Whkch country has the best SF? Is it the Swedes?
America
/thread
>>72618023
>Whkch country has the best SF?
We'll never know, but probably America
>Is it the Swedes?
Not at all
i dont know what any of those abbreviations mean
>>72618023
Actually, Canada wins this one
Medal of Honor: Warfighter's multiplayer was so fun.
I felt like a legit operator when I got to choose which SF I fought for.
Shame it died pretty quickly.
>>72618023
where is the French GIGN ?
>>72618452
>>72618023
>Russia and Poland uneasily eyeballing each other
Never gets old
>>72618475
GIGN is a counter terrorist and elite law enforcement unit, not military special forces.
>>72618475
The GIGN arent our SFs
And the MOH franchise doesnt sell well in France so hey included irrelevant Scandi countries instead
>>72618475
Busy leaving their dead behind
>>72618452
lol
The answer is whatever group sees the most action and therefore has the most experience. So the US, no question.
I think everyone knows it's the SAS
I mean come on
it's the mother of all special forces
>>72618023
russia
>>72618642
No because this: >>72618620
This isnt blind patriotism it's just experience trumps all. Obviously SAS are very good but they don't see as much action I imagine.
>>72618023
Canada
>>72618616
That's not the GIGN, and dont act as if Americans never do it
I'm not Turkish but I can post these pics (you know which ones) too
>>72618620
You cant win them all, not without Trump
>>72618023
>>72618642
Do we even have to say it?
>Like evryone im going to say that my country has the best spec ops.
GROM IS THE BEST
>>72618023
>is it the swedes
AHAAHAAHAA!
>>72618023
Russia
>>72618774
>swiss cantons means switzerland
You could at least use a better example like the one with Bonaparte
![article-2845668-2369450F00000578-441_964x424[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0xp3P3M.jpg "article-2845668-2369450F00000578-441_964x424[1].jpg")
>>72618817
Are you stupid? British troops in general are deployed more than US ones.
Recently the SAS have been conducting operations in Iraq against IS using quadbikes
http://controversialtimes.com/news/elite-sas-qaud-squad-unit-kills-over-200-isis-members-in-covert-nighttime-attacks/
US SF are good, but they don't hold a candle to the SAS
>>72618642
>>72618817
The SAS are a meme at that point
They were the first SF, so they are often featured in movies/video games, but now their current reputation is based on those media only
We know the SAS were goat 40 years ago, but dog only knows how good they are right now
>>72618921
Yeah I've heard the 'canada da best' meme too on the internet. Too bad the only evidence for it is sourceless meme pics like yours.
>>72619084
They're the best my French friend.
>>72619084
Americans come to the SAS to get trained
>>72618023
>asian is a fucking midget
>>72619065
>like the one with Bonaparte
As if Napoleon bothered to personally lead the invasion
Some obscure French general conquered your country in a week for him
>>72619082
>Are you stupid? British troops in general are deployed more than US ones.
Where is there a source that states this?
>>72618921
>>72618533
>>72618452
>>72619119
Canadian SF are probably same level as SAS, they are one of the few tier 1 units
>>72619082
Meme article
>>72619082
USA actually catches their offenders. See bin Laden and saddam.
>>72619082
I loved the raid where the SAS wore hijabs and killed an ISIS commander.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635517/Islamic-State-ISIS-SAS-burkas-raid-headquarters-Syria-Raqqa-jihadi-leader
>>72619260
>those who can't do, teach
>>72619119
I also have this polandball comic
>>72618023
>>72618962
SASR?
>>72619292
We have a lesser number of troops, and at least a dozen countries deployed to since 1800
The average British soldier has been deployed to Afghanistan 3 times
Plus we have Northern Ireland as an anti terrorist training ground pretty much
>>72619084
Lol no
Ours are on continuous deployment, they haven't stopped in over a decade.
>>72618023
>>72618023
Where the fuck is Finland, reeeeeeeeee
>>72618023
>special welfare force
Probably the U.S
The differences in the best operators in the west are probably very slim but the US would have better support systems. JTF2 and I think SASR fought under US command for example in the first few months of Afghanistan and were praised highly but they would've been transported by American helis and using US intelligence.
