Is rape within marriage possible? What does /pol/ think?
>>72594782
No, just a feminist ploy
>>72594782
Marriage is a 50/50 split.
50% of that snatch belongs to the husband, he may use it when he pleases.
>>72594782
>muhammad marries 12 year old
>rams his penis in undersized child
sure thang friendo
>>72594782
Yes. If you forcibly fuck somebody it's rape regardless if you're married or not
>>72594782
"I do" counts as eternal consent.
The priest just doesn't explicitly say "you have to let him fuck you"
>>72595189
"To have and to hold in sickness and in health" is church speak for "To fuck and to cuddle". A woman or man not putting out isn't holding up their marriage vows, it's pretty explicit.
>>72595297
Yeah, I don't have the standard vows memorized. I don't perform many weddings these days.
>>72594846
This.
>>72594899
Oh hey look, Mr. Poo here likes to rape. Surprise suprise...
>>72594782
>Is rape within marriage possible? What does /pol/ think?
Does your spouse/partner agree to have sex with you?
If they disagreed did you still have sex?
It's pretty simple however I think it's just a "want revenge? claim rape!" card that favors women to screw men over legally
>>72594782
Well if she doesn't give consent, yeah. Same if she jams something up your ass without you giving consent. Kind of a losing battle for men though, since there's far more of a stigma against men calling things rape than for women (although with the inflation of the false rape accusations in the media now, things could get weird)
>>72595373
>these days
I know who's been posting the pedo acceptance threads, boys.
>>72594782
Nice tits
Sure, I've raped plenty of married women.
>>72594782
Rape is an act involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent.
One school of thought might say, "of course, a man might force sexual penetration onto his wife"
Another school of thought might argue that a woman agreed to this when she married him.
thoughts??
>>72594782
You'd have to be retarded to argue that you can't rape your wife
what a sane person would argue with is the definition and the lowered standards for the definition of rape.
>>72596395
>nother school of thought might argue that a woman agreed to this when she married him.
then why not postpone it?, like darling I'd love you to fuck me like the piece of meat I am but I don't want to do it right now, can we do it tonight? maybe tomorrow before you go to work?
>>72596595
Interesting question. How long can a woman "postpone" sex from her husband before he is justified to rape her?
1 Corinthians 7:1-5
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman." But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
>the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does
>Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does
>Do not deprive one another
>Do not deprive one another
>Do not deprive one another
>>72596817
Amen
>>72596817
so she can tell his dick not tonight becuase its hers really clear
>>72597067
If he wants it, she has to give it up. There's no room for worming out of it.
>>72597067
Also true the other way around. We can keep going in circles.
But for real though why would you marry someone who doesn't love you?
>>72596817
>>72596894
>>72597132
>>72597474
>>72596395
>>72595297
>>72595189
>>72594846
>>72594818
This is why most people are atheist.
>>72597834
This is why atheists don't have children.
>>72597937
But that's not true.
Also
>the only way to have children is by inflicting horror and horrible damage/trauma on your wife
Wow, children of religious people are literally the spawn of evil. No wonder they're always full issues.
>>72597834
Most people are idiots. So what?
Pretty sure they have something called 'wifely duty' so no. but who the wants to bang their wife after a little while anyways. nobody.
>>72598215
Real idiots would be the ones who do evil like raping their wife, most people aren't that idiotic thankfully.
>>72596791
In many legal system thats a cause for divorce
>>72598275
Wifely duty does not exist anymore as it's been recognized as the unacceptable cruelty it is with all the damage and trauma it causes.
Rape in marriage didn't use to be a crime, but nowadays it can be rape or some kind of sexual assault in the states I think. Hard to recall from class.
>>72596791
He is never justified to rape her. He can break up with her and go be with someone else, but he is never justified to rape anyone. Rape is a crime.
>>72598164
>But that's not true.
Yes it is.
>inflicting horror and horrible damage/trauma on your wife
You must be a woman. Enjoy having no children and hitting the wall after you've fucked every swinging dick into your 30s, and nobody wants you.
Come home drunk and expect to fuck
2 different playing fields
All I can say.
You signed a legally binding agreement that you're my sex toy, don't cry about it now
Roll over, pull down those PJ bottoms, and let me get off before bed
>>72598462
No it is not.
>You must be a woman. Enjoy having no children and hitting the wall after you've fucked every swinging dick into your 30s, and nobody wants you
So you admit you're doing evil and you admit that your religion promotes evil, and your only retort to this truth is bitter autistic spazzing. This is why men like you shouldn't breed.
>>72598358
>>72598439
hi pic related.
>>72598628
>No it is not.
Yes it is.
I take immense pleasure in knowing evil gets its due. Cry more, bitch.
>>72598583
>You signed a legally binding agreement that you're my sex toy
That's not what the marriage contract is.
>>72598710
But it could be.
>>72594782
It's touchy.
Legit brutal rape will likely get you jailed for domestic abuse.
Pushy sex happens, depends how much it pisses the wife off and the worst outcome is she leaves.
>picturing all these fat drunken neckbeards humping their poor wife for 3 minutes then rolling over
"Aren't you glad you aren't with a nigger honey? Trump is awesome huh? Well, goodnight!"
>>72594782
is it possible to prove rape after having consensual sex beforehand?
>>72598696
No it is not.
>I take immense pleasure in knowing evil gets its due
Evil gets fought and rightfully rejected. Your due will be your just punishment for being a piece of shit.
>>72594782
Kinda, if you punch your wife enough before or during sex it will probably become nonconsensual at some point.
The husband is 100% entitled to use of the wife's body (and my marriage vows made it clear she's my possession) but he should generally be somewhat respectful about it, I don't find sex remotely interesting if the woman isn't thoroughly enjoying herself. You should be fairly considerate about it, generally give her time to prepare and be hydrated and so forth.
Before you marry a girl you should have thoroughly gotten to know her inside and out and make sure she doesn't have a defiant bone in her body.
