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5/6 of these problems (that are depicted on the picture) are caused by capitalism.If you support crapitalism you subconsciously support gun violence,child sex trafficking,organ trafficking,imperialism and obesity caused by porky fast food corporations.In conclusion,if you still support any sort of capitalism ( i am looking at you liberals) you are scum and a misanthropist
>>72512895
pay debnts
>>72512895
So how is the priest not capitalist then?
>>72513399
the priest might be capitalist but his pedophilic actions werent caused by capitalism but by religious laws
>>72512895
1. Priest pederasty.
2. Pedophilia.
3. Child soldiers?
4. Medical experiments on children?
5. Co-op FPS with a loli?
6. Some fat spic midget that needs to lose that weight by building a wall?
Pay debts, Greece.
>>72512895
>gun violence,child sex trafficking,organ trafficking,imperialism and obesity will cease to exist without capitalism
Fuck off you greasy wog.
>>72513475
3.War on foreign countries
4.illegal organ trafficking
5.school shootings/armed ghettos
6.obesity in the first world
>Pay debts, Greece.
i aint paying shit nigga
>>72513520
>gun violence
well if socialism provides basic shit for everybody then why arm yourself and rob places?
>child sex trafficking
trafficking will cease to exist without capitalism,pedophilia wont
>imperialism
by definition socialism is against imperialism
>obesity
slowly but surely
>>72513617
Yeah so far the only one that can be considered capitalism is the organ trafficking.
War can be brought on for ideological or territorial reasons not just profit.
School shootings and armed ghettos are brought about by mental illness, lack of family values and a lack of education, ironically enough.
Obesity in the first world is from unfit parents who don't know how to properly raise a child.
>>72512895
pay debnts
>>72513897
>War can be brought on for ideological or territorial reasons
I wasnt talking about war in general obviously
> armed ghettos are brought about by mental illness, lack of family values and a lack of education
armed ghettos are created by poverty and lack of education like you said.This kind of economic inequality is created by capitalism
>Obesity in the first world is from unfit parents who don't know how to properly raise a child.
Also because the governments are funding those products thus making them cheap and easy to buy for everyone and as a result creating obesity.But yes it is also the parent's fault
>>72512895
1) Shitty parents trusting the priest
2) shitty parents selling their own kids as hookers
3) This one is true
4) Most of time it is shitty parents selling their kids organs in the Third world
5) Shitty parents that let the Third world into Your country
6) Shitty parents that cant say no when their kid begs for fast Food
The funny thing is 3 out of 6 is shitty parents in Third world countries that harms their own kids for Money
>Greece can't even create a decent society within it's own borders.
>Tells the world how it should be run
Get your own shit in line and show us how the "glorious non-capitalist world" works before you tell us what exactly is wrong.
>>72512895
nigger
>>72514349
instead of countering my arguments you try to insult my country?Nice one you fucking leaf
>>72514405
Epic XDDDDDD
From left to right
>Rape was around before capitalism
>Ethan Klein???
>War was around before capitalism
>Wat???
>Banditry was around before capitalism
>Being a fat shit is the fault of the parent not capitalism
>>72512895
>no nigger
>>72514405
>is an italian which historically has been cucked by Libyan cock
>calls me a nigger
>>72512895
I think that whoever made this photo likes little boys in their underwear too much
>>72512895
>he thinks these things wouldn't happen in a non-capitalist society
>>72512895
no black man with a niglet hanging
>>72514609
>>72514889
>>72512895
>>72513344
>>72513475
>>72513617
>>72513962
>>72514152
Fuck that shit lets play a game.
Everyone in this thread needs to answer two questions.
1.
Which ones do you marry, fuck or kill?
2.
If you had to die, but could choose one duo to be able to switch back and forth between for the rest of their lives - who'd be more fun? -Wwyd?
>>72513724
>>child sex trafficking
>trafficking will cease to exist without capitalism,pedophilia wont
I know you don't understand supply and demand, but this is idiotic even for you
>illicit black markets don't exist under socialism
Moron
>slowly but surely
No, the problem will be fixed quickly because there will be no food.
>>72515129
1.
Marry >>72513962
Fuck >>72513475
Kill >>72514405
2.
>>72514152
2 and 3 are RACIST because they're CRITICIZING OTHER RACES' CULTURES YOU BIGOT
6 is FAT SHAMING
What side of history are you even trying to BE on
>>72515232
and if you dont have any money then you starve while the bread rots.Isnt capitalism humane?
Also no advanced socialist countries had any food shortages
>>72512895
Silly greece,opinions are for countries that can afford to exist.
>>72515425
>advanced socialist countries
Name one
>>72515378
>2 and 3 are RACIST because they're CRITICIZING OTHER RACES' CULTURES
Didnt know that child prostitution and attacking foreign countries for resources has to do with culture
>6 is FAT SHAMING
fuck fat people desu
>boo hoo
>muh capitalism
>>72515465
The USSR never had a food shortage after Stalin,China never had a food shortage after Mao.The DDR never had a food shortage in general.Albania was food independant after sometime with Hoxha.Yugoslavia was also food independant after the split from the USSR
>>72515425
Youll starve more quickly if the banks stop letting you withdraw your own money.You know,like they do in fucking greece.
>>72515646
didnt know that yankees liked to be cucked by the system.I thought you guys were ''red pilled'' here
>>72515679
I know!Isnt capitalism just working fine in my country :D?
Why are the boys the only half naked ones? I though feminism stopped this kind of inequality.
>>72515659
Anything less than insane abundance is shortage compared to capitalism.
>>72515753
Your country has been burnt by irresponsible loans taken out by the government, it kinda proves that giving government supreme authority over the economy is a shit idea.
>>72515753
>i fail at funding my own life but ill blame "the system".
You sound just like a nigger.
>>72515924
>Anything less than insane abundance is shortage compared to capitalism.
is this why we wont even have fucking water due to over consumption caused by capitalism?
>Your country has been burnt by irresponsible loans taken out by the government, it kinda proves that giving government supreme authority over the economy is a shit idea.
Big gubment=/= socialism
>>72514557
how about you pay debts instead of making shitty arguments that make no sense.
>>72512895
All of these things would exist without capitalism.
/thread
>>72515453
hahahahaha
>>72516046
sorry for not already having three fucking jobs to sustain my life.I already have 2 jobs and i still cant make enough to not worry about if the bank will take my house (that i worked hardly to built).Fuck off porky capitalism sucks ass
>>72516097
>water is a closed system and we are running out of it
Holy shit, you are retarded.
>Big gubment=/= socialism
Large government doesn't equal socialism but socialism entails large government.
>>72516097
Yeah,you should pack a bag and hit the shitskin trail for northern europe.im sure the socio-economic climate there will be much more to your liking.
>>72516184
proof?
