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The founder of Germany’s rightwing populist Pegida movement was found guilty on Tuesday of inciting racial hatred amid intense debate on immigration policies and the social integration of foreigners.
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Mr Bachmann’s trial in Dresden has taken place against a background of rising support for rightwing politics fuelled by the arrival of more than 1m mainly Muslim refugees.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9129fcd6-114b-11e6-bb40-c30e3bfcf63b.html#axzz47gD78svq
Lutz will appeal the sentence in the next days, already announced by his lawyer
>>72933691
>racial hatred
>against a religion
He should win that appeal.
>>72933340
>Guilty of saying mean words.
Last time I was guilty for saying mean words was in elementary school.
>>72934708
It's Germany
>>72933340
I absolutely hate the climate of thought oppression in Germany but in this case, the court was right.
I want people to be able to cite statistics without losing their job, I want newspapers reporting without bias again, but I don't want failed characters to try and hijack that by saying free speech is censored just because they can't insult people or call for people to be hanged.
They're not doing anyone a favour with that shit.
That said, it's crazy a court immediately goes to action over some shit someone wrote on Facebook while they have to let violent criminals go free because the courts are too busy.
>>72936034
>thought oppression in Germany
It is bad all over, even here in the USA.
>>72934942
you are french, dont you people have the same problem right now? here in luxembourg some guy got 9 months of prison without probation because he said some mean words
>>72936194
>9 months of prison without probation because he said some mean words
Ok, maybe things in the USA aren't quite that bad.
Love that First Amendment. You guys need one too.
>>72936509
this country is so fucking cucked
>>72936509
What does Colonel Sanders have to do with this?
>>72936647
Everything.
>>72936194
Never had a problem, it's very rare don't be honest with ya.
Also does your country sell guns to france?
I''ve seen some good armory website of luxembourg
so, are we sure that "sweden is the most cucked" still stands. I think germany deserves to be #1
>>72936034
>making political prisoners out of dissenters
How to piss people off 101
>>72934708
this is not america son, there is no freedom there.
This country is lit a stone throw away from here, yet I have never been there myself, but what I have read... what I have seen.. what I have learned since last fall..
guys prolly gone get a verdict and fucking lyfe in prison, while rapist lit go free.
Fuck this puppet cucked germany.
>>72933340
How is a democracy without free speech a democracy again?
>>72933340
noice VR
>>72936930
its not, we count on you to save us with BREXIT and collapse of this failed union
>>72936930
how is democracy a democracy when the people NEVER have a say in anything at all. Never was ANY population of ANY european country asked if it wanted to accept any rapefugees at all, I mean any from the first fucking disgusting paki set it's foot on these parts
>>72936930
This is the part I've never understood.
How is it that only the US seems to enjoy freedom of speech in any demonstrable sense? All these other countries, all these other "democracies," but only the US is free from the specter of "thoughtcrime."
And since we're the only one, it's only a matter of time until we get on the "right side of history" and abandon the 1st amendment to protect someone's feelings.
>>72933340
WHERE DO GET THOSE SHADES
>>72937387
well, based yuri did say that US is the last place with freedom of speech.
rip based kgb agent, he was too redpilled for this world
>>72937387
we can say what the fuck we want here, with one exception.... you will be fined for offending a police officer(!!!!)..
Obviously if you are openly recruiting, instigating or promote propaganda for terrorist groups you will be locked up.
Dats it really.. I still do not consider this a free country that said.
>>72937387
it appears the US is the final bastion of free speech.
please elect trump and let me come to your country so I can work with honor, make something of my life and produce white children. PLEASE.
>>72937387
EVERYBODY WAS TAKE-ING RIGHTS AWA-AY
>>72936719
Where the hell is that from? Did Trump shit himself?
>>72936930
>How is a democracy without free speech a democracy again?
it is no democracy, parliamentary sovereignty is no popular sovereignty, only latter is democratic. Even though many Americans claim they rather were a republic than a democracy they in fact are both. Just look how horrified the elites are at Trump's success, his populism made him popular, not his elitism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_sovereignty_in_the_United_States
>>72937610
You'd get along with the rare based Italians over here. If you come here and hang out with the Greeks all the time, at Diners and whatnot, it won't be the same.
