel, you are the best! Your immigration policy also rocks!.
> americans get a couple thousand for the first 200.000 units produced.
Same as in Germany. California has paid hundreds of millions of hard earned taxpayer money to subsidize millionaires buying 100k Tesla trophy cars.
>>72977727
Forgot 4.
Tesl showed us with the Roadster that EV cars > gasoline cars in every category except price. Model 3 fixes the price. The ceo of General motors even said "if tesla can do it, why cant we?". Tesla inspired the nissan leaf, chevy bolt, bmw i3 and i8 and many more to come.
Whoever doesnt hop on the train now will end up like nokia when they ingored the "smartphone meme"
>>72978681
Diesel is cheaper than gas in most places. Inspections cost less for diesel vehicles (in Texas at least). And how much will you be spending on electricity to charge it at your house?
>only be able to go 240 miles without requiring a charge
>Only able to fuel at specially designated areas OR you spend money on electricity at your house
>>72978822
>t. Gercuck VW worker who will loose his job when no one wants your "clean" diesel shitmobiles anymore
btw thanks for charging my mom $500 for a wheel bearing for her golf so you can give more welfare to mohammed you faggot
>>72976748
implying none of these use oil in one form or another:
airplanes, boats, construction machinery, power plants, american mobility scooter for fats (they require lots of power)
dumbass
>>72978861
It's gotten the best consumer reports rating in every single category and won pretty much every single car of the year award. The safety and overall storage capacity is unparalleled.
Plus the model S is the fastest 4 door car on the planet.
Don't be ignorant towards facts.
>>72978480
>Tesla is a new, small company that started out...
>Tesla, founded in 2003
well, well, well, have you heard about this new small company that is doing this search engine and is building a reputation for itself? It is called Google! Or this friends building online network... called Facebook?
Tesla is a meme. It has been around for 13 years and still hasn't made a dime of profit.
>>72976505
germany still ASS MAD that america beta them to electric cars.
>>72978534
>Ever single car you mentioned can't be afforded by normal people
Oaaaakey.
BMW, Porsche, Jaguar, Range Rover etc. all have several car models cheaper than Tesla's current models.
Sure thing, those cars can't be afforded, but Teslas can!
>>72978886
>>not mentioning Mercedes
>turkroach detected
I am not a Taxi driver, m8.
>>72976562
WHY DID I RECOGNIZE IT??
GET OUT OF MY HEAD /POL/
>>72979137
1. implying you drive more than 100 miles a day
2. you can charge your tesla at every outlet, which gives you more freedom. electricity is cheap and can even be produced at home with solar panels. Their price was also cut in half in the last 5 years.
The technological progress also goes the same pace as processing power, meaning that in about 5 years you'll be able to drive way above 500 miles on a single charge.
They are cool, however I don't know how well they would work in the snow. The hybrid is still the better alternative at the moment. Also the lack of recharging stations puts the cars in a small area of concentration.
>>72979234
>that america beta
>beta
>America beta
Burger, you are damn right.
>>72976505
True
But it's nice to know that once the gas runs out, we'll still have cars (if slightly more expensive)
>>72979557
>ou can charge your tesla at every outlet
Sure thing! I drive for 200km, then the battery dies because it is summer and I have the air conditioning on. Then my gf and I are pulling my nice little Tesla for 5km to the next gas station, to be laughed at. We wire the Tesla up to the gas station's electric network via the normal charge cable, hooked up through the back door toilet. 14 hours alter, eh voila, we are 75% charged and can go on for 140km! M8, that is freedom on wheels!
>>72979627
The truth is that the only acceptable american cars are edgy muscle cars. Even their pick ups suck
>>72979752
>But it's nice to know that once the gas runs out, we'll still have cars (if slightly more expensive)
There were more electric cars in New York City than gasoline cars in 1902.
There are many options to replace gasoline cars... but you only do it, if gas ACTUALLY runs out.
>>72979311
Yes, the model 3 is 35k (32.000 euro mein freund) and you can even buy used teslas in the same price range. If you subtract maintenace, repairs and add subsidies, your used model s can easily be cheaper than a new bmw 3.
>>72976505
>99%+ of horses sold worldwide cost less than a Model T
Ford has sold less than 100,000 horseless carriages in its operating history while there are 1.2 billion horses in this world. Model T's make up 0.0083% of the world's carriages.
Sure thing, in 5 years the world will all drive "automobiles" made by Ford and horse farmers are out of business. ABSOFUCKING LUTELY!
>>72979627
>>72980215
doesn't change the fact that our electric cars are better
>>72980370
>doesn't change the fact that our electric cars are better
>our electric cars
you dont have any.
>>72976505
Electric cars will simply not replace petrol or hybrid cars any-time soon for two fundamental reasons.
First of all because even 'quick' charging is relatively slow, it relies on easy access to home charging to recharge batteries for every day use. This is simply not available to many at present, particularly in places like the UK or urban areas. A substantial proportion of people rely on on-street parking, or off-road parking without easy access to power. You would effectively need to upgrade vast swathes of public physical infrastructure simply to allow people to routinely recharge their vehicles on the streets outside their homes.
Secondly because the charging is slow, it creates fundamental limits on convenient range. Why should I have to wait 30mins-2hrs every 300-400 km. Battery will need to improve drastically, to well beyond a reasonable daily range before this stops being a major factor of anyone like me, who regularly drives long distances.
That's not to say I don't think electric vehicles might not have a place. Networked self driving public electric pods as alternative to urban rail or mass transit systems are a reasonable proposition in the near future. But short of major government intervention, the market is no-where near the tipping point for electric.
prices will eventually fall down
>>72979821
With the model 3 you can drive 350 on a fukl charge, plus your batteries will recharge if you apply the breaks (translates into electricity which goes straight to the battery). Lets say you want to drive 500 miles, you just drive up to the nearst tesla super charger and charge ip 150 miles to reach you destination. That takes you about 10 minutes, relax and eat something. Reach destination and plug in the car overnight. 0 problem.