>>72516218
it's corporatism not capitalism you hate friendo
>>72516227
>Large government doesn't equal socialism but socialism entails large government
>Socialism=a system where the means of production are controlled by the worker
Where does it state that it needs a large government
>water is a closed system and we are running out of it
We are running out of water,oil and even chocolate
>>72512895
>5/6 of these problems (that are depicted on the picture) are caused by capitalism.
They really aren't though, if we had capitalism(we don't, go read a fucking history book, Americans used to not get fleeced for 1/3rd-1/2 of our fucking incomes) Those problems would rapidly evaporate. Especially medicine. If we had freedom, the price of medicine would plummet and the quality and efficiency would skyrocket. Charity care for the poor would make a huge comeback. Insurance would go back to it's original market function of being a measure of risk when everyone is able to afford their own costs because the government isn't artificially causing the price the be %1000+ percent above it's market value.
If you were capable of the critical thinking it took to actually scrutinize those problems, you would be wanting to bring capitalism and freedom back, not try to get rid of it.
>>72516246
>''If you dont like it just leave xDDDD''
No,my entire family has been living here forever and even if i trace my family tree back to my great great great grandparent,they still lived here.I am fiercely patriotic and wont leave my country even if you payed me to do so
>>72516322
How the fuck are we running out of water you retarded nigger? Water is pretty much a closed system, it is very easy to create and 80% of our planet consists of it.
>>72516286
Corporatism is a branch of capitalism and also the most used kind of it
>>72516218
Yes because noone has to work hard in the us to maintain a home and family.
>>72516417
>the ''its not REAL capitalism :''('' meme
>>72512895
how did no one point out this greek couldn't live on welfare without capitalism?
>>72516548
i never implied that some of you dont
>>72516597
i dont live on welfare faggot,you literally cant get welfare in Greece
>>72516574
So you've been brainwashed to hate freedom, here's your prize.
>>72512895
Most "capitalist" countries today have been living under a soft form of socialism for about 50 years.
The US, for example, has gone from a relatively free market society in the early 20th century to a full blown, near-communist oligarchy today.
>>72516726
>There is only one version of free market capitalism
You are literally worse than the fucking commies.
>>72516463
Well thanks for keeping your broke ass out of my country.Look,you need to bitch about the place youre so proud of instead of finding fault with the basic policies and practices employed by every other country whose people arent deforesting the land for heating fuel.
>>72512895
Of course.
If we had communism all of those people, kids and adults, would have starved to death.
>>72516771
>to a full blown, near-communist oligarchy today
>>72516620
Ok so then the deck thats stacked against you comes from a domestic problem.It cant be systemic because you and i have to play by the same rules.
>>72516726
>Capitalism:a system were the means of production are controlled by private owners
This is literally what is going on in ALL western and nearly all third world countries,just because your very specific kind of capitalism has never been applied that doesnt mean the current system is not capitalism either.
>>72516761
>capitalism=/=muh freedums
>>72516497
that's why you need nationalism to be your base not capitalism. Nationalism first capitalism second
>>72516771
>The US, for example, has gone from a relatively free market society in the early 20th century to a full blown, near-communist oligarchy today.
>>72516923
Congratulations this is the first thing you said that is correct.
>>72516966
Negative freedoms vs positive freedoms
>>72516878
>If we had communism all of those people, kids and adults, would have starved to death.
>2000 + 16
>people still dont know the definition of communism
>>72516966
that's rich coming from someone who thought you needed a vanguard to rule over people because you can't trust people to be free.
>>72516966
>post more anti freedom propaganda that tries to invert reality and make me think freedom=slavery and is therefore bad
You should really study 20th century propaganda. That pile of horseshit doesn't line up with reality by any margin but you sit here believing it like's it's anything other than brainwashing designed to make you love your servitude.
>>72517006
how about nationalism first,capitalism never?You know..actual national socialism?
>>72516923
Then your nation just sucks at it.Theres no other explanation.Despite what niggers will tell you noone here is systematically disqualified from a life of self sufficiency and happiness.
>>72517049
Did you read issiah berlin?
>>72517133
i'm sorry i'd like to be able to own property and not be property of the state
>>72517025
>the face you make when commissar sanders actually thinks you're going to sit at home and wait to be put on the back of the truck to the gulag
>>72517068
I'm pretty I know the definition of communism.
As did Soviet Union and China. And I'm sure the millions who died in the regular famines of those two countries knew the definition as well.
But hey, screw the ebil business men right?
>>72517225
again
>Socialism=a system where the means of production are controlled by the worker
the government is here only to protect the people against anti-revolutionaries and foreign invaders
>>72517068
>people still dont know the definition of communism
If your definition is anything other than cradle to grave government controlled by a ruthless ruling class that mass murders people, you're the only one here who doesn't know what communism is.
History books. Go get some. Real talk.
>>72517355
hahahahahaha cause that totally works everytime it's been tried, how you going to stop corruption becoming endemic in the system?
>>72517281
>le 764376437 died in forced famines meme
you know how stupid and unrealistic that sounds right?
>>72517281
>muh 100 gorillion
>le all communism is the same meme
>>72517355
>the government is here only to protect the people against anti-revolutionaries and foreign invaders
Meanwhile down here on planet earth, the only fucking thing government protects is it's own power, and must have it's size and powers brutally restricted so that the population can have it's freedom.
>>72517446
No, I don't.
Please enlighten me Greece.
Please tell how well communism works.
For some reason every single thing I've ever read or seen about communism ended with the conclusion it didn't and can't work.
So I'm all ears Marx.
>>72513617
>armed ghettos
Literally socialism. Ghettos exist for the sole reason of providing housing at cheaper than market price to people who the government deems deserve better than what everyone else gets.
>>72517049
>implying all governments don't have positive and negative rights
>>72517441
the people are going to be armed obviously.If the government actuallt tries to be anything but socialist then the people will rise up.It is like the conservative argument ''we want le guns to fight the future fascist gubment''
>>72516247
How come these things happened before capitalism came about?
These things have occured in Communist Russia and the Feudal countries in the Middle East.
Stop being such a faggot, Greece. Everyone in the world is watching you squander the 20,000th money handout you were graciously given.
>>72517355
And who will front the cash to build a factory?who will pay workers until revenue exceeds costs?who will purchase supply inventories until fiscal sustainability is achieved?lets see...govt govt govt annnnnd govt.but yeah sure,the people own that shit.
>>72513724
Because people want more than just basic shit
>>72516878
>muh 100 billion
>>72517542
we are talking about the ''deaths'' under socialism.I clearly provided you a picture that explains it very well and has 3 different sources to back it up
>>72516772
Now you know what anti communist fucks sound like.
>>72517641
Post them then. Please.
>>72517570
Like most greeks and actually educated people have said,most of the money go to the banks inorder to not collapse and only a tiny fraction goes to its people.Do you think we are living some kind of ''american dream'' in here?
>>72517474
Are you actually a Communist posting here? Are you somebody who believes communism """hasn't happened yet""" as opposed to the true fact that it won't ever happen?
