I've just realized that democracy is clearly mob rule and hence trash. Is there a better system that preserves liberty?
>>72929229
Constitutional Monarchy (the kind where the king/queen has actual power)
Perfect blend between mob rule and dictatorship.
Perhaps a Republic, with laws and rights imbedded and upheld in a constitution by which the state was founded.
>>72929229
Actual democracy instead of this media/banks controlled nonsense
>>72929229
Socialism.
>>72929229
https://mega.nz/#!U0sThLqR!3BVe-uJuZFn9ijxU0leBWwvOmf4fdu7fuxSGtpfrNH4
>>72929229
Representative republic.
>>72929939
What about the economy? A couple hundred people owning natural resources, the financial system, big banks, money market etc? Then what does exactly the representative republic represent, other than hypocrisy?
>>72929229
Meritocracy :^)
>>72929229
Good thing we're a constitutional republic then.
>>72929229
Understand that all ideologies are perfect in theory, and none will ever hold up in practice.
Once you reach a certain threshold of people, it will all fall to shit. Too many conflicting opinions, too many diverging interests.
The only real answer is to either totally submit yourself to authority (as many do) or to reject society and instead live as solitary or perhaps within a close nit community of like minded people, with the understanding that it will too eventually fall apart.
What is interestin is that the Internet easily provides to perfect surrogate platform for the latter, and I suspect it is the cause of so many people increasingly giving themselves to the state as they already feel satisfied in the community aspect.
>>72930238
Lol. Neither of the candidates gives a shit about the constitution.
>>72929229
systems don't preserve liberty by themselves, people who make up the system do.
>implying a random dictator or any elite group of people gives a fuck about liberty for the plebs.
>>72929229
Christianity.
>>72930249
>The only real answer is to either totally submit yourself to authority (as many do) or to reject society
That's ridiculous. Society is not atomic. You can reject some elements while subjecting yourself to others.
>>72929229
>democracy is clearly mob rule
No, the left just turned it into mob rule. The original concept of democracy did not mean rule by majority, it meant rule by "the people". "The people" in this context is not everyone, it's a specific group who share the heritage of the founders of the society. A group who are recognizable as "a people".
Democracy in it's original context is related to the ideal of the nation-state. The idea that a cohesive cultural group should govern themselves as a distinct political entity.
yeah monarchy and aristocracy are way better for rights of individuals hurrr
everyone knows how great serfdom was
>>72930249
fuck I miss my black lab.
>>72929229
Constitutional monarchy.
>>72933024
>yeah monarchy and aristocracy are way better for rights of individuals hurrr
>There has been recently published a volume of Herzl's "Diaries," a translation of some passages which appeared in the JEWISH CHRONICLE of July 14, 1922. Herzl gives an account of his first visit to England in 1895, and his conversation with Colonel Goldsmid, a Jew brought up as a Christian, an officer in the English Army, and at heart a Jew Nationalist all the time. Goldsmid suggested to Herzl that the best way of expropriating the English aristocracy, and so destroying their power to protect the people of England against Jew domination, was to put excessive taxes on the land. Herzl thought this an excellent idea, and it is now to be found definitely embodied in Protocol VI!
>Goldsmid suggested to Herzl that the best way of expropriating the English aristocracy, and so destroying their power to protect the people of England against Jew domination, was to put excessive taxes on the land.
>expropriating the English aristocracy, and so destroying their power to protect the people of England against Jew domination
>aristocracy protect the people of England against Jew
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm
EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD PLEASE JUST STOP AND GO READ THIS
ANYONE BELOW THIS POST IS SHITPOSTING.
>>72929229
Representative Republic. Like OP's country.
>>72933468
Imma downloadin
>>72929229
Absolute Monarchy.
See Frederick the Great.
>>72933024
Yeah, because if we get a ruling King, that means that we need to trash industrial society and go back to agrarianism.
Americans truly are pleb-tier.
>>72933024
Yeah because that's exactly what I said.
>>72929619
There have only been two truly successful republics in all of human history and one of them is on course of causing the destruction of Western civilization.
>>72929229
Absolute Monarchy. Must be muh enlightened philosopher Kings though. Something akin to the despotism of Napoleon or a proper philosopher King like Fredrick the Great.
>>72934503
Frederick*
>>72929679
>actual democracy
>preserving freedom
Tell that to Socrates, fagtron
>>72929619
Someone understands
>>72934745
This.
Constitutional republic in a white ethnostate. It's the only way.