>>72937632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06d4t1704N8
>>72937387
>right side of history
But we ARE on the right side of history. Literally. We're the last bastion of the Right, and we constantly dominate veryone.
>>72937387
Because this country and its government were created under the ideal that the government can fuck off.
>>72937704
I don't want Greeks. I want to hang out with Americans.
I am sick and tired of Greeks. With few exceptions, they are lazy, deceitful and self entitled fucks that think they deserve everything on a silver platter.
>>72937387
We enjoy judicial free speech. Which is to say we aren't sanctioned for speech by the government. But you can't ignore what the SJW's, academia and the media are doing to silence dissent either.
Free speech is very much under attack here. The only reason I found 4chanis having been banned from everywhere else I used to post, without issue until recently.
>>72933340
>Racial hatred
>For opposing an ideology
Germany really doesn't give a shit about law and order anymore do they? They really can't keep that hateful oppressive Nazi streak out of their system.
>>72937387
Only in US population not only has right to, but actually owns large arsenals of small arms. Don't fall for "guns are irrelevant". I've been in many male-only collectives and the amount of power you have is directly proportional to the amount of things you can say and push(haze) people to do what you want. For the same reason it helps to be buffed and tall even in situations when common sense suggests it's completely useless. Humans are not governed by intellectual thought, but by most primitive instincts.
>>72937827
>>72938031
I've been to college campuses lately.
Tomorrow's leaders are today's safe-spacers. If they can wave their magic wands and mandate that every bathroom be unisex because someone told them a fairy tale about unicorns, then the 1st amendment isn't going to last much longer.
>>72938072
>you can't ignore what the SJW's, academia and the media are doing to silence dissent
Step 1. Ban hate speech
Step 2. Declare everyone that disagrees with you to be "hateful."
For the leftist it's all too easy.
>>72938072
well, if you don't outright say "Heil Hitler", I don't see why would anyone ban you.
>>72937387
We used to have freedom of speech to a degree. Basically, like the U.S., they only cared about pornography.
That changed in the 2000's.
Based Tones tried to rescind some of the more draconian anti-free speech laws, but he couldn't get the support.
>>72933340
Good. Same is in Russia. This how you save the world from degeneracy, fascist scum BTFO.
>>72933340
REEEEE I HATE THIS COUNTRY WHY WASNT I BORN SWISS
>>72938292
then STOP importing shitskins and mexicans.
BUILD THE FUCKING WALL ALREADY.
>>72938292
And we'll have no one to blame but ourselves for letting it happen.
>>72938410
REEEEEEEEEEEE MY WORDS EXACTLY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaMZeeNQQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaMZeeNQQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaMZeeNQQY
>>72938407
stfu and go back to eating shit kacapie
>>72938427
I'd build it myself but our current regime would arrest me.
>>72938452
In the end, as the united states, we always get the government we deserve. Which is supposed to be inspiring, hopefully it can be again soon.
>>72938609
then VOTE TRUMP.
>>72938292
>fairy tale about unicorns
kek this is still sticking to this very day
>be vikingage or haug age as we classified it as back then
>go whaling everywhere like today
>like greenland etc
>catch a few hnarhval(narwhale)
>cut horned teeth off
>go to idiot europeans
>say this is from a magical horse with a horn in it's forehead
>sell one pissy horn for shitloads of gold to rich kings, dukes and other noble europoors
kek.. stupid fucks
>>72937387
The main problem is the UK arrests first and asks questions later. Nobody ever gets charged with stuff like in your picture but simply getting arrested is going to ruin your night (and potentially cost you £80 if you are kept overnight for questioning).
>>72938751
Tell that to Tommy Robinson.
Fuck man. Get it together Eurobros.
>>72933340
>The founder of Germany’s rightwing populist Pegida movement was found guilty on Tuesday of inciting racial hatred amid intense debate on immigration policies and the social integration of foreigners.
That's the problem right there.
I honestly think racism is retarded. However, telling people they cannot be racist/make racist comments is a slippery slope.
In America Trump is riding the wave against this sort of thought. For years any time we would try to argue against illegal immigration the far left would use this tactic.
>"What do you have against Mexicans?"
>"No human being is illegal!"
>"You're racist if you support building a wall!"