>>72517565
>the people are going to be armed obviously.
lol you're fucking dreaming if you think a state that asserts control over all economic activity would allow it's populace to be armed. Lol you need to wake the hell up big time. nobody would want to live under the kind of nightmare you're talking about.
Is this the first time your views have ever actually been exposed to critical scrutiny?
as much as I hate T*rkey, if they went to war with Greece I'd be rooting for them because of posts like these.
>gun violence,child sex trafficking,organ trafficking,imperialism and obesity caused by porky fast food corporations
All of this shit happens in non capitalist places at the same or even worst rate. Also pay debts.
>>72512895
>no muslim with child bride which is more common than all these together except maybe the burger children
Has anyone already found the Jews behind this
>>72517581
the government and worker councils.
>>72517601
they will have it (of course if the country can provide it).
>>72517732
>the government takes giant loans, gives all the money to the big banks and sticks the people with the debt salvery
That's exactly the communism you want so bad. You already live under what you're sitting here telling us you want. Drink up.
>>72517817
This is the inherent problem with communism
>>72516227
>le socialism is inherently totalitarian meme
>>72517677
the sources?They are on the top of the picture
>>72517772
i wont be surprised if the american government supports Turkey.Your govenrments have fucked us up more than once
>>72512895
Thinking human vice is affected by capitalism... Being this retard.
>>72512895
>Priest pedophiles
Statistically school teachers and your own parents are more likely to molest you than a priest. Also priests aren't Capitalists.
>Pedophiles
Nothing to do with Capitalism. Predates Capitalism.
>War/Imperialism
Nothing to do with Capitalism. Commies invaded people left and right too.
>Organ Trafficking
Nothing to do with Capitalism. Happened in the Soviet Union too.
>Urban crime
Nothing to do with Capitalism.
>McDonalds causing Obesity
This one does have to do with Capitalism, we should be more like Communist countries and starve 50 million of our people to death.
Now why don't we count the things that Capitalism has done for us?
1: Global poverty has been halved in one century.
2: A colossal gyre of medical advancement and new technologies have become available for everyones' use.
3: Greece has been reduced to an irrelevant shithole by German bankers.
4: Dragons Dogma might get a sequel.
>>72515659
Shhh no truth allowed
>>72517912
>le people willingly give up their shit meme
>>72517446
Fuck off Greece, learn 2 history then come back
>>72517782
Right.so explain to me how a govt funded business is an example of people owning means of production.
>>72517446
Too bad it's true.
But tell me more about how good life is in North Korea.
>>72517902
*socialism
and yes,all capitalist countries will not cooperate with socialist countries making it a struggle for them to survive
>>72517782
>And who will front the cash to build a factory?
>the government and worker councils.
They take the money from YOU, stupid.
How the fuck do all the chuckleheads who talk about this shit think they aren't going to pay for it? Where do they even think money comes from? Do they know how to tie their fucking shoes?
We're all just making fun of you at this point since you haven't responded to any of the posters in here that are demolishing you.
>>72517732
> Do I think you live the "American Dream"?
Obviously not, or you wouldn't be in this predicament. When the US has debts, we off-load them onto other countries who need our USD to trade on the international market. Do you do that?
>>72517969
I sincerely hope they do. If T*rks are the equivalent of niggers, Greeks are the equivalent of Aboriginees.
>>72518033
>clearly not providing any source for why those numbers are somehow real
>>72517744
No. I just don't fall for the propaganda that every branch of the far left is the same.
>>72518036
Didnt you use china as a supporting argument?
>>72518033
>Rummel
Post discarded.
>uses le North Korea strawman
>>72518154
Hard to tell the difference, since you'll find that anti family, anti free speech and ant west garbage is what dominates the narrative across the spectrum. The only lefists I've ever in my entire life witnessed to be on the side of human freedom and codified basic rights have been JFK and dennis kucinich. I'm starting to warm up to Jim Webb after how he stuck of for based Andrew Jackson.
>>72518039
If the socialist government and the collective is clearly in control then money will be easily used to pay for that shit.
I havent seen any argument that ''demolished'' me
>>72514557
Actually he did counter your argument by telling you to put your money where your mouth is. Oh wait, you don't have any money.
>>72518183
China was socialist under Mao,now it is a mixed economt
>>72517990
>implying everybody owns a factory and workplace
>implying worker ownership would be any more invasive than today's government
If anything it'd be a picnic.
>>72515659
>the DDR never hat food shortage
are you fucking kidding me?
>>72518324
>I havent seen any argument that ''demolished'' me
Of course, you're ignoring them.
>>72518422
they didnt Schnitzelehead
>>72515703
>cucked by the system
That's called Socialism. The government is the system. Free enterprise is not a "system" or an institution, it's people exercising their right to trade.
No corporation has ever taken a dollar out of my pocket without the government's help. The government has never given me even a TENTH of what I pay them in taxes every year back to me. I've counted.
Your pitiful demand for the government to play a larger role in your life--THAT is cuckery. THAT is bootlicking. THAT is submission, servitude, serfdom. My only demand is that I be allowed to do what I want with my fucking money beyond the bare minimum required to maintain the public works that make civilization possible. Every expenditure beyond that BARE MINIMUM should be considered theft until proven otherwise. The utmost scrutiny and skepticism of all government spending is necessary. Capitalism has never taken a dime from me, the State takes twenty percent of my fucking income and uses it to kill sand niggers. Why the fuck should I be mad at Capitalists?
>B-but Capitalists control the government
They do not. The people control the government, and the people--including idiots like you--continually VOTE these people into office, because you just can't bear the thought of NOT having the government in your lives. You open the door and invite them in, then they fuck you. If you voted to limit their power they wouldn't have a fucking choice except to obey. YOU are the problem, not Capitalism. You claim to despise Capitalism and yet a Socialist is by definition a person who thinks it's okay for the state to bribe the public with their own money. You're scum. Worse than thieves, you're thief-enablers and thief-apologists.
>>72518427
not really,i am not dogmatic in my beliefs,if someone actually debunks me then i will gradly change my beliefs
>>72518504
And again, this thread is a cornucopia of debunking, you just pic related. The guy right above your post just stretched your asshole open and you're going to sit here and deceive yourself that you're still right.
>>72514557
You can't try to weasel out of your debts by installing global socialism, fucking marble column man
>>72518504
>gradly
North Korean detected
>>72518621
*pic related
>>72518462
>he believes the government is the system and not the ideology that dictates the way we live.
>he believes that the capitalist corporations arent gladly taking his hard-earned money.
>he believes i like a large gubment
>he believes i vote even though i am clearly a communist
>he cant understand the consept of a society
have you been stuck in the phase of a 5 year old child?