>>72932954
>The original concept of democracy did not mean rule by majority, it meant rule by "the people". "The people" in this context is not everyone, it's a specific group who share the heritage of the founders of the society. A group who are recognizable as "a people".
this, folks, is the biggest pile of horseshit you will read today.
Constituinal Republics or Constituitonal Monarchs
Direct democracy
>>72937246
but that is mob rule.
face it. we either have mob rule, rule by a group of elites, or a dictatorship. of a combination.
utopias do not exist.
>>72929729
Really, will you mouth breathers ever learn?
>>72937482
Of course they do. All 4 of those things are someones idea of utopia.
>>72933468
Plato's republic doesn't work.
He tried it and it was a complete and utter failure.
Elective monarchy is the best.
>>72929229
Techno-meritocracy.
Tbqh, I'd like it with theocracy.
>>72929229
Fascism, national socialism
>>72929229
Read/watch Hoppe.
>>72937734
nat socs hated fascists
I had this weird idea for a backwards-as-fuck system where we flip the shit upside down.
The problem with politics is that the ones who are most capable and intelligent are usually smart enough not to want to sit in the supreme dictator's chair.
What if we forced them to do it against their will?
>>72937734
But he wants something that "preserves liberty", so I took it as meaning nothing authoritarian.
>>72929229
>he believes in the freedom and liberty meme
A totalitarian nationalistic dictatorship is the only redpilled form of goverment for a self respecting white man
>>72930118
You are the dumb commie that thought that Poland's GDP dropped by 900% in a year and got absolutly BTFO, right?
>>72929229
National socialism
Limited Democracy
What exactly is wrong with the world right now?
Keep in mind, 99% if you here are too young to be affected by nearly ever government decision.
>>72933104
Was he a good boy?
>>72937839
It preserves enough liberty
>>72937850
>totalitarian
kill yourself, a government should only have three prerogatives:
defense of borders
security of its subjects
justice
the rest should be left to local authorities determined by the traditions and customs of the population
>>72930791
>lol if I laugh it makes whatever I say true lol
>>72934503
Kings were actually pretty educated on average. The only kings that werent were actual retards
>>72937916
>What exactly is wrong with the world right now?
Freedom.
Everyone wants it for themselves, but nobody wants anyone else to have it.
>>72937246
Meme system. You will grow out of it.
>>72938056
Can you expand on that?
Because that's not even close to true.
>>72937916
Maybe our "democratic leaders" acting against the interests of the people and working in favor of bankers and globalists?
I doubt anyone voted for Merkel hoping to get raped by mass-imported Arabs.
>>72938020
individualism and "freedom" is the cancer killing the west.
A nation should be seen as a body.
the infrastructure is the organs, the population is the muscles, cells and the leader is the head
What if only taxpayers could vote?
>>72937807
That's how democracy worked in Athens
They elected politicians by chance
Look it up
>>72938231
kill yourself you communist shit
literally just put in some voting requirements
any or all of:
- pay for your vote (let's say $150-250) to discourage poors from voting for free shit
- some level of education required for voting
- passing of an intelligence test
- require land owning?
- having a penis
>>72938131
For the most part it is.
See, the problem begins with how readily people accept the notion that freedom can be taken away.
>>72938231
A nation isn't supposed to be a little self preserving terrarium or aquarium.
Noble republic where the titles are blood bound and the children of noble-common pairings are considered common.
Family clans is ultimately the greatest method of rule but it's too difficult to merge it into a modern territorial method of rule. A Noble Republic where there are no 'choose your own dictator' elections is naturally the next best thing.
>Live in country.
>Country split into noble families.
>There are commoners within these noble family territories.
>Each noble family has a ruler decided on by the family using either democratic or hereditary rule.
>Each Noble Family has their own army to protect their rights.
>The only country level rule is a council that is used for discussing things relating to national security.
>Commoners work in the noble territory they want to work in but only if the noble family allows them to stay (Much like a gated community).
The best part is if a noble family goes full multicultural then the other families get to consider them as no longer noble and can wipe out their family without qualm.
>>72938307
>communism
but thats also implies egalitarianism, equality and internationalism.
all of wich are cancer.
People must realize their place in the natural hierarchy. only then can we let our nations reach it fullest potential.
>>72938538
Not in effect, dipshit.
