What the fuck is wrong with people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCUjZzuMQq8
>>72551895
It's the left, what did you expect?
>posts anime pic
This board is full of pedophiles though, who defend pedophiles fucking and enslaving underage girls.
>>72551895
idk op... I think he's British.
pee-dough-file. fucking brits
The cultural marxist agenda is to destroy western culture so we willingly bow down to their facism. Fighting for pedo rights is their next step after they make it acceptable for men to rape your daughters in the women's restroom. You better hand over your wife and daughter to the refuges and niggers for rape time, or you're a bigot.
>>72551895
>acting like the alt right doesn't masturbate to underage anime girls
really dishonest of him desu senpai
>>72552717
Key difference is that it's fake. It's not real.
>>72552790
And here we see the first defender of pedos come out for the thread, that didn't take long.
>>72551895
>Liberals become more tolerant
>they demand to lower the age of consent
>I can know be a pimp with underage girls and buy them dolls n Candy instead of expensive shit
>dont have to pay them that much
>Femen ok with it since it liberating for females
free market i guess?
>>72551895
Remember, the slippery slope doesn't real :^)
I just think idiots should stop persecuting hentai/pornograpic art just because it triggers their butthurt, even if it's degenerate as fuck
yfw govs preserve 2d lolis rights
Fuck, I'm on the wrong side
it doesn't appear liberals will be able to win this battle tho
>>72552884
>some fag that comes from reddit doesn't understand what's real and what's fake
>>72551895
Last days of Rome: Everybody understands this, but nobody knows how to react to it.
>>72553258
DELETE THIS
>/pol/ hates pedophiles now
What happened?
>>72553282
And to think your ancestors were pillaging and colonizing South America, spreading their genes and spreading their culture while you sit there and jerk to nip cartoons.
Shameful.
Can I say behead people is my sexual orientation to make it acceptable?
>>72553330
>some pedo trying his hardest to normalize his perversions
kill yourself, the world will be a better place.
>>72553629
>Quzilax
Nice. You're a faggot for not using ExH, though.
>>72553665
>Implying you're any different
>>72553676
The left will say it's acceptable as long as you're brown.
>>72553804
I never got around to fixing the panda. I know it's not hard but I don't read enough hentai to get around to it.
>>72553844
I don't jerk off to gook shows, sorry.
>>72551895
>PEADOPHILES!
>>72553676
Only in your designated state funded and supplied Sharia zone. It's your own personal paradise where you get the both of both worlds, the gifted goodies and luxuries of the west, and your barbaric practices of the east.
Pretty soon they'll make it so all you need to do is drag any girl across the zone line and she's your property hence forth.
>>72553751
>I literally don't know what the hell is real and fake
Are you insane?
>>72553926
And what have you done to spread your culture?
I completely get their argument, but I don't interpret it the same way. I have made it many times. No one ever comes with a decent rebuttal.
Homophelia is a sexual orientation towards the same gender.
Pedophelia is a sexual orientation towards little kids.
Where do we draw the line and say "That's it, no further!"? A hundred, or even fifty years ago the majority of the western world would have said that the line should be drawn before homosexuality. Yet, as time passed somehow it became accepted and everyone who was against it is seen in a negative light.
Now it's transsexuality's time. Another act of sexual degeneracy that "normal" people twenty years ago wouldn't have even thought of. It's already well on its way to get accepted everywhere, and if you don't accept it, you're a transphobe and again, seen in a negative light.
What's next? What are SJW's going to be on the barricades for next? This won't be the end, because they'll always need something to fight for.
Should we have stopped this before it began and just never have legalized buggery?
>>72554059
The left are now propedo.
Gotta contrarian m8.
isnt this website full of pedophiles, at least on /b/?
legalize pedophilia 2016
>>72554137
TL;DR
If you are against pedophelia, I'm calling you out to be a hypocrite if you support homophelia. Nothing wrong with that, lots of people are hypocrites. Just know that you are one.
>>72554137
The only solution is to roll it back to marriage = 1 man and 1 woman. If we ever make it back to that, we can't ever let our guard down again.
>>72554059
4chan defended pedos because it was convenient. They jerked off to little girls and anime lolis so they took the pro-pedo side. It was never about ideology, they were just being dindus.
>>72551895
Most pedophiles are victims of abuse themselves. Its a vicious circle, most of them end up hating themselves for the rest of their lives.
>>72552304
peetah file
>>72554059
normies happens.
>>72551895
Faggots are already like this, soon pedos will get the same treatment
>>72553665
I don't have any interest in 2d porn, but I have something clear you don't, it's none of your fucking bussiness
If you wan't to shame thes weabos go ahead but keep yout totalitarian/sociopath trigger in touch
>>72554137
I brought this same argument up in a college debate and got silenced by my prof because the faggot cuck supporter was left wordless
Is Paul Joseph Watson redpilled?
>>72554100
>It's not really gay if I'm only fantasizing about sex with men instead of having real sex with them
>It's not really pedo if I'm only fantasizing about sex with little girls instead of having real sex with them
That isn't how that real vs fake thing works friend, you're a legitimate danger to those around you.
I'm a lolicon and I'd never endorse pedophilia. What the fuck.
>>72555086
R A R E
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>>72555104
If you commit the fucking act then you're a pedo. If it's 3D then you're a pedo. Holy shit, what southern shithole state are you from if you can't get that through your head?
>>72555181
You are a pedophile though. You masturbate to drawings of little girls.
>>72555274
Yeah, I am. I don't defend it as something not to be ashamed of or do anything more than fap.
>>72551895
>What the fuck is wrong with leftists?
FTFY, my burger friend.
>>72551895
Friendly reminder that Homura did NOTHING wrong.
>>72555086
It's a fact that most offenders were molested themselves. Whether their victims go on to offend I cannot say. I don't believe they do in general, that wouldn't mean they don't have those thoughts though even if they do not act on them.
>>72555261
>If you commit the fucking act then you're a pedo.
Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent children. What you're thinking of is a "child rapist"
>>72555346
Makes sense.
>>72555261
If you have any sexual contact with a child, you're a molester, on top of being a pedophile. If it's 2d, you're a lolicon. if it's pictures of actual children, you're a pedophile. If you can't get THIS through you're head, you're mentally handicapped.
>shithole state
>UK
Dumbfuck.