>>72512895
>implying capitalism is making kids fat not careless parents
>implying war just happens and can never be avoided espacially in the middle east
>implying the curch can be considered a product of capitalism
>implying the right to bear arms for means of self defense makes you equal to an fedora tipping school shoter
>implying pedophilia is a direkt produkt of pedophilia
>implying people, surgeon's, can't be corrupted
You have literly no idea how the wolrd works you live in
Just blame the capitalism, whitesupremesie, patriarchy and rely on the government to play the part of your parents so you don't have to blame people just a thought construct you can shove all problems of yours to
You're pathetic and i hope you die shitskin
>>72518462
>socialism=a system where the means of production are owned by the worker
>socialism=/= no freedums
>socialism=/=big gubment
how many times do i have to point this shit out
>>72518824
>capitalist corporations
This statement is a contradiction, a corporation is legal personhood granted BY THE GOVERNMENT
Capitalism is physically UNABLE to create corporations.
Go read a history book. For the sake of your own mental wellbeing, so the cognitive dissonance from your ideals crashing into reality doesn't make you snap.
>>72518831
>implying capitalism is making kids fat not careless parents
like i said,when the government is funding those companies,making the product very cheap,it encourages the consumer to be a fat slob
>>implying war just happens and can never be avoided espacially in the middle east
never implied such thing,strawman argument
>implying the curch can be considered a product of capitalism
i specifically said 5/6 for this reason.
>>implying the right to bear arms for means of self defense makes you equal to an fedora tipping school shoter
strawman
>>implying pedophilia is a direkt produkt of pedophilia
pedophilia isnt,making profit out of it is
>implying people, surgeon's, can't be corrupted
they can thats why i point it out
>>72519136
Read a history book Greece. Your country is the cradle of democracy and you so careless want to destroy it.
Read a history book.
I've noticed lots of communist threads over the past few days.
/pol/ is waking up to the class war, the future is bright, comrades.
>>72518621
also,i am just one person and you guys are like 6-10 different people.I cant read all that shit in time
>>72518324
What happens to people who cant work?govt funding for new businesses diminished.what about market slowdowns and business failures?govt funding for new businesses diminished.what about niggers?govt funding for new businesses diminished.what happens when tech updates are required to remain competitive?govt funding for new businesses diminished.what happens when govt is beyond bankrupt?you live in greece.
>>72519221
>Capitalism=democracy
Such is American brainwashing.
No, capitalism is the democracy of old Greece. Democracy only for the upper strata of society, or as the exist now the bourgeoisie.
>>72519232
well /leftypol/ is a dangerous place since the leak.Most of us had to come here
>>72519232
Problem is you want to fight people that you should be siding with, you're just too brainwashed to realize it.
>>72518632
Kek
>>72518457
tons of food werent available in the DDR p.e. coffe, cocoa and bananas. Vegetables and fruits were very bad and only available in their harvest season.
>>72519345
>You should be siding with the bourgeoisie.
No, the bourgeoisie are the people out to exploit me and everyone else on the planet. I'm not going to drink the "class-collaboration" fascist kool-aid. They start the wars, the cause the injustices, they steal your hard work.
The only thing worth giving them is a first-class, one way ticket to the gulag.
>>72519500
And there it is.the ultimate argument of the poorfag.the haves only have by,and for,victimizing the have nots.
>>72517977
>>72517977
>Imperialism is unrelated to capitalism
Trashed.
Organ Trafficking actually wasn't a huge issue in the USSR after WWII. It was, however, severe following the transition to capitalism in 1991. It's a big issue in much of Russia and China today.
>urban crime is unrelated to capitalism
kek
>implying massive poverty reduction and incredible technological advancement don't happen in socialism
>>72519836
They do, that's literally how capitalism works.
Unless you think Steve Jobs spent his career making Iphones in China rather than stealing other people's ideas and harvesting fat profits.
>>72519323
What happened at leftypol?
>>72517913
Is this an Aussie with a proxy?
You really had me going
>>72518306
>Noam Chomsky
>Rosa Luxemburg
>Stephen Fry
>Christopher Hitchens
>Alexander Dubcek
Most of the anti-Stalinist and anti-Soviet left.
Is this where we post pics of starving people?
>>72518958
>a system where the means of production are owned by the worker
fuck off rapist
Pay your debts and quit blaming everyone else for your problems, Greece.
>>72520002
i dont even know how to use a proxy.Do you want me to talk to you in Greek so as to prove you my nationality or sth
>>72519500
>implying you've done an hour of work in your life
>>72520125
Porky is triggered such a clearly superior such a system is.
I expect he will reply to this post with Milton Friedman quotes and mumble something about "human nature".
>>72520213
I have.
What's your next argument?
>>72518958
It's hard for then to comprehend when they've been saturated with propaganda.
>>72519972
>employing = victimizing
>people being subjected to slave labor conditions in a communist country is capitalisms fault
Of course you're a britcuck too. God damn id rather be shot in the face than set foot in that communist wasteland
>>72513471
Churches can wrap up celibacy in all the dogma they want, the real reason for it is an economic one: they don't want to have to pay priests enough to support a family. Churches that allow their priests to marry have a much lower incidence of child molestation than do the ones that don't allow the clergy to wed.
>>72519972
Aww youre so full of shit my non apple device stinks.Go cry to my employer that hes fucking everyone on earth in the ass so he can have a decent life.boohoo your bullshit to the guy who owns his own construction company with 20 employees.let the pizza shop owner know what a massive corporate whore he is.make sure to look like a faggot hobo and wear plenty of patches and pins while you do so.
>>72520236
What's wrong with Milton Friedman?
>>72520236
Saying that "the workers" should own the means of production is literally the economic equivalent of advocating rape.
You see someone that has something that you want and rather than acquiescing to their terms of exchange, you would seize it by force. You're just the economic equivalent of an /r9k/ loser that can't get laid and thinks he should have the right to force women to sleep with him.
There is NOTHING stopping "the workers" from "owning the means of production" in capitalism other than their own laziness or incompetence.
>>72520477
>What's wrong with Milton Friedman?
the fact that he literally trashed the Chilean economy and resulted in a 40% poverty rate?
>>72512895
If there was empirical proof that said some percentage of children had to die for gun rights to exist, I would still support freedom.
Regardless, everyone subconsciously knows it's niggers that make up almost all gun violence.
>>72520527
>cappies believe this
>>72520272
>The red proudly proclaims he has in fact done an hour of work in his life!
Handing out copies of the Communist Manifesto doesn't count comrade.
Milton Friedman was jewish
>>72520527
Lol commies need the most fundamental economic principles spoonfed to them and they still never fucking get it
>>72520392
>Employing=victimizing
Of course it does because property is robbery.
>people being subjected to slave labor conditions in a communist country is capitalisms fault
Of course butthurt petite bourgeois Cuban emigres will tell you that, but in reality socialism is the best thing to ever happen to much of the world.
But like most Americans you've been drinking the kool-aid all your life, so you would literally rather die than consider that maybe the communists actually are trying to help you.
>>72520527
>rape
>implying bosses don't steal the wealth their workers produce
You're like those tumblr feminists.
>>72520622
What's stopping you from starting your own business?