>>72938234
Almost everybody could vote. It would be an improvement tho. Landowners limitation is better,but still most people would vote. The perfect system was created when Rome felt. A feudalist monarchy is provably the most efficient system there is. It survived the fall of Rome,and the invasion of the barbaric hordes and shaped Europe to be the dominant region in the world. If not for it Europe would have fallen like all those forgotten great civilizations like in Sumeria or Babylonia.
>>72938538
>only then can we let our nations reach it fullest potential
Which is?
>>72938463
And why is this the best?
>>72929229
A system based on elections works fine, but we need another subsystem to monitor the quality of the voters.
We can't just simply give the right to any citizen past a certain age, the power to decide the future of your country should not be handled that easily.
The first requirement should be to be part of a political group for at least 2 years, then you'd need to actually prove you've been an active part in said group by partecipating to at least half the meetings/discussions/whatever held by said group, no more fucking housewives using the sunday mornings as "inspiration" or retarded kids voting who daddy told them do.
The second requiremnt should be a psychological test, something to tell if you're just voting due to peer pressure or actually making your own choice.
The third and final requirement should be a written test on the political history of your country and a more general knowledge of the rest of the world's.
This alone would immensly improve the quality of our ruling class.
>>72938581
100% muslim population like Sharia recommends
>>72938538
> nations
> XXIst century
Pick only one, faggit. Nation-sates are a thing of the XIXth and XXth centuries. Pic unrelated
war
A benevolent communist dictatorship is the only system which will work for all.
>>72938441
why not?
>>72938581
homogenity, self sufficency, racial purity, honor, a sense of purpose
>>72929229
Fascism. It preserves tha nation and the freedoms that matter to the people.
Muricans have been brainwashed with muh freedumbs muh constitution since they are born and cannot realise what real freedom is.
>>72938782
>being a globalist
into the owen you go gypsie
>>72937969
considering usa is going into sjw flavored fascism, no it doesn't.
>>72938971
Fascism is pretty similar to what we have today,except that is more war oriented,and cares more about national identity. A monarchy/aristocracy is superior to fascism in every way possible
>>72929229
Napoleon
>>72938832
>benevolent
how
Whoever starts these threads, I would say thanks for giving me 4 pages of complete nonsense to laugh at, but after a couple dozen replies this shit just stops being funny at all.
You have to be one sadistic fuck to subject yourself to the ramblings of these fucking people.
>>72939315
By making political decisions that generate the best possible outcomes for all people.
>>72939257
>Fascism is pretty similar to what we have today
What a bunch of crap. Fascism is not a buzzword to describe everything you don't like. You sound like a leftcuck
>>72934503
>Anarchy is far left
Is that true?
I thought left stood for bigger government.
>>72929454
Fpbp
True communism (which has not yet been tried)
True communism requires a generation raised by a generation that were born into communism and it is achieved in multiple waves.
>wave 1
This is the eradication stage. Eugenics must be applied to reduce the population down to a small amount of people (all communist supporters). Together as a nation, we will destroy our history, destroy ancient religion, and destroy all communications to the outside world. All books, all statues, all ancient relics must be reduced to rubble.
>wave 2
This is about focusing on the next generation of children, they must be raised to believe that the head of state is the great and powerful savior that brought us life. They will receive 6 hours mandatory goverment education 6 days a week followed by government approved resting time.
>wave 3
This is when communism is complete. The population will begin to grow under government controlled supervision and the nation building can begin. All children will have no clue of their history or the outside world. Of course, everything will be monitored with surveillance and spies to make sure the population are not talking about improper things.
>wave 4
True communist utopia
A few other things. The head of state must not be portrayed as human. It could be a man with a goats head or even just an aura of energy, but it must be different from the citizens.
The land MUST be an island that is not within swimming distance of other lands. The borders still must be heavily regulated.
It is literally impossible to deny that this is true utopia.
>>72939431
no bigger government than a mob
>>72939446
So much cringe
>>72939446
wew
>>72939446
>Destroying your heritage
>Utopia
>>72939478
Elaborate
>>72939388
i mean how do we ensure that wonderful things happen,
>>72929229
A nation with 10 Governors and they elect a person to be dictator for the next 10 years. There is no consecutive terms allowed, and the dictator must have been a current or former Governor. Governors are high ranking party officials.
I think this is similar to Mussolini's Fascism, and that worked decently. It's not really "liberty", but it's much better than the shit we have now.
>>72939446
>>72930238
We stopped being a constitutional republic when we let non land owners vote.