It stopped working because it doesn't make sense. Here is the only way you can truly make a racist comment in regards to immigration:
>"I don't like them coming here BECAUSE they are Mexicans."
That's the only way you can really go about it in a racist way and even the most far right people on immigration never say that. They usually cite economic or population related reasons.
>>72936930
Well we're not that much better off. If I post a few mean tweets or say a few mean words, I get to watch my taxes throw me in the back of a van and ship me off behind bars.
Hopefully things will change when we leave the EU.
>>72938946
leftists are insane by default
there is no reasoning with them
they should be killed on sight
>>72938928
The other alternative is ask questions first and shoot those who resist questioning.
Clearly we need to have a rethink on how to deal with criminal accusations, especially those of minor crimes.
>>72933340
Germany should force all racists to wear a symbol in public so people know who they are.
>>72936845
Do not mistake Pegida for a rational movement such as the one happening in the US though. They are political agitators and little more, guilty of as many if not more fallacies than the left in Germany.
>>72939118
pegida isnt really smart ,but more fallacies than refugees welcome retards?
come on
>>72937387
Laws that were supposed to protect people from legitimate harassment and persecution are being interpreted in the most extreme and sinister way possible. It's getting to the point where governments are using them to outright criminalise people that don't agree with them as a form of control and if this continues we will have to think seriously about what our countries are being turned into and why we should be letting it happen. It's been a long time since there's been a revolution or uprising in any western country and it seems unimaginable in modern times but these twats are playing with fire and if right wing politics is made illegal the only way to change is through violence.
>>72938946
>>"I don't like them coming here BECAUSE they are Mexicans."
Except not even that is racist. Remember, "mexican" isn't a race, it's a nationality.
It's yet another lefty mind trick.
The racist thing to say is "I don't like them coming here BECAUSE they're brown and they all smell like farts and corn." But even that should never be disallowed in the United States. The government should never, EVER be allowed to restrict your ability to criticize anything. Be it a nation, culture, race, or belief. Even if your reasons are confused, hateful, or just plain wrong. Because just like Europe, the second the government has the power to punish people that are "wrong" then the definition of what is "wrong" will become "who ever opposes leftists politically."
It's going to be sad to see such an important freedom go, and probably our country along with it.
>>72939118
They shifted the Overton window when every other chickenshit would be nationalist was too scared to do anything but shitpost on /pol/.
>>72936034
>>72938751
>>72939071
>>72939391
You brits deserve better.
Of all the places to arrest and convict someone for mean tweets, I would have never envisioned it would be happening in the UK.
Every kid in America reads George Orwell, it's specifically not supposed to be a prophecy.
>>72939334
I went to some of their rallies and found nothing but populism, "muh feeling" shouting and little researched bullshit. There is a lot to be said when digging through the data presented on the fugee situation or the state of the media in this country, but Pegida and their speakers seem unable to grasp it.
They are a kneejerk movement just like the left. Spouting memes for the sake of spouting memes and never coming up with facts is damaging the movement more than any media could.
>>72939466
I...I think I will cry at the thought of never meeting you.
Stay based man.
>>72939628
>a woman in France was recently given defamation charges for commenting "she's a liar" on a YouTube video of a politician giving a speech
That's they gayest shit I've ever read.
>>72939704
1984 was based on Britain's direction at the time. Naturally nothing has changed so we are directly on course for becoming 1984 just half a century too late.
>>72938946
Got a source on that gif bud?
>>72939759
It may be hard to believe, but almost half the US is guys just like me.
Unfortunately, it's not more than half anymore. And the number has been shrinking for decades.
There's still plenty of great people and great places here, but the writing is on the wall. You should come visit while you can.
>>72939848
I often hear this. Was it not based pretty explicitly on the Soviet Union just re-imagined in the UK? I mean it was originally meant to come out as 1948 no?
>>72939909
Staci Silverstone and Tanya Tate
>>72939118
>They are political agitators and little more, guilty of as many if not more fallacies than the left in Germany.
I sure wonder who came up with the bullshit that you can't fight an extreme with an extreme.
Do think it would be better if organisations like pegida didn't exist? I think that the extreme right is a great nemesis for the extreme left. Let's face it, a large group of people doesn't care for politics but participates anyway. They're easy to influence and tend to fall for the tactics of a more extreme movement. If there is only the hysterical left(femigays, antifa), they will have only that single influence.
