I agree with /pol/'s stances when it comes to degeneracy, SJWs, the regressive Left, etc. I agree with the whole package, except the positive alternative most of /pol/ seem to offer: Nationalism.
Is there nothing better than Nationalism? What is the alternative?
Maybe "Nationalism" works for Russians: huge country, strong identity, etc. I can see how it works for them... but for Belgians, Slovenians, Luxemburgians, Canadians - ...
It's hard for a Canadian to have such a clear cut national identity as a Russian can, since Canada is mixed, culturally. Luxembourg is too small, Beglium is too mixed, many languages etc.
What are other alternatives to Nationalism, Communism, Socialism, and other failed 20th century ideologies?
Anything more interesting?
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>>72527624
>Canada is mixed, culturally
Oh I think that can be resolved with a little more effort on your part.
>>72527624
Crypto-libertarianism
>>72527624
best we got tier: nationalism
crap tier:globalism
shit tier: multiculturalism/ethno nationalism/socialism
edgy baby tier: communism/anarchist/nazi
>>72527726
I lol'd at that pic
>>72527888
What about technocracy ?
Also, trips witnessed.
>>72527726
Aren't there cases in which crypto-libertarianism would be problematic ... suppose someone uses crypto to produce and hide CP or develop biological weapons etc.?
>>72527926
technocracy is basically just communism anyway
>>72528218
What's bad about it?
Do you think we could employ artificial intelligence to replace government ?
For instance, an AI could run simulation of laws with genetic algos and then select the laws that produce the best results etc
>>72528368
>an AI could run simulation of laws with genetic algos and then select the laws that produce the best results etc
LA LI LU LE LO?
>>72528063
No, I'm not talking about cryptocurrency. I'm saying that you live your life by acquiring wealth through achievement and don't let anyone know you're libertarian until you have enough money to buy them. It's a good personal ideology.
Technocracy is also good. Minarchism with a strong ethnocentric culture. Meritocracy.
>>72528889
So I am also a crypto-libertarian then.
I actually keep my money in crypto, my crypto investments have gone up 250% since I put the money in, and the State doesn't know how much I have.
>>72527624
Ethnic groups can mingle but not races.
>>72529257
You're saying East Asians cannot integrate into European societies? this is verifiably false.
>>72529325
You may as well say that America "just werks" with all its multiculturalism. It's not a matter of some groups being more civilized than others. There's no unity among different racial groups.
>>72529543
America works because over the course of like 300 years, it gradually evolved into its current state. And the whole immigration boom in the 1800s worked because we brutally forced all immigrants to become Americans. And despite the liberal bullshit about "WE ARE A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS" we had strict immigration policy to up until 1964 when the flood gates were opened
>>72529105
Do this, marry a pretty white/Asian gril. All will come in due time.
>>72527624
i feel sort of the same way. nationalism without any kind of psycho-spiritual basis is degenerate. i feel like western culture has already died and become stale and tepid and confused and isnt really worth saving. people have forgotten what really matters and modern life is meaningless, undignified and vapid.
race doesnt matter anymore, if the white race has lost its will to live, then so be it, if it wishes to survive it will. a new race and civilization will hopefully emerge, filled with authenticity, vigour and life, capable of pure expressions and original of beauty and tradition.
the mainstream is shit, sjws are shit, /pol/ is slightly less shit. free your mind and find your own truth.
>>72529543
America is not a good example of "multiculturalism"... Multiculturalism means different cultures live alongside and don't integrate. I think Britain is a better example of a multiculturalist society... Muslims keep to themselves, British to themselves
America - like Germany tries to do but is failing recently - has a different, more integrational approach. The idea is you BECOME an American, you don't ghettoize
The american model is superior to the British IMO... it is not multiculturalist, it is mono-culturalist, there is an attempt to make all into "good Americans"
maybe I'm wrong then correct me
Nationalism was invented by the left to destroy traditional empires, that's why you feel uncomfortable with it. Even Russian nationalism is different in this regard because it accepts Russian dominance of a multi-ethnic Russian Federation, instead of calling for a 100% Russian nation-state.
