“If we do not initiate the boys, they will burn the village down.
—African proverb”
Excerpt From: Philip Zimbardo. “Man, Interrupted.” iBooks.
>maybe western society could learn something from niggers
.. “Most of the boys agree that they like that they don't have to give birth, but felt they would be missing out as parents. One boy stood up and said in commercials it's always girls playing with the dolls and boys don't get to do that. When Perera mentioned to the boys that they could be fathers, the boys looked confused. ”
I ain't burning shit; I'm too scared of getting raped by niggers in prison.
>>72297946
its metaphorical, village represents society and "burning" represents disengagement
>>72298097
>disengagement
Is that a big deal?
Why do you keep shilling this book?
>>72298699
Male disengagement = foreign males burning down the village
>>72297187
Yes, it's totally all men's fault and not promiscuous hypergamous women breaking down the monogamous glue that holds society together.
Retard.
>>72298761
Because it answers and agrees with /pol/'s diagnosis as to what is afflicting Western Society.
Surprise, surprise, it is young men withdrawing from society and responsibility due to a combination of factors.
Over-stimulation in modern Western Society has rewired young men to seek a constant state of arousal, whether sexual or entertainment-based. This causes men to disengage from normal life interaction and turns them into the Lotus Eaters of the Odyssey.
>Vidya
>Porn
>Internet addiction
>Media (film, television, streaming)
All lead to the equivalent of constant mental masturbation that stunts men permanently in terms of social skills and education.
>>72299077
Reform the divorce courts and maybe I'll start trying to be a good beta worker bee. Otherwise I have no intention of letting myself get raped in divorce court so some cunt can live off me while she fucks around.
>>72299459
>Reform the divorce courts and maybe I'll start trying to be a good beta worker bee. Otherwise I have no intention of letting myself get raped in divorce court so some cunt can live off me while she fucks around.
>Reform the divorce courts
As in "You do it. Not me." So you aren't interested in shaping the future of the society you live in. You want someone else to fix it for you--like a woman.
Beta as fuck, pham. And supporting Zim-Zam-Zimbardo's thesis of you withdrawing into the digital womb.
>>72298843
>foreign males
.. the boys, they. I am pretty sure they mean their own males, not foreign,
>>72299459
doubt it, at least talking from my own perspective
>>72298761
the only one shilling it is me, and the reason is its a great book. You can easily find it for free online if you dont like parting with your shekels.
>>72299459
why don't you just not get married, you moron.
>>72299692
Thanks for the kat link the other day. I honestly believe that Eastern Europe and the Slavs will be the bulwark of the white race come the collapse in ~40 years.
>>72299660
>>72299660
alright i'll give it a read
>>72297187
>men are 100% to blame
>women are 100% angels
wew
>>72299764
Where I live, if you live with a woman for 2 years, you are married in the eyes of the courts. Just another example of the feminazi run society that these "man up" cucks never talk about.
>>72299788
doubt it, we are just behind US and western societies. Same thing will happen to us once we catch up.
Maybe Russia is different, they have a strong leader and they are going back to their religious roots.
>>72299788
I agree with this too.
What are some slav companies to invest in so I get rich when all of Eastern Europe becomes an advanced society?
Also, it will probably be a lot sooner than 40 years. I'd say 10 years, and that's being generous.
>>72299880
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
His point is that men have a responsibility to guide and maintain society. And when young men abrogate their responsibilities to a society it will collapse.
Your statement also passively asserts that you are powerless and incapable of affecting positive change in your society.
>Oh shit, foreigners invading. Well it's all the foreigners and their shit ideologies fault. So I'll just passively wait for them to fix themselves instead of being proactive and attempting to change things.
We are weak because The Occident has gone too long without strife. We have become decadent.
Good times breed weak people. Weak people create tough times. Tough times breed strong people. Strong people create good times.
This is a cycle that will exist forever until we all die.
>>72300078
>instead of being proactive and attempting to change things.
that sounds hard, fuck that shit
>>72300020
Ah, but the difference is that, by Eastern Europe being behind us and currently immunized to this bullshit, you (and your politicians) will have a perfect view of the collapse and what caused it. You can learn from our mistakes long before you dip a toe into the maelstrom of degeneracy.
>>72299077
Doesn't mention the central reason; Women's suffrage?
Seriously, you remove the female vote, and the ensuing feminization and infantalization of society and a lot of these problems go away.
>>72299660
>Someone else to fix it for you
We live in a democratic society. We live in a society where more women can vote than men.
Unless you want to nullify democracy, that's the way it is.
>>72300078
If you try to change things about immigrants you're arrested and branded a racist by the feminist government. Try again.
>>72299660
>So you aren't interested in shaping the future of the society you live in.
We are divided, demoralized, overworked, our leaders are corporatists and people keep voting them in, and what remains of our culture is being dissolved by mass immigration. I don't see what I could do. Even if starting a family was realistic for me I don't think I would want to anymore.
>withdrawing into the digital womb
kek. I guess...
Personally I can't wait for VR to become a thing!
>>72300078
>His point is that men have a responsibility to guide and maintain society.
They don't. We've ensured that they no longer have that obligation and are in fact actively discouraged from taking on that mantle.