Which is why this conviction is so dangerous. The weak-minded can not even imagine there is a counter-argument on their own, no matter how silly a statement is. Let them at least hear both sides.
>>72939628
These people want us to live in one big nursery school where they can run off and tell on you if you say mean things. They think a country is one big family where we all have to love and respect each other. They are so ignorant and fucked in the head they have no understanding of personal responsibility and liberty. Everything has to be overseen by the government. The are tragic beta cucks who can't look after themselves and have to be schooled their entire lives, and they actually want this for themselves and everyone. And the worst part is the governments have actively encouraged this through fear and manipulation.
>>72939727
hmm well u could be right i never went to a rally , i just saw some jokes they did with the galgen and sigmar i tohught it was kinda funny
>>72939925
I am poor :'(. I can't afford to get a drivers license, let alone travel to the US.
One way, maybe. Is Massachusetts waking up like I think it is or is it getting worse?
My other pick would be Texas.
I am never going anywhere near California though.
![boehmermann-gedicht-zdf-neo-erdogan[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UkKxlFY.jpg "boehmermann-gedicht-zdf-neo-erdogan[1].jpg")
can't wait until böhmermann gets off scot free while beinh hailed as a hero
>>72939988
It's the other way round. It was Britain with Soviet Union elements brought in to give a sense of realism that would otherwise be hard to achieve when it was written.
The reason it was so successful was it didn't come off as full fiction even though the Soviet Union parts are also the parts which we have avoided the most.
>>72939999
If you can't use your words to fight, then violence is the only answer. And there's nothing wrong with killing Leftist traitor scum. They're barely human anyways.
Can they Stutz the Lutz? I guess we will have to see.
>>72934708
you realise this germany where you literally ahve no rights at all?
>>72940199
ye but this nigger cries about censoring free speech while in favor of censoring everything that is slightly negative to refugees welcome
>>72940377
I said should, not will, lad.
I realize.
>>72939909
>give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
http://namethatpornstar.com/thread.php?id=48877
>>72940156
>I am never going anywhere near California though.
California is so depressing. It's argubly the most beautiful state in the entire country, but it's been completely taken over by the most corrupt and selfish interests in all of US politics.
And of course it's half-mexican, which I'm sure is just a puuuure coincidence.
>>72939999
There is no significant radical left in Germany anyways. A few fags in Berlin shouting feminism and rallies mobilizing 100 people once a year to combat the patriarchy does not a movement make. We have Alice Schwarzer to thank for that and since our Universities are payed for by the state and not privately, there is still a large culture of excellence going on there, keeping the hugbox out.
We have more of a problem with the moderate left, the one engrained in our so called "conservative" party that is in power right now. They are understated werewolves of the left, never showing their true colors and hiding behind mindgames and games of influence. These are the ones we need to uproot with facts, not with memes.
>>72940658
Well at least it's an accurate portrayal of her future.
>>72937387
>give up the 1st
That's why we have the 2nd.
>>72937610
Tbqh in italy we have freedom of speech, shitting on the current gov is the national sport and politicians hating on niggers is ok.
>>72936034
>teetering on speech
All or nothing.
>>72940658
How can anyone be so delusional?
>>72940746
I suppose it's easy to win at life when you set your goals so low that you could crawl over them.
>I see my life as living as a meth addict in a trailerpark in Missouri
>MY EVERY DREAM HAS COME TRUE, SUCK IT HATERS!
>>72940658
>single independent mother
>married
Hello?
>>72937387
If we wanna know why the 1st amendment is so successful in the U.S just read the next amendment. There's a reason the founding fathers gave citizens the right to defend themselves from government tyranny immediately after the right to speak out against that tyranny. They lived through it, they knew how fundamental both of these things are to a free society.
>>72933340
AHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAHAHAAHAAH
Good. Racists need to learn to stop hating on Muslims for no good reason.
>>72940765
>That's why we have the 2nd.
And that's why they're pushing for gun control first, speech control second. They're not quite suicidal.
All they need is just enough support, one or two sensational events to hit the news, and they might be able to push it over on everyone.
