Has today's fashion slipped too far into degeneracy?
What do you feel should be the cultural standard of clothes for men and women?
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1950s-60s imo thought 60s began the decline
Pic related should be skimpiest things get.
>>72502310
Fashion is constantly changing so worrying about it is nonsensical.
>>72502310
I'd be surprised if someone doesn't equate the whole exposed back thing to being ready for a whipping
>>72502453
I wasn't referring to high fashion I meant the cloths people can acceptably wear in public.
>>72502310
Muslim detected
>>72502310
The degeneracy started in Afghanistan and spread to the West. The Taliban cleaned things up with bee keeper suits for females, and the Middle East is enjoying the benefits they brought to this day.
>>72502310
Hows that even considered a piece of clothing. It's like someone tooks a stretched out piece of fabric and took two end and just stitched them together with the express intent of making the wearer look as fashionably homeless as possible.
>>72502310
I don't give a fuck.
>>72502310
She has a nice body and muh dick is diamonds.
>>72502310
Yes. Not 10 years ago was it considered trashy to have a visible bra. These days, it's the norm and is even the popular trend.
Also, fun fact: The Biblical definition of nudity is that anywhere between the hips and the knees is visible. If a girl is showing a bit of thigh, she is technically showing her nakedness.
>>72502310
They should wear whatever the fuck they want. Are you seriously complaining about seeing more scantily clad women?
>>72506534
Bible kek
>>72506534
Who cares about what the bible defines you stupid fuck, You want women in bee keeper suits then fuck off to saudi arabia you low test cuck.
>allahu ackbar
Please have sex sometime you pathetic virgin, why do you care so much about what Becky is wearing other than the fact that she won't take it off for you?
>>72505422
> the Middle East is enjoying the benefits they brought to this day.
what that they are so repressed they rape children and hope they wont tell because of fear of being executed
>>72506586
That's why I said fun fact. If you don't care for it then just move on. If you get butthurt over a simple fun fact, then you're pretty retarded and should go back to plebbit.
>>72506687
Fuck up cunt. No one cares about your shitty "fun facts". Do you tell people at parties these fun facts before you get your ass beat?
Fucking neck yourself you muslim queef sniffer.
>>72506687
Funny coz you actually sound like a feminist bitching about women showing off too much skin
>>72506741
(You)
>>72506757
Okay then
>>72506814
(Allah Ackbar)
>>72502430
fuck mary quant, the bitch
>>72507025
is that true about the brastraps and biblical nudity?
I thought it seemed like women showed a lot of brastraps but the fuck do I know about fashion
>>72507325
>biblical nudity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4oy1W5KcE8
Showing bra has certainly more prevalent in fashion over the past few years.
>>72506548
Reddit-tier retard thinking.
It's easy to watch porn of beautiful women and imagine how awesome it would be if the world was full of such beautiful women who went naked everywhere.
Difference is, that girl on the internet effectively does not exist to you. You'll never see her or know her or speak to her in real life.
But this kind of thing won't be limited to that effectively imaginary girl. Sooner or later, it'll be a girl you actually admire and like getting groped up by Jamal. And then it's not so fucking awesome anymore.
>>72507479
has certainly become*
>>72507479
you like based Pastor Anderson? I think I first found him on /pol/ . I kicked him some shekels for his movie where he named the jew.
>prottie heretic
I know but still...I do like some of his stuff....I just get tired of Protestant ministers yelling from the pulpit. I go to a Tridentine Mass and the Father can get your attention without having to raise his voice.
>>72507493
all women get groped by jamal you stupid shithead. just make yourself be the chad
>>72506757
Practically no feminists do that nowadays, you dingus. Modern feminists are obsessed with pushing sex. They realize consciously or subconsciously it's the only power they have.
>>72507583
I think Pastor Anderson is great, I watch quite a lot of his sermons. I'm pretty sure that I first found him on octochan on /christian/. I'd like to give him some shekels, but I'm overseas and a starving Uni student. Good to see that you've done so though.
There are many ways to hear the word, it doesn't really matter so long as the teaching is Biblical and sound imo. Best go to church though
>>72507772
At one time it would have been impossible for him to get the message out to people across the world, but now with youtube and the internet he can. Pretty amazing that a guy in 'straya is watching a minister in....I don't even know where.
When I first started going to church like 5 years ago, I thought it would be easy to find one where they named the jew and stuff kek!