>>72520628
ebin
>>72520622
>get job
>save money
>use money to start business
>I now own the means of production
How willfully retarded can you possibly be
>>72520711
If those workers are capable of creating wealth without the boss why don't they just go into business for themselves and become their own bosses instead of stealing his property?
>>72520713
Motivation.moderate intelligence.fear that failure would be own fault.waiting for govt to make one and hand it over.
>>72520838
They can't make enough money. They're dependent on wages.
>>72520687
>property is robbery
What the fuck does that nonsense even mean you fucking hippy
And I suppose the state taking and 'redistributing' the products of my labor is somehow not robbery
The rest of your post is just ad-hom and virtue signaling
>>72520472
The thing is employees don't need their employer. They need his property, thus is the crux of the socialist worldview. That the property ought be controlled by the workforce democratically rather than via an abstract concept of ownership.
>>72520477
Obviously as a communist I have massive disagreements with right-wing economics. But in truth that's more of a stance against classical liberalism than the man's academic career.
>>72520527
>This is what porkies actually believe.
The thing is there was a time when the concept of owning another human as literal property was universally acknowledged and protectd. Private property in the future will face the same fate, by virtue of the pure ideology of the concept itself.
>>72520628
Flawless logic, ironclad argument, communism BTFO forever.
>>72521013
It's a quote from Proudhon.
>And I suppose the state taking and 'redistributing' the products of my labor is somehow not robbery
Actually yes that would be robbery, just like your boss taking the products of your labour for himself is robbery.
Thus is the need for communism, so that you personally can control the products of your labour.
>>72520973
>They can't make enough money
So let me get this straight.
You're seriously claiming that no worker has ever saved his money and gone into business for himself?
>>72520838
They will.right after the govt steals the start up capital from other people to give to them so they can be free of corporate injustice.
>>72520804
then i am not a worker i am the boss and therefore a capitalist,fucking idiot
>>72520687
>property is robbery.
>robbery implies unlawful exchange of ownership
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>>72521234
By this logic taxation isn't theft.
>>72521299
Capitalism needs the government to exist.
You require police to violently preserve your claim to property.
>>72521021
>the employees don't need the employer they need his property
They most certainly need someone who knows how to run a business to run the business. Any attempt to run a business democratically will be a catastrophic failure. Everyone will just vote themselves higher wages and the vast majority have no idea how to make the kinds of operational decisions that make or break a company. There's a reason we use a representative republic rather than direct democracy, it's because most people are fucking retarded as evidenced by your hopelessly stupid world view
>>72521021
> Private property in the future will face the same fate, by virtue of the pure ideology of the concept itself.
Glorious! Then once we have over thrown the economic bourgeoisie, we can finally set our sights against the sexual bourgeoisie!
Seize the means of reproduction! You have nothing to lose but your virginity!!
>>72512895
omg what the fuck have i done
>>72521359
It wouldn't, co-ops already exist and function perfectly well.
>Everyone will just vote themselves higher wages and the vast majority have no idea how to make the kinds of operational decisions that make or break a company
I've noticed that abstract money-coupons seem so real to some people that it seems possible to just summon value out of nowhere but in truth that couldn't happen in socialism. You can only be paid as much as the sum total value created by the means of production can be divided, and if it's being divided equally (aka the highest everyone could possibly get) then clearly they're working exactly according to plan.
>Most people are stupid and don't deserve to control their own life
I assume you're not including yourself in this judgement?
>>72521021
>employees don't need their employer.
So far the experiments haven't been that much of a success. Not a whole lot of people possess the skills to run something bigger than themselves.
That's the thing; most people are trash, we're not equal. You're free to try and become an owner or "capitalist". Expecting the state to hand you a company is stupidity out of this world.
>>72521282
You made an unsound proposition, that's the thing.
>>72521021
And as I asked OP,where in the fuck does all of that property originate from?OP says the govt,which could only get that money from the people.so how is that any different?Now instead of requiring one mans property i need the entire nations with the only benefit being some half truth that i own anything.
>>72512895
This screams of highschool edginess
It's foolish because the art would insinuate that in order to have a priest, or a tourist industry or surgeon these children had to suffer and be sacrificed.
Fucking shallow /8
>>72521190
>if you own a business you're not a worker
My dad owned an electronics repair business. He worked 10-12 hours a day and constantly had to manage the business and do repair work himself. He was absolutely a worker and capitalism allowed him to be a self-made man who owned his own means of making a living.
This wouldn't be possible in your little utopia, every person he employs is all of a sudden an equal shareholder and basically gets to take over and do whatever they want and are immune from termination since theyre also an owner- it could absolutely never fucking work in a million fucking years it would be such a logistical and economic nightmare
Everyone is a worker
>>72521538
>So far the experiments haven't been that much of a success. Not a whole lot of people possess the skills to run something bigger than themselves.
They work pretty good.
They don't make fat profits but that's because that's not the point, the point is to minimize exploition both of the labourer and the consumer.
>You made an unsound proposition, that's the thing.
I was quoting someone else, who wrote very much on what exactly "property is theft" means.
>>72521021
Also,whos to say a machine operator knows fuckall about running a company?
>>72521575
tbqhwyf private property originates from the working class. Miners, construction workers, farmers and so forth. However what makes this magically become the property of whatever capitalist claims it is the power of the state endorsing that claim.
>>72521282
Well it cant be or all this talk about gibsmedat biznesses kinda falls apart.
>>72521757
This is the point of it being democratic.
Machine operators know exactly what they're doing when it comes to operating machines, however they might not be very informed on the logistics of the situation. Thus why you can introduce a diversity of careers such as by also having a factory manager without anyone owning the property or exploiting anyone else since it's controlled democratically.
>>72521358
Socialism needs the govt more.
>relplying to pinkos without saging
>>72521926
>Seizing the means of production has anything to do with taxes.
It's not taxing them off the poor oppressed bourgeoisie.
It's emancipating the workers inside.
>>72521974
Yes because socialism without a government ceases to be socialism and starts being anarchism.
However this is not to say socialism requires a bigger state than capitalism. Ideally in socialism the state ought to be as neutered as possible.
>>72521954
>without anyone owning the property or exploiting anyone else since it's controlled democratically.
>mfw everybody is too busy campaigning to do any actual work
>>72521721
Name one example of a democratically run business enterprise being successful when competing with traditionally run businesses
>>72522002
If you want to be an emancipated worker you just quit retard
>>72521990
does sage even work anymore?
>>72521851
Nope.its made available in a fucking marketplace because the pizzaman isnt going to mine resources and smelt steel to make a pizza oven.
>>72512895
>capatalism causes poverty
when will this meme end?
>>72522275
>The third world doesnt exist
>>72522360
what does the third world have to do with it? They were poor as shit before capatalism and they're poor as shit now.
>>72522360
The third world is shitty because the people there are savages.
>>72522129
>>72522139
>>72522232
You can stop shitposting anytime.
>>72522130
Mondragon
>>72522275
Yes, capitalism depends on imperialism in the third world to keep costs down. The reason you can get commodities for next to nothing is because the people in the third world making them are paid next to nothing.