>>72598768
Not for anyone sane or not suicidally desperate.
.
>>72598835
My reward is carrying on my genetics. Your reward is a barren cunt and a house full of cats.
>>72598860
>The husband is 100% entitled to use of the wife's body (and my marriage vows made it clear she's my possession)
Ahmed?
>>72598827
without video/audio surveilence or witnesses it shouldn`t be.
>>72598934
Muslims did not invent male dominant relationships and women are happier with an assertive man, always.
>raping your wife
literally impossible
>>72598905
>My reward is carrying on my genetics
Those will be failures too. Mothers resent unwanted children and make sure they grow up literal undesirable shit.
Keep being wrong about me however, reality will come back to kill you when you least expect it.
>>72598779
>he's actually implying /pol/ isn't /fit/ as fuck
Women with right wing lovers report greater satisfaction since were generally crude, sexist, masculine, and just take what we want
>>72594782
I want to say no.
But you're all a bunch of autistic faggots and you will misinterpret as much as possible.
So I am going to have to say maybe.
>>72597834
Most of those responses don't have to do with religion and no, very few people are atheist. 0.7% or so of America for example.
>>72599032
>Muslims did not invent male dominant relationships
Muslims are the only ones who think they're 100% entitled to use of the wife's body and who claim women are possessions. Western marriage has long evolved from that crap.
>women are happier with an assertive man
Assertive != rapist. You can be assertive but when she rejects you, you have no right to disregard her rejection. If you disregard her rejection that's not being assertive, that's being cruel and criminal.
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>>72599138
>>72599186
>Most of those responses don't have to do with religion
>literally trying to justify rape because muh sandnigger book says rape is ok
>>72598934
>he's a cuck
Any man before 1960 in the west knew his wife existed for his pleasure
If a wife won't feed, fuck, or clean for her man without question she's useless
FFS even the ancient Greeks knew this
>>72599222
Hm, nope, try again. For the vast majority of human history this was the norm and will always be the norm for the vast majority of the population.
>Assertive!=rapist
Never said it was.
>you have no right to disregard her rejection
What kind of drooling fucking moron would marry a woman who hasn't already accepted the truth that it is her duty to pleasure her husband?
To put it another way, it is universally known that a man that can't or won't please his woman is a failure, and thus by that token the reverse is true as well.
>>72599222
What an odd coincidence
Especially when in pretty much EVERY Christian or Jewish European culture you could prosecute your spouse (husband or wife) for refusing to fuck on command
Even the puritans recognized the right to sex
> Wife doesn't want to have sex
> Don't have sex with her
Is it that hard for you guys? My wife has a high libido, yet if theres ever a night she doesn't want to have sex, I don't force it on her. Forced sex, with or without marriage is rape. Are you guys literally that stupid?
>>72599274
>literally trying to justify rape because muh sandnigger book says rape is ok
You must be trolling, that's the opposite of what I said.
>>72599433
>Are you guys literally that stupid?
Do you really have to ask? These threads attract edgelord /r9k/ types and their retarded opinions.
>>72599269
>bluehairedfedorascoveredinpimplesandbearingMLPmerchandiseandBerniehats.jpg
>>72599274
You're a woman who's just anally devastated that she couldn't use sex as a carrot stick to get whatever she wants out of a man
>>72594782
Marriage does not automatically imply consent. This is a legal fact. Men have been arrested for raping their wives, at least in developed western countries. The occasional woman has been arrested every now and again for raping their spouse.
If she says no, then don't bother. The law will be on her side and the only person you will be cuddling with for quite a few years will be that "muh dick" black guy they stuck you in with as a cell-mate (not that /pol/ would mind, as cuck-porn is an apparent obsession here).
Some men have been hauled off for sleep sex, which does happen occasionally. Sad that for an uncontrollable condition as it is thought to be, that the wife would condemn her husband to a life-time of agony both in and out of jail.
At any-rate, again, no it is not okay to rape a woman, even if you are married. You will get shat on by the system and no one will give a fuck when you disappear in a prison 'cept your mom who will have an empty space in her basement and her heart forever more.
>>72599433
Pretty much nobody considered it rape until the Jews pushed feminism on our countries
When you choose to marry you're surrendering your body to your spouse
In many states marital "rape" wasn't outlawed until the 80's-90's because the idea is fucking retarded
So, to the people who claim you can rape your wife, is it OK for her to rape you?
>>72599402
>For the vast majority of human history this was the norm and will always be the norm for the vast majority of the population.
It's already not in the civilized part of the world. Do you want society to regress?
>What kind of drooling fucking moron would marry a woman who hasn't already accepted the truth that it is her duty to pleasure her husband?
What kind of drooling fucking idiot would marry a man that thinks bullshit like that is true? You're making an incentive for good women not to marry.
>it is universally known that a man that can't or won't please his woman is a failure, and thus by that token the reverse is true as well
That's a distortion. In truth a woman and a man who won't have sex with each other just break up and go look for better partners. You have no justification for rape.
>>72599419
>Especially when in pretty much EVERY Christian or Jewish European culture you could prosecute your spouse (husband or wife) for refusing to fuck on command
You could ask for a divorce/annulment, not prosecute.
>>72599798
>When you choose to marry you're surrendering your body to your spouse
I am not, and if my spouse tries to rape me I will have justice one way or another.
>>72599057
At least he passes them on, which is successfully fulfilling the reproductive mandate.
>>72599798
When you marry someone you don't become property you fucking knuckle dragging savage or muslim.
>men use money to get sex....women use sex to get money.....oldest transaction of all time...pay her....works every time.
>>72598887
So... there is a chance!
>>72594782
No although you should not strike your women if you are married either.
There's literally nothing wrong with sex in marriage.
Only fags and feministards were mad when pic related consumated his marriage with Sansa Stark.
>>72600248
>At least he passes them on
I don't think so. His kind is the kind that gets cheated on the most, and the kind that sees the highest rate of infanticide.