>>72619517
I asked for a source bro to validate your claim
>>72619349
I've heard it said that UK SF cornered Osama multiple times but backed off to let the Americans take the glory. Only for them to lose him
Let's be honest tho, no-one here knows shit. We're all just memeing, but SAS undeniably have the most experience, it's not unnatural to assume they are still the best
Money don't buy experience
>>72618023
4 regiment of "alpini" forces. Italy has some serious elite units, they did a nice work in afghanistan.
>>72619797
>I've heard it said t
>no Brits posting anything to validate their bullshit
Y'all gotta relax with the blind patriotism.
Use common sense, there are less than 100,000 British soldiers
US soldiers are rarely deployed and poorly trained because of their high numbers, like China.
>>72619870
Your special forces are only special in the Jewish Hollywood movies.
>>72619870
Oh shit you're right, I see your sources outweigh mine
>>72619558
These?
The hard truth is that almost every western special force that has seen combat is almost identical in terms of skill.
They all train together, fight in the exact same regions, and are using the same or equivalent weaponry.
In terms of logistics and amount of hardware, the US and France are top dog, and maybe Britain as well.
Russian "SF" has consistently underpreformed and in most cases completely shit the bed on important operations.
>>72619490
Kek'd, I noticed that aswell.
>>72619944
My statement is that since the US is deployed in more wars therefore their special forces get more experience and that ultimately is what matters and constitutes "best". You reply with hearsay and WW 2 pictures.
>>72618023
It's the SAS and by that extension the SASR, they are high functioning psychopaths (in the good way)
>>72619946
this one always crack me up
>>72618023
Americans need 3 because they're too fat to fit into 1
>>72620166
Correct me if I'm wrong, at a certain point when the war on terror was at it's peak, the life span for an American "tier-1" operator was 24 hours.
>>72620047
>Russian "SF" has consistently underpreformed and in most cases completely shit the bed on important operations.
Proofs? Serious request here.
>>72618023
The British or the Americans. I don't know why you would even see the Swedes as the "Super Special Force of The World"
>>72619395
Keked at a lot of those especially Army Rangers and USAF
>>72620166
>My statement
Y'all need to stop with the blind patriotism and post sources
SAS has decades of counter terrorism and conventional SF experience, so you're fighting ISIS right now big fucking deal, we're not?
>>72618023
Well we have 3 so there's that.
Seems kind of unfair that we get three and and everyone else only gets one
Between SAS and JTF2.
>>72620391
Beslan?
Moscow theater?
>>72620370
Where are you hearing this from?
>>72620391
Moscow theatre crisis and Beslan School didn't exactly go smoothly.
They were tough situations but they ended up killing a lot of hostages themselves and trying to cover it up. They gassed everyone at the theatre.
>>72619870
>american
>lecturing others on blind patriotism
lol
>>72620422
>Y'all need to stop with the blind patriotism and post sources
What is factually untrue about my statement? Please tell me? I don't give a shit about our military I am talking from a logical point of view. Moe war = more experience and you respond with yet another WW 2 picture. Is it the 1940's tell me?
>>72620868
It's literally what you idiots are doing here though
>>72620047
Russian special forces are fighting terrorists almost daily in different mudslime parts of their country.
Chechnya, Samara oblast, etc etc.
The 'Alfa group' has extreme amount of training.
Some cream on the top, the training Spetsnaz goes through are much tougher than USA/EU special forces. We wouldn't even allow some parts of their training..
It doesn't make them better obviously, since it's basically just about training the soldier to handle tough situations well. The rest is up to the surveillance/information gather teams.
Russian SF are also famous to go "too hard" because they get the order from the top to finish it quickly. But you can't blame the guys on the ground for that.
>>72618642
Technically speaking the SAS and SEALS are roughly the same age. They used UDT teams in WW2. Oh and the rangers are straight-up older than the SAS.
>>72620802
>>72620711
Well that explains the Russian SF meme of killing everything on sight. Still though, are there comparable hostage situations on this scale that happened to us?
> Sweden
> Millitary
Choose 1
>>72618023
Denmark.
They are paid in souls.
>>72620789
I can't find the sources anymore, but it was discussed on /k/. It's been so long.
>>72621091
Well, the terrorists will have to be able to enter UK or the US first :^)
>>72621170
>I can't find the sources anymore
Got it
>>72618023
Spotted four.
>>72620047
>Russian SF shits the bed
>"NYET COMMANDER, I MEANT TO RAM THAT HOSPITAL WITH THE BMP"
>>72618023
It's SAS
Even other special forces say this. And it's been proven many times as well.