>>72520176
It's okay.
This entire thread will look good when it's time to pick shitposting champ of the year.
>>72522510
Before capitalism they lived peacefully,after capitalism they are constantly at war with eachother and they have most of their resources stolen from them
>>72522581
no
>>72522002
It has everything to do with taxes.where the ever loving fuck does the initial capital to start a business in this point in dimensional time/space come from if not from a private buyer?
>>72522598
the entire fucking board should be picked as the shitpost champ of the year
>>72522597
He seriously believes in communism
These people exsist
Wow
>>72522510
>Capitalist imperialists show up
>Rob all the wealth
>Pull out hapharzardly
>Continue to support child labour, literal slavery and warlordism
>Show up periodically to slap down up and coming socialist leaders in the third world because they're endangering capitalist profits.
>Capitalism has nothing to do with it.
>>72512895
>Be Greece
>Be socialist and rack up massive debts
>Be Greek citizen evade taxes as much as possible
>Elect Marxist government, refuse to pay said debts
>Blame Capitalism when it blows up in your face
Educate yourself about economics before crying about capitalism you ignorant cuck. Without capitalism we would even be here on pol/ hurling insults at each other.
>>72522659
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
>>72522623
>there was peace before capitalism
Please kill yourself with that nonsense
The only reason you think there was peace is because there was no way to record the wars
>>72522746
>>72522780
It has nothing to do with he year of Marx gave me his rough draft in the 1860's I would have told him he is a dumb asshole
>>72522746
>Be American
>Dont know shit about the political situation of Greece
>meme about it
>think you are somehow right
Educate yourself first
>>72516966
>telesur
No thanks. It's always the Dominicans fault.
>>72522824
this is kind of depressing tbqh comrade
>>72522858
If he gave you his rough draft of Das Kapital in the 1860s you probably would have been illiterate and too busy working like a black for your capitalist overlords to even have the time to read it.
>>72512895
Pay your debts you Goddamed commie
>>72522623
>niggers
>living peacefully
They killed each other just as much if not more so than they do now. They just didn't write it down because they're niggers.
>>72522733
>Harvesting the resources niggers were trampling over, running past and couldn't aquire by themselves.
>Purchasing slaves at the reccomended retail price
>Robbing
>>72522959
>Bulgaria
>>72522869
>>72522925
You guys are hilarious no wonder your society is failing and ours rocketed past yours in just a few decades
Good luck with the retardation in sure Ahmed and Muhammad will enjoy your long talks about Marx right before he behead you for idolatry
>>72522910
It's okay.
One day every ancap will turn 18, realize how stupid they're being and shitpost no more.
The good thing about being Greek is that you can't really disappoint anyone.
>>72522998
>Conquer place
>Decide to just take the resources
>This isn't robbing
>>72523025
>Capitalist society is falling apart in Europe
And it feels so good.
>>72512895
Pay up.
>>72522597
imperialism and capitalism are not the same thing. Communists can be just as imperialist
>>72512895
I love you komşu
>>72522623
>before capitalism they were at peace
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJHUEHUEHUEHIEHUEHUE
they've been murdering, raping, enslaving, and otherwise brutalizing each other for fucking millennia, just like everyone else. The difference is some people advanced past it and others didn't, and those who didn't don't deserve the resources they were born next to.
Not that capitalism requires imperialism, All it needs is sensible protectionism
>>72523131
It isn't robbing because it's your place now
>>72522790
WHERE....DOES....MONEY.....COME.....FROM...TO....START.....BUSINESSES....IF...THERES....NO....PRIVATE....MARKETPLACE?whatever fuck this thread.i have all i need to know theres something worse than niggers in the world.and also that most of the people arguing for workers rights probably dont want to work at all.
>>72523025
>Murica
>16.7 million children living in food insecure households
>14% adult povert rate
>people literally get bankrupt for using the healthcare system
>Largest debt in the world
>uses 56% of its budget on the military
Yep your society has definitely ''rocketed'
>>72523136
If you're being an imperialist you're not doing communism right.
>imperialism and capitalism are not the same thing
They are, it's just imperialism in the 21st means supporting free-market dictators and preying on the destitute poverty of the third world to sustain the economy of the first world. You cannot have capitalism without imperialism.
>>72523195
:* Constantinopole back to Greece when?
>tfw you will never sit in a Starbucks with a card with daddies money on it as you rage on /pol/ on your mac about how awful capitalism is while you inject yourself with 5 dollar coffee.
>>72522910
how is it going man?
don't try debating these people they are very out of touch with reality
>>72515425
>no advanced socialist countries had any food shortages
Ok, ok, I get it, this is b8.
>>72523208
i meant that they werent starving or having endless civil wars.Of cource they have fights and they did shit that we see as inhumane but we have to take into account that they lived in a different society with different culture.
>>72523257
Sorry, you just have very poor grammar so I can't really understand your weird syntax.
I don't think you understand communism very well. Entrepeneurs and private marketplaces simply wouldn't exist, they would be uneeded.
>>72523300
>not doing communism right
Apparently no-one can ever do communism right.
They fuck everything up every time, but of course it's not the system. It's just that they didn't do it "right".
>>72515753
Actually, your country is ruined becasue of leftist socialists and corruption. Now guess which system breeds corruption the most :^)
>>72523381
πολυ ασχημα φιλε,τουλαχιστον kαθομαι σε αυτην την τρυπα οταν σχολαω απο την δουλεια για να ξεχνιεμαι.Καλο Πασχα!
>>72523261
>Murica
>literally created modern industrial society and is the only reason you even have a computer let alone the ability to share your retarded opinions with people across the globe
>not a million times better than your little EU-controlled debtor territory that willingly gave up its sovereignty and flushed its economy and heritage down the drain
>>72523443
No, the Eastern bloc knew what they were doing. They did socialism as good as they could.
They didn't fuck up once. Liberal Gorbachev fucked up and now eastern Europe is a shithole.
>>72523443
Here's the thing about communism that communists can't understand.
In order to equally distribute the wealth, you need some kind of group that does this job.
This group will always have power over the wealth of a country.
If people try to fight back, they can simply give more of the wealth to those who help them, and less to those who oppose them, people are naturally greedy and will choose to help whoever has this power.
No matter how many times you try communism this is ALWAYS the outcome, because communism ignores basic human drives.
>>72523300
Capatalism is just being able to have personal property and be able to do what you like with it, including trading it for other peoples personal property.
Imperialism is taking other peoples property by force and actually goes against the fundamentals of capitalim
>>72523483
>leftist socialists
Τhe only greek leftist socialist that was actually leftist by his policies was Andreas Papandreou which actually did quite a lot for my country.
>>72517446
Stalin did not kill milions in just one year. All the deaths in gulags, prisons, famine etc. are summed up in that number. Yuu do realize, that stalin was in "office" for ~30 years?
>>72523559
kαλό πάσχα μαν, kράτα γερα
αθηνέζος?