Now fast forward 5 years: battery technology and charging technology has improved at a ridiculous paste (simply compare your phones processing speed to that of a 5 year old phone). Every "problem" you are trying to adress will be taken care of over time, and very shortly so.
>>72980440
>>72980190
>>99%+ of horses sold worldwide cost less than a Model T
Just that those 99%+ cars costing less than a Tesla S, are actually cars that run better, longer, without hours long charging between driving and people can fucking afford them.
your horse comparison is like saying "we all need to embrace homosexual marriage, because you know, in 1904 women couldn't vote."
>>72980470
But what will replace the gas powered engine? Hydro?
>>72979858
Lol vs what "pickup trucks"?
Nobody besides the usa or Russia even makes real trucks. All the jap shit is laffo tier suburban mall crawlers. An actual work truck? Usa or nothing. Also plz don't confuse a work truck with some tiny 4 banger piece of shit that can't even haul a sheet of plywood, like I know you are about to do.
-framer
>>72979991
>and you can even buy used teslas in the same price range.
100,000 Euro car only onthe market in Germany for 3 years. Costs 32k Euro "used" now.
Fuck, if that were true, any moron buying a Tesla must be truly shitfaced when doing that.
>>72980586
looks like a piece of shit, is a piece of shit.
no thanks.
>>72980440
> be american
> be really retarded
off w/ your shitty cars ameripoo
>>72980505
>prices will eventually fall down
That is what they have said about e-cars since 1903 when the gasoline car started outperforming the electric car.
>>72980826
>electric
>"""""""""""""""""""""""car"""""""""""""""""""""""""
disgusting
As with any new tech, the early versions are for enthusiasts with disposable income.
The price is falling fast and within a few years they will be cheap enough that most people can afford them.
I hate tesla and elon more than anything. the day cars are all electric or self driving is the day i check out of this shithole
>>72980720
So you say the Tesla Model 3 looks better?
Anybody who doesn't like the Tesla should be lined up and shot.
>>72980562
>charge ip 150 miles to reach you destination. That takes you about 10 minutes, relax and eat something.
Not even Tesla claims you can get 150 miles out of a Tesla S with a 10 min quick charge at a Tesla station.
"Tesla Superchargers provide up to 170 miles of range in as little as 30 minutes."
https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger
Have I mentioned that Tesla warns you, that you will destroy the battery, if you supercharge it too often?
>>72980190
Except the model t was demonstrably better in every way than a horse, while electric cars come with all sorts of caveats vs a gas or diesel car.
Model t
Faster in a straight line
Much less maintenance far cheaper maintenance also
Durable will last longer
Fixable if it does break
Not temperamental
Etc
Horse
Has a horse cock.
Shit everywhere
Etc
>>72976505
Maybe that's why they're bringing out the Model 3 then? You stupid fuck.
>>72979157
>implying Tesla won't start making electric engines for those things too.
Or if not them, some other company. The second an affordable alternative to oil appears, the whole world's gonna pounce on it.
>>72980593
>>72980593
>Just that those 99%+ horses costing less than a Model T, actually run better, longer, without needing to be filled with expensive gasoline between driving and people can fucking afford them.
>>72979991
unfortunately tesla's are processed sub-par. gluing < welding
>>72980470
In the very near future battery capacity will be so high that you wont even think about recharging. It simply something you do overnight because there wont be a way for you to drain the batteries unless you drive 200 km/h for 24 hours straight.
You people need to realize that all these problems will be taken care off by time and are heavily under development.
City infrastructure also wont be a problem, since 80% of cars in a city stand on private property in whatever form, and adding wire to your parking space is a good investment.
>>72980963
There's literally no reason to say that you fucking retarded nigger
Elpn Musk is a 21st century Edison and the Model S is an absolutely god tier car
Literally why would you dislike it? Because it doesn't use gas? The Insane mode makes it drove FASTER than has you ignorant cuck
I literally want to do to your home and kill you
>>72980634
A mixed economy. In the short term I think it will be hybrids. In the longer term I think hydrogen will eventually take over but it will take a while.
I think the introduction of self-driving vehicles and networked traffic operating on swarm principles will actually happen before you see major physical infrastructure changes; which might in themselves fundamentally alter the economics of that change.
>>72978044
>my enjoyment comes at the expense of others who don't want to listen to my car
Fuck off
>>72976645
thanks einstein
>>72981107
>>Just that those 99%+ horses costing less than a Model T, actually run better, longer, without needing to be filled with expensive gasoline between driving and people can fucking afford them.
Yeah, you show me that horse going 200km/h for 8 hours straight with a 2 min pitstop in between. Do it, negro, do it.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3876006-tesla-bubble-bursts
>>72981246
>Elpn Musk is a 21st century Edison and the Model S is an absolutely god tier car
Musk didn't even start Tesla NOR design any of its cars, you fucking moron.
>>72981246
faster isnt everything you fucking faggot. driving is about the feeling. some of the best times i have are just cruising through 2 lane roads in the middle of nowhere. fuck you elon youre literally killing the industry
I mean you would literally have to be a high-functioning retard to not be hypes for Tesla in every conceivable way
Teslas are nice cars but they're basically DMCs. They are high end sports cars that don't have mass appeal. Their biggest problem is the oil glut, which will prevent mass market adoption should it continue.
>>72981046
>Anyone who doesn't fall for the scheme I fell for should be shot
Literally commie tier thinking
>>72981082
1. i was buying into your summer story, batteries charge much faster when its warm.
You also won't "destroy" it. It's the same with every battery. Only charge to 80%, 100% is too hard on the battery. Tesal knows this and always says it speak about its range with these 80%, the dont exaggerate. In everyday testing, your tesla can get about 25 miles more, and if you drive downhill you might end up with a fuller battery.