>Which is successfully fulfilling the reproductive mandate
See above. I'll be more successful.
>>72600118
>Do you want society to regress?
There is no "progression" or "regression" in history, there is just history. Not every irrelevant passing fad in society lasts forever.
>You're making an incentive for good women not to marry.
Since marriage is a form of charity that men show to women, that's 100% fine.
>>72594782
Yes, of course.
>>72600565
>Since marriage is a form of charity that men show to women
It's a equal contract to people who love each other, it's not a charity.
Achmed, don't you have more women to rape?
>>72600251
>calling your ancestors savages
>>72600388
Sansa is a totally one note character, "upset because of her husband being a psycho."
Holy shit, why doesn't /pol/ just embrace Islam already? Their retarded barbarism goes together like peas in a pod.
>>72600565
>There is no "progression" or "regression" in history
So you deny the technological progress there's been throughout history?
You deny the development of self-consciousness and human rights as well or you think that's a irrelevant passing fad?
>Since marriage is a form of charity that men show to women
Yep you do. Keep being lower class scum while the high society shits on you.
>>72600680
You people call niggers savages all the time and your ancestors are literally niggers from Africa.
>>72594782
MOOH DEECK
>>72600676
>It's an equal contract
What is alimony. What is child support. What is divorce court. At every step of the way, it gives more power to the woman.
>>72600822
And that's a horrible thing and it is major of example of how horrible modern feminism is, but that doesn't change that rape is rape no matter the marital status.
>>72600751
This is not the tumblr you're looking for.
>>72600893
ISIS please.
If a woman is happy and loves the man with the in a marriage she loves to be taken she will even fantasize about being raped.
if a woman is unhappy and Wants out she will consider the same act rape
>>72600760
>You deny the development of self-consciousness
"development of self consciousness" is definitely just philosophical nonsense.
>and human rights as well or you think that's a irrelevant passing fad?
What the hell does "development of human rights" even mean? Its flowery language for those in power to get what they want (generally more refugees into their country).
Right to speech sure as fuck hasn't proliferated, for example.
>>72600893
Embrace the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him already, my brother in Islam. We have many young lolis for you to rape, completely legal!
>>72600870
I have never argued rape was okay, so I'm not sure what that has to do with me.
>>72601028
So, if a woman doesn't want you to force yourself on her like a baboon, she doesn't love you?
>>72600822
>What is alimony
The just support you pay for a spouse you demanded to be dependent on you, so take reponsibility
>What is child support
The just support you pay for having a child which is a fucking expensive thing, you can't force women to have a child and then refuse to pay for the child's upkeep. Children are expensive and society doesn't want your burdens
>What is divorce court
A court that regulates divorce
>At every step of the way, it gives more power to the woman
That's because you're an abusive retard.
ITT edgy teens trying to fit in
>>72594782
Yes, but that's further proof that marriage is a failed system.
>>72601139
While I do agree that rape can happen in marriage, alimony, child support and divorce court overwhelmingly unfairly favors women.
>>72594782
nope if you dont wanna fuck dont have a sexual relationship with some one, she sleeps you can just put it in there
>>72600751
Fuck sandnigger sub humans
>>72594782
In Louisiana, a man can rape his wife but it's based on age I think.
>>72601101
So in your mind, forcing a woman to have sex without her consent isn't rape?
>>72601177
welcome to forchin
>>72601234
But Anon
Islam is a religion not a race :^)
>>72601139
>The just support you pay for a spouse you demanded to be dependent on you, so take reponsibility
Ergo, its not an equal contract.
>you demanded
HA
>you can't force women to have a child
Nobody's forcing women to have a child. The rules here are wholly unequal; the woman can terminate a fetus or bring it to term and exact payment purely on the basis of her whimsy, and he has no say either way. Again, an unequal relationship.
>That's because you're an abusive retard
Not in the slightest, my wife adores me, because unsurprisingly it brings women great enjoyment to have an assertive husband. I wasn't even an assertive type before I got with her.
Not to mention, I pointed out two ways in which these relationships are totally unequal and your response is to... insult me. Well done. Whether I am a saint or a demon does not affect the law.
>>72601088
Nice straw man
We just want to exterminate or expel all non europeans from the west, return women to a traditional servile position, sterllize the degenerates, and outlaw religion while following a natsoc ideology
>>72601270
And if there's anyone you want on your side in an argument is Louisiana.
>>72594782
No, women deserve it.
>>72601047
>just philosophical nonsense
Congrats you're an idiot.
>What the hell does "development of human rights" even mean?
It's the foundantion of all developed nations. You sound like you're from some third world shithole.
>Right to speech sure as fuck hasn't proliferated
>claims this while being allowed to spew whatever shit he craps out safely and without consequence on 4chan
The hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness is so ironic for a board full of people who claim to be virgins because they're so intelligent.
>>72601275
So in your mind, coming up with ridiculous strawmen is reasonable discourse?
I never argued in favor of "forcing a woman to have sex without her consent," try again.
>>72601337
What's that supposed to mean?
>>72601336
Sounds totally plausible dude. Let's see it.
>>72601412
You yourself claimed that a man is entitled to 100% of a woman body and that she can be your property.
What does it matter whether she consents?
>>72594782
it is not possible to rape a woman unless she is owned by a man and he says no
>>72601387
>It's the foundantion of all developed nations.
>claims this while being allowed to spew whatever shit he craps out safely and without consequence on 4chan
What the hell? Get back to me when "all developed nations" have freedom of speech. Don't pretend "human rights" are some sort of unified belief. They are mostly adopted on the basis of political convenience.
> for a board full of people who claim to be virgins
Yeah, its common for men to lie and claim to be virgins on an anonymous message board.
>>72601508
>What does it matter whether she consents?
For one thing, a woman that is merely noncooperative and flops around like a passive wet noodle, let alone one who fights you, is very difficult to work with, I would assume
>>72601329
>Ergo, its not an equal contract
It is an equal contract. If you demand your wife not have her own means of support because you think women belong in the kitchen and then suddenly you want to drop her to starve somewhere because you're bored of her, the inequality would be letting you be a little abusive shit like that. Which is why alimony exists.