>>72507638
Well thats one thing I agree with feminists on then
Not at all
>>72507888
Yeah, the Internet can be pretty incredible. I think he's in Tempe, AZ.
Kek, most churches here focus on the feel-good humanist 'gospel' and stuff. It's really refreshing and, I think, very beneficial, to listen to some good ol' hard preaching.
Seriously all you Christian fags
>>72508153
So you're equating the lack of belief in Christianity to being a cringeworthy leftist cuck? I agree, good post!
>>72508091
AZ, of course!
I used to go to a Presbyterian church, and once in a while they'd say something besides Mother Teresa and stand with Israel and muh holocaust, but my skin would crawl every week when I had to hear the pro-juden part of the sermon.
At my Latin Mass the Father talks about shit like "don't call me if someone commits suicide and you want a priest at their funeral...they're in hell" and shit like that! and when he was doing the procession he took the hat off a homeless guy that was wearing it in the church and he left, thank God....
but yeah based Pastor Anderson seems to regularly tell people that don't like his message to get out of his church and stuff, which is refreshing, like you said!
You go to a local church, anon? How is it?
>>72502310
Is this what you're looking for?
>>72502310
Why do black girls have no ass?
>>72502310
breast implant is popular in America
it is a good thing degenerates identify themselves with clothing. makes them easier to avoid
>>72508324
The presbyterian and Calvinist type churches here are very pro-Israel too. It's a pity because very often the more conservative churches are also hardcore Zionist.
That priest is preaching pretty hard, I love it. We don't have many Latin mass services here at all. If I were Catholic, I'd be pretty annoyed at that. How popular is Latin mass where you live?
Admittedly, I don't have a church I usually go to. I come from an Anglican family, and my parents don't really care for any of it any more. So as of now, I'm exploring the faith and doing a lot of studying about Christianity. I'm checking out a lot of churches around my area; I've found a pretty cool and conservative Anglican church nearby, so that will probably become my 'home church'.
>>72508661
>very often the more conservative churches are also hardcore Zionist.
When I started going back to church I did a tour of the Protestant denominations...one nearby has moving sets and a pool on stage and did a trapeze act and interpretive dancing kek it was actually really fun but yeah the founder talked about his good, good Rabbi friends he consulted with....
Latin Mass is new in my area, Los Angeles, but it's pretty darn popular, surprisingly enough. Now that I'm used to it, going to a V2 mass and it's hippy nonsense is tough.
That's aweseome you're studying, anon. That's what I did, and it took a lot of work to come to where I am now. I should have checked out Anglican, if I'm not mistaken they're really close to Catholic.
women should be pleasant to look at and want to make you talk to them, not rip their scraps off and fuck their brains out, that comes after marriage
but what can you do in a sex obsessed society
>>72508661
You ever been to a Latin Mass? It's great, the women wear head coverings and no revealing clothes, there aren't altar girls or women giving lectures about something...it's really great.
>>72508936
Jesus fucking Christ what a virgin cuck you are
>>72508936
nicely said, swede-bro.
don't worry, they'll have shariah law there sooner than later :^)
>>72508934
Ueber trendy Protestantism with rock bands and circus acts is pretty cringeworthy imo. A Bapitist church near me had an interpretative dance performance to Ed Sheeran's music...
We don't have many Jews here, so we only hear whispers about them and never really see one. That is unless you have a fine-tuned Jew-dar. But I digress, modern Protestant stage-show Christianity and the prosperity feel-good 'gospel' is dangerous and should be avoided.
High Anglicanism is very similar to Catholic and is still quite conservative and liturgical. But be weary about Low Anglicanism. Low Anglicanism is the SJW nonsense you see in the "(X) YES/Christcuck" threads with lesbian preachers promoting feminism and Islam via a projector and stuff. They're very hit or miss, Anglican churches. You have to be careful.
>>72508987
I've never been to a Latin Mass. I have seen them on YouTube though. I like the look of them, and I appreciate the headresses and modesty that women display during the Mass, it's beautiful. I know that there's one in my city somewhere, but I'm not sure exactly where... the other side of town, I believe. So that sucks.
>>72509627
>A Bapitist church near me had an interpretative dance performance
You kidding?!? I had no idea that was a thing! I wish I could show you this place....it's always packed with college kids and it's almost like a pep rally or something....
>We don't have many Jews here
ugh...thank your lucky stars...I thought the walking rats description was just a meme...