>>72552033
Back to >>>/v/
>>72555550
All sex with those who cannot consent is rape.
>>72555522
If you masturbate to little girls you're a pedophile.
What difference does it make if the little girls you're fapping to are 3D, 2D, real, photographs, written descriptions or pure fantasy?
2D lolis are free speech. 3D girls are people.
Know the difference.
>>72555522
This so much
>>72555705
Well if you're fapping to 3D, someone had to have suffered to make that.
>>72555522
I think were all in agreement you fucking leaf.
>He can't see the flag
Shithead kike, look at the redditor flag again.
>>72555752
And if you like either you're legitimately a pedo.
>>72555104
>Sometimes I fantasise about stabbing my asshole boss
>Never actually does it
>Live acting as a well functioning stable human being
>Sometimes I fantasise about stabbing my asshole boss
>Stabs boss
>Get branded a murderer and sent to prison
There is a fine flaw in your logic there.
People fantasise about a whole lot of things, and while you can argue whether it makes you likely to be gay, or prone to murder, it does not actually make you a gay man or a murderer until you commit the act. This is how our legal system works. So long as you don't do the act you cannot be tried for it.
Of course, that's only up until the leftists establish wrongthink and thought crimes as a thing.
>>72555840
What does that have to do with lolicons not being pedophiles? If you are masturbating to pornography involving children you are almost certainly attracted to them, making you a pedo.
>>72555705
The difference, is that drawings are fantasies, and harm no one, whereas pictures of real children are pictures of real children, and are criminal.
>>72555852
I guess I've got brain broblems
>>72555985
Because anon, it's not real. The pictures, the drawings aren't real. If you think it's real then you have a fucking problem.
>>72555985
Drawings don't involve children, though.
>>72555985
Well yes, either way you're a paedo. But I think real CP is more dangerous.
>>72551895
You act like leftists defending pedophiles is a bad thing.
Such extreme behavior should only ever be encouraged. The crazier they feel comfortable being the even more rabidly crazy they will get and the more bizarre and isolated from mainstream society.
This is the weakness of the whole movement. It's the same idea as capitalism, only instead of constant growth they require constant increases in victimhood, ever more victims for their altar of victimness, this of course necessarily isolates them and causes them to become a niche fringe movement once everyone who was once a victim is too mainstream (gays and such). But society at large will never accept tranny pedophiles.
After pedophilia is bestiality is the crazy train keeps running.
I think it will start with children more and more being able to make their own decisions and then it's their right to get fucked by dirty old men (or women).
After that animal rights.
I really hope we squash all that shit before that, because if not, it will over here too.
They've tried here a few times, but anything too ridiculous gets squashed. Not sure how much longer we can hold out.
The blowback will be huge to all this crazy sex, pick your gender bullshit. Huge.
>>72556073
>Because anon, it's not real. The pictures, the drawings aren't real.
Your point? You are still fapping to depictions of children.
>If you think it's real then you have a fucking problem.
I don't think they're real, but whether they're real or not is irrelevant.
Would you try arguing that someone who faps exclusively to 2D yaoi isn't gay?
>>72556100
It's just how it is. If you fap to children you're a pedo.
>>72555914
That's a shit comparison and here's why: a "murderer" is one who commits murder. The commission of murder is what defines you as one. Somebody who likes the idea of murder isn't a murderer.
Meanwhile, a "pedophile" is one who is attracted to little girls. You're a pedo for feeling attracted to them, no action on your part required. Fantasizing about little girls and jerking it to that fantasy is more than enough to earn the label and all the derision that goes with it.
>>72556074
Hello again Ukraine pedo.
>>72552178
but that's because ideally women will be subordinate to men, and bred early
>>72555914
Murder is an action that REQUIRES a victim.
Sexual preferences like pedophilia or homosexuality are passive attractions that don't even need to involve real humans.
>>72556216
>You are still fapping to depictions of children.
Keyword is depictions, it's not real, why the hell would anyone diddle children?
>Would you try arguing that someone who faps exclusively to 2D yaoi isn't gay?
I would argue that they have shit taste and need to fucking broaden there horizon and stop acting like a fugoshit.
>>72552305
>so we willingly bow down to their facism
"So we willingly bow down to their degeneracy."
FTFY
>>72556377
They're two different things you dumb cunt.
Pederasts are ones who molest little kids.
Pedophiles are attracted to little kids, that's what you are, and you should still kill yourself so you don't turn into the other.
>>72556377
If you jerk off to depictions of sexualized children, chances are you want to do it IRL.
its to normalize the upcoming shariah law that will hit europe first then america
>>72556473
>Pedophiles are attracted to little kids, that's what you are, and you should still kill yourself so you don't turn into the other.
Who the hell gets off to little kids?
>>72555840
Depends what you mean by 3D.
Also, if you watch actual child porn then yes, some kid had to suffer for the material to be produced.
Not like you care about the well being of children with all the tobacco, coca, tea etc. that you buy being made with child labour.
Also, while I agree that the production of the material, just as performing an act can be clearly states as wrong and jail-worthy, whether you watch it or not does not have a tangible effect on the victim any more.
The only tangible effect is that god kills a kitten, apparently. But to the person who suffered abuse it doesn't make a squat of a difference whether 1000 horny men later fap to that material.
Unless of course they later get to meet these people and discuss that, or end up finding those vids online. Reopening of old wounds can be considered harmful. Sure.
But again, as long as they don't know or see any more of it then the memory of their abuse is still all the have to deal with.
So if your argument was !don't spread CP online cause the victims may end up seeing it again and that would increase their suffering" then I'd be willing to accept that argument.
But suffering that isn't realised is not real suffering until it becomes realised.
>>72556224
You forgot a step. You have to want to let everyone know that you're attracted to them as well.
If you had a predilection for little ones, but never acted on it and never told anyone, you'd never be labeled a pedo.
Your desire is so strong you just can't shut the fuck up about it? Well then you're a pedo friend.
Simple
>>72556082
>Drawings don't involve children
Then why are there so many doujins that depict girls who not only look and act underaged but are canon children?
>>72556377
>Keyword is depictions, it's not real, why the hell would anyone diddle children?
Molesting children isn't relevant. We're arguing whether or not you're a pedophile if you fap to 2D. If you are fapping to little girls you're a pedo, it's just that simple. It doesn't matter if they're real, fake, or right in front of you. You are fapping to children.