>HA
Either you support women working or you don't. Which side are you on?
>Nobody's forcing women to have a child.
Places that criminalize or ban abortion do force women to have children, so do husbands who think they're entitled to the wife's body, when they're not. And force them to unwanted pregnancies.
>Not in the slightest, my wife adores me, because unsurprisingly it brings women great enjoyment to have an assertive husband
Once again assertive != rapist. You defended rape, claiming a man has the right to rape his wife when he doesn't. When your wife rejects, you have no right to force her. As long as she doesn't reject you, that's swell, be however she likes you to be, but know your boundaries if you don't want to be a criminal.
So, is a woman allowed to rape her husband?
>>72601551
>Get back to me when "all developed nations" have freedom of speech
You do have freedom of speech already and you're using it right now. You aren't in some Soviet state/Nazi Germany where the secret police is controlling your thoughts and will come knocking at your door to concentration/gulag camp you for disagreeing with the regime. You'll just keep shitposting on the internet with no consequence on your life. That's freedom of speech kiddo.
>Don't pretend "human rights" are some sort of unified belief
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
>Yeah, its common for men to lie and claim to be virgins on an anonymous message board
Congrats you didn't get my point at all.
>>72601551
>Don't pretend "human rights" are some sort of unified belief
For civilized countries, it is. Jesus, how do you think people get sentenced on human rights violations.
>>72601337
You talkin shit on the Napoleonic Code coullion?
>>72601637
But what does that matter if you claim rape is ok to you? I assume being a man you'll just break her bones until she stops struggling.
>>72596817
Doing God's work anon.
Christ be with you
>>72597132
That isn't what that means at all. Read it again. It means be fucking adults about it, and not use sex as leverage. This isn't rocket science.
>>72601677
>It is an equal contract
You leftists are mentally so far gone that you can't wrap your head around what the word "equal" means anymore. To you, the word is just a hollow platitude like "nice" or "cool."
> If you demand your wife not have her own means of support
And ALREADY you're lying. What the husband "tells" the woman doesn't have any relation to alimony law, ever, period. Not to mention how does a man "tell" his wife to not have a job, but can't tell her to have sex? How the fuck does that work? Also, can I, by that token, tell my wife to get a job? Is there some sort of rulebook I can reference?
Why do leftists view sexual agency as somehow infinitely more powerful than economic agency? Especially when asking your wife to quit her job is more of a stretch than asking your wife to have sex with you (its to be expected that a couple fucks at some point, its not particularly expected that you lose your job).
>Either you support women working or you don't. Which side are you on?
The question is nonsense. Supporting women working does not magically make your wife get a job, nor does it magically protect you from alimony.
>Places that criminalize or ban abortion do force women to have children, so do husbands who think they're entitled to the wife's body, when they're not. And force them to unwanted pregnancies.
None of which is even remotely relevant to the conversation. In your perfect world, gender rights are one sided in favor of the woman. I am in favor of either them being equal (ie. both have equal say with regards to abortion, child support, etc.) or if they have to be unequal, in favor of the man, obviously.
>claiming a man has the right to rape his wife when he doesn't.
Never happened, but the marriage serves no purpose if the woman is not going to totally submit to her husband as a foregone conclusion. In terms of the law, a marriage is totally in favor of the woman.
If you want a system that favors the man, just stay single.
>>72602115
God is evil and must be rejected for the good if humanity.
Ironically Christ said not to do evil to others which is what rape and the stuff in the bible is.
>>72601749
Yes? No? Maybe? Are you talking about "does a spouse have the right to shove a cucumber up the other person's butt while they're asleep" or just simple gratification?
The simple answer is no, but the real answer is that as I mentioned nobody is going to admire or respect a man who declines to sexually provide for his woman, so the reverse should be true as well.
>>72602244
How are God and Christ evil exactly?
>>72594924
totally legit Muhammad knew how to be do it right. No rape religion of peace
>>72596073
Plenty of times my wife didn't want to have sex.
I take her panties off anyway and we fuck.
>>72601915
>You do
I didn't know the US was "all developed nations." Most developed nations do NOT have anything resembling free speech.
>un
Like I said, human rights are not a unified belief at all. Saudi Arabia is on the UN human rights council, and the UN isn't even *remotely* committed to freedom of speech. You just defeated your own argument. Human rights are totally relative.
>>72601993
>how do you think people get sentenced on human rights violations
One set of rules for me, and another set of rules for thee.
There are virtually no universal human rights, and they're generally irrelevant.
>>72602051
>if you claim rape is ok
I don't.
>I assume being a man you'll just break her bones until she stops struggling.
Alright I have to assume you are merely pretending to be retarded at this point. Good show.
ITT:
>lmao marriage is consent
>lol I don't care about the womynz I even said I'd rape one
>guys look, he said the word consent
>that's what a feminist look like amirite?
>guys am I a cool kid now?
>am I edgy enough?
>guys?
>>72595777
now i am seriously disgusted
>>72594782
Hmm. OP's pic makes me want to masturbate. What was your question?
>>72602222
>You leftists are mentally so far gone that you can't wrap your head around what the word "equal" means anymore
I'm not a leftist, and you don't know what the word "equal" means, I see.
>What the husband "tells" the woman doesn't have any relation to alimony law, ever, period.
Yes it does when the telling goes from mere dismissable telling to forcing. Your type isn't the type to be with a woman who does what she wants.
>Not to mention how does a man "tell" his wife to not have a job, but can't tell her to have sex?
By coercing/forcing her into being a stay at home without income for his sake, for the sake of the children, and other crap like that. Also criminals still commit criminal acts like the rape you're so fond with and other abuse.
>How the fuck does that work?
It's called being abusive and it's justly condemned.
>Also, can I, by that token, tell my wife to get a job?