>Low Anglicanism is the SJW nonsense
ooOOOOOoooooh OK...thanks for the info! I'm no expert on denominations...the Vatican II parishes I've attended are radically SJW...what pisses me off is the mexicans suck up every bit of gibs they can and never donate or volunteer for anything...and yes, at those parishes women can preach under the banner of giving testimony or something, and everybody can't wait until they can become priests...and they all have gay outreach ministries and stuff.
The only conservative ones are the Latin Mass ones, as far as I've seen, anyway.
>>72509627
>I appreciate the headresses and modesty
As a man, it's great not to be distracted by the women. Sure, newcomers willl do stuff like wear a skirt that goes above the knee now and then, but in general with the modest dress and head covering, they become invisible and ... not a distraction.
High mass, with the choir, is really amazing. IF you ever decide to attend a latin mass, I'd encourage you to get the whole experience. There's a reverence I don't get anywhere else.
Don't get me started about the Pope, however. Catholocism was subverted by the jew a long, long time ago. We're the remnant of the true mass.
>>72509950
Yeah, it shocked me too. It's sad because there's always a lot of wholesome qt3.14s at these megachurches that have prep rally sermons. The young seem to prefer the 'experience' of religion with all its bells and whistles rather than the awe and reserved humility of liturgy.
I've met a few people who I suspect are Talmudists, but the Sons of Abraham seem to hide and disguise themselves very well within society.
The liberality of V2 is a major reason why I had reservations about attending one of its services. It seems to me a cheap knock off of traditional Mass, and has been infected by too much modern stuff. V2 Catholics here are known to be some of the most liberal (and least pious, for that matter) people. The Pope, to me, is a Marxist anti-Pope and a heretic Anti-Christ. I do not like what he preaches and does at all, no matter how nice and tolerant it seems.
>>72510198
That sounds great man, it would be nice if that were the same in my Uni classes, kek. Women are most beautiful and attractive when they're more modestly dressed IMO.
I'd like to go to Latin Mass one day, it's just a matter of making it in time to service at the other side of town. I'm not good at that sort of thing. It is certainly on my list of things to do - attend Latin Mass, it sounds incredible.
>>72510692
>The young seem to prefer the 'experience'
kek
of course. That makes sense. I never get that emotional sort of deal like i used to get at a Protestant church.
>also no coffee bars
>hide and disguise themselves very well
The Orthodox are the walking rats. The Ashkenazi can be really, really difficult to identify. Their behaviour, which they can't change, betrays them sooner or later.
>The liberality of V2 is a major reason why I had reservations about attending one of its services.
No argument here. The Mother Church was subverted long ago, and now is fully in the enemie's hands. I attend a sedevacantist parish as well as a local FSSP. Agreed, he's a jew loving marxist anti-Pope through and through.
>it would be nice if that were the same in my Uni classes,
How can anybody concentrate with women around that are wearing nothing but a smile?!? How could a guy help but stare?!? It wasn't until I went to a Latin Mass that I even realized what a difference the modesty makes. It's really great. Yeah, gotta travel to get to them, but one day I hope you find your self over there on a Sunday and get a chance to see it. It's like giong back to the 60's for an hour. It's really nice.
Also, agreed, the V2 mass is Protestantism by any other name. The Pope even was celebrating Martin Luthor this month, FFS.
>>72511125
I find myself getting quite uncomfortable with those types of services. They focus too much on how the person feels, rather that focusing on God and the majesty thereof.
I've found that you can pick them by how they look at people (the look in their eyes) and what by what they do and say. They are very clever, that's for sure.
The sexual revolution of the late 60s was definitely a mistake. It degraded women and their self-worth and self-image. It's often hard to concentrate in Uni, and girls being a distraction is quite possibly a major reason as to why the male boys' grades in schools are slipping.
Pope Francis celebrated Martin Luther? Unbelievable. He needs to go. I don't know how the Vatican has displaced him yet. Luther is like the OG enemy of Catholicism in the modern world, I don't know how Mario Bergoglio(sp?) can think this is okay.
>>72502310
Look, another stealth pro racemixing thread made by an American.
>>72511696
>They focus too much on how the person feels
Oh, totally! Instead of focusing on worshipping God, it's about muh feelz. When I didn't know any better it was much easier to accept.
>It's often hard to concentrate in Uni
I...I can only imagine, anon. Also you're an oppressive shitlord for stare-raping women! :^)
>Pope Francis celebrated Martin Luther
One of those despicable interfaith services or whatever...I can't remember the deets but I heard about it on one of the trad cath YouTube channels....the jews fully control the papacy and not surprisingly the bank, and I'd bet dollars to donuts Pope Francis is a member of the tribe...it'll be "discovered" after his death, and then celebrated
What do you study, anon?