>>72929229
Anarcho-Capitalism
The freedoms and sensible economic benefits of the right without the state enforced bullshit like taxation, conscription and surveillance
>>72939624
t. Wagecuck
>>72939577
The premise of my reply is that the dictator is benevolent. If the dictator is not benevolent, then it's no longer what I'm advocating for.
A benevolent dictator would summon experts in all fields to make calculated decisions on issues facing the country. He would enlist an army of Ivy League economists to come to a consensus about how best to address economic woes, for example. The same would apply to other fields.
Oligarchic meritocracy. Only contributing citizens have any power. Excludes foreigners, benefit scroungers etc.
>>72939551
Anarchism as proven by the Commune of Paris or the Bavarian uprising is pretty much just a massive mob bullying and killing people who oppose their view of freedom.
>>72939551
>>72939478
>>72939431
>>72939716
Anarchism advocates a particular form of socialism, based on the concept of positive liberty or self-management, where people control decisions to the extent they are affected by them. This means anarchism is opposed to institutions based on top-down power hierarchies such as the governmental apparatus or the corporations. Thus anarchism is anti-capitalist as well as being anti-state. Like socialism anarchism has its origin in working class radicalism.
>>72939706
>The premise of my reply is that the dictator is benevolent. If the dictator is not benevolent, then it's no longer what I'm advocating for.
jesus fucking christ.
bye.
>>72929229
Magocracy.
>>72939775
What?
>>72939750
except they burn you alive if you refuse to be "self managed" by them.
>>72939750
but anarchism is not anti-free trade though, right?
>>72939390
Just open a text and see what they did and what we are doing right now. Economically we are doing the same.
>>72939856
i don't think he wants to talk to somebody who lives in lala land
>>72939780
Wizards only you warrior faggots.
Go Technocratic if you must
>>72929229
>is there a better system
A hypothetical, benevolent dictator who makes the right policy decisions all of the time.
>that preserves liberty
No because then it would be a dictatorship.
It's kind of a paradox. Mob rule is flawed but fair, a dictator would work but not allow anyone to have a say.
People are too stupid in general to vote for their own interests, and yet stripping them of that right is unethical. What do? There's nothing we can do. It's like the universe was set up with this kind of duality, a constant tug-of-war between imperfect solutions.
>>72939887
The political spectrum isn't as specific as you think it is and it's mostly bullshit used to reinforce the idea that Americans can only pick 1 out of the 2 sides.
>>72939895
You can either be an idealist or a pessimist.
I've made my choice.
>>72929229
Fascism. People vote based on occupation.
>>72938538
>natural hierarchy
is only there for mindless beasts of the field that can't rise above their instincts and think.
beings with reason, intellect and a soul will always be against becoming a mindless cog, with their talents and personalities suppressed in favor of becoming a slave to the system.
if we were meant to be a hive mind of slaves, we wouldn't ever become self aware or able to think critically.
>>72939750
You described left-anarchism, there is also right anarchism, or, Anarcho-Capitalism
>>72939446
If you're not trolling you're the dumbest person I've encountered on /pol/. I'm cringing so hard. You've never had a job have you?
Communism
>>72939975
>It's like the universe was set up with this kind of duality, a constant tug-of-war between imperfect solutions.
This intersection exists *everywhere*.
It's literally the reason I'm convinced that our only purpose in existence is entropy.
>>72940151
>we wouldn't become self aware or able to think critically.
I think you just described about 80% of the world's population.
>>72929229
Democratic Republic
Meritocracy, where only the competent have the right to rule.
Smart people are inherently less corrupt and selfish, they would make infinitely better leaders than the current corrupt career politicians that deserve nothing less than an execution.
>>72929229
None.
The other option is rule by singular authority or oligarchy. You should hope whoever is in charge is just, but history tells a different tale.
>>72940181
Don't take that obvious bait
>>72933468
>Plato jacks himself off with imaginary friends
Top literature mate.
>>72929229
we have it already. its called being a republic.
democracy doesnt work. its why we dont have a purely democratic sustem, and its why purely democratic nations are all currently falling apart.
>>72940151
Natural born hierarchy dosen't necesary means that you will have the same occupation as your parents. Some people that have better qualities moves up in the natural hierarchy.
>>72940305
Shit, I mean technocracy.
>>72940312
You just have to be better at choosing your leader, several of the enlightened absolutists were great
Democracy, except you have to be intelligent or have a certain degree in education in order to become a politician/vote/etc
>>72939975
Monarchy is the only solution to this problem. You have a central figure at the federal level in charge of national defense, security and the justice system, where as most other policy is dictated at the municipal level.