Sure you can tell anything you want. Doesn't mean she has to listen. It's when you force your hand that you go wrong. Although in the case of wanting your spouse to get a job you'd be on the just side because burdens are recognized as a detrimental thing, and you could for a divorce/separation/breaking up slanted in your favor since technically it's your spouse who's in the wrong, you shouldn't want to be a burden to others. If it is you who asked her not to work though, your ground is a lot shakier.
>Is there some sort of rulebook I can reference?
It's called common sense.
>Why do leftists view sexual agency as somehow infinitely more powerful than economic agency? Especially when asking your wife to quit her job is more of a stretch than asking your wife to have sex with you
I see both as equally important. You shouldn't ask your wife to quit her job if she doesn't want to and you shouldn't rape your wife when she doesn't want to have sex with you. Respecting your spouse's will is what's important.
>>72594899
>>72594782
Yes.
>>72594782
>Is it possible?
What are you, an idiot? Can't you imagine at least 3 scenarios in your head in which this might happen?
>How about tonight, hun?
>No!
>Too bad, slut!
>*rape intensifies*
>>72602222
Cont.
>Supporting women working does not magically make your wife get a job
Demanding your wife not work certainly does not make her get a job either, in fact it has no chances compared to supporting her getting a job.
>nor does it magically protect you from alimony
Actually it does since alimony is calculated on many factors including the other spouse's income and means of self-support. You may get no or less alimony to pay if your spouse can support themselves but you WILL 100% be made to pay alimony if your spouse cannot.
>None of which is even remotely relevant to the conversation
Your nonsense is irrelevant to the conversation. The conversation is about rape which unwanted pregnancies are often a consequence of.
>I am in favor of either them being equal (ie. both have equal say with regards to abortion, child support, etc
You can't force a woman to have a child she does not want. Her body is her own, not yours.
>if they have to be unequal, in favor of the man
That's horrible abusive crap.
>Never happened
You literally claimed rape is ok because the wife is the husband's possession to you.
>In terms of the law, a marriage is totally in favor of the woman
Marriage should protect people from abusive and rapist husbands like you so it's good that marriage is at it is. You can't demand the right to rape and violate people unpunished.
>>72602869
>and you don't know what the word "equal" means, I see.
Your view of the term 'equal relationship' is a meaningless compliment like "cool" or "nice." My view is that both parties receive the same rights from it.
>Your type isn't the type to be with a woman who does what she wants.
Yeah, I'm sure I got this here wife by my, uh, magical powers, and not because she wants to be with me. Get fucking real.
>It's called common sense
I only talk about the law as it is, not as it "should" be.
>>72602370
Because he brought justice to the people that did evil, obviously, lel.
>>72603252
>You literally claimed rape is ok because the wife is the husband's possession to you.
I did not. I said that I made it clear in my marriage vows that my wife was my possession, and leading up to marriage we had extensive convos on this sort of thing. Its very important to make sure you're on the same page.
>rapist husbands like you
You'd think rapists would invent a way to rape women that doesn't require their consent first, you know like per definition.
>>72602623
>I don't.
But you do. You claim your wife is your possession and she has no right to reject you if she wants.
>>72602537
>I didn't know the US was "all developed nations." Most developed nations do NOT have anything resembling free speech
The West does, so does the East. Even China lets a lot of freedom on personal topics like rape and marriage.
>Saudi Arabia is on the UN human rights council
And it's been rightfully decried as a scandal and condemned.
>the UN isn't even *remotely* committed to freedom of speech
If that were true you would have had the secret police at your door already kid.
>>72602370
God approves of torture, rape and abuse, which are recognized evil. Your own passage says that, Therefore the christian God is an evil creature that approves the suffering and abuse of others, which is evil psychopaths do. perpetrate.
>>72603697
>If that were true you would have had the secret police at your door already kid.
The US had freedom of speech long before the UN did... especially considering the UN never had, and probably will never have, freedom of speech. I don't off hand know of any European countries for example that allow freedom of speech, perhaps you could let me know of a couple?
Just name, say... three western countries besides the US which have no laws against criticizing the government and have no laws against so called hate speech. I won't believe human rights are universal, though.
>>72603490
>both parties receive the same rights from it
You do. What are you complaining about exactly? That you can't rape your wife? That you can't leave your wife to starve after you've coerced her into not fending for herself?
>Yeah, I'm sure I got this here wife by my, uh, magical powers, and not because she wants to be with me
I'm happy for you and all but you're making this a personal thing when it's not. It's not about you. If a woman does not want to be or have sex with her husband, would you force her to just because "hurr but my wife likes me so you should like your shitty husband you hate too"? You attempted to justify rape before.
>I only talk about the law as it is
The law as it is is that you have to respect your wife's will, because she's a person who has the same rights and freedom as you.
>>72602214
No, it means that they shall not deny one another except by agreement. Period.
Agreement takes two. If one doesn't agree, it's not agreed upon.
>Do not deprive one another
Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in EVERYTHING to their husbands.
>>72603697
That was my first post; you're probably talking about someone else. Jesus literally said "but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." and Paul's quote "the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does." sounds like marriage is equal to me.
in a perfect marriage, rape would never happen because the wife would always have sex with the husband and vice versa.
If your wife is not willing to have sex with you on command (at reasonable circumstances of course), then it is a failed marriage.
>>72604091
>It's not about you.
Hence my point. Here I am talking about the laws pertaining to the genders and you can only use personal attacks and resorting to utterly wild scenarios about alimony only applying when the man forces the woman to quit and so forth.
>You attempted to justify rape before.
I did not. The jist is that its a fundamental failing on part of either partner if they can't sexually satisfy the other, and this is universally derided if the man cannot please the woman, and so it should be the same both ways.
>>72604126
1 Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, you wives, BE SUBMISSIVE to your own husbands so that EVEN IF ANY OF THEM ARE DISOBEDIENT TO THE WORD, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.
>>72596395
>Rape is an act involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent.
Rape as it was derived from old English common law, was theft of a woman's virtue.