>>72512071
It is my privilege :^)
Well, he is a Jesuit, who are known by many Protestants and Catholics alike to be very shady and immoral. To my knowledge, they're basically proto-Communists who do pretty questionable things as a means to bring further success and power to their Order. There's a Protestant documentary called "A Lamp in the Dark", and the last quarter of it or so examines the shadiness of Jesuits. I find it pretty obvious that the Vatican has been infiltrated by Satanic forces. Talmudist Jews, Freemasons, Luciferians? I don't know, but ultimately it's all the same.
History m8, going into teaching.
>>72511821
but you are a product of racemixing, cousin
you grandma was raped by my grandpa, that's how your mom got borned
>>72512557
>>It is my privilege :^)
kek
>I don't know, but ultimately it's all the same.
I couldn't have said it better, anon. If you ever get the chance, there's a book called The Plot Against the Church written before V2 in an effort to prevent it. It basically says everything about what you just described, the subversion of the Church by the forces you mentioned.
Agreed about the Jesuits. They're celebrated by the media for a reason. Maybe they started out legit, who knows, but they're certainly jews and their useful idiots now. I actually know some Jesuit priests I really like, but unfortunately they've been fooled.
You've done some reading if you know all that about the Vatican. Shows a depth of knowledge.
History, really! I'm sure you'll be able to put some redpills into your lessons. The other teachers, though? I'd pretend to be liberal as fugg until I got tenure. My dad was a liberal professor and they just demonize anybody who wasn't.
>>72502310
Something similar to New Zealand's 2012 Olympic uniform.
>>72511821
dude its you again.. i'm the first two posts in your image. this is getting weird germany why do you keep posting that?
>>72505422
Found the arab
>>72502310
Yes. Saw an early thirties woman with a gown like pic related except that underneath she was wearing only a one-piece baywatch swimwear... in a fancy restaurant. Whore was there with her husband.
>>72502430
>Right around the time of second-wave feminism
Color me fucking shocked...
>>72512911
I'll look out for that book, my city's got a pretty sweet Christian bookstore, so I'll keep my eye out for it. There's a lot of literature about the subversion and perversion of the Church, a lot of it admittedly is pretty fringe stuff. There is something definitely wrong with her (the Church) though.
The Jesuits used to be like a legit hardcore taskforce that came as a result of the Counter-Reformation. They were instrumental in rooting out emerging heresies in Catholic lands during the Early Modern period. But yeah, quite a lot of Jesuits have lost their way.
My history teachers bread-pilled me about the history of the Church, lel. I can't drop many red-pills in class, because my lecturer and course coordinator is pretty based as it is. She specialises in the history of Christianity. She seems to be some sort of Calvinist and Zionist, but despite that she is pretty based when it comes to Muslims and the Crusades and all that sort of thing. All I have to do is to not be too harsh and tactful when it comes to Muslims (despite our lecturer's arguing, we still have Muslim sympathisers, but that's University for you), and I can say anything else I want to say regarding the history of Christianity. It's pretty cool. My tutorer is a total lefite, but he's very openminded. The classes are full of trendy lefties, but they're taught hardcore bread-pill stuff. Watching the lefties' cognitive dissonance is very entertaining stuff. But since most of the kids are irreligious as it is, most of it is pretty irrelevant to them and they don't choose to eat of the bread-pill.
>>72512992
Dapper stuff, really nice.
>>72513934
be tactful*
>>72513934
>so I'll keep my eye out for it
wow they have fringe stuff!!! that's pretty wild!!!! You can get a PDF off the web, it's been out of print for a while now. Jews say Father Coughlin wrote it, and others say it was a group of Spanish Bishops but who knows. It doesn't change the info inside, though, it describes how the usual suspects were planning to destroy the church from within. That's cool you even *have* a Christian bookstore, much less one with controversial titles.
>bread-pilled me
kek
History of Christianity? Wow....no politics involved in that course! :^) I'm surprised that's even offered, wow....
I take night classes at a well known Uni here...the students are so high strung....I'll talk to the guys and they can have a laugh, but the women are so ..... muh patriarchy muh privilege I don't engage them unless I have to.