Go try telling your family members you fap to anime children and see what their response is. You won't do it however because you know what you're doing is pedophilic. Stop pretending it's not and you'll feel a lot better about yourself.
>I would argue that they have shit taste and need to fucking broaden there horizon and stop acting like a fugoshit.
You're dodging the question. Is someone who faps exclusively to drawings of gay men gay or not?
>>72556633
Except the ones jacking off to it are certainly taking action and get to be hunted down like the animals they are.
>>72556224
>>72556319
Yeah ok, I'll give you that. But then you do also agree that fapping to CP does not make one a child molester, I assume.
But then, why is it wrong to be attracted to something, when you can't really choose much about what turns you on?
The discussion should be about child abuse, surely.
>>72556581
Paedophiles. That's the definition.
>>72556586
It depends. If I were someone producing that content and nobody were looking at it, I wouldn't upload it any more. I think accessing CP would encourage its production.
>>72556740
>But then you do also agree that fapping to CP does not make one a child molester, I assume.
Why would anyone argue against that?
>But then, why is it wrong to be attracted to something, when you can't really choose much about what turns you on?
No one said it was wrong. It's just objectively wrong to say fapping to drawn anime children somehow doesn't make you a pedophile.
>The discussion should be about child abuse, surely.
I don't see how.
>>72556740
It makes you an accessory rather than a principal actor. You're just as guilty of molestation.
>>72556707
>Go try telling your family members you fap to anime children and see what their response is. You won't do it however because you know what you're doing is pedophilic. Stop pretending it's not and you'll feel a lot better about yourself..
Why would you tell anyone what you jerk off to? That's degenerate and wrong.
>You're dodging the question. Is someone who faps exclusively to drawings of gay men gay or not?
If they're jerking off to only gay shit, then yeah. Again broaden the horizon.
>>72556707
>Then why are there so many doujins that depict girls who not only look and act underaged but are canon children?
Drawings. No children involved.
>>72552033
>2D
>Pedo
Reddit proves once again that they are unable to discern fantasy from reality.
>>72553629
What's this called?
What kind of nation were we building over there?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/green-beret-afghan-police-confrontation/index.html
>>72557278
What the name of this?
>>72556938
I do not get this logic.
Accessory:
1. a subordinate or supplementary part, object, or the like, used mainly for convenience, attractiveness, safety, etc., as a spotlight on an automobile or a lens cover on a camera.
2. an article or set of articles of dress, as gloves, earrings, or a scarf, that adds completeness, convenience, attractiveness, etc., to one's basic outfit.
3. Law.
Also called accessory before the fact. a person who, though not present during the commission of a felony, is guilty of having aided and abetted another, who committed the felony.
Also called accessory after the fact. a person who knowingly conceals or assists another who has committed a felony.
>1. object
I'm not.
>2. dress
I'm not.
>3. aided and abetted another
I don't see how. unless I pay for the material.
>4. knowingly conceals or assists another
If I can't see anyone's faces the vid and cannot possibly tell you who is behind it then can I really conceal anything?
>>72557278
>>72556754
>I think accessing CP would encourage its production.
Explain how seeing cp on /b/ at 4am is encouraging production.
cp is disgusting and wrong, but silently downloading something does not encourage production.
Why don't we bring back the rope for pedophiles?
>>72557292
Jacking off to drawings of penises would make you gay too, weird how that works, right?
That used to be the normal opinion on 4chan though
>>72557587
I think it depends on how it's accessed too. Again, if there weren't people on /b/ who wanted to see it there wouldn't be people posting it.
>>72557527
>>72557487
I know it's just shit you found posted somewhere but posting shit like that probably gets you on a whole bunch of lists.
And those are not lists you want to be on.
>>72557451
CP takes rather special precedent I think, it's considered sort of a continuation of the crime in a way iirc. I think they tend to grab people with basically thousands of images or video usually though, at least that's generally when it makes the news, probably just added onto whatever other charges they happened to be arresting the people for, at least so I guess.
>>72557151
>Why would you tell anyone what you jerk off to? That's degenerate and wrong.
I'm not the one who is defending masturbating to 2D little girls as not being pedo. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
>If they're jerking off to only gay shit, then yeah. Again broaden the horizon.
Lolicons are masturbating to pedo shit.
>>72557292
Since when did being a pedophile require real children?
>>72554369
>There's a clear distinction between the two though so there's no hypocracy whatsoever.
>>72557636
Some consider death cruel and unusual, the latter of which makes no sense, the former is debatable.
>>72557860
>I'm not the one who is defending masturbating to 2D little girls as not being pedo. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
I know, because 2D is 2D and not 3D, if it's 3D then it's a problem.
>Lolicons are masturbating to pedo shit.
Only lolis?
>>72557748
That's not a full argument there, anon.
Sure ease of access can promote taking something up, like easy access to smokes may increase the chances you start smoking.
But keeping smokes from kids who want them has been proven, time and time again, to have only a very limited effect.
Also, the fact that something is posted somewhere does not always indicate that the receivers want to see it. It can be done for exactly the opposite reasons.
pic very related.
>>72557527
Oh fuck off.
>Drawings of kids having sex
Indulge in my strawman, is committing an act of violence in a video game the same as actual violence in the real world?
>>72557712
Not even a fair comparison but i'll play along. If fapping to 2D makes me a pedo, so be it. But you can't honestly put it on the same level of criminality as fapping to real children. There shouldn't be fucking laws defending the rights of squiggles and lines, nobody is getting harmed in this industry. Real girls are harmed in the making of CP, though.
>>72558051
>Also, the fact that something is posted somewhere does not always indicate that the receivers want to see it. It can be done for exactly the opposite reasons.
On /b/ with its frequent loli threads I think there are many who'd enjoy it.
>he doesn't want to give his young daughters a head start on their BBC addiction
what are you, some sort of degenerate?
>>72554345
Yes, but if the leftists support it 4chan will be against it. Because 4chan is nothing but contrarian board. Same happened with the pro-Christianity stuff. If anime little girls become too mainstram 4chan will start hating them.
>>72556707
>Go try telling your family members you fap to anime children and see what their response is.
They've seen my loli posters, that's good enough.
>>72557823
>CP takes rather special precedent I think, it's considered sort of a continuation of the crime in a way iirc.
I figure it is.
My point is, why?