Since a husband was the possesor of his wife's virtue, he could not technically commit the act of rape.
That's why they call it sexual assault.
>>72603634
>I said that I made it clear in my marriage vows that my wife was my possession
Your marriage vows mean nothing the moemnt she doesn't agree with you anymore because your wife is a person and not a lifeless object, so she enjoys the same rights as you still, if she ever changes her mind on you.
>Its very important to make sure you're on the same page.
Obviously. But if you're not, are you going to rape your wife because you think she's your possession?
>You'd think rapists would invent a way to rape women that doesn't require their consent first
Like claiming your wife is 100% your possessions therefore she can't reject you?
>>72603937
>I don't off hand know of any European countries for example that allow freedom of speech
You're pretty ignorant. Even ex-soviet nations have freedom of speech protected by the constitution.
>three western countries besides the US which have no laws against criticizing the government
Italy protects freedom of speech in its constitution and criticizing the government is a national sport
France protects freedom of speech and the news are full of its people protesting against goverment decisions on the street paralyzing the fucking nation
Switzerland, Sweden, the Netherlands, etc... all of the EU
>and have no laws against so called hate speech
Fighting words is a thing in the US too. Look it up. You gotta respect other people's freedom too.
>>72594782
you shouldn't be married to someone who you don't want have sex with. "I do" is consent
>>72604191
So spouses have to be dogs that have to bark at beck and call?
>>72604278
1 Timothy 2:9-15
likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all SUBMISSIVENESS. I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN TO teach or to EXERCISE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
>>72594782
don't over complicate it like the feminists, it's just consent. If she says no then you hold.her down and RAM your cock in her ass.. It's rape. married or not. I mean fuck you, an Arab or someshit?
>>72604530
I can't tell if you honestly don't understand what i'm trying to say, or if your'e just deliberately misinterpreting.
If you love your spouse, won't you willingly pleasure him/her if they desire it?
>>72594818
Spotted the mudslime
>>72604197
I used no personal attacks and the scenarios I used are quite common. Men do force and abuse women especially if they think they're 100% justified because they think their wife is their possession and can't reject them.
>I did not.
You did.
>The jist is that its a fundamental failing on part of either partner if they can't sexually satisfy the other
That's the case if they want to and can't. It's NOT the same case when they don't want to in the first place, because you can't force people to sex they don't want. That's called rape and sexual abuse.
>this is universally derided if the man cannot please the woman, and so it should be the same both ways
It already is, but women who want to please their husband and can't are extremely rare to be insignificant, while the number of women who don't want to have sex and end up raped is much higher.
>>72604668
If you don't feel like it, you don't have to and that doesn't dampen your love for the person.
You have a very draconian definition of what love is.
>>72594782
It's not possible, my wife fucks my ass all the time, and I scream and beg her not to, it wouldn't be so bad if her strap-on wasn't so big, but it really hurts. Nothing I can do, we're married, and therefor it's not rape.
Nope. Consent is given shen she says "I do." Sex is part of the marriage contract.
>>72604668
Because sometimes I'm not in the mood and if he loves me, he will respect that. A husband that does not respect his wife is not a loving husband. Why would I get married to someone who does not love his spouse?
>>72596395
this pic: the reality of polygamy
>>72604533
>>72604278
This is why christianity is shit, same as Islam.
>>72604746
>If you don't feel like it
this is what i'm talking about. It's all about the self nowadays. I don't feel like going to work today, so sorry wife, no money for lunch today.
But because I love my family, I wake up early to get to work and make as much as I can better my family's quality of life. Love is about looking past the "self" and do what pleases the spouse even if you don't feel like it. This love is much stronger than the one ur mentioning.
>>72604944
>It's all about the self nowadays
You don't lose your rights the second you get married you savage.
>>72604126
>>72604278
1 Corinthians 7:4
For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
Both spouses should submit to each other. That sounds like the definition of equal marriage to me.
>>72604533
This is the problem when you just take individual verses out of the Bible. This was in Paul's letter to Timothy. Nothing said by Jesus or God. Same could be said about the other verses, really.
>>72604983
I never said you lose your rights.
>>72604830
If your husband is not in the mood to work or take care of the kids, will you respect that too?
Of course not, because in marriage, you are bound to duty. duty to feed your family and protect the wife and children.
>>72604776
You are such a dumb moron. Pay attention to the laws of your own country you autistic piece of shit.
http://www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/publications/judgment-summaries/2012/hca21-2012-05-30.pdf
>>72604882
To be hated by fools means I am doing something right.
John 15:18-22
If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
if she doesn't want it & you force her, it's rape. doesn't matter a fuck if a court will convict you, you are a rapist.
>>72605128
There is nothing egalitarian in the Bible. Spare us your complementarian garbage. It's feminism with a different wrapping.
>>72605175
>If your husband is not in the mood to work or take care of the kids, will you respect that too?
Not chronically. A man who never works or takes care of his kids is not a desirable man because he puts all the burden on his spouse. That's what divorce is for.
Which is why when your wife always refuses to have sex with you, you simply get divorced for the good of both of you, you do not rape her like you want to do.
>>72605395
How is foolish not to want to be raped? You do know rape is evil right? Does your religion promote evil?
>>72605522
So not allowing women to be raped is feminism?
>>72605534
I mentioned in the beginning, perhaps not directly to you, that a wife who will not have sex with her husband when he wants it, is in a failed marriage. I guess you agree with me here. Although, hopefully, the two should never have married if they were so incompatible.
>>72605673
So what if the wife's just been through a tragic event, like her mother died, or her baby miscarriages, and doesn't want to have sex, is it still a failed marriage?
>>72594782
No. Unless your wife is a cunt.
>>72605628
>>72605640
A man cannot rape his wife. Teach women to submit.
>>72605768
refer to my previous post, where I said
>>72604191
>If your wife is not willing to have sex with you on command (at reasonable circumstances of course), then it is a failed marriage.