I can't repeat myself enough, battery development , capacity and charging technology runs at the same pace as processing power
>>72981548
Except he did help with design
>>72981550
The Model S is like the most acclaimed car in history you dumb nigger
>>72981625
>They are high end sports cars that don't have mass appeal
https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/model3
>driving the electric jew
>>72981686
What scheme you fucking idiot.
Is that what you thought about smart phones and the washing machine lol?
>>72981788
>being a nigger in favor of fenite fossil fuels
>>72976505
>we should all drive electric cars to stop burning fossil fuels
>the electricity it uses comes from fairy dust and unicorn droppings
>>72981719
>1. i was buying into your summer story, batteries charge much faster when its warm.
During the summer, the battery gets used up much faster because of using the AC. That was my point. Look it up.
>>72981719
>Only charge to 80%,
Wow. So your range goes down in the summer to what, 100 miles? What if I want to drive 250km/h on the Autobahn, when will the charge be used up? 10min?
>>72981096
>>72981096
Everything you said about a model t being more durable and requiring less maintenance is just plain wrong.
Early automobiles required far more maintenance than a horse. Gas stations used to all be full service because, in addition to giving you gas, they would check your fluids, top off your oil, and perform basic maintenance that today we only do once every year or so on a car. Cars back then needed it done EVERY WEEK.
Cars weren't just immediately better than horses. At first they were used solely by rich hobbyists who the money to buy them and the free time to maintain them in a drive-able condition. In addition to that, they were far more expensive, even relative to today's cars. Also, in the days of early automobiles, gas stations were few and far between (similar to a Tesla charging station).
The point is, as automobiles became more popular, they became less expensive, and every year with every new model they became faster, more reliable, safer, and easier to use. Hrrrmm, kind of like what's happening with electric cars right now.
>>72981743
>Except he did help with design
Considering he only joined the company AFTER they had the initial design, I find that hard to believe.
Not to mention that the Tesla Roadster is an electrified Lotus - has the exact same chassis bought from Lotus.
>>72981743
>most acclaimed car in history
yea by tree hugging faggots who see cars as appliances
>>72981137
The battery capacity you are talking about simply does not exist yet. All the major advances in battery tech right now are about speed of charging and extending their lifetimes. We are not seeing anything like a moore's law extension of lifespans.
The physical infrastructure is a huge problem you are vastly underestimating. My car right now sits on private property. In a communal carpark with no designated spaces. To have an electric car I'd need the 20 odd people in my development to agree to creating a fixed spot for me, then I'd need to shell out the money to connect the space to a grid. Then I'd need to trust someone else wouldn't take the space when parking gets tight or I'd be fucked. And I'm lucky I have somewhere to park, in my last flat I parked on the road.
Or I could buy a petrol car and take 5 minutes to fill up every 300 miles.
>>72981743
>The Model S is like the most acclaimed car in history
7000 billion flies can't be wrong, shit is the most acclaimed food source on Earth!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-03/why-tesla-short-interest-near-all-time-high-each-car-valued-620000-and-more
>>72981476
Could the earliest cars do that? This thing could go 200 km/h for 8 hours straight? Really???
>>72977804
Lmao you Tesla marketing proxy faggots really need to work on developing some new scripts
>>72976505
Oh ..the goy fell for the "resources gone in 10 years meme"....keep dreaming..we have oil for at least another century.
>>72981743
>The Model S is like the most acclaimed car in history
Lol? Every auto journalist hated the S.
It's a piece of shit, it just happens to run on rainbows, definitely not coal.
>>72976805
Was Stannis autistic?
>>72981107
Because hay grooming and horseshoes are free
Are you fucking retarded? The entire reason autos took off is they were far cheaper to maintain and performed better in every way vs a horse. I am literally dumbfounded at the argument you are trying to make that horses performed better than cars.
If that was true, that horses performed better than cars, AND including the fact that cars cost much more than horses did at that time period....how the fuck did they sell millions and millions of cars?
>>72976748
jeez i just want to see those fuckers waste all their money in shit fucking animals
>>72982018
He did. Look at his wiki page
>>72982053
>>72982090
Lol these retards remind me of unaware Nickelback fans. Your taste is shit, enjoy your inferior taste in cars plebs
>>72982134
>Could the earliest cars do that? This thing could go 200 km/h for 8 hours straight? Really???
What does this have to do with whether electric cars are better than gasoline cars as of today?
Fact is, they are not. They are more expensive, more cumbersome to "refuel" and the infrastructure for long-distance driving does not exist.
The reason why gasoline cars overtook electric cars in 1902/1903 in New York City was because they were cheaper, had a longer range and didn't need to be recharged all the time, but could be refueled very fast. Sound familiar?
Tesla is a classic pump and dump scam. Elon is in bed with those slimy senators and congressman. Reaps billions in tax incentives, company stock skyrockets while continuing to lose money, and he'll sell it off.
The biggest fucking scam ever.
>>72982240
Google it. Its either the most acclaimed, or amongst the most acclaimed. Enjoy being a blue pilled low info knuckle dragger
>>72981844
No, people actually wanted to buy those things. We didn't have to extort money under threat of force from civilians and use it to pay people to buy them.
It will not happen OP, not in 5 years anyways.
The majority of western countries do not have the infastructure to run electric cars.
Not enough charging stations and plus if they ever try to put charging nodes in the roads they will get dug up most likely.
>>72982405
Except the infrastructure for long range driving does exist and its constantly being upgraded and added. Go to their website
There's nothing red pilled about disliking the logical evution of cars you dumb nigger
>>72982347
>soulless electric shitboxes with a blank interior with an ipad taped in
>telling anyone they have inferior taste
im literally talking to elon right now arent I? I know you used to pay people to shill on /o/ a couple years ago
>>72982240
>electric cars run on coal
But you do understand that a coal burning power plant that generates thousands of megawatt hours of electricity per day operates far, far more efficiently than a single combustion engine, right?