As I stated, there is no real argument other than "muh CP so evil". And I cannot think of any other media that would be treated the same.
>>72558086
>Indulge in my strawman, is committing an act of violence in a video game the same as actual violence in the real world?
Violence in the real world REQUIRES a victim. It is impossible to injure or murder someone without actually doing it.
You can fap to a little girl, a drawing of a little girl, a photo of a little girl, etc. and you still have done nothing to the little girl. You don't even need to ever have contact with her to do it.
You have trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality
>>72551895
We need death squads and we need them NOW
>>72557748
>Again, if there weren't people on /b/ who wanted to see it there wouldn't be people posting it.
whats your logic for anyone there wanting to see it? how do you KNOW that's the case that the person posting even cares? everyone doing this shit has their own twisted motivations.
>>72557823
i've seen news articles of people getting arrested for "dozens" of cp pics. not hundreds or thousands, but a handful of pics.
dont you think that compared to going out and tracking down people hurting children irl, these cases are a total unabashed waste of resources?
>>72553629
It became edgy to not support pedophilia.
Well, I'm glad you've all done such a wonderful job of showing that the alt-right is just as bad about defending pedophilia and wanting to normalize it.
They'll be celebrated in a couple more years at this rate. I look forward to the parades.
>>72558196
You can assume that and I wouldn't argue much about the validity.
But we're not talking about specifically /b/ here. We're talking in general. Unless I missed something.
In which case this assumption is correct only a fraction of times. And you cannot even determine it from the way people respond to it, cause they can always fake outrage and save the pic anyway.
>>72558298
>My point is, why?
Because the main source of trauma after the fact is the knowledge that the material is out their for people to see. there are tons of victims who've said they still feel sick every day knowing people out there are looking at them being abused.
look at it this way, let's say you drop your spaghetti in front of a girl. pretty embarrassing huh? well now there's a video of it up on youtube.
except it's not just a youtube video of you doing something mildly embarrassing, its a video of you being raped by your own father that countless creeps are now masturbating to.
>>72558283
>go back downstairs to your room, anon.
>>72558615
Nigga I live on the top floor, out of my parent's house.
>>72558317
There IS no victim in 2D. These are drawings commissioned for and by sad losers like me.
There ARE (potential) victims in 3D. Do you think that these little girls willingly commit to these acts? You're not the perpetrator, but you are by extension supporting the same industry that might have harmed her.
It's totally different, my man. I don't mind people fapping to either but you have to see the difference.
>>72551895
Because liberals are addicted to activism and like an addict they will keep looking for new highs even if it means they descend fully into the embrace of Slaanesh
>>72558799
>Do you think that these little girls willingly commit to these acts?
I take it you've never seen most cp.
cp is disgusting and abusive, but yes most girls in them are actually willfully engaging, because for them they do not yet understand whats going on and the consequences that it has, from their perspective its just a game.
>>72558799
>There IS no victim in 2D.
Exactly. Which is why your comparison to murder is complete shit.
>There ARE (potential) victims in 3D. Do you think that these little girls willingly commit to these acts? You're not the perpetrator, but you are by extension supporting the same industry that might have harmed her.
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about if fapping to 2D makes you a pedo. If you're fapping to children, you're almost certainly a pedo. Doesn't matter if they're real or fake children, you're still fapping to children in the end.
>It's totally different, my man. I don't mind people fapping to either but you have to see the difference.
The difference doesn't matter to whether or not it's pedo.
>>72558978
You're right, I haven't.
>cp is disgusting and abusive, but yes most girls in them are actually willfully engaging
Ding ding ding.
That 1 in a million chance that SOMEONE gets harmed is enough to flag the entire industry.
Nobody is harmed when a fat nerd in Japan draws a fucking comic, and therein lies the difference in my eyes.
>>72558336
I don't really go looking for such articles, probably why I only ever see the ones that catch people with thousands. I would guess they try to track as many as possible and sweep them all up in raids around the same time so they don't particularly care if each person has dozens or hundreds. I would think tracking them online doesn't take too many resources, dunno how worried they are about the arrests being violent like drug raids and shit.
>>72558600
>Because the main source of trauma after the fact is the knowledge that the material is out their for people to see. there are tons of victims who've said they still feel sick every day knowing people out there are looking at them being abused.
Ok. Some questions then.
Are they disgusted that there ARE people watching them get abused? Or are they disgusted that there MIGHT be people out there that are watching them get abused?
I assume they do not go out of their way to try and find such vids.
So if you told them that there are no copies of the material on the net and it no longer exists would they be able to suffer less believing that?
If so, why don't we do that to help them?
If being told such things is not enough and they would still feel disgusted about the thought of it, should we really care whether people are watching it or not? If the person is going to suffer from "thinking about people seeing it" anyway, then what's the point of preventing people from seeing it?
Also, you example is flawed. In the spaghetti case it's not as much the girl you fucked up with, nor even the video that is most harmful imho. It's the social trauma as people who know you will use it to mock and deride you for it.
I'm not going to assume that there are no cases of sex abuse victims being approached by people who watched vids with them being abused and mocked them for it, thus hurting them. But I would have to assume that doesn't really happen often, if at all.
So then the trauma you speak of is something the victim will suffer through anyway, and whether people watch it or not won't make a difference, will it?
>>72558799
>sad losers
>there are people that think liking something makes you a loser
>>72559348
>sad losers like me
>LIKE ME
>>72558978
>I take it you've never seen most cp.
>say you haven't and invalidate your argument
>say you have and be put on an FBI watchlist
Well played sir.
>>72559450
Sorry, are you not saying that everyone that likes loli is a sad loser, or are you saying there's people who like it that aren't sad losers, and people that are?
>>72558978
>ecause for them they do not yet understand whats going on and the consequences that it has
What consequence would there be?
I don't think they would give any shit that pictures of them in their youth being naked is available online. It's most likely not able to trace it back to her once she ages, and even if it is no one would give a shit or be able to do anything with that. "Hey look guys i found porn of Christine when she was 7 years old!"
Really, when a child has a sexual intercourse, he will not give a shit once he realise what he did. Unless there has been a trauma, penetration, or the guy they had sex with had an STD, there is no harm in it. Though it still should not be allowed because that's just taking a child's innocence to your advantage and that is highly disgusting.
>>72559450
It still applies loser.
>>72559140
>If you're fapping to children, you're almost certainly a pedo.