>at reasonable circumstances of course
>>72605859
So who decides what reasonable?
>>72605908
The husband.
>>72594782
Yes it is Abdul.
>>72605908
>>72605945
yes the husband, but please don't think that the husband will abuse his authority, as you would not have married him if you deemed him as unreasonable
>>72605768
Or what if the wife's tired or stressed and doesn't have the energy for sex?
A good husband would understand she needs his care, a bad husband would demand sex and be a source of more stress with his whining or worse, he'd become a rapist.
>a wife who will not have sex with her husband when he wants it, is in a failed marriage
If the rejection is chronic then yeah, that's a marriage that shouldn't be. That's why divorce is a thing. Doesn't make it automatically the woman's fault though.
>>72599433
>he fell for the heterosexual maymay
>>72594782
No your wife is your property so you can fuck her anytime you wish.
>>72606046
>hat's why divorce is a thing. Doesn't make it automatically the woman's fault though.
do you wonder why the divorce rate is so high nowadays? why women are more unhappy nowadays then back in the past? It is because people have become selfish, and not willing to sacrifice. to suffer to please their spouse. Instead of working things out, people take the easy option. Let's divorce. Let's abort our child. so on and so forth.
>>72606026
>>72605945
But that will lead to abuse of authority. Also it is unfair toward the wife since it is exclusively her who has to suffer the bad consequences of her husband's decisions, especially if he is not willing to respect her opinion on herself and her feelings, which are entirely subjective to her. You deprive her of her means to protect herself. It does open the way to rape and abuse, hence it's unacceptable.
>you would not have married him if you deemed him as unreasonable
Forced marriages go hand in hand with spousal rape.
>>72605522
>nothing egalitarian
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
>>72606216
>why women are more unhappy
Please drop that meme crap.
>not willing to sacrifice. to suffer to please their spouse
Sounds pretty retarded to me. Also in the past women didn't have a choice, since they were subjected to violence and abuse if they rejected the choice imposed on them. Don't be mad now because they can safely make a choice instead.
>>72606391
>implying men want to play games after they get married
No god no the mind games are very irksome its better to let a man rape his woman anytime in a private area instead to avoid the bullshit mind games your wife plays on you all the time.
>>72606298
And even the old testament.
Genesis 5:1-2
This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.
>>72606479
People like you thinking like that is why people prefer not to get married, you make marriage nothing but rape and abuse.
>>72606391
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html
you decide if this is true or not
in the past maybe. Nowadays, not the same. Today, it is men that sacrifice and risk everything. No surprise that marriage rate are decreasing.
>>72606507
>>72606298
That's irrelevant when you think women should be abused and raped by their husbands.
>>72606587
Women are fucked in the head they like rape and abuse treat them like a good little pussy whipped lover boy and enjoyed getting cucked.
A man should be allowed to rape his woman anytime he wants in his home no matter what, who gives a shit what the woman wants women arent logical so you shouldnt give a damn when they want to fuck you because its inconsistent.
>>72594782
Yes, because rape is a social construct and after the dismantle there will be no rapes.
>>72606647
Not everyone from America believes the same thing. You're talking to more than one person.
>>72594782
No, a husband should be reasonable though, and is he is forcing her to have sex when she is genuinely quite ill, or other rare occasions, then that is extremely poor conduct on his behalf.
Even today many women will put out even when not in the mood, they all know it, get they still make out like marital rape is a big deal
>>72606641
Can't speak for everyone obviously but it's not true for me and my lady coworkers.
>in the past maybe. Nowadays, not the same
And that's thanks to the fact that husbands cannot rape wives and must respect them and their will as their wives are people too and enjoy the same right and freedom not to be raped, abused, or subjected to unwanted violence.
>Today, it is men that sacrifice and risk everything
BS.
>No surprise that marriage rate are decreasing.
That's because people like you still want marriage to be an excuse for rape and abuse. No one sane wants to be married to an abuser or rapist.
>>72606787
If you want sex and your wife doesn't, would you force her, resorting to violence and inflincting pain and mental/physical damage on her, or would you back off and leave her alone?
>>72606890
>BS
men lose on alimony
men lose on child custody
the list goes on
>people like you still want marriage to be an excuse for rape and abuse
sounds like feminist speak thinking there is rape culture
Decrease in marriage rate is caused by destruction of nuclear family by welfare, and men getting bad deals out of marriage and divorce, and moral decline
>>72607130
>men lose on alimony
>men lose on child custody
Blame it on men being prone to be pedophiles and men wanting their wife to be a stay at home housewife without the means to support herself when the marriage goes south. If you don't want to pay alimony, encourage your wife to work and support herself so that the court can't demand much money from you.
>Decrease in marriage rate is caused by destruction of nuclear family by welfare
Nations that have no welfare still experience a huge decrease in marriage, because marriage is objectively shit slanted in favor of abusers and rapist who think they're owed sex in the mind of people.
>men getting bad deals out of marriage and divorce
Not being allowed to rape your wife is not a bad deal, rapist. It's basic respect. You do deserve to die alone.
>moral decline
Says the wannabe rapist.
>>72607126
No, and no real Christian thinks using violence except in order to stop someone from harming another is justified. Turn the other cheek and what not.
>>72607408
Doesn't stop christian husbands from resorting rto violence in order to rape the wife, when they only follow their religion and not human rights.
>>72606298
>>72606507
Salvation from sin is not equality on earth. You deny the rest of what is explicitly stated in the Bible. You also neglect to mention that the woman was made as a HELPMEET for Adam, not his equal.
>>72607407
You are crazy thinking everyone are rapists. Truth is that men generally work jobs that pay more than women, and that women generally do not marry men that makes less than them. This is why alimony is unfair. If you think marriage is in the favor of men, then I have no words to say Maybe it is in the favor of men in bulgaria, I don't know. In USA, women gets everything in the marriage.
>>72607407
>without the means to support herself when the marriage goes south.
If a woman offers nothing to the marriage financially, why should she get anything?