SAS even train american spec forces to bring em up to scratch!
>>72620211
God Bless the SASR
>>72621199
Probably already have enough of them now.
>>72620969
Our SF are also taught not to rely on technology, but rather to rely on their own abilities, because in the field anything can happen and you're not always going to have access to your high-tech gadgets.
>>72618023
I want to have pic related please :(
>>72621478
Do special forces really do the things they do in Call of Duty? Do the SAS really interrogate terrorists by attaching a car battery to their testicles?
>>72620391
See Beslan, Moscow theatre hostage situation, etc.
>>72618023
It's not even an argument.
The US-UK(they almost always deploy to the same shitholes) or Russia, because they have the highest funding, the most personnel and are constantly deployed with no more than a few years' downtime.
Russian equipment isn't quite as good, but they have the Caucusus/Chechnya/Dagestan as a never ending live fire exercise, so their operators know how to operate specifically in the modern era of COIN.
Everybody else lacks the size, budget and experience to compete.
>>72621478
Not including imperialist based Japan from WW2
>>72620868
>>72619942
>>72619944
>Countering generalizations with more generalizations
Both of you post proof for your claims, and stop being retarded.
>>72621714
Yes of course, call of duty is just like real life. If you can quick scope there, you can quick scope in real life. Trust my I tried it myself back then at verdun in the trench. The surrender monkeys didn´t even had the time to surrender so quick was I.
>>72621829
>The US-UK
Haha just admit that our special forces is better mate it's your time to be number 2 for once
>>72618023
I WAS A DELTA-6, RECON SNIPER, TOP GUN INSTRUCTOR, SPACE SHUTTLE DOOR GUNNER, AND YOU CAN ALL SUCK MY DICK!
>>72620907
Stop looking at the pics they ain't relevant, go on wikipedia and search SAS operations if you think they haven't been relevant in the past 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50.. years
The troubles wasn't WW2, the falklands wasn't WW2, bosnia wasn't WW2, libya iraq sierra lione afghan
not fkn WW2 m8
>>72621969
>verdun
There is no COD that dealt with WWI
heard some stories about the fsk that would make people shit their pants. type action movie style infiltration skills. had stayed invisible to an opponent that walked through their base of operations twice etc.
>>72618023
>SEAL
meatheads
>SFOD-D
Cowboys
>OGA
Scary spooky operatives
>JTF2
Nerds
>SAS
Classy meatheads
>FSK
Just good enough to be called special forces
>SOG
Faggots
>KSK
Spend 8 hours planning every shot
>UDT/SEAL
Useless on land
>GROM
Efficiency over accuracy
>Spetsnaz
Psychopaths
>SASR
Combat equivalent of shitposting
>>72621091
>Russian SF meme of killing everything on sight
Well, it's true when they deal with terrorist cells in Dagestan/Ingushetia/Chechnya, they just blow shit up with RsHG's and portable flamethrowers, and then let police sip through ashes.
I personally think that SF guys did well in Nord-Ost, it just the officials tried to negotiate for too long and med personnel kind of fucked up and didn't bring enough chems to stabilize gased civilians.
Maybe I'm wrong but whatever.
>>72618023
Swedish Operator is the most handsome :3
israel
>>72622120
Of course the burger education ruins it not getting the joke
>inb4 no I trolled u kekekek
>>72618023
Russia
/thread
>>72618230
yeah, right
Nice VPN.
>>72618023
>not including JIDF
>>72622042
The UK military barely keeps its budget up to NATO minimums, you're a joke clinging on to a self-propagated mythos. SAS lost its supremacy in the early 60s.
>>72622118
>i still have no proof and now I am moving the goalposts
I never said they weren't relevant. For the last time my argument is experience makes one "the best" and the US and probably Russia have the most experience they can be argued as being "the best" were the SAS were the best in the 40's today I would gather not too much since they aren't deployed as much and because your defense spending is a fraction what it used to be. We know this because while you won Falklands it was seen as a disaster more or less and showed how your country has a fraction of the military might it used to. You are probably going to strawman once again and i'll just leave this thread then because I don't care enough about this topic honestly.