Cartoons. You agreed with me, there's no victim here. Because they're not real.
Once again, can't discern fantasy from reality.
>>72559565
it's a great trick, but he has to go on the list himself to use it.
>>72559566
Self-deprecation on my part, mostly. There's nothing glamorous about drawing lolicon or hentai to begin with, though.
>>72559827
mods
>>72559827
How about no.
>>72559577
I am aware, thanks loser.
>>72559709
I think he is on quite a few lists already, anon.
>>72559873
I'm not saying there is, but there's no need to self deprecate either. It's just something you like, there's no need to be ashamed if it's not criminal, at least. Which it isn't.
abandon thread
>>72559999
Let me just check those out.
>post the best loli doujin
>>72559299
>So if you told them that there are no copies of the material on the net and it no longer exists would they be able to suffer less believing that?
If so, why don't we do that to help them?
Because you both know that's a total lie. But yes therapy is basically about that, about just getting over it. There's nothing else to do but get over it.
The point is it's all but concrete fact that yes their shit is out there getting looked at and jacked off to, and that makes it way harder to get over it.
Have you yourself never had the thought "gee i hope no one saw me totally beef it"? Imagine that feeling, but that it totally consumes you.
>If the person is going to suffer from "thinking about people seeing it" anyway, then what's the point of preventing people from seeing it?
That's pretty sociopathic reasoning anon. you either 'get it' or you dont. if you cheat on your wife and no one ever finds out, did you do a bad thing?
>It's the social trauma as people who know you will use it to mock and deride you for it.
kind of like the trauma of living every day wondering if the person you passed by on the sidewalk goes home and masturbates to you being raped.
>So then the trauma you speak of is something the victim will suffer through anyway, and whether people watch it or not won't make a difference, will it?
It all boils down to not participating in something that causes harm whether or not your participation ever actually causes harm. a victim of cp wants you to not view their abuse, that should be enough reason for you to not view it whether or not they actually know.
>>72551895
The next step in the frankfurt plan.
>>72560252
>Hey it's just instagram stuff.
I don't want a link!
>>72552305
*tips tinfoil hat*
>>72559649
Cartoons depicting children. You could have chose cartoon horses, cartoon men, cartoon women, cartoon wolves, or even cartoon spiders, blobs, or anything else, yet you still chose children.
Fapping to children makes you a pedophile. It's really that simple. It doesn't have anything to do with fantasy, you're masturbating to children.
>>72559196
>That 1 in a million chance that SOMEONE gets harmed is enough to flag the entire industry.
plenty of husbands beat their wives, how many is enough for you to flag the entire concept of marriage?
>>72559574
ok yes im sure you know much better than the victims themselves about how they feel
>>72553035
The ones defending the right of gays to live in peace aren't usually the ones advocating for legalizing sex with children.
>>72560409
>Fapping to children makes you a pedophile.
Do women who masturbate to rape fantasies mean that they are complacent in rape?
That's womens #1 fantasy, and even though by your beliefs it means that all women want to be raped, rape is still a crime. Odd.
>>72551895
>I disagree so le kill yourself xD
Seriously though, what is wrong with right-wingers?
There's nothing wrong with pedophiles, really. They can't control it and it doesn't hurt anyone, so why get all emotional and go berserk telling them to kill themselves?
>>72559709
>>72560049
i've personally raped over 400 billion white children
>>72553844
>le anti white meme
>>72554235
They're not.
>>72560529
Just as much, as i did have sexual intercourse as a child (7 to 11 years old). But please tell me how you know more than me about how a child experience a basic sexual intercourse that isn't forced and that isn't painful.
>>72554647
No they won't.
>>72555349
ebin
>>72560585
It hurts children you sick fuck
>>72560585
>They can't control it
nice meme.
>>72560585
>supporting 3D pedophilia
>supporting actual children being harmed
>>72560560
>Do women who masturbate to rape fantasies mean that they are complacent in rape?
Having a rape fantasy is not the same thing as actually wanting to be raped.
Having a fantasy about molesting children doesn't mean you actually want to molest a child.
You're still fetishizing rape if you masturbate to being raped.
You're still a pedophile if you masturbate to children.
Can I be more clear than that?
>That's womens #1 fantasy, and even though by your beliefs it means that all women want to be raped, rape is still a crime. Odd.
You don't seem to have a firm grasp on logic. How do women having a rape fantasy mean they'd be okay with being raped? You're the one who began arguing that's the case, so do you have anything to back up your argument?
Am I gonna get v& for downloading untalterbach?
>>72551895
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36159146
>yfw pedo BTFO
I think this pic summarizes his situation pretty well
>SLIPPERY SLOPE IS JUST A FALLACY, THEY SAID
>>72560711
this may come as a huge surprise to you, but plenty of people have different opinions than you about their own lives!
>But please tell me how you know more than me about how a child experience a basic sexual intercourse that isn't forced and that isn't painful.
because way, way more abused children grow up and tell us about how much it sucked than how much you liked it, so it's 100% justifiable to assume any particular case is abusive. it never said it HAS to be that way, you are the only person here putting words in other peoples mouths.
>>72560585
>There's nothing wrong with pedophiles, really.
Then come out as one to everyone you know and see what happens.
>>72560992
in the US? no.
>>72560992
just do it
>>72560409
Man what a great idea, but fapping to cartoon horses is illegal because (in some states) it's illegal to fuck horses!
Oh right, such a law will never come to pass because it's a non-issue and most sensible people realize that fapping to idealized versions of rainbow cartoon ponies doesn't mean that you want to fuck actual gross horses.
Most people who want to fuck real horses were probably born that way to begin with. And the bronyfags that I am (sadly) acquainted with are not at all attracted to real horses despite the fact that they fap to 2D ones all day. Your slippery slope is bullshit, my man.
>>72560239
>That's pretty sociopathic reasoning anon. you either 'get it' or you dont. if you cheat on your wife and no one ever finds out, did you do a bad thing?
That's a flawed reasoning to me. Cheating on a spouse is a breach of the contract you two made when you married. You promised each other to be faithful, and by committing adultery you've breached your contract, and the other person's trust. Regardless whether they find out or not.
It's the same for murder, if you kill someone and nobody ever finds out, is it bad? Of course it is, cause you break the rules of the society on which you rely to survive.