The solution is Christian monarchy. Either Catholic monarchies like Austria-Hungary, Protestant monarchies like the German Empire and Orthodox monarchies like the Russian Empire.
I still feel sad that Wilhelm II was such a bad politician that he alienated the alliance between Germany, Austria and Russia. That was how WWI was supposed to be fought, the traditional monarchies of Europe against the liberal states of UK, France and Italy, together with their Muslim pet the Ottoman Empire. Instead the Kaiser policy threw Russia into the arms of Britain, and later, of Bolshevism.
>>72527624
Also metamodernism
>>72530127
>Do this, marry a pretty white/Asian gril. All will come in due time.
I'm puzzled by your comment... what do you mean by this?
Incidentally I am already married to an Asian. I feel like my time has to come sooner or later...
>>72527624
This is the only decent anime ever made .
>>72527624
The alternatives? Well there aren't any really.
Analyze these movements, what ruined them, what can be improved? Maybe even try and make your own from scratch.
>>72528368
An AI would reach ultimate logical assertions and be more racist than we are, though.
>>72527888
if you are going to be nationalist at all, you may as well be ethno-nationalist. otherwise it's basically just boot licking the state.
>>72527888
There's too much overlap. Nationalism is an element of ethno-nationalism, and ethno-nationalism is a key component of "Nazism" (National Socialism).
>>72530147
Non-native here. Tell me what you feel when you hear this, just curious
https://youtu.be/UK16e-Emrms?t=21s
Cheers
>>72530305
When we mobilize and plant the seeds of the Final Reich. There is already a strong shift of sentiment across Europe towards the political right. In a decade, due to increasing conflicts and globalization we will be forced to take sides and oppourtunity to amalgamate western civilization will emerge. I'll be in Switzerland then. I've seen what the alternatives are..
>>72527624
Gaullism.
>>72530946
Aka Jacobinism with a Conservative face.
>>72530498
I dont believe in this "slipper slope" for lack of a better word, ideas. Where if you do something, you HAVE to slide over to its most extreme or dogmatic ways. I dont see why you cant just be a nationalist and cut it off there without being this autistic pure blood obsessed crazy person
>>72531226
because if it isnt based on ethnicity, its based on citizenship - ie, what the current state decides. i dont see why if you are going to be a nationalist youd leave out the ethnic component. race/ethnicity is more real than nation.
>>72531453
Because you value anyone who would be loyal to the interest of the nation? i.e. the indigenous and predominant nation of the country
That's how I see it
>>72528368
Snake turn off the game. You're wasting your life
>>72531453
Also, here's the superior version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t2QeeKCEMI
How can you not love this country's natives?
>>72527624
best anime
best tv series
best political/military series
>>72531453
>race/ethnicity is more real than nation.
its just a vague thing that everyone has different definitions of. Some people dont consider slavic people to be white, or Italians, or Spanish ect. So the idea of making a nation based on that seems retarded.
And it also assumes a sort of pseudo racial science thing from the 1800s, that literally no matter what, a black person is incapable of being a great mind or something along those lines. Id rather live next to a guy of a different race that was a good person than some white trash asshole for example.
But I also see a need for a strict boarder and see the pitfalls of this very forced multiculturalism going on in europe.
>>72527624
Traditionalist conservatism
>>72531226
The problem here lies with certain groups (i.e. blacks and Mexicans primarily) refusing to embrace their country. They refuse to assimilate, they just demand that they be given support from the government they despise. They are incompatible with Nationalism and, if given an equal footing in society, would bring the country down with them. That's why Socialism only works in homogeneously white countries.
>>72527726
>>72532309
nah, race/ethnicity can be scietifically mapped. you know what a white person and a black person is, don't play dumb with semantics. 'nation' is far more ambiguous and is mostly just some bullshit invented in the 18th and 19th century, whereas ethnicity precedes this. its about identity, identity in your race/ethnic group seems much more a valid category than identity in your citizenship assigned by the state - at least that's how i see it. i dont really see why you oppose globalism if you have no problem with other races/ethnicities swamping your nation as long as they are good people. it all comes back to identity - either you think that racial identities are worth preserving (and they very well might not be), or you dont in which case you favour globalism as long as that globalism has a """"western"""" character. presumably it would be a good thing to you if nigerians, chinese and arabs acted like americans?