In terms of cost AND pollution generated, small engines just can't compete with massive power plants in efficiency. Even factoring in that an electric car gets its power from a coal burning power plant, it still generates a FRACTION of the emissions of a combustion engine.
And of course, that's not even factoring in that an electric car could drive farther on the electricity used to refine a gallon of gas than a combustion car could drive on a gallon of gas.
>>72982347
>Lol these retards remind me of unaware Nickelback fans
Pretty rich coming from someone that autofellates to each and every one of elon musk's every bowel movements.
>>72982474
Model 3 will be affordable to anybody with an IQ above 16 with a job
In a few years we will have
>INCREASINGLY NERVOUS OIL SHILL ANNOUNCES THE END OF ELECTRIC CARS FOR THE SIXTH TIME THIS MONTH
threads
>>72976646
shit
or
the shit?
>>72982600
>Except the infrastructure for long range driving does exist and its constantly being upgraded and added. Go to their website
And yet electric cars aren't taking off. Why?
Remember when the smartphones took over the shit-flip-phones? It might have started slow for 1-2 years, but because they were better, after 4-5 years, they pretty much had eliminated non-smartphones.
The electric car is pumped up as the gasoline replacement cars litterally for 115 years. 115 years, m8! And in every single decade since the 1970s, people said "now is the breakthrough".
I believe it, when I see it. Shit doesn't add up today, not with a Tesla S battery costing anywhere between 20,000 and 30,000 dollar after 13 years of development.
>>72981767
a corrolla sells for half that price
most people can't pay more than $20k for a vehicle
>>72982605
There's nothing soulless about a revolutionary car you fucking retard. Stop throwing words around hoping they stick.
>>72982694
Butthurt yuropoor eternally jealous of American creativity detected
>Nokia
Laugh Out Loud
The overwhelming demand for Model 3 confirms that compelling all-electric vehicles have mass-market appeal. In the first week of taking deposits for Model 3, we received more than 325,000 reservations despite no advertising or paid endorsements. This implies about $14 billion in future sales, making the Model 3 introduction the biggest consumer product launch ever. Since then, reservations have continued to grow to surpass even our expectations. With Model 3, our mission of accelerating the transition to sustainable transportation is more achievable than ever.
We are on track to achieve volume Model 3 production and deliveries in late 2017. Of course, in order to meet that timeframe, we will be holding both ourselves and our suppliers accountable to be ready for volume production in advance of that timing. Additionally, given the demand for Model 3, we have decided to advance our 500,000 total unit build plan (combined for Model S, Model X, and Model 3) to 2018, two years earlier than previously planned. Increasing production five fold over the next two years will be challenging and will likely require some additional capital, but this is our goal and we will be working hard to achieve it. We remain on plan to make the first cells at the Gigafactory in Q4 2016, and we are adjusting our plans there to accommodate our
revised build plan.
Our objective with Model 3 is to create the world’s best car with a base price of $35,000, before any incentives, with a range of at least 215 miles on a single charge, and with strong gross margins. We plan to incorporate our best technology into Model 3, yet keep it relatively simple to build at high volume and with high quality.
The growth in Model S orders and the Model X reservation conversion rate support our plan of 80,000 to 90,000 deliveries in 2016.
>Gas faggots in this thread BTFO
>>72982707
>First we have to extort money from people by force to make it work, but the future where it's paradise for everyone is just around the corner!
As I said, commie tier thinking.
>>72982877
Because the Model 3 isn't out yet
Its like you're asking why everyone doesn't own a computer in 1975. Its a process, that's how the economy works
You're as bad as a blue pilled nigger. Quit talking to me.
>>72982707
>Model 3 will be affordable to anybody with an IQ above 16 with a job
A 35k car is out of range in price for 75% of the US population. So WTF, Mr. Trump, in the real world you cannot just shit money, people work minimum wage jobs or are jobless or do temp jobs or have to fucking care for their family. They are happy when their shit Honda Civic Model 2003 they bought used with 170k miles starts in the morning.
>>72981921
You do realize that the hotter it is, the more range you have, right? The following pics are tkane straight from their site. Compare them.
2. You didn't read properly. Tesla gives you real world range stats, not "in the best scenario". You battery last much longer than you expect. Have you ever driven an EV?
>>72982959
Being in favor of an innovative and exciting corporation isn't communist
You're butthurt that you're a spic who can't finance a $30,000 car. U mad fag?
>>72982441
The problem is you aren't a car person. You don't actually know what you're talking about and you don't know what makes a car good.
The Tesla is a remarkable appliance, but not a remarkable car.
Pic 2
>>72982347
> hey guyz im so refined cuz i like teslas
stfu fagot, youre inferior if only for the stupid things you say. americans are so retarded and le ebin fanboyz for any meme shit that their jew kikelords order them to be for
youre no better than what you critizise, just because youre no better than anything really. suck a volkswagen fart fagot
>>72983183
Absolutely nobody who isn't a lobbyist for oil companies say this.
>>72983044
>Because the Model 3 isn't out yet
>Its like you're asking why everyone doesn't own a computer in 1975. Its a process, that's how the economy works
There are electric cars out there which are 30k. So you are saying the Model 3 is "the model" which changes everything? Why should it?
Why would anyone buy a 35k car with all the downsides of an electric car, if he or she can buy a large sedan car or even truck for 30k that runs on gas?
>>72982898
>American creativity
Amusingly enough the most creative cars from around the world are built here because american factories lack the necessary tools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmet_Automotive
>sucking off some dunning-kruger kike that is concerned about the discovery of AI being akin to summoning demons and insiting that 1 million people will live on mars by 2030
top fucking lel
Tesla isn't unique in offering electric cars now.
In the next 2-3 years more or less every manufacturer is going to offer at least one electric model. Tesla has been very public about not intending to take over the world, but more, to 'shame' car companies into providing more and better electric options.
>>72982667
It's not a fraction, it's actually a pretty marginal difference for automobiles.