επίσης τι είναι δουλεία? kάποιο είδος εξοτιkού ζώου
>>72512895
because socialism worked so well for greece
>>72523261
>Greece
>looking at our poverty
1st. What the fuck is food scarcity? Nobody in the us is starving most of our poor are obese
2nd our "poverty". Standard of living is better than most people on earth who have ever lived
>debt
No doubt this is a problem but you are certainly one to talk Asshole
>56%
The closest thing to a communist society is North Korea and they spend more of their budget on the army than we do
Also WE DEFEND YOU FUCKING CUNTS
I can't wait for trump to disolve NATO and watch you people drown in Browns
>>72523306
Never xd
>>72523434
You just cant answer the question without betraying your beliefs and thats all there really is to it.
>>72523614
>In order to equally distribute the wealth, you need some kind of group that does this job.
Yes, the people.
Which is why in socialism the proletariat need to be as armed and class conscious as possible so that they can liberate themselves.
>>72523426
But they were starving and having civil wars. The only time third world countries ever see a semblance of peace is when civilized countries colonize them.
>>72523602
>Murica
>gets cucked by Saudi Arabia which did 9/11,Isreal which gets free money from your taxes and gets cucked by their own government by participating in pointless wars
>MUH INTERNET
the internet and the computer were created in thr state sector not the ''free market''.By your own logic the internet was created by socialism
>>72523261
You do realize their "poor" have better standards of living than other poor people?
>>72523779
>Yes, the people.
You ever heard the phrase "too many cooks spoil the stew"?
You cannot trust every last man and woman of a country to equally distribute the wealth of the entire nation. It would be the largest clusterfuck ever attempted.
>>72523695
you confuse it with capitalism
>>72523691
papandreou's policies were advertised as leftist before the elections but they really weren't.
it looked progressive due to comparing it with thacher reagan etc
>>72523680
>Tsipras
>not socialist
>>72523689
Neither the picture nor i claimed such thing
>>72512895
Why is the gun violence one showing a white male? Niggers are the highest level of gun crime issues.
>>72523675
>personal property
You mean private property.
>Imperialism is taking other peoples property by force and actually goes against the fundamentals of capitalim
It doesn't, capitalism absolutely requires such a system to maintain itself. Both in that the proletariat are forced to surrender the fruits of their labor so they don't starve to death, and that you need to constantly be keeping any hint of communism worldwide (especially in the third world) locked down hard.
>>72523300
A lone communist nation in the big bad capitalist world will get its shit pushed in as we've seen time and time again.
You don't need imperialism to have communism unless you want your pinko state to survive against imperialist capitalist forces.
>>72523691
ναι απο αθηνα φιλε
Πρωτη δουλεια ειναι στο εργοστασιο του Σταμου kαι δευτερη ως αποθηkαριος σε σουπερ μαρkετ.Δεν βαζω kολο kατω για ενα μεγαλο kομματι της μερας
>>72523870
>the wealth
Class traitors say this like communists literally want to redistribute the imaginary money-coupons in bourgeoisie bank accounts.
No, communists want the workforce to seize of production and work on their own terms democratically. If the police are dead, and the state is extinguished then there's nothing stopping people from just working as organized democratically amongst themselves.
>>72523779
Are you retarded? There is nothing that unites the masses, once their masters are gone. And when they are not united, some will AGAIN seize power and establish the next dictatorship that will oppess it's enemies.
Also what >>72523870 says is 100% true.
>Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
>>72523963
Yes, hence the importance of global revolution.
>>72523724
>Standard of living is better than most people on earth who have ever lived
sure but isn't it kinda unfair to compare yourself with cave people?
also lot's of things that are considered granted in greece (stable housing) and in europe (healthcare) are lacking in the us
of course you're slowly trying to solve those but still...
>WE DEFEND YOU FUCKING CUNTS
kek, you supported dictatorships, left Cyprus to the hands of turks and currently you allow turkey to break all the international rules
>>72524047
>And when they are not united
This is the point of communism, to unite them.
>>72523724
>The closest thing to a communist society is North Korea
Wow do you really believe that,North Korea is Juche not marxist
>Also WE DEFEND YOU FUCKING CUNTS
Thanks for installing an oppresive fascist dictatorship back in the 1960's.You really defended me as my puppet government exiled my relatives in a deserted island
>>72523883
nice b8
>>72524074
i love you
>>72523909
Capitalist systems have prospered in many cases where imperialism has nothing to do with it, globalism is the real reason behind third world exploitation. In a more protectionist and nationalistic environment capitalism has no need whatsoever for third world shit holes, but with globalist policies in place there's no reason not to exploit them so they do.
And we don't kill commies because we have to, we kill them because we want to. Fuck every last one of you to death.
>>72524112
And what makes you think you can get the world to unify under one economic system when socialism will always fail in developing countries because they lack the infrastructure that capitalism builds up?
Class-traitors, how does it feel to know your children will be communists?
It's inevitable, you can't stop it. Western society has been shifting left at lightspeed for a long time now. The young are more left-wing than ever and there's no end in sight. The future is red.
>>72524170
Not cave people how about poor people 40 years ago
Or just your average person in the 1700's. The poor live lavishly by comparison
>>72524189
Yes and they do absolutely great job of uniting people against communism, every time.
>>72524328
This is the thing, no capitalist country exists without imperialism. Every last one of them even if they didn't go out and get colonies in the age of imperialism proper still to this day require the resources and labour of the third world to sustain themselves.
>globalism is the real reason behind third world exploitation.
This is another thing, globalism is the natural outgrowth of capitalism. And partly ties into my next point
>>72524379
1. As I was saying to the other guy it's with rising globalism it's inevitable that at some stage the world will be so-interconnected that there more or less can only be one economic system worldwide.
2. Developing countries are called so for a reason, one day they will be industrialized enough to sustain socialism. As the USSR proved by going from an agrarian backwater of Europe to world-super in a single lifetime this is possible even under a socialist government.
>>72524386
The pendulum is swinging back as we speak and it'll be the necks of commie filth that it splits in the process. My children will tell stories to their children about stringing people like you up to lampposts.
>>72512895
>pedophilia isn't caused by capitalism
>no clue what #2 is
>child soldiers are created by the war on drugs, which limits capitalism by limiting and regulating trade of a product causing a black market
>Selling kidneys is outlawed. This creates a black market, see #3
>ghettos are a symptom of the war on drugs and welfare dependencies. See #3
>"having the option to eat unhealthy choices is what killed him" Nah, he killed himself mate.
>>72512895
We are currently witnessing, an unnatural, unintended kind of capitalism, that is not near the same state as when it was founded.
With the type of global, crony and even godless capitalism spreading worldwide, we are seeing rising of those being burned by an imposter capitalism when you have known, evil governments that are intertwined in commerce, picking and choosing which businesses survive and prosper... It is prevoking more people to counterintuitively reseort back to an even more godless system like communism.