But you will see that both of these cases require you to be the active participant of an act that is against some sort of rules or agreements.
I don't believe watching a video of someone getting killed is the same as killing someone, anon. Somehow the rules about seeing things and doing things can be made different, and everybody seems ok with that. Just not for watching CP somehow.
>kind of like the trauma of living every day wondering if the person you passed by on the sidewalk goes home and masturbates to you being raped.
Again, that trauma is and will always be there either way. All you can do is try to help them get over it. But if you have to treat the damage regardless of whether anyone ever saw it or not then I see no reason to use that as an argument that should somehow make seeing it worthy of jail.
>It all boils down to not participating in something that causes harm whether or not your participation ever actually causes harm.
But the harm is already done, anon. And watching it doesn't make it greater or lesser. Ergo it has no real effect on the victim. It's just a feelgood for those who feel pride in not doing it or stopping others from doing it.
>>72561112
>theres nothing wrong with hating jews
Then come out as one to everyone you know and see what happens.
>>72551895
>MUH SLIPPERY SLOPE IS JUST A FALLACY
>FAGS ARE NORMAL
>TRANNIES NORMAL
>PEDOS ARE NORMAL
ww3 when
>>72560992
No.
>>72559827
>>72559950
come on m8, kids aren't sexy... in every single pic I've seen of girls that age doing some lascivious pose, they just come out looking as a kid trying to do something an adult would look natural doing... yeah sure, after 11 they're ovulating and are on their way to a stage where that will look natural, that doesn't mean they're already ready to get fucked, remeber we're more complex than wild animals... Jesus Christ...
>>72561228
>Man what a great idea, but fapping to cartoon horses is illegal because (in some states) it's illegal to fuck horses!
>Oh right, such a law will never come to pass because it's a non-issue and most sensible people realize that fapping to idealized versions of rainbow cartoon ponies doesn't mean that you want to fuck actual gross horses.
No one said anything about you wanting to fuck real kids or not. The only argument I've been making over and over again is that fapping to children is pedophlic. It doesn't matter if they're drawn, real, a photograph or even just a head fantasy. You're fapping to children. What don't you understand about that? Do you honestly think most people would think you're not a pedo if they knew you fapped to drawings of children?
>Most people who want to fuck real horses were probably born that way to begin with. And the bronyfags that I am (sadly) acquainted with are not at all attracted to real horses despite the fact that they fap to 2D ones all day. Your slippery slope is bullshit, my man.
What slippery slope? Do you not know what a slippery slope is?
>>72560856
>>72560909
>>72560918
Much like with sexual orientation, being a pedophile is something you are either born into or the result of your environment early in life. It's not something you have control over. You may be thinking of child molestation, which does harm others, and is something they can control. Child molestation is absolutely wrong, and incredibly damaging. I agree there. But molesting a child is not a requirement for being a pedophile. Pedophilia, alone, is a complete non-issue. It's the rapists and molestors that are a problem.
>>72561112
>if society generally thinks one way, then it must be the objective truth!
Where's the bug spray when I need it?
>>72560239
>>72561231
>a victim of cp wants you to not view their abuse, that should be enough reason for you to not view it whether or not they actually know.
And I want people to give me money as I walk down the street. But that's not how the world works, does it? It's not a real argument.
Sure you can ask for people to be CONSIDERATE and take your feelings into account, but as far as I know being an asshole to other people is still (thankfully) legal in this country (and yours as well), even though SJWs would like to see that change.
You're not obliged to be considerate, you're not required to care about other people's feelings. This is how the world works. We generally do act kindly to each other as it builds better relationships, but not being nice to others is NOT something you should go to jail for, is it?
So yes, I can choose not to watch it if I want to be nice to the person being abused in it. But this argument doesn't really quite make it into justifying why it should be illegal.
>>72561072
>because way, way more abused children grow up and tell us about how much it sucked than how much you liked it
You don't think far enough, friend
I did tell you that i had sexual intercourse as a child. I wasn't the one that asked for it, but i didn't hate it either, i didn't give a shit and still do not.
Guess what? I haven't told anyone. Why the fuck would i? "Hey friends you know i masturbated a guy when i was 7 years old lol!"
This type of thing would be extremely shameful to say. People would look at you way differently, would pressure you into both going to see a psychologist and tell it to the police when you couldn't give any fuck.
And it is without a doubt the case for many, many other people (that they don't give a shit about it). If the thing didn't bother you (but you didn't like either), you have every reason NOT to confess it.
What do you mean by "how much it sucked"?
The sexual intercourse in itself does not suck. They are children, they do not understand why it is bad, so they don't give a shit.
The only reason they would hate it is if it there actually was harm, like being forced or it being painful. Why would it suck for them if they don't understand it and don't specifically dislike it? There is no reason. I say that both because of logic, and experience.
>, so it's 100% justifiable to assume any particular case is abusive
Oh, don't get me wrong, of course it is. But thinking that every case is forced and traumatizing? Sure as hell no.
>>72561231
>Cheating on a spouse is a breach of the contract you two made when you married. You promised each other to be faithful, and by committing adultery you've breached your contract, and the other person's trust. Regardless whether they find out or not.
Masturbating to material of real children being abused is a breach of the contract you made with society by implying you're a morally upstanding citizen.
You know for a fact a victim of cp does not want you to jack off to their abuse, yet you still do it. That is a total breach of their trust. In fact that's one of the reasons why victims of cp have a hard time trusting anyone.
>But you will see that both of these cases require you to be the active participant of an act that is against some sort of rules or agreements.
You're an active participant in breaking the rule of law.
>Again, that trauma is and will always be there either way. All you can do is try to help them get over it.
You can help them by not masturbating to their abuse.
>I don't believe watching a video of someone getting killed is the same as killing someone, anon. Somehow the rules about seeing things and doing things can be made different, and everybody seems ok with that. Just not for watching CP somehow.
please do not try to strawman with me, i never said jacking off to cp is the same as abusing a child.
>>72561543
It's still fucking wrong you degenerate. Fuck I jerk off to 2D girls because it's 2D, meaning I'm not at fault.
>>72561543
This is the difference between "I must control and punish people for their thoughts!" and "Only actions can be punished, never thoughts".
You've chosen the correct path.
pedos, man
How can grow boys compete?
>>72560932
>so do you have anything to back up your argument?
>You're still fetishizing rape if you masturbate to being raped.