>it takes concentration to not look at them, tho
>>72514624
Oh, I meant that there's a lot of fringe literature about the Vatican, not that the bookshop has it. Sorry about the confusion lel. They have a lot of older books, to be fair.
Well, the lecturer/course coordinator is pretty Zionist and loves Jews, and there's always an implicit disclaimer and counterargument whenever she talks about Muslims. The history curriculum teaches about a lot more than just Christianity, I just take all the classes that deal with Christianity and the Medieval/Early Modern eras, kek. The classes about communism and modern social movements are always popular though, so really the curriculum covers all areas of the political spectrum and whatever one finds particularly interesting.
What are you studying senpai?
>I have the same troubles with the people at my Uni
>>72515396
>Oh, I meant that there's a lot of fringe literature about the Vatican
OOOOOoooo gotcha!!! Yeah, I'm sure there's tons of it. Actually I've read a few, come think of it. I've studied the redpill issues enough to know who's behind ...you know, every evil in the world. Actually, that's how I became Catholic! I studied like hell, and realized that the Bible was true and we live in a fallen world , etc etc. I had no idea, I was one of those spiritual-not-religious fools. But here I am now.
I really love History myself, but how often do I get to talk about the Jew's role in it? Only once or twice IRL.
Oh, I'm taking a computer course right now and I'm signing up for a class on interpersonal communication and I want to take something else as well summer session.
Man, the business and interpersonal comm classes are lifesavers. I genuinely thought I was autistic before I started taking them. Turns out I just didn't know the rules. This kinda stuff is invaluable for me in business relationships and life in general. Being charming is an incredible asset! I have an executive coach now to give me private lessons.
>>72502310
That's just a bib with sleeves.
>>72502310
fashion is subjective on the individual's taste, this person just happens to be an attention seeker
also most people have shit taste :^) (^:
>>72515923
getting ready for her ghettogaggers shoot
#empowering
>>72515890
That's interesting, because it's that sort of line of reasoning that made me start to take religion more seriously. /pol/ does a lot of good that way - it has inspired/re-inspired many peoples' faith.
That's great to hear man. I almost studied business desu, it's a very interesting field. It's kinda funny, the things they teach you in these classes are pretty common sense, you often think "Of course! Why didn't I think of that?!", that's my experiences of them anyway. These classes are great for business, yeah. One of the most important things in the business world is to be likeable.
>>72516380
>One of the most important things in the business world is to be likeable
Why the fudge didn't anybody tell me this in college?!?!? I mean, I guess I knew it because charismatic friends had told me that, but I didn't realize it could be taught and your natural talents could be strengthened, etc. Yes, in my experience being personable will get you much farther than actual talent and work ethic. Frustrating, but true.
And *yes*, the stuff I learn from my Executive Coach....is exactly that....common sense stuff that's not hard to understand, but for whatever reason it takes a freaking $100/hr coach to teach me kek!!! It sucks to pay for but since I have to talk to people every day and it's worth it.
>take religion more seriously
Oh, totally! /pol/ actually encouraged me to go through RCIA last year and become a member of the Catholic Church. I'd never been to one before, only been to Prottie churches, so it was a real trip to do the whole kneeling, sitting, peace-be-with-you, etc etc shuffle. I thought there was no sermon, because it was only 11 minutes long!! kek I was always used to the 20? 40? minute Protestant sermons and didn't know there was anything else!
But yeah, /pol/ is good for providing community for people that can't talk about this stuff IRL.
>>72516808
I've got a two YouTube channels that you may like, they deal with charisma and they've helped me quite a bit (I'm a really shy sort of person desu).
https://www.youtube.com/user/charismaoncommand
https://www.youtube.com/user/YourCharismaCoach
I'm surprised that no one told you about the necessity of charisma and likeability in college, it's a vital part of being a success in life. Life coaches really are great and are worth the cost imo, because along with being teachers, than can also be mentors and guidance counselors.
That's a really peculiar point you raised about the sermons lengths, because I noticed the exact same thing, kek. But I suppose different church services put more focus upon different things, and as long as they're scriptural, I think they're all good.
>>72517246
ooooooh...noice! I just bookmarked those channels. I'll check them out later. Thanks, desu!
No, nobody told me a fucking thing in college. I should have studied HVAC repair or something instead. Yes, as I learned from my coach, relationships are the most important part of our existance....so it sucks to spend that kind of money, but it sucks way, way more to be an ineffective communicator.