And good luck running planes and container ships (the actual polluters) on electricity.
Not saying it won't happen, but not soon. And something better will likely take it's place. Hydrogen for instance.
>>72983117
They don't have financing in the Islamic Kingdom of Deutschland?
Household income can easily afford $300 payments a month
>>72983253
I make more in a week than you will in a month, cut your ego
>>72976646
pleb detected.
>>72983170
>ou do realize that the hotter it is, the more range you have, right?
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I too own the P85+ and I just drove it hfrom North Dallas to Austin, which the nav said was going to be 231 miles. I got home with 9 miles left. Had 4 people (2 adults and 2 small children) in the car, with AC on all the way. Cruise control was set to 70 the whole time, unless traffic slowed which it did a couple of times. Fully charged the car showed a range of 274 miles. So effectively, i lost 34 miles out of 274 or 12.4%. I would say that until we get the superchargers in place, the performance aspect of the car is limited to the city.
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https://forums.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/what-range-model-s-85kw-when-driven-70-80-mph
>>72983338
Running engine and everything that comes along with it bring a trillion more downsides than an electric car rofl
Look up the record breaking demand for the Model 3, petrocuck
>>72977192
how fucking high will your electric bill be then? what if you go on a road trip?
Tesla S is better than other electric cars, because it looks like a normal car, rather than space faggot cruiser.
>theres nothing soulless about a car that
>makes zero sound
>is intended to get to a and b
>not intended for performance, but just happens to be fast as a byproduct of the technology
>cant complete more than a couple laps around a track
>catches on fire (inb4 massive damage control on this one)
tesla is shit for people who dont actually care about cars but want to seem like pseudo intellectuals. heres a real car that uses electric technology correctly
>you cant turn the gasoline engine off ever
>>72983495
>Household income can easily afford $300 payments a month
Not in America, Burger.
You might believe the trickle down shit Trump talks about, but Bernie Sanders is closer to the truth, most Americans are dirt poor and have shit in terms of income. They buy used cars and fill them up with dirt cheap gas right now.
You probably are too young to remember when a few years ago gasoline spiked to nearly 4 dollar a gallon and half of Americans got crazy, because they live paycheck to paycheck and 30 bucks more in expenses for gas a week literally kills them.
>ITT: IF ELECTRIC CARS ARE SO GOOD WHY ARE THERE STILL GASOLINE CARS YOU IDIOTS!?
You're essentially no different from the fags who shit-talked cell phones when they started gaining momentum. There had been satellite phones around for years and years and years, but they were stupid and cumbersome so no one used them. Gradually the technology improved and so with it the availability. Then people began to SLOWLY adopt the technology, all while people on the sidelines scoffed and said "Psh, who needs a cellphone when you got a payphone and a home phone?!"
Now even children have cell phones so powerful that payphones and home phones are dying off.
It's inevitable that electric cars will become cheaper and more available as companies like Tesla improve the technology just like Motorola and Nokia improved cellphone technology. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
>>72981921
RETARD ALERT
Batteries are shit in cold weather.
>>72983495
>Model S average prices improved 1.4% sequentially, as price increases and higher option take rates offset a slight mix shift to less expensive Model S variants. Average Q1 Model X prices were about 30% higher than for Model S. The popularity of leasing increased again this quarter, as did the percentage of Tesla direct leases. Tesla directly leased 1,405 cars to customers in Q1, worth $149 million of aggregate transaction value.
these german fucks in this thread are literally retarded.
i swear they must have parents who have lost their entire pensions in volkswagen and daimler
this thread hasn't even touched TSLA energy.
this thread hasn't even mentioned autonomous driving.
these german fags haven't even riven a tesla in their lives xD!
another muslim tricks thread huh
you know that Tesla Model 3 is like 20 000 yuros right?
Tesla is a toy for rich moonbats paid for with mostly other people's money.
>>72983949
Don't bother. Normies will never understand car culture.
>>72981550
>fuck you elon youre literally killing the industry
good
muslims are the industry
killing muslims is a good thing
>>72981788
>supporting muslim families of 20
>>72983710
>Look up the record breaking demand for the Model 3, petrocuck
>Tesla gets a 250,000 "orders" that can be cancelled with fully refundable deposits (it was all a marketing trick, by the way) to be delivered between 2018 and 2020...
>Volkswagen delivers 2.5 million cars in 3 months between January 2016 and March 2016... but gasoline cars are dead!
>>72976505
nice joke, in my country grid can't even sustain normal demad during summer or winter.
Let alone when 10 000 people would charge their cars overnight.
Grid is in such state that every transformer induces 15% losses. because everything was built 50-60 years ago.
A coal powered car filled with flammable toxic batteries is worse for the environment than a fleet of SUVs.
>>72983172
Not a spic, but certainly butthurt. Butthurt that my retarded government is extorting money from us to give to their friends in businesses that can't stay (and never were) competitive. This is the manifestation of communism.
>>72981959
Except you are flat out wrong on every count. The model t was specifically designed by Henry to address every concern people had with previous cars like the typical 1904 steam powered cars. Reliability was what made them sell, doofus. Hell, they were far more reliable and easily repaired than a modern car. Farmers, a mechanically inclined lot (don't forget steam and other machinery was in widespread agriculture use before the model t ever hit the scene) could repair the T in any way needed if it did break.
For fuck sake the first T was nicknamed the "mechanical horse" you fucking moron. Why do you think they sold millions?
>>72983961
FUCKING LOL
White American Household income is the highest in the world you cuck
! If any small countries have a higher household income than we'd just look at white American household income by state.
No wonder why you dislike the Tesla, you're a blue pilled retard
>>72978139
WV butthurt
>>72983882
>Tesla S is better than other electric cars, because it looks like a normal car, rather than space faggot cruiser.
>The Tesla S is better because it looks like a gasoline car.
>If only it could even make the same sound as a gasoline car!