>>72533946
>you know what a white person and a black person is, don't play dumb with semantics.
yeah, its easy when you are that black and white (no pun intended), but what about when you get to an Italian and a swedish person? The fact is that there is no real concrete definition of what is white by white nationalist. Plus this isnt at all what nazism was about. nazism is dead and buried and lives on in a bastardized version made up of mostly internet trolls being edgy and disenfranchised white kids who LARP with it as some sort of power fantasy based on a misunderstanding they have of it from their schools teaching it as the ultimate boogeyman.
>i dont really see why you oppose globalism if you have no problem with other races/ethnicities swamping your nation as long as they are good people
what? I said Im a nationlist, how could I be both that and against the idea of nations?
And I dont really get this idea that if something is a "social construct" is it automatically bad. It just seems like petty childish "IM SO FUCKING SPECIAL YOU LITERALLY CANT USE ANY WORDS TO DEFINE ME IN ANY ASPECT!" shit.
>>72533946
>i dont really see why you oppose globalism if you have no problem with other races/ethnicities swamping your nation as long as they are good people
>swamping your nation
Here is where you make the error. Nowhere is there a need to go 100% native homogeneous or a complete equality of proportion for every single other ethnicity
The non-natives can remain a bellow 5-10% minority. Absolutely no need to go extreme
>>72533946
i guess what im trying to say is that if your requirement for a nation is just be good person and maybe speak the language - is that really an idea worth fighting and dying for? you may as well embrace globalisation which is essentually the americanisation of the world anyway.
>>72527624
I've been wrestling with this question for a while actually, because Canadian nationalism is worthless.
The best answer I've come to is to stop acknowledging the worthless national identity of "Canada" entirely and break society back down into smaller pieces. Canada hasn't existed coherently for long enough for our nationalistic roots to take hold, we don't have the same innate nationalistic spirit as the US, se we need to roll things back to where we as individuals currently stand, which is generally at the community, or in some areas, provincial level.
To imply one is "Canadian" implies they are just as much a Vancouverite as a Torontonian, which is a ridiculous notion entirely. We don't have the underlying ties to pull us together as a nation. Realistically I see myself as a southern-Ontarian, that is what my "home" is, it's where I like to be, I know people there, I know how things work, where things are. If more people would cease calling themselves Canadian, cease acknowledging even the notion of a nation of Canada, we could start undermining the retarded federal system entirely, without lifting even a finger in active resistance.
All it takes to dismantle a nation is to cease to acknowledge it, because unlike a physicaly city, a village, or a town - the nation is a complete abstraction, especially for those of us who happen to live in such a nationalistically weak nation as Canada. Our bonds are strongest at small-community level, so we should really exist as a patchwork of small communities, not a single, monolithic sham of a "nation".
>>72534646
white is just another word for european, and who said anything about nazis, their racial theories were retarded.
>what? I said Im a nationlist, how could I be both that and against the idea of nations?
but according to you, the only requirement to be part of a nation is to be a good person anf follow the rules. therefore you are completely okay with whites in america dying out as long as their usurpers eat burgers and watch american idol?
>>72534823
>just be good person
its not JUST that, its embracing the ideas laid down by the founding fathers. I believe being an American is more of a view or belief system that people actually choose as opposed to just being born with or without it.
>>72535122
>white is just another word for european
I know, but for a lot of white nationalist, they have these strict guide lines of "greeks,italians, slavs, spanish ect arent white because_____!"
>therefore you are completely okay with whites in america dying out as long as their usurpers eat burgers and watch american idol?
>le burger meme
>>72535309
but thats so open to interpretation it's basically meaningless. it's not really nationalism at all but propositionism. this is why america is such a negative influence for nationalism in the rest of the western world, this is really the essence of globalism and the whole reason why globalism is a thing - undermining ethnicity for abstract ideals that no one can really define or enforce.
>>72535854
>such a negative influence for nationalism in the rest of the western world
no, thats nazism and by extension, european imperialism.