And yes, agreed, he can be a mentor etc as well. Oh, get this, he's a former Jesuit priest! No joke! So take that FWIW. But yeah, the stuff he's taught me, has been well worth the money. The cool thing is I was taking a communications classs with him while geting private lessons, so he could coach me and then observe me while I was talking to people in small groups in class and give me feedback and tips. I learned some shit I never would have, specifically how I would drop out of a group conversation when I disagreed with the group members, and he taught me how to stay engaged, etc etc.
Yessssss.....the sermon length....I think I've gotten spoiled and based Pastor Anderson is now harder to watch because I'm not used to such a long one. I never used to mind, it was just kind of like being at a lecture, and I always enjoyed those!
The thing with the coach, he's able to tell me stuff in a way that I can understand that's way more effective than just reading it in a book or something....expensive, but I'm not going to learn this stuff any other way.
That's awesome you've overcome your shyness, senpai. I am as well, but I cover it by being loud and outgoing. He taught me how to take it down a notch and engage people on their energy level. Simple stuff, but priceless to me!
>>72517785
That's so weird that he was a Jesuit priest! Well, if he's a total bro, then hats off to him. Wouldn't you feel a bit self-conscious with someone watching how you interact with other people and then completely dissecting it? I don't know about you, but that to me is pretty intimidating. But then again, it would definitely be handy if someone noted how you communicated and gave you tips to improve on it. But I'm glad your coach has helped you out a lot, I just wish that I had one a few years back, I had to learn the hard way, kek. I'm happy for you, man.
Pastor Anderson's sermons are always great, no matter the length. I've found that he has really calmed down over these past few years though, perhaps having more children has calmed his temper or something. If you look at his older sermons, he would get so riled up and let loose quite often. These days, he's a lot more restrained. But if he prefaces a sentence with "Let me tell you something...", you know something hardcore going to go down, kek.
I'm still a horribly shy person IRL, I've just learnt to override it and appear normal. It's effective, but it's also very energy consuming. I end up drained at the end of everyday, I'm sure you understand what that's like.
>>72502310
>What do you feel should be the cultural standard of clothes for men and women?
Instinctively, females want to dress like sluts to attract the top 20% of Chads while locking away all other 80% of men as creepy stare-rapists etc.
This is why they want to free the nipple and shit.
Men must oppress women and force them to dress up.
>>72508083
Has this fucker only got one ball?
>>72518534
Extreme, but I agree. The sexual liberalism movement of the 60s was a mistake.
>>72508987
Watched some kids come from a cathoilc confimation they other day the girls aged about14+ were all wearing tight miniskirts.
I was surprised the vicar didn't send them home to dress properly for church.
>>72518442
>Wouldn't you feel a bit self-conscious
Yes! but he's smoooooooooooooth, this guy. You can't even tell he's doing it, and he knows how to be very gentle. The guy's an expert at communication, and he's very charming. But yeah it's intimidating, but it's do-able and I found it to be well worth it.
haha I have to give Pastor Anderson another try....I didn't realize he'd calmed down....I don't know maybe it's just his tone and cadence and stuff that just rubs me the wrong way....sometimes I really like him, but I have to be in the mood, you know?
>'ve just learnt to override it and appear normal
yes! I know exactly what you mean. Man, it's great to have someone tell me that I'm pulling it off and nobody is thinking I'm weird. The energy thing....yes...I know exactly what that's like, I feel drained, too. You know what was a factor for me? Bear with me on this...I put all converstaions as an 8 of 10 on the importance scale....from talking to my boss to talking to a guy at 7/11 to a job interview. I never knew that before. So I had to learn that most conversations only rate a 1 and should be immediately forgotten rather than ruminated on. Others, like a job interview, it's acceptable to review it in your mind later. Since I rated them all highly, it took the life out of me,and I'd sit and review what I said and someone else said in a conversation that didn't matter at all.
I have to really practice on forgetting them, since it feels totally unnatural. That's the other thing a coach is good for, keeping you honest and focused on doing this stuff.
But yeah, I used to almost have the shakes after speaking in public and would have an emotional hangover for ...hours.
>>72502430
>falling for the "hippies did it" meme
>being this ignorant of a simple, well documented trend
Read a book
>>72519123
oh, yeah, I've seen stuff like that as well and it's really easy to lose my concentration on the mass.
Even at my Latin Mass church there's this one pretty young woman that is into cosplay and she wears a miniskirt with a veil and I have to say she's totally hot but it's completely inappropriate.