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/04/analyst-tesla-notorious-for-overpromising-and-underdelivering.html
>>72983684
Lol, that post is 3 years old and the car only 1 year since its intro. The batteries have improved drastically. Apart from the technological advancements, Tesla literally installed 500 more superchargers during that time, not talking about all the other charging stations of course, so the last sentence really worked against you.
>>72982134
Wait, now you are talking "the earliest cars" when before you were talking "the model t"? You are now aware those are two different subjects, and the T was hardly the earliest car, right?
Fuck you are stupid. This is amazing.
>>72984116
>normies
you mean not-women? caring about a fucking car is as retarded as caring about your axe or shovel
it's a fucking tool not your pet
this is the type of behaviour vain women have towards fashion accessories such as their pets and children
>>72984179
My argument isn't that gasoline cars are dead, my argument is that the Model S is a a universally acclaimed car, and that the Model 3 will be affordable to the middle class.
Also that it'll succeed financially. All of which are correct
>>72984407
Friend you will never convince a carfag that he is wasting his time and money on a fruitless pursuit. There's something in their blood that inclines them to cars like small children and they will never, ever grow out of it.
Thankfully these people make up an extremely small portion of the population so when autonomous electric cars take over no one will give a shit about their stupid "MUH DRIVING CULTURE" complaints.
>>72983961
First off, a Tesla isn't $300 a month.
A $16,000 Ford Fiesta is $300 a month.
Secondly, most Americans are not dirt poor. Most Americans are middle class. The per capita income of the US is higher than most of Europe.
I don't give a shit if electric cars are better or worse than gas. I bought one because it meets 99% of my driving needs and I don't give money to sand niggers.
>>72984235
More Than Half of Americans Reportedly Have Less Than $1,000 to Their Name
In a recent survey, 56 percent of Americans said they have less than $1,000 in their checking and savings accounts combined, Forbes reports. Nearly a quarter (24.8 percent) have less than $100 to their name. Meanwhile, 38 percent said they would pay less than their full credit card balance this month, and 11 percent said they would make the minimum payment—meaning they would likely be mired in debt for years and pay more in interest than they originally borrowed. It paints a daunting picture of the average American coming out of the spend-heavy holiday season: steeped in credit card debt, living paycheck-to-paycheck, at serious risk of financial ruin if the slightest thing goes wrong.
It's a reminder that, while the larger economy has steadily recovered from the Great Recession, the gains have not yet surfaced at the local level. Another study reports that just 65 of the 3,069 counties in the U.S. have fully recovered from the near-collapse in 2008. But it also speaks to the enduring effect of decades of wage stagnation, when many Americans' pay has not kept up with inflation and they have been left further and further behind.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a41147/half-of-americans-less-than-1000/
>>72983986
A 1980s cell phone was a substantial and meaningful improvement in function and form than an old satellite phone. It still took them 20 years to reach market ubiquity. And importantly it was displacing an existing product. The hole that it filled was filled with anything else, the kids that now had phones did not have satellite phones they were being urged to replaced.
Petrol and diesel cars are an established and ubiquitous product. Electric cars offer no substantive benefits over them. In fact they sacrifice convenience and utility for a purely ethical purpose. The mechanical advantages of an electric motor are simply meaningless to most drivers.
Of course they will become cheaper and more available. But the idea we will all suddenly decide to switch to an inferior product is stupid. The idea that this is in any way imminent is even more foolish.
>>72984627
Monthly payments for the upcoming Model 3
>>72982944
Thank You
>>72984407
>>72984608
Cars are infantile as opposed to what other hobbies?
Cars and racing have been a major technological driving force for almost a century.
>>72984608
it's like those women that have some kind of identity they cling on to but it's always some kind of object they use as a reference point
men into cares an equivalent of women into horses
>>72984407
What did you just fucking say about shovels?
>>72984598
>will be affordable to the middle class.
That is 10% of the US population. 5% in Europe. 15% of Japanese population (which all buy Jap cars).
Sure, that revolution is coming. Just as sure as Bernie Sanders will be president.
>>72984751
>White Americans have a median income income of $57,009 - highest in the OECD
http://tiny-u-r-l.com/lwl2ae8
>White Americans have an adjusted disposable Income of $32,603 - the highest in the OECD
http://tiny-u-r-l.com/luynh86
>White Americans have an average net worth of $110,729
Keep in mind that cost of living is cheaper here too.
You are so fucking mad right now brah
>>72984850
>as opposed to what other hobbies
making anything. Literally anything productive. Even a gay little vegetable garden would be manlier than taking pride in buying a specific chunk of metal
if you're into actual engine aspects of it that's fine, but if you spend way more time debating on the type of car freshener and little design shit like that you're a grade A faggot
Electric cars will be shit until they can be powered by some dank solar panels on top of the car.
They're way too inconvenient to be anything more than a novelty right now.
>>72984407
i bet you cant even afford a car
kek
KEK
>>72981287
>In the longer term I think hydrogen will eventually take over but it will take a while.
>muh hydrogen meme
Hydrogen is either cracked from natural gas (CO2 source) or is energy intensive to make (electricity through water; better build lots of nuclear plants).
It is more dangerous then gasoline.
It evaporates at a much faster rate then gasoline. Evaporated hydrogen, in the amounts that would occur with a national or global auto fleet, would be a serious environmental issue.
Hydrogen burn produces water in the form of steam. Water, NOT CO2, is the primary GHG. It's even the primary GHG in AGW theory. (CO2 is a weak GHG and the amounts we're releasing could never warm the Earth by more then about 1C. AGW theory postulates a significant positive H2O feedback which amplifies CO2 warming. So to "solve" this hydrogen fags want to emit H2O directly into the atmosphere!)
Hydrogen has always been a dead end technology.
>>72984751
That doesn't count collateral you retard.
If you are paying a $300k principle on a house worth $500k you've got more than $1,000 to your name.
People have investments, mostly only in housing and land. And yes owning a house is an investment.