>>72941080
>Racists need to learn to stop hating on Muslims for no good reason
>racists
>against a multi-ethnic religion
>>72933340
Paywall.
>>72938328
Your based Tones sounds awesome. Totally the opposite to our very own degenerate Tones!
Was your Tones really that good?
>>72941496
>>72938328
Now they have mansplaining laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI
>>72936897
It is not that bad.
He will probably get some months probation and a fee if at all.
Goal of dragging people to court is to hurt them financially.
It costs huge amount of money for him in lawyers and costs that will drag normal people into debt and bankruptcy.
>>72941496
>>72938328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnDHOdawFvo
>>72940345
It's a good thing they are shutting down these racists. If they don't shut them down early Germany could end up a fascist hell hole where people get arrested for saying the wrong thing.
>>72940441
But I thought they were all doctors and engineers?
>>72933340
What is the sentence?
>>72933340
What he say?
>>72937060
Germany is a Republic, not a democracy.
Everyone follows the law blindly.
Germany has to treat refugees the same as Germans by law.
Part of the Republic is that government is not able to change the laws.
The laws were mostly made for refugees from communist east and not iq 80 sand people.
In my home town the refugee homes were burned down.
The only thing cucking Germany is our own laws.
They can not change them without upsetting the voter base. No one wants to dismantle the social security system, because so many Germans are dependend on it and even more will depend on it in 10 to 15 years when the baby boomers demand their pensions.
No government will change it, because next election majority of voters is 50+.
>>72936034
>they can't insult people
You are truly a defeated folk.
>>72940463
"then he's gotta get a fishing license, but he doesn't have any money. So he's got to get a job and get into the Social Security system and pay taxes, and now you're gonna audit the poor cocksucker, 'cause he's not really good with math. So he'll pull the IRS van up to your house, and he'll take all your shit. He'll take your black velvet Elvis and your Batman toothbrush, and your penis pump, and that all goes up for auction with the burden of proof on you because you forgot to carry the one, 'cause you were just worried about eating a fucking fish, and you couldn't even cook the fish 'cause you needed a permit for an open flame. Then the Health Department is going to start asking you a lot of questions about where are you going to dump the scales and the guts. 'This is not a sanitary environment', and ladies and gentlemen if you get sick of it all at the end of the day... not even legal to kill yourself in this country." - Doug Stanhope
>>72936034
If you are in favor of someone being incarcerated for insulting people, regardless of any other circumstance, you are a fag. There is nothing else to discuss.
>>72940837
then nothing.
>>72943295
How often was this said, and how often did we prove that we are at our best when supposedly defeated?
>>72940561
>They are understated werewolves of the left, never showing their true colors and hiding behind mindgames and games of influence. These are the ones we need to uproot with facts, not with memes.
>He thinks anything is accomplished politically with facts instead of memes
And here I thought the Germans were a pessimistic people
>>72943969
>supposedly defeated
>supposedly
We are done, get over it.
Any of you lads watch Look Who's Back? Hitler talks to several German citizens throughout it in a sort of guerilla filming section. I'd say two thirds of them express the view that they simply aren't allowed to be right wing or even simply address a problem if an immigrant is involved. Germany has fallen so hard that some of its ordinary citizens would vote for Hitler.
>>72942218
>Bachmann made a post on Facebook in which he called some migrants “brutes” and “scum.” The Dresden court ultimately found Bachmann guilty of inciting hatred toward the migrants and decided to forgo a prison sentence and fine him instead reports Frankfurter Rundschau.
>>72943969
>How often was this said, and how often did we prove that we are at our best when supposedly defeated?
You´re delusional and you lack knowledge of basic modern german history: This country in just around 140 years old and lost two world war in this time plus we have a broken mentality after the second one. It´s done
>>72939079
While I appreciate the delicious irony, if they actually started doing that, people would suddenly realize the racists are the majority.
>>72936034
>that by saying free speech is censored just because they can't insult people or call for people to be hanged.
Go doublethink your way back to réddit.
>>72940345
>literal NANny state
>>72941785
>it's not that bad
>only a few wips for having free thought
t. cucked germany
>>72937827
I've heard lots of Americans and media people claim that our constitution is "too old" and needs to be updated.
We are moving toward thought suppression on the scale of Europe soon, my burger loving comrade.