>You're still a pedophile if you masturbate to children.
>Can I be more clear than that?
>inb4 Freedom F starts posting
>>72561607
Personally I think you're lying to try to make a point, but I have no proof so I'll put that aside.
>What do you mean by "how much it sucked"?
I mean in the future when they grew up and realized they were being taken advantage of. Again this isn't always the case, but it's the case enough of the time that it's justifiable to assume it is the default.
>Oh, don't get me wrong, of course it is. But thinking that every case is forced and traumatizing? Sure as hell no.
I literally never said that.
>>72560992
I think the better question, is if there's a CG set for it anywhere.
>>72561632
You again? I thought you would have already been raped and beaten to death by Russians by now.
>>72562067
well shit
>>72561973
Check sadpanda.
>>72562138
I was spelling it wrong before, thanks senpai.
>>72562010
Ew, trap boys.
Get of load of this guy saying girls are better.
>>72561967
>Personally I think you're lying to try to make a point, but I have no proof so I'll put that aside.
My experience does not even matter here so you can believe it's wrong all you want it's not going to change anything
>I mean in the future when they grew up and realized they were being taken advantage of. Again this isn't always the case, but it's the case enough of the time that it's justifiable to assume it is the default.
They're most likely not to give a shit. By default, they have sexual intercourse, and there is no consequence. That's the default, the thing that happens the most and the least you can do when having sex with a child: simply having sex.
So by default, they're not forced, it's not filmed, and it doesn't hurt (because there very rarely are penetration cases). Why would they care? Would you care? Let's say you had sexual intercourse with an uknown grown men with no STD, he just asked you to masturbate him without forcing you and you did. Would you care now that you realise he abused you? Would you care THAT much? I personally do not. It's not the same thing for everyone, but for something as minor as this, if there's no one to put emphasis on "how much you were tortured", you'll most likely just forget it and even be able to live with the people that did it everyday without even thinking about it.
>I literally never said that.
Indeed you did not.
>>72561832
If you use the "lolicons aren't pedo" argument then you'd have to argue masturbating to 2D men isn't gay. After all "they aren't real". You could even extend that to feet. If you're only fapping to 2D feet you'd not be a foot fag using your logic.
You'll cry "appeal to popularity", but you'd have to be delusional to think you're not the one who needs to back up your claims because they go against the status quo, which is that having sexual fantasies involving children makes you a pedophile, regardless of if you carry them out or not.
So far the defense for "2D isn't pedo" has been horribly flawed analogies (Hurr if I kill in video game is that murder?) and constant denial.
>>72551895
This guy has a very punchable face tbqh
>>72562384
Find a fellow Ukrainian, is a pedophilia.
With real women like this why do you need to fuck children?
>>72562417
>If you use the "lolicons aren't pedo" argument then you'd have to argue masturbating to 2D men isn't gay.
There is a clear difference between a little girl and a drawing.
They can be exactly the same, but most of the time lolicon are over-sexualised, have tits (very small) and a very sexy body with a puffy vagina. You won't find those traits in real little girls, so it is totally possible to be a lolicon without being a pedophile, and the other way around too.
>>72562417
>So far the defense for "2D isn't pedo" has been horribly flawed analogies
Not exactly an "appeal to popularity" so much as it is an "appeal to authority", but being that the Supreme Court of our country has ruled that lolicon is not child pornography, I'd say arguing against their decision is futile.
So far the defense for "2D loli is pedophilia" has been horribly flawed analogies and constant denial.
>>72561678
>Masturbating to material of real children being abused is a breach of the contract you made with society by implying you're a morally upstanding citizen.
I know this, the question here was WHY. Why does society make this particular activity into an offence. You can easily justify murder as being detrimental to a society, but as we've established already, viewing this kind of material doesn't seem to have much of a positive or negative effect on anything. (unless you want to argue that watching CP makes you more likely to abuse kids, but good luck finding any proper evidence for it.)
>You know for a fact a victim of cp does not want you to jack off to their abuse, yet you still do it.
I know that a guy at work that I dislike doesn't like to be called bold. But I still do it for fun. I'm a terrible human being, obviously. But I don't go to jail for it.
>That is a total breach of their trust. In fact that's one of the reasons why victims of cp have a hard time trusting anyone.
There is no trust bond between us though. We came into no contact and probably never will. I agree about the trust issues but again, that will be there regardless if people watch it or not. I also did not make any contract with that particular person to be considerate to them.
>You're an active participant in breaking the rule of law.
Again, that's not the point. Why is it the rule of law? Justify that one.
Saying that you should obey the law because it's law is circular reasoning. There used to be laws that made people legally a property of other people. Not all laws have to be good.
>You can help them by not masturbating to their abuse.
Will they know I didn't? Will they feel any less traumatised? Will it ease their pain?
How does it help them, tell me.
>please do not try to strawman with me, i never said jacking off to cp is the same as abusing a child.
I'm not saying it's the same. I am saying the law views it as in the same category. You go to prison for either one.
>>72561245
You can always reveal power level by reasonable means, yet coming out as a pedo will always have a negative influence on how people view you no matter what, even if they don't show it out of kindness.
>>72561543
>Pedophilia, alone, is a complete non-issue. It's the rapists and molestors that are a problem.
It's a mental illness, therefore an issue. If it could be stopped it would be.
>>72561668
Sexual attraction to prepubescents is dysfunctional, how is that not apparent?
>>72562399
Of course they need to be feminine
>>72562409
>Why would they care?
Why don't you ask them yourself? Plenty of testimonies online of people who werent forced into anything.
>Would you care now that you realise he abused you? Would you care THAT much?
I absolutely would. I've been taken advantage of (nonsexually) by adults as a child without knowing it and growing up realizing what happened felt like a tremendous betrayal and destroyed my opinion of them.
> but for something as minor as this
being betrayed as a child by an adult is not a minor thing (yes im aware of the pun)
>>72561571
It should be illegal because it's degenerate. American society was better off when sodomy was illegal.
is non-nude wrong ?
>>72562628
because lera is way more beautiful than any woman
>>72551895
>Nickerson
But off course /pol/
http://www.jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Nickerson/-
>>72562829
>It's a mental illness, therefore an issue. If it could be stopped it would be.
Socialism is a mental illness, therefore an issue. If it could be stopped it would be.