>>72527624
Anyone have the pic of ep 40 when they talk about the fall of old civilisation due to degeneracy?
>>72531900
That's what France tried and see what happened
>>72536013
what? america as an idea is why multiculturalism is a thing. the idea that anyone can be german/swedish/french simply by being born there is american in origin.
>>72536309
>moving the goal post
you said the reason nationlism isnt supported in the west is because of America.
Thats not true. People in Western europe dont like nationalism because they trace it back to nazism, which is essentially what you are promoting (strong nationalistic ideas based around race and ethnicity.)
Thats the major difference between erope and america I think. You guys are a lot more "hiveminded" than us. Either for the left or the right
>>72527624
>It's hard for a Canadian to have such a clear cut national identity as a Russian can
What is anglo nationalism?
>>72536108
here it is my friendo.
I watched the entire series it was really worth it.
>>72528368
It is a reddittier meme ideology for pseudo intellectuals
Science cannot determine values
>>72536841
Thank you friend. I'm half through it, good shit.
>>72536841
fuck, where can I watch this? I thought theres like no DVD or english version of it
>>72536591
no i didnt. i meant that the reason multiculturalism is even a thing is this idea that 'anyone can be X'. im not even advocating for anything, i just think that if you are going to be a nationalist it should actually mean something and not just be about being a good person which is essentially the type of 'nationalism' you are promoting. this civic nationalism will not change anything that actually matters, will not preserve anything that actually matters - c'mon, you really "german culture" is still alive if everyone in germany is a mullato? just because they happen to call themselves german? no, it's just globalism wrapped up in a patriotic flag to placate the right wing and ensure a disparate population allegiance to the state.
>>72527726
>>72537029
Youtube, with subtitles.
Fuck dubs, check em.
>>72537029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ktgN80MP4
The 110 episodes are on youtube.
>>72527624
Traditionalism ie that shit that everyone used before all of the other shit was cooked up during the Napoleonic and subsequent era
>>72537124
>it should actually mean something and not just be about being a good person which is essentially the type of 'nationalism' you are promoting.
once again, I didnt say that and stated this it was about people lining up and having "american" views. And I dont get why you are pretending to be impartial when you obviously dont like it. Theres nothing wrong with stating that you have a biased opinion of something. Everyone does, including me
>>72530239
Good post desu senpai
>>72534819
ya m8 but what if they don't
>decreasing population of wealthier nations and peoples
>increasing population of poorer nations and peoples
>>72530890
what are you even blabbering about?
>>72537365
im not really pretending to be impartial im just saying my opinion. i dont know if nationalism is a good thing or not i guess, i have a lot of things to work out in my own mind. i just think that if it is a good thing, ethno-nationalism has more validity than civic, which does not offer much opposition to the current status quo.
>>72537029
You can also DL them
>>72537811
>ethno-nationalism has more validity than civic
So do you think thats the be all end all of the ideal version of nationlism? That someone is just born with the right ethnicity? Or is it something more? Like compare a white and black american who both like freedom of speech, the owner ship of guns, a liberal free capitalistic economy, and like the freedom of religion vs two english people, one of which is a hardcore communist and the other who is a hardcore fascist
>>72527624
>ITT people trying to prove they have all the answers.
There is no perfect system because humans are inherently bound to make mistakes or going to far.
>What is the alternative?
Literally not being a stupid sheep is the only alternative.
>>72538711
>There is no perfect system because humans are inherently bound to make mistakes or going to far.
this pretty much. you can tell how shitty a government is going to be based on how Utopian they sell it as. See communism
>>72530214
You are completely wrong. Me and my wife live in a polish diaspora here in Detroit. We have polish ukranian Russian here, there is another city where only Arab live. There is Detroit with 80% black next to a city with 90% white.
Communities are not mixed, being an American means different things to different people.
>>72527888
Your children won't think the same as you do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory
>>72538134
two of them are linked by nationality, two of them have the same opinions. having the right opinions doesnt magically make someone dutch or japanese or igbo or assyrian or icelandic, that does not seem to me to be nationalism.