I attend a private sedevacantist parish that would definitely bounce you out the door for that, but they're few and far between. I bet a SSPX would say something to ladies dressed too revealingly. I believe the standard is dresses to below the knee and no bare shoulders and head covered.
Back in my day we wore furs like real men.
>>72502310
The fashion trends I'm seeing these days are just annoying. It's like they're trying to bring back all the most cringeworthy aspects of early 90s fashion. Like I'm seeing teenage fuccbois wearing those jackets with the giant patches of color blocks, and for some fucking reason all these teenage black faggots I see on the subway are unironically sporting high-top fades straight out of Fresh Prince.
And I absolutely can't stand those pants that are designed to look saggy even when they're still around the waist. You know, the ones where the crotch area of the pants extends down to the knees and it looks like the wearer is wearing a diaper underneath and took a massive shit. What the fuck is the point of this?
>>72519398
I suppose he has the charisma to make you feel comfortable with him doing that, right? My boss is sort of like that.
I know exactly what you mean. His voice can get a bit grating and draining at times, but if he delivers a passionate sermon, then it's usually tolerable. He has that SoCal elongation of vowels and also that annoying uptalk. But neverminding that, he preaches a lot of good stuff. When I said that had calmed down, all I meant is that he doesn't yell or hit the pulpit so much any more. His beliefs haven't changed one bit.
I can see where you're coming from about the 8/10 thing, that would definitely be quite draining. My brother is like that - he goes all in with every conversation that he has, it's probably why he's on anxiety medication. It's hard to keep him calm when in conversations because he'd just get anxious and start talking over people and stuttering. Did you experience anything similar?
The conversation rating thing definitely seems like a good idea, but I can also see how it may be hard for you to forget some conversations, but I suppose that will come with time as you get more coaching. What really helped me is that I talk to everybody as if they're a good friend of mine, so therefore I don't have to worry too much about what I say and I won't get judged harshly.
That's pretty brutal man, I knew a girl who would hyperventilate when publicly speaking. It's a pretty tough gig.
>tfw find it hotter when women wear dresses that mostly cover them than women who show off everything
>>72520114
This. The revival of the worst early 90s trends is stupid. It doesn't look good and only works within the context of the early 90s. The high-waist stuff that all the girls wear these days just makes them look disproportionate and frumpy.
Do you mean pic related pants? I haven't seen them in public, they're not a thing here. But if/when I do, I will probably uncontrollably laugh.
>>72520588
Agreed. Modesty is such a beautiful feature in a woman.
>>72520659
Yeah, those are the pants I'm talking about.
The most stereotypical trifecta is a black teenager with a high top fade, those stupid pants you pictured, and a retarded color-patch 90s jacket. Oh, and then through those chunky colorful high top sneakers with the velcro latch at the top (also in your pic). Probably why you don't see them in aus. It's straight-up nigger tier shit.
I don't understand the girls wearing those super high-waist jeans either. That was something we all laughed at our parents for wearing. We would call those mom jeans because you'd only ever see 50 year old women wearing stuff like that. I'm guessing it's because these girls don't want to bother having a decent looking body and just wear high-waist pants so they can double as a girdle to hide their muffin top lovehandles.
>>72521028
This black teenager-style trend is coming in now, now that I think of it. The patchy neon jackets and high tops are pretty hip.
I really honestly don't know why they wear the high tops. I can guess that the girls think that it makes them looks curvy and have a nice arse or something. But it only works if theyhave curves and an arse in the first place. Most of them just end up looking like Spongebob - pants pulled up high a la Urkel, covering a completely rectangular fridge-like body.
>>72502310
>caring about fashion
I only wear my own style which is practical and elegant. that's why I am not only more aesthetic but also more handsome than pretty much everyone
>>72521501
Those would all look great on someone who was no ugly as fuck.
Shoes are stupid a shit tho. You are not in the army.
>>72520383
>His voice can get a bit grating and draining at times
oh yeah, you nailed exactly how he sounds. I can deal with the tonal quality of his voice - nasal IIRC - but yellilng just rubs me the wrong way. I agree, he does preach a lot of good stuff. You're right, though, I think the expectation of a Protestant sermon is excitation and energy. I know I'd have felt like it wasn't a real sermon if I didn't get that when I attended those regularly.
Catholic sermons....are nothing like that at all kek. 11 minutes then wrap it up. 15 is pushing it. They're not bad, just not an emotional experience.