Obviously if the economy collapses your investment collapses with it, but that doesn't mean you don't have any wealth.
>>72985030
Also
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/03/03/report-more-new-cars-leased-than-ever/81286732/
>>72985030
>>White Americans have an adjusted disposable Income of $32,603 - the highest in the OECD
>http://tiny-u-r-l.com/luynh86
They also need to pay for healthcare, housing, food, kids, etc.
At least in Europe all of this is paid for by the government, including housing subsidies. I am not even kidding.
And again, stop drinking the Trump cool aid. 60% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. They cannot afford a new car, or a 35k e-car.
>>72984760
I think the elimination of the gas station alone is a compelling enough argument for most people to switch if the prices of the car were on par with gasoline cars. The ethical concerns only further motivate the buyer. Right there you have 2 substantial improvements.
Why would you stick with a car that you have to manually fuel up at a location other than your house? Why would you stick with a car that consumes fossil-fuels (whether you agree with it being a problem or not, the vast majority of normies believe gas-burning cars are a detriment to the environment)?
Unless there is a substantial difference in price between the two products, why would anyone ever opt for the less convenient product?
>>72985121
look at the flag m8
>>72985121
I changed like five cars in my 22 years. Whenever I crash them or have some kind of major malfunction I just sell it off to some faggot who's gonna spend time and money fixing it, add a bit of money on top and buy a new one.
>>72976955
Yeah world needs way way way more green politics. Fuck the socialist, fuck the capitalists.
>>72985030
>>White Americans have an average net worth of $110,729
You do know the difference between average and median, right?
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Rich Americans. That's our global reputation.
The numbers seem to back it up. Americans' average wealth tops $301,000 per adult, enough to rank us fourth on the latest Credit Suisse Global Wealth report.
But that figure doesn't tell you how the middle class American is doing.
Americans' median wealth is a mere $44,900 per adult -- half have more, half have less. That's only good enough for 19th place, below Japan, Canada, Australia and much of Western Europe.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/11/news/economy/middle-class-wealth/
>>72984850
>cars and racing have been a major technological driving force
And electric cars will continue to be. They will drive energy storage technology and autonomous driving technology.
>>72985208
Cost of living is cheaper in America, kiddo.
Want to see who has more money to spend after living expenses? Look up wealth (items in house etc owned).
White American wealth was published in that post. Google the number for the link
Also:
>>72985194
>>72982783
shit.
let me remind you of how volkwagon falsified testing emmission results.
seriously, you guys are wirse than the jews.
>>72985162
>If you are paying a $300k principle on a house worth $500k you've got more than $1,000 to your name.
If you are younger than 35, you got shit nothing. Median net worth is 6k.
The only people still rich in America are those aged 65+ and that is because of homeownership equity. The new generation, unless they inherit, are dirt poor.
>>72985494
>Cost of living is cheaper in America, kiddo.
I lived in America for 3 years. Not sure what you are talking about. Cities in America are WAY more expensive to live in than in Germany. Berlin is like paradise in terms of costs compared to any larger city in America.
>>72985086
You're thinking of normies.
Actual car/racing culture isn't like that.
It's a STEM and trade based hobby.
Building, creating, and competition. Mechanical & electrical engineering, metal fabrication, computer programming.
It's not faggots buying mustangs and doing burnouts in the walmart parking lot.
>>72977071
>oil changes and maintenance
bruh just because you don't have a combustion engine anymore doesn't mean that there will be no maintnance...
>>72985128
ignorant, unenlightened /pol/tard i see
there are numerous project focused on designing catalysts to derive H2 from water. additionally, there are metal organic frameworks that have proven to be extremely successful in containing H2. Multiple national labs are working on hydrogen power.
i dont even know why reply on /po/ anymore. i come out of curiosity to see what everyone on 4chan is saying in light of recent political news, but you all are just talking out of your ass. you just have no idea.
http://ir.teslamotors.com/eventdetail.cfm?EventID=171952
>you're not waiting for the earnings call
>you're not a tesla model s driver
>you don't have solar on your roof paying for your electricity 100%
>you're not in love with elon
GET OFF /POL/ AND GO SUCK SAUDI COCKS YOU DISGUSTING GERMAN MUDSLIME
fucking idiots i swear to god. you haven't made a single good point about the future. who cares about the present. the present already happened. and it happened again. and again just by reading this. and now you're in the past. wow so d33p.
>>72984340
Well, Musk is rich and treats his company more as a hobby rather than business. Also keep in mind that entering automotive market in XXI century is quite demanding, since you need to reinvent many wheels which are patented by big players.
As for sound:
I like V8s and stuff. You can own one, but I use car only to move my ass from point A to point B. And honestly most of people who buy cars don't give a shit about sound either
>>72982898
its not revolutionary tesla shill. what you think this place is? /biz/? go fuck yourself. tesla cars are known to breakdown alot. moreso than the fucking mini coopers.
toyota and honda make superior reliable hybrid cars.
>>72985368
>the median white household had $111,146
FUCKING LOL
http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2015/03/26/the-racial-wealth-gap-why-a-typical-white-household-has-16-times-the-wealth-of-a-black-one/#381a7c826c5b
>>72985745
Factually inaccurate. Google cost of living comparison. There'll be a tool where you van compare
>>72985631
That wealth gets passed down when they die.
>>72985872
this
sound is a fag tier argument
>>72985902
But it is revolutionary lol. Five seconds of reading the wiki article will tell you this
You're beyond clinically retarded to not see how the Model S was groundbreaking.
>>72985745
>Berlin is like paradise in terms of costs compared to any larger city in America
In Liberal shitholes sure, dixie cheap af though
Learn your shit Ahmed
>>72985900
I fucking hate D&D, pajamalam.
>>72986003
>Google cost of living comparison.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Germany
Yeah, I did... looks like you did not.
>>72985872
Musk works 18 hour days.