One of many evil examples of what I am referring to is when you have governments regulating, condoned practices of aborted fetal tissue being used in companies products worldwide, it should drive anyone to consume less and know the products you use and consume. Aborted fetal tissues are used in food, drink and cosmetic products...I don't think this is the type of capitalism it's founders wanted for the citizens of the world.
>>72523909
>surrender the fruits of their labour so they don't starve to death
You mean transfer the money they have worked in exchange for in exchange for the food of their choice? What's wrong with that? It's not like they could grow better food themselves if they worked just as hard growing the food themselves.
>constantly keeping communism locked down
Capitalism really does not need that. It was nice of the US government to try to destroy communist filth, but it's really uneccassary because it collapses on its own
>>72524032
>seize the meanse of production and distribute resources democratically
you can't put a bunch of random smart sounding words on a page and expect a meaningful sentance to form desu.
>>72524032
>No, communists want the workforce to seize of production and work on their own terms democratically
"Wealth" refers to far more than just money. Even if you don't have a single bit of currency on you, you can be wealthy via your possessions.
Money is another thing that, even if you somehow abolished it, would return. If you work on a farm, for example, how does your farm get power? If whoever produces the electricity already has all the food they need why should they be expected to take food from you (which is relatively worthless as they already have food and they food you give them would spoil before they could eat it) in return for power?
Money isn't some evil invention of the rich, it's a tool that was used to ease the practice of trade so that people could manage to sell their goods and get goods they needed easily.
Communism is just a neat idea, like flying unicorns.
>>72524605
There is no pendulum, just a long trainride left with no brakes.
Sure, everyone seems very right wing when you're just on /pol/ all day but in reality - in a time when even transgender people are getting equal rights and racism is basically non-existent except among the extreme fringe it's clear just how far we've come from Marx's time.
>>72524599
>As I was saying to the other guy it's with rising globalism it's inevitable that at some stage the world will be so-interconnected that there more or less can only be one economic system worldwide.
You mean capitalism?
The near global economic system that's already in place and will eat up upcoming commie states as it has several times before?
>>72524599
Such bullshit, there are so many businesses that employ only citizens of their home countries and use resources available within that country. The US could easily sustain itself in relative isolation if we got rid of Jewish globalist cancer, there's no real logistical reason why we couldn't. Capitalism + nationalism + protectionism is a tried and true common sense system
>>72524738
>You mean transfer the money they have worked in exchange for in exchange for the food of their choice? What's wrong with that? It's not like they could grow better food themselves if they worked just as hard growing the food themselves.
I'm saying rather than get paid a wage in compensation for their produced value. Them and their workmates should distribute the total value of their produce democratically amongst themselves. Thus with no bosses they end up making more.
>you can't put a bunch of random smart sounding words on a page and expect a meaningful sentance to form desu.
That sentence made perfect sense, anon.
>>72514557
pay dem debts
>>72524920
>Capitalism is the last economic system that will ever exist.
Anon, no.
>>72524927
That's not true because ultimately you will always have to purchase produce and resources from the third world. They absolutely dominate the market in capitalist countries that there's no avoiding it.
No country is an economic island, there's a reason North Korea is so destitute and that's because we're past the point when countries could be entirely self-reliant.
>>72525218
>>Capitalism is the last economic system that will ever exist.
Nice strawman.
I wonder if you can tell me how you suppose we could unify the world as if all nations had a homogenous set of beliefs and values today?
>>72525046
If it made sense how come I've never met anyone that understands what it's trying to say? Or any explanation of it that's logically sound?
Democratically distributing value? What is this "value" in the form of anyway?
>>72525696
The thing about industrialization is the more it happens, the more the values of that society begin to become cosmopolitan and cease to resemble the values of old. There's a good reason why in western Europe no one but the very old or uneducated really gives a fuck about religion and such anymore.
>>72525868
>If it made sense how come I've never met anyone that understands what it's trying to say? Or any explanation of it that's logically sound?
Probably because communism is quite complicated. It doesn't help that communism to the layman means whatever cold war propaganda says it does so it can also be very confusing.
>Democratically distributing value? What is this "value" in the form of anyway?Democratically distributing value? What is this "value" in the form of anyway?
The value of whatever they're making. In a socialist society this would probably be represented by currency.
>>72525895
>There's a good reason why in western Europe no one but the very old or uneducated really gives a fuck about religion and such anymore.
Well until one of those religions blows up one of your cities, then you can't stop defending it.
>>72512895
>Child Molestation
This has gone on for millennia. There was, is and will always be, child fucking degenerates out there.
>Child soldiers/killing children in war
Again, this is something that has gone on for thousands of years. Even today, no country, Capitalist, Commie, fascist or other, has been immune to using or killing children in combat.
>Organ Trafficking/Abortion
Having nothing to do with Capitalism. To this day, organized crime groups in COMMUNIST China kidnap people to jack their organs and put them on the black market. People will always need transplants, and until we can grow them in labs, there will be group who illegally steal organs (need for organs far outnumbers availability).
>Killing/Mass Shootings
In all of human history, individuals, groups and government regimes have massacred, executed or committed acts of genocide against persons. This is not something caused by Capitalism, but the result of evil people. Commies in Soviet Russia were responsible for the mass murder of tens of millions of people, as was the same in Communist China, and Cambodia. No country or government on Earth, in all of history is innocent when it comes to mass murder of innocent peoples.
>Obesity
Shitty parenting and general greed has been problematic across history. Long before Capitalism existed, the ultra rich were often fat fucks. Even today, Capitalist countries are not the only ones with fat fucks roaming about. This is a personal responsibility issue, not because of free markets. Unless you consider Commie bread-lines an effective method of dieting.
>>72526040
So a factory of workers exchanges the car parts they have produced with a car assembling factory for valuebux. Then they have some kind of vote on how many valuebux each worker gets?
>>72526079
Notice where Muslim fundamentalists learn their values from - extremely backwards and poor communities in the third world.
Here, in the UK there's plenty of people of Muslim extraction that simply do not care about the religion. Even in Muslim countries the more wealthy and educated they are the less likely the more secular they're likely to be, emigres following the Iranian revolution being a great example of this.
>>72526358
Yes.
>>72526400
where do they get the factory from?
>>72525895
And how do you hope to industrialize places like Haiti that buckle almost entirely under the weight of internal problems like corruption?
>>72526451
Either.
a) It was already there and they were already working in it, but following a revolution they adopted this new means of organization in the absence of the bourgeoisie.
b) In early socialism there would almost certainly still be taxes and state sanctioned construction projects.
>>72526503
By smashing the state and instituting a new socialist government to industrialize the place USSR style.
>>72512895
this picture is edhgy
RIP bread, nice knowin yall
>>72526560
So all new means of production would have to be created by the state, with tax money?
>>72513617
>not paying debts destroys your country
>blames capitalism
Bitch you should be PRAYING for Capitalism to make you some money and save you from complete economic collapse.
>>72526819
It would be created by construction workers, but it would be financed and comissioned by the state with tax money.