>>72562681
Yes,the drawings are oversexualuzed and lewd
>>72562681
>They have tits so totally not pedo guis :)
>>72562829
>You can always reveal power level by reasonable means
wtf are you talking about? telling a normie you hate jews is always going to have a negative impact on them.
>>72563021
the more non-nude you watch the more you will want to see nudes
once you cross the nude line you'll start wanting to see actual porn
>>72563316
Is that a girl or a boy?
>>72562681
>There is a clear difference between a little girl and a drawing.
There is a clear difference between a real man and a drawing as well, yet you're still gay for fapping to either of them.
>They can be exactly the same, but most of the time lolicon are over-sexualised, have tits (very small) and a very sexy body with a puffy vagina
>most of the time
You have no proof of that, it's completely ancedotal evidence. Even if it was "most", there are plenty of popular artists who draw what are clearly prepubescent children. See: Inuboshi or Rustle for two great examples. Are you going to argue they're pedo? If so, why do you tolerate them when you make so much effort to distance yourself from other pedos?
>>72562699
>Not exactly an "appeal to popularity" so much as it is an "appeal to authority",
What authority? I'm not referencing anyone who is an expert on pedophilia or sexuality. I'm not even backing up my argument with reference material like the DSM V, even though I could.
>being that the Supreme Court of our country has ruled that lolicon is not child pornography
What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter if lolicon hentai is legally CP or not, it's still showing children in sexual situations.
>I'd say arguing against their decision is futile.
You're literally appealing to authority here, even though your appeal is irrelevant because I've never been arguing that loli hentai is CP. So now you're also committing a strawman.
>So far the defense for "2D loli is pedophilia" has been horribly flawed analogies and constant denial.
Or you know, I've been giving you logically consistent analogies that deal with the same fundamental concept; sexual attraction. It's not my problem if you can't follow something I've been repeating for hours now. My argument hasn't changed at all.
>>72563167
It will be.
>>72563237
Not if you do it with infographs.
>>72563316
Now were talking
>>72562732
>There is no trust bond between us though.
There is a trust bond between all humans, you don't think about it because it's an inherent unconscious factor. That and the fact that you're clearly a sociopath that relies only on cold logic.
I already told you in my first post responding to you, you wither 'get it' or you don't.
>>72554137
wait till race disphoria comes up
a white dude will get butthurt if u wont believe him that he is in fact a black lesbian
>>72563016
That's a cop out argument, anon.
When sodomy was illegal an average american lived 20 years shorter and usually died in pain. They had little access to luxuries and much less to necessities.
To assume all of that was thanks to sodomy being illegal would be stupid.
And that's not even touching on the fact that people living in those times were definitely worse off than the people of today
>>72563505
>Even if it was "most", there are plenty of popular artists who draw what are clearly prepubescent children.
So you agree that it is possible to be attracted to the oversexual features and only them?
>Are you going to argue they're pedo?
It depends on what features they are attracted to. If they are attracted to the simple fact that the people in the drawings are little girls (or at least very much look like so), then sure they are. But i don't believe lolicon is bundled systematically with pedophilia.
>>72564012
>So you agree that it is possible to be attracted to the oversexual features and only them?
I never said it was impossible. All I said was it's not a good argument when there is plenty of well known, popular material which focuses unequivocally on prepubescent children.
>It depends on what features they are attracted to. If they are attracted to the simple fact that the people in the drawings are little girls (or at least very much look like so), then sure they are.
Now you're getting it.
>But i don't believe lolicon is bundled systematically with pedophilia.
Arguing about lolis with mature features is like arguing about whether or not futa and/or traps are gay or not. It's grey area. When the lolis are clearly prepubescent there's really no argument at all, it's pedophilia. Even the Japanese use lolicons to refer to people who like 3D or 2D lolis.
>>72563721
I understand perfectly well what empathy is. But I cannot see why an act of "being inconsiderate to someone" in a way that doesn't seem to have any negative or positive effects on the person, where not being inconsiderate makes no difference, and cannot be clearly related to a loss in society or a direct harm to another person, should be punished with jail time.
That is all I mean.
I'm not saying that it's a good thing. But there will always be assholes in the world. You cannot put them in jail for being assholes. And if you cannot provide a direct cause of harm to others that this activity brings then being an asshole is all you're punishing them for. Which again I don't think should be punished with prison.
>There is a trust bond between all humans
Then why do you lock your door at night? Why do you have a car alarm? Why does your pulse go up when you walk down a shady alley in the middle of the night? Why do you keep a distance from the driver in front of you at all times?
Because there is such a thing as "limited trust", you dingus. Having laws saying you cannot stab people doesn't mean you won't get stabbed. And so you avoid going to places and being around people who could stab you. Simple. This is survival instincts, pure and simple. There is no such thing as a trust bond between all humans unless you're some kind of a hippy.
The person's posture, facial expression, appearance, clothing, demeanour, body language, and what they are carrying on them gives you plenty of info on whether or not you should be concerned walking by that person or not. This is the natural mechanism all living beings use to determine the intentions of other beings. When you walk up to a dog you look for similar signals that would indicate whether the dog is friendly or not, whether it will bite or not. It is normal to have a certain degree of distrust towards random people you see around you. You don't give a stranger your wallet and ask them to watch over it.
>>72554137
Saying it's a sexual orientation is just a question of definitions which it is one, that does not mean if it should be legal or not. Legally, kids cannot consent due to underdevelopment in the frontal and prefrontal cortex leading them to not being able to understand consequences of such acts in such a way they can be trusted. Therefore the act is immoral and illegal. Homosexuality in terms of two consenting adults is vastly different in this way and is why it is allowed.
Plus the article was just of a guy who says himself he understands he's a pedophile but will not touch real kids. I wouldn't call that defending the act just defending people who haven't even done anything wrong.
>>72551895
Too lazy to watch the video, summarize for me:
Are they defending pedophiles, as in people with the attraction (controversial but justifiable - you can't execute someone for thoughtcrime, but you might want to help them seek help to avoid acting on their thoughts) or "pedophiles" as in the commonly used term for kiddy-fiddlers?
(i.e. "all kiddie fiddlers are pedophiles, but not all pedophiles are kiddy fiddlers.", is the defence here of pedophiles or of kiddie fiddlers?)
>>72566041
>all kiddie fiddlers are pedophiles
the majority of people who molest children are not pedophiles