Literal cuck.
>>72607694
Technically the first woman (Lilith) was made equal, but Adam being a little piece of shit starting whining about it because being equal she would not submit, so she got fed up with him and left. Which of course made bitter miserable betas depict her as an evil demoness and whatnot, blah blah blah crap crap crap.
>>72607658
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
1 Peter 3:7
Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
>>72607694
You obviously don't know what that word is, especially in Hebrew. It specifically said that Eve was a helper suitable for Adam, just like Jesus was to man. Help meet is Eve compliments Adam. The things Adam can't do Eve does, and vice versa.
>>72607853
>If a woman offers nothing to the marriage financially, why should she get anything?
Because usually it is men who want a wife who does not work, muh traditional marriage and all that crap. Why would you punish your wife when she has done exactly as you wanted when you don't want to be with her anymore? That is unfair and unjust towards her.
>>72607807
>Truth is that men generally work jobs that pay more than women
So the wage gap is real?
>This is why alimony is unfair
Alimony is calculated on many factors among which the ability of each spouse to support themselves. If your traditional marriage fails, you are expected to pay alimony more.
>If you think marriage is in the favor of men
The people ITT sure think it is, claiming they have the right to rape their wife with bullshit justifications like religion and shit.
>>72608181
Jesus is not a helper to man. Jesus is the KING OF KINGS. There are none equal to Him. The husband is like Christ is to the church. The husband is the lord of the family.
You are a fool the same as the shitposting Bulgarian.
>>72608181
That's nice and all but really irrelevant to the discussion. God doesn't matter here, I don't care for god and religion.
>>72608325
>The husband is the lord of the family.
And this is why nobody wants to get married anymore.
>>72608255
wage gap exists yes., but it is not because of discrimination, but because women choose jobs that pay less and have different work habits.
>Alimony is calculated on many factors among which the ability of each spouse to support themselves.
Yes, which is why marriage is in favor of the women (generally makes more than women)
>>72605832
allah wills it
>>72608478
Eat some more grass, Tojo.
>>72608448
>wage gap exists yes., but it is not because of discrimination
Wage gap is between who people who do the exact same job, same tasks, same level, same responsibility but one gets paid more for no reason.
>Yes, which is why marriage is in favor of the women
Not really. If your spouse can support herself you aren't expected to pay alimony. Of course if you wanted a wife that doesn't work and has been out of the job market for years for you, do expect to pay alimony, the job market is tougher and tougher to reenter the older you get and you should repay the sacrifice she made for you.
>>72608633
different work habits, men work more hours and also work more flexible work hours, and they don't have maternity leaves
>do expect to pay alimony
the issue is that alimony is generally too much for the husband to pay, property are then seized. It's a lose lose situation for the husband.
>>72608325
I literally do not want to list the hundred times it says Jesus is our helper, just have two.
Psalm 33:20
Our soul waits for the Lord;
he is our help and our shield.
Psalm 70:5
But I am poor and needy;
hasten to me, O God!
You are my help and my deliverer;
O Lord, do not delay!
>>72608388
The point was some were using religion as an excuse for rape.
>>72594846
The other 50% belongs to Jamal at the bar.
Is everyone in bulgaria this much of a cucked faggot?
>>72594782
Has Sofia ever done porn?
>>72608887
>men work more hours
Not in Europe. Also bonuses aren't part of the average salary, that's why they're called bonuses.
>work more flexible work hours
That's false, it is women who work more flexible work hours.
>they don't have maternity leaves
They have paternity leaves.
>the issue is that alimony is generally too much for the husband to pay, property are then seized
That's not how it works in Europe. America should dump religion crap and sort itself like Europe did, Fucking Bulgaria is more advanced than you without being a rapist women's rights-denying shithole.
>>72608940
>The point was some were using religion as an excuse for rape.
That's what happens with all abrahamic religions because they tend to contradict themselves, that's why Europe has abandoned christianity.
>>72594782
You can't rape your wife.
>>72608940
He is our LORD and SAVIOR. He is not our equal. We are beneath him. Submissive to Him. Obedient to him. The church is the bride of Christ. We are HIS helpers, not vice versa.
The husband is both the lord and savior of the family. This is why children from broken homes are also broken themselves.
You are a fool and twisting scripture to play to the feminist imperative.
>>72595135
You can divorce without any loss if your partner refuse to have sex with you.
>>72609194
You can make anything contradict itself when you just look one sentence at a time, or cut them off at certain parts. That's why context and knowing what people are talking about and who is saying it is important. The bible isn't just one person writing form his perspective.
>>72609240
Jesus isn't our equal, but he is still our helper. That's what you don't seem to get, you can help someone without being their slave, in fact a master can help his slave. I'm not making the bible feminist, even though some passages (though none I posted) do give women special notice. But some also do the same for men. The point is the bible sees man and women as complementary. It's symbiotic.
>>72609893
>complementary
And this is why you are a heretic and fool. You ignore the obvious symbolism of what I just said. You are why nobody goes to church. You are the definition of a cuck.
>>72610038
Cuck? The bible clearly states adultery is wrong. And you are just lustful, which Jesus says is equal to adultery. So by definition, if you just want to rape women, many who have been having sex with other men, then you are the cuck. Sex is about love, not lust.
>>72598583
This
yeah it can obviously be rape, if she says no then its rape why would marriage change that
>>72594782
Of course it is. Rape is when you penetrate another human being who does not want to penetrate using violence, that's possible even in marriage
>>72611239
>only mentions violence
>>72594846
>>"When he pleases"
>>Not "when she begs you"
Cuck supreme over here..
>>72596395
you can break a contract any time you want, otherwise it's not a contrac but something else
And being married doesn't imply full sexual availability, in fact, if you get marry you're gonna fuck less and will have to deal with it
>>72611804
yeah its interesting how horny are these fucking degenerate pieces of shit even I can go long periods just jerking myself off and not having to bother anyone fuck these cancerous entitled apes