It's the freest system of government. Any corruption or abuse at the top can be counteracted by the fact that military might is decentralized and made up of regional guard units. A monarch can't enslave the people without rallying municipal governments together for a single cause.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that European Monarchy ha been a very free system. Taxes were at most like 5 percent I think.
>>72940181
I was just joking.
Democracy = everyone equal vote = equality false God
Duh.
Somehow its working now that Trump is doin his thing.
1488
>>72940379
Your politicians go after votes more than anything, you live in a democracy today.
>>72940275
Entropy isn't purpose, it's just the natural result of existence.
Political systems and ideologies can be see as "anti-entropy", even anarchistic ones. It is all just rearranging humans into a different order. People have strong opinions on what that order should be.
When humans enter any hypothetical ordered system they break it down without fail. Humans are the reason political ideologies will never work. Humans increase entropy in the political ordered system.
>>72940151
Hierarchy is natural but it needs to be structured so no one exploits it. We need class unity and nuetrality. Capitalists assume that by letting classes run free, no one will abuse thier power. Its nonsense.
>>72939446
Top kek faggot socialism and communism has never worked for Whites that want to be Free. Individualism and self determination is the key to successful civilization.
Like a wolf, humans (whites) can survive on their own but THRIVE in a competitive pack. Notice I said competitive. If no competition exists, no punishment for failure and rewards for success, nobody will give a fuck.
>Better system
Yes.
>better system that preserves liberty
lol no, as shitty of a check on power as democracy is it's a better check on power than giving a political party or despot a blank check to do whatever the fuck they want. You have to give up a degree of liberty if you want a truly effective government.
>>72929229
Yes.
>pic related
R E P U B L I C
Or everyone could elect me prime ruler.
My guards would wear Robotic suits, internet would be free and leftists would be sent to their own little country in the desert.
If they attempted to leave the borders robots would arrest them and hire them out as labour to North Korea.
>>72940627
I'm not referring to entropy in the sense of "order/disorder", but at the most base level, that the process of warm objects transferring energy (heat) to cooler objects, as a physical property of the universe which will continue until all heat is uniformly distributed throughout, is not only the reason life exists in the first place but an inescapable fate where we aid the process, however marginally, by accelerating it.
That's what I mean by "purpose".
>>72939975
>It's like the universe was set up with this kind of duality, a constant tug-of-war between imperfect solutions.
and gnosticism happens to say just that.
the devil, yhwh/el is responsible for creating this hell to destroy our spiritual freedom, make us submit to him when he finally enters the stage with a perfect solution to all our problems, that he created beforehand.
>>72939975
Finally someone gets it.
Out of all of the bullshit democratic republics leave us with, ant authoritarian alternative has the potential to be a lot better or a lot worse.
And to all you people jerking off to Monarchism,
Humanity DID use that system, for centuries. And it worked until some dumb/delusional/incompetent asshole ascended the throne. see: Rome, The Ottoman Empire, Imperial Russia, France, the list goes on and on.
>>72940305
>implying the illuminati are just a bunch of dumb rednecks, not intelligent at all.
>implying it doesn't require extraordinary amount of intelligence to create a self perpetuating system of debt slavery that is unfolding before our eyes.
smart people are usually the ones responsible for the worst types of corruption.
there's really no special type of person that's immune to corruption. whether smart or dumb, religious or atheist, man or woman, every group has the same problem.
greed. power hunger. vain pride.
>>72929229
>absolute monarchy by a philosopher king
>handover of power to non-familial initiate, selected by academy of initiated philosophers
>responsibility over defense of the realm, justice and perpetuation of civilisation through initiation
>miniscule state
>very little tax, enough to pay for academy of philosophers
>initiation involves experience of the inner life and self knowledge
>this experience guarantees the continued promulgation of humanity's most valuable ideals: liberty, agape, gnosis
anyone who says anything other than a constitutional republic is an idiot
lmaoing at all the britcancer talking about a monarchy. go back to being irrelevant and conquering third worlders wielding sticks and call it an empire
>>72929229
democracy of those who have proven they can properly exercise the power.. ex Starship Troopers
>>72939446
>the 'never been tried' meme again
Threw up a little desu
I wish the Khmer Rouge was still knocking around so we could send you on a holiday to Cambodia.
>>72938782
Wow, an actual gypsy posting. That's new.
>>72929619
Republic is pretty much the best, no doubt in that.
>>72929229
CALIPHATE