Sure sounds like a hobby.
>>72976805
>>72983422
> Hydrogen
Enjoy your water mining. Food should never have to compete with fuel in any way
>>72986299
Nah sadly the Kraut is right.
Berlin is a shit hole, but some of your cities are straight out of District 9.
>>72986143
>That wealth gets passed down when they die.
Sure, and all people are rich when they die, so all kids are rich too... only they are not.
Fact is, more than half of Americans are dirt poor and couldn't buy a Tesla 3 if they had 3 jobs.
That feel when shills are actually spamming against tesla. This could help save the world you goons. Eventually sacrifices will have to be made.
>pol prevents tech developement with maymay magic
>>72976645
Are irregular verbs a thing of the past ?
Nothing brings out the retards quite like car discussions. You have to be intensely stupid to think electric cars are a fad because gasoline cars "sound better".
>>72986438
Musk is mainly involved in SpaceX and made the decision that someone else should run Tesla.
(At the start there where a lot of problems with that decision, and they needed to correct some of their mistakes)
>Buy used nissan leaf for 8k
>Buy 90's american diesel pickup for 8k
Total investment 16k, there's literally nothing you can't do with either of them.
Aren't Tesla's around $100,000?
That's not bad.
>>72985872
It's mainly that you have to accumulate the infrastructure and buyer base to build mass quantities like the major auto manufactures can do. That's why a Model S costed $120k when it was by all standards below average in a rounded performance test. People can't afford a $120k car with no prestige that is bested by every other car in it's price point other than in 0-60 times.
When electric cars have a truly viable market, Tesla will not be able to compete with Honda, Toyota, VAG, BMW, etc.
>>72986673
pick up pussy
>>72976562
Now this is modern art I can appreciate
Anyone who is for fossil fuel based energy is literally a Rockefeller. I don't believe in global warming, I couldn't give a fuck about climate change, my problem is that oil is tangible, it can be stolen, it can be sold as a shipment, not just anyone can create it. It's not analog, and we live in an age where if something were to be developed electronically, it'd go straight from physical to digital, no analog, and this is a serious problem. Why are solar panels expensive? Because the sandnigger rockefellers paid them to rais their price, covering their losses and then hippie fuckheads waste their money on them, so they make even more money. The richer get richer and there is nothing you can change about that if oil is in the equation.
>>72986875
Did all of you fucking monkeys miss the giant kerfuffle a few months ago when Tesla released the Model 3? They're fuckin $35,000
>>72983949
Alright. I know Teslas like to catch fire, but your posts implication is that nothing else ever does, especially Ferraris. Remember a few years back when 458's were catching on fire left and right because they decided to not only glue together, but use cheap glue for components near the engines?
Complaining about the reliability of a car while posting a Ferrari is a bit like cutting off your nuts and then complaining you're sterile.
>>72986470
>water mining
wut
you know that all the water you use to produce h2 becomes distilled water in a fuel cell dont you?
you can actually use shitty water and get drinking water as a bonus to using it as fuel
>>72986929
If you rely on your car for pussy your game is shit anyway.
>>72986400
Huh wtf
That must have just been a recent thing. Cost of living has always been higher on Europe
>>72976930
Hold yourself to a higher standard, don't be a degenerate fuckup.
>>72985030
> rich americans have an avg income of millions!
ebin
gtfo to your third world shithole cuk
>>72987001
The model 3 was announced, not released. It doesn't get released until late 2017 you fucking dumb ass. I was talking about all Currently released Tesla models, not future ones.
>>72984785
On what? A 72 month loan? That's fucking ridiculous to pay for a depreciating item over the course of 6 YEARS. I've bought three cars in my life and never taken a loan over 36 months.
>>72986646
you're fucking retarded and have no idea what you're talking about and just making shit up
Elon divides his time pretty much evenly these days between SpaceX and Tesla. He starts out in LA at the beginning of the week dealing with SpaceX, then heads to Silicon Valley mid-week for Tesla and then back to deal with SpaceX on Thursday evening and Friday. In truth, though, Friday is a mixed day because the Tesla Design Studio is in LA, and Elon meets with the design team each week for a few hours.
The absolute truth is that Elon works seven days a week almost every week and goes wherever he feels most needed. If Tesla has a major issue, for example, it's very common for him to head back North for the weekend and work Saturday and Sunday at Tesla. He also communicates at all hours of the day. Based on my dealings with him, he seems to be offline from about midnight to 4 am but is otherwise answering questions the rest of the time.
A number of people have written to me trying to find out what secret apps he uses to manage his time. I don't have anything very satisfying to report there. I know that he keeps meticulous track of how much time he spends in meetings, flying, etc. and analyzes spreadsheets on this data at the end of each year.
>>72976955
This is why Hitler hates you.
>>72987116
Actually this is my result for France, so maybe Germany is an anomaly
>>72987413
Well that's a pretty retarded distinction unless you somehow believe it won't actually get released.
>>72987646
Did you really just take a picture of your goddamn screen?
And you want us to take your opinions seriously? This is why Europe is winning.
>>72987661
>OP says there are only around 100,000 Tesla's on the road right now
>"Aren't Tesla's currently $100,000? $100,000 x 100,000 is not bad at all"
>"DURRRR THERE'S A NEW TESLA FOR $35,000 YOU MOUTH BREATHER"- Canuck
Learn how to read you fucking leaf.
>>72987499
Every car depreciates for one
For two, it'll depreciate less for an electric
For three, you wouldn't have any reason to sell a new Model 3 within 10 fucking years as it is
>>72986581
Yes almost, they're disappearing from english and other germanic languages.
http://ir.teslamotors.com/eventdetail.cfm?EventID=171952
autism is live, tune in
>>72987898
>For two, it'll depreciate less for an electric
100k Tesla S... now sold used for 30k after 3 years.
100k Audi A8...now sold for 100k after 7 years of use.
>>72988875
this isn't true
just kill yourself xD