>>72622307
But.. But I have money
Money makes me good
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-11900709
>>72622228
no I trolled u kekekek
>>72622280
Nice VPN, Igor
>>72622307
>The UK military barely keeps its budget up to NATO minimums
Why wouldn't we? We have many Americans that are willing to die for us : ^ )
>you're a joke clinging on to a self-propagated mythos.
Ah is that why you put us at the top with you? Make up your mind queer
>>72618023
The best are going to be stuff we hardly hear about, like Task Force 88, or CIA SAD
I'm sure there's a level of secrecy out there that would shock us
>>72618023
>USA, Canada and Korea are the shortest
Haha
>>72619065
You tried and you failed, moutain jews.
>>72621091
No not comparable. There were 31 terrorists at Beslan with dead mans switches and like 500 hostages.
Still, 400 people were killed and like 800 wounded, they shot rpgs and tank shells at the gymnasium full of children and they lost a dozen Special forces operators. They also let civilian locals get their guns and join the fight. We will never know if a western SF group could've done better but I can't imagine it being such shitshow in terms of strategy and disorganization.
>>72619307
>bin-laden
You killed an unarmed and undefended old man hiding in a village, great work mate
>>72618921
>>72619517
hahahaholy fuck.
look at the torch on the lead guys mp5
wow
>>72622786
>torch
It's called a flash light
SAS and the SEALS
SAS receives broader training, but the SEALS receive more experience / deployments.
>>72622425
>says nothing
>"I've said nothing either but what you've said isn't enough for me"
>Therefore my unsupported statement is true
Feel free to practice what you preach, anytime. UK has more experience than the US
For fucking decades. That's why US come to UK for tips on how to have a good SF, not the other way around.
Is the SAS the most overrated special force unit?
>>72622459
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basra_prison_incident
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article2937364.ece
:^)
>>72618023
Swedes are good but have little experience. Like the majority of european special forces.
So the only ones worth talking about are the yanks, brits and ruskies. South Korea has some edge as they are constantly expecting war. And of those mentioned the sas are the best, I do think the lack of SBS shows the lack of knowledge from the devs. SASR are decent, mentally they stand between the brits and the yanks but without the experience both those countries have but their modelling on the brit sas is a good thing.
Tl;dr
>SAS
>SFOD-D
>Spetsnaz
SEALS are a caricature.
>>72622548
>Ah is that why you put us at the top with you?
Experience counts more than anything else, and the UK has gotten more experience in the last thirty years simply by clinging on to America's ballsack than anybody else but the US and Russia.
>>72622859
At what point are you going to tell me how what I am saying is wrong? For the last time how is this statement flawed:
"The US has been in the most wars recently therefore, their special forces see more experience therefore they should be considered "the best"". Answer just that question.
>>72618642
I know right, I mean how is this even a topic of debate?
>>72622425
The SAS are constantly deployed somewhere or other. They're currently active in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan at least. The French and Russian forces are perpetually active too.
>>72623131
In the same way NK has been in a war for 50 years and are janky as fuck, it's irrelevant. The SAS has decades of proven military prowess, all the way up to the current day. The US does not have this cemented reputation.
Just because you're in a fucking war right now doesn't mean shit. The UK is too.
Which wars have the US been in recently that UK has not?
>>72623098
The SAS also single-handedly won the Falklands War, which America had nothing to do with.
The French forces are much more involved in Africa than British or American forces too.
I dont know if this videos been posted yet but here it is the SAS fucking up some Iranian hostage takers in the 80s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUrS2UxUb_E
>>72622850
Why would you want it to flash? Surely a continuous stream of light would be much more beneficial in that situation...
>>72623504
>it's irrelevant
>experience in actual wars is irrelevant
ok time to jettison this thread not going to argue with childish blind patriotism
>>72623642
Name some situations that the American special forces were involved in that the British weren't also.
I don't even know or care who is the best, but your argument that your forces are more active is simply wrong.
AMERICA
>>72623543
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege
>>72618023
>Korean is a manlet
kek. Memes aside, either USA or UK. The SAS is god-tier but so are American special forces.
In fact, Britain is probably more dependent on its special forces because we have lower capacity for conventional warfare.
>>72623642
>any experience = cemented reputation for military frowess
Pic related
Your argument in a nutshell
Okay.jpg
>>72619490
Ayy lmao!
>>72622763
Is that the british one?