>he'd just get anxious and start talking over people and stuttering
kek
yeah man, if I'm tired or just over stimulated I'll talk over people, much to their annoyance. I really have to watch the energy level. According to my instructor it's OK to be excited about the topic, but if it's something that's triggering like a political or sensitive topic and causing an emiotinoal response like that, it's past time to change the subject. That's just not a good communication climate.
Man, that's really nice that you talk to people like that. What I didn't get, is that half of charisma is just letting people talk about what is important to them, and making them feel like they've been heard. You like repeat back what they said to you, ro ask them to tell you more, that kind of thing. If someone sai dthat to me, I'd love them for it.
kek yeah I tried to take an acting class to helpl with performance anxiety, but it was too much for me, pantomimig and dancing in front of pepole and stuff. I'm going to start a little smaller and work my way up.
>>72521620
>Those would all look great on someone who was no ugly as fuck.
dumb deluded shitkid
>>72502310
Nope still waiting for that pre Iron Age collapse level of degeneracy
>>72521501
>dylan roof
>>72502430
It's almost like feminism is a thinly failed excuse for women to be absolute whores
>>72502310
>fashion evolves by just revealing more skin
Seems pretty shitty senpai.
>>72521501
is that dylann roof on the right side? kek
>>72521830
That's one of my issues with the Catholic sermons, there's not much heart behind them. As Trump would say, they're 'low energy'. No doubt they preach good in them, but it'd be nice if it didn't seem so contrived. From my experiences, Lutheran sermons are quite the same.
Your instructor is absolutely correct. If something is affecting you too much, either have a way to compose yourself, or change the topic imo. Otherwise you may end up, as some would say, "hear without listening".
What you have said there is probably the most important part of communication and charisma - making the other feel valued and interesting. Just that alone can get you very far in life. You'd be surprised how important and effective eye contact is too. It is extremely important, eye contact.
There's a book called "The Charisma Myth", I suggest that you check it out, it helped me so much with my public speaking. Be sure to check out those links I sent you too, they have some great tips for public speaking/stage fright nerves.
>>72522696
>As Trump would say, they're 'low energy'
Fair enough. It depends on the Priest, but yeah, I catch myslef drifitng regularly if they're too generic.
I get it, though, as we discussed, it's about the ceremony and worshipping more than it is about my experience. That said, it takes getting used to, or did for me.
>"hear without listening".
guilty as charged. It's soooo hard to disengage. Better for me not to get riled up to begin with.
>making the other feel valued and interesting.
Man, I could tell you on one hand the number of people who were able to do that that I've met. They were all really successful.
I don't really ahve to be as clever or fascinating as I think I do. Sincerely listening goes a long, long way. In fact, those charismatic people I'm thinking of....I can barely tell you what they ever said to me....but I definitely remember they listened like hell and made me feel important..I should pray for those guys....
kek and yes, I despise eye contact for reasons....so it's another thing I really have to practice....on a good day, I'm the most popular guy in the room.....but on a bad day I can't even make eye contact with the cashier at the mini mart kek....I have to work at it
My coach told me my view of myself is based on who I was at like age 8 and not who I am today...they're like yellowed, faded old index cards that I'm looking at when I think of how I define myself, because I'm percieved as outgoing, which is not how I feel at all.
Thanks for the hookup on the book and the youtube, anon! I'm going to Amazon that right now.
Sounds like you're doing fantastic overcoming shyness. Being in a room, having people look at me and answer questions and teach and stuff, that is great that you're able to do it.
>>72502627
kek
>>72506418
>muh dick
>>72523654
One major thing I've learnt about conversations: it's not about you - it's about the person you're speaking to. It's best to keep yourself calm, because being distracted or emotional will negatively affect the quality of the conversation, and the other person will have a less positive experience. It's all simple, common sense stuff, but people just need to be reminded of stuff like this.
I know exactly what you mean about eye contact, it is so true. Some days I'm like a Chad, and others I'm... not. From a personal perspective, this is all about self-image. The way I look affects the way I act. It's best to try to look your best everyday, because this feeling of pride and confidence in how you look will be reflected through your conversations and eye contact levels. Again, simple, common sense stuff. If you look good, you'll feel good.
That's some great advice from your coach, anon. He certainly knows what he's doing. It's all about how you perceive yourself.
No worries mate, I'm glad to help, you're a good guy.
I'll never stop being shy, I'm just becoming better at letting not hinder my life. Many famous, well liked people, are shy. They just know how to get around it. Once you've got the knack, you're basically a normie.