>>72624020
That's our defense minister
>all these infantry baby SF
America probably has the best
Pic related: 160th SOAR
Since no one is saying it:
If all these groups had the same equipment and had the same amount of support/intel:
SAS wins - Their training and techniques are the foundation of every other Special Operations group.
If all these groups were equipped and had the support/intel from their respective nation:
The US (Close tie between SFOD-D and CIA's SAD/SOG) - Any US special operations group get the mobility and air support of Air Force, they're equipped with the latest and greatest (to include receiving experimental gear, and they're trained to work interoperable of eachother)
Now, why I believe Delta and CIA are on top: They're spooks. Not only is Delta trained in counter-terrorism, intel gathering, and hostage rescue like DEVGRU is, but they also specialize in recruiting and raising guerrilla Armies. If needed, they can drop into a random country, raise an Army, and help overthrow a Goverment through civilian revolutions and targeted killing. They also recruit from every service (Marines have been attached to Delta).
CIA's SAD and SOG are also trained in everything above, but they're able to recruit from every pool in thr Armed Forces and civilian sector: The best shooters, the best intel gatherers, etc. Plus the overall level of importance in terms of what they deal with and their clandestine nature (i.e - DEVGRU being attached to the CIA during OP: Neptune's Spear, just so they can operate in secrecy. You always hear about the SEALs, but what about the SOG operators during that operation).
>>72618023
OGA should have a split us uk flag
>>72623642
Heres your argument friendo
The US SF currently utilised in a war > The UK SF currently utilised in a war + 50 plus years of immaculate reputation which SF from around the world come to learn (and somehow magically all these SF are the best of the best despite listening to the outdated and now defunct SAS)
>UK why you blind patrioting?
>>72624232
lol this is shopped, the rotors aren't even moving.
>>72618452
It can't be canada, because every single enemy they kill the more their enemy wins.
>>72618774
>Swears
>Eternal
>Neutrality
>>72618023
Serbia, easily
Our special forces unit literally assassinated our prime minister.
>>72625014
Our army doesn't answer to the prime minister unlike your nigger in chief.
But seriously speaking Canada's army is great considering what little resources we have, if we had the resources of the US army we would be the most feared army in the world, for our toy size we always punch way above our weight.
In the end though I think all the Anglo countries are top tier, there's something in the Anglo blood that makes us strive to be the best in the world.
>>72618023
GROM
DEVGRU
SAS
NORNAVSOC/FSK
In that order
>>72618642
Ah... The english invent a bunch of great things only to be surpassed by other countries.
>>72623642
>not agreeing with me that my countries SF are best is blind patriotism on your behalf
>despite your reasoned argument
>>72623967
Did that guy fight in the war of independence too?
>>72618774
>tfw you rekt a country so hard he swear to never fight again
>>72624840
>i cannot into shutter speed
>>72624232
>our equipment is all black
>this makes us the best
>>72618023
1. Spetnaz
2. SEAL
3. SAS
The other US ones are faggy as shit.
>>72618023
probably the ones we dont know about
>>72618023
It's the burgers.
It would have been SAS, but they got circumcised with budget cuts.
>>72619517
You guys don't do that much SF work in N.Ireland anymore, it's mostly our police force and your spooks.
Mostly because the disgusting terrorists in this country have become even more incompetent
>>72621478
Even the national guard of Norway beat the SAS and the navy seals in combat training here in Norway. The marine hunters are beyond any of those soldiers. They havn't lost an international training session in 20 years.
>>72630866
wow congrats when it comes to pretending you can win
>>72618475
GIGN is anti-terrorism
>>72618607
real question is why no foreign legion?
>>72631828
Meatshields and expendable retards arent Special Forces
>>72620370
That's retarded on it's face. Mathematically, try to explain how an incredibly small community sustained a casualty rate like that. Plus, you don't seem to understand that there is specialization even among Tier One organizations. It's ridiculous to make this claim.
Unless you got proofs, you need to forget you ever heard this and find something that isn't demonstrably stupid to believe in.
>>72618023
British SAS.
>>72626088
Dubs = Truth
>>72618023
Probably China simply because they have a massive talent pool to pick from. After that America for the same reason.
>>72618023
Probably the US Special Forces.Navy SEALs, Green Berets, and MARSOC.
>>72632727
>the son and the person with the dildo are the same person
feels bad man
>>72618023
UK for sure
The one that actually does ops around the world instead of "training" all day.
Therefore the US.