>Oh shit foreigners invading
They were invited here by women.
There is no reason to fight for most men.
And the question is; Should we have one?
We live in a neutered society.
But it's comfortable. Violence is lower than ever before. Life expectancy is longer than ever before. We have the spare time to complain about petty comforts not being up to exacting standards.
This is what the majority of society (women) want. And it's not so bad, is it?
>>72300312
This.
The Greatest Generation and the 50s postwar boom were products of Mencken's bachelor WWI veterans pushing back against Temperence and Suffragette politics.
>>72300278
yeah, good point. but western countries have the example of Sweden, and yet they still follow the same path
>>72299880
>“Those messages from Mom, one of our most important mentors, along with the slew of celebrity mothers, such as Sofia Vergara, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Heidi Klum, being touted as “superwomen” who do it all and have it all, and still look hot at forty and fifty years old, leaves ordinary young women feeling anxious and confused, and eventually leaves them feeling disappointed when they realize they won't have it all—and not even much of what they had imagined and hoped their lives would be. ”
lol, this is basically like the quote from fight club, but a female version. this book provides me with some compassion for women, they are basically as fucked as we are.
>>72299077
All of this is a symptom of our pussified hug box society, not the cause. The symptoms help exacerbate the problem, but they are far from the root of it. That feminist chick had it the closest: it stems from destroying masculinity, calling it problematic, enforcing policies such as zero tolerance that strip people of any conflict resolution skills and opportunities to face problems head on and create an environment of men being sneaky and bitchy hens like women to get back at someone. Add in all the divorce court BS, expecting your wife to do her fair share and not be a whore being considered "sexist", and other unbalanced laws, etc. etc.
What reason is there for men to be men? It's punished socially and legally, and hinders you in many facets of life. I'm not discouraging anyone from being a man, but that's the point we're at.
>>72300078
>Your statement also passively asserts that you are powerless and incapable of affecting positive change in your society.
No, my statement asserts that everyone in the society has a responsibility to maintain it. Even immigrants who moved here because they want to live in my society over the third world shithole they crawled out of. Even women have a responsibility to maintain the society for themselves. To say that is only the natural born men of the society's job to maintain it is a joke right?
>>72299991
Same shit we have here in the states, but the conditions and length of times vary state to state. Educate yourselves, /pol/, you can be forces into a marriage just for sharing a roof. Keep your assets separate, sign separately on leases, and NEVER introduce her as anything more than a friend. What you say even in introductions can be used against you in court.
>>72300597
I hated the message of that movie as much as I hate the quote you posted.
People need to grow the fuck up.
If you really believed any of that shit, you should put in the oven.
from the female co-author of the book, talking about men:
“But that meaningful respect needs to come from doing pro-social things that make life better in some way for their own future and for others. It should not derive from out-drinking their buddies or doing some stupid shit better than them. Popular films and television shows, unfortunately, present few alternatives to this latter asshole image of males.
We strongly believe that television programs could use more men with triple-digit IQs.”
>she seems very redpilled about jews and holywood portrayal of men
>>72297187
>“If we do not initiate the boys, they will burn the village down.
>—African proverb”
lol niggers. Even they know they nig, But this a time the nigs are right. Instead of burning, we will bring ins Islam, so stoning. Mas'allah!
>>72300569
It's pretty true.
We're making the same stupid mistakes of allowing women to influence politics with their endless variations on prohibition, while advocating for degenerate societies.
Who knows if it will change back.
>we need to stop giving young men and boys reasons to turn away from society
>"It's your fault you're doing this to yourselves. Why don't you fix it?"
>>72300167
this is not a cycle, its permanently ruined by technology. aka Unabombers thesis.
unless a collapse so catastrophic that we literally forget 200 or more years of inventions happens the "tough times" won't be coming back
just look at the World Wars vs honorable smaller wars in the past centuries.
>>72300800
Heh, supposedly you can even be forced to pay child support even if its not your child if you started "assuming a fatherly role" somehow.
>>72300933
She seems like she's pushing faggot tier, emasculated men as a desirable standard and then wondering why we have faggot tier, emasculated men.
>It should not derive from out-drinking their buddies or doing some stupid shit better than them.
This is EXACTLY how it should be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpdRWplFjG8
Old fashioned masculine values, especially pointless competitiveness, should be encouraged. It's partly WHY men have retreated into garbage like online video games. Because it's was one of the areas of society that wasn't just hugboxed out and turned into an Attendance Medal event with the uncouth winner-takes-all-mentality cut out so women and cripples could feel valued.
>>72300312
no it wouldn't.
because TECHNOLOGY is the main cause of all this.
women would still be getting arranged marriages and being farm housewives if not for the industrial revolution and machines replacing male physical labor putting food on the table.
>>72300598
if electricity didn't exist, said hugbox society would be physically impossible.
>>72299077
>men just need to be sheltered and castrated even more!
You should die
>>72300598
So men changing their reproduction strategy is something voluntary, not forced. Some men opt to adopt the horn-rimmed glasses and nu-male accouterments. Others do not.
There is, currently, no law making masculinity illegal. There is the ceding of ground by some men to make sex and reproduction more convenient and to reduce friction.
This is the funny thing about /pol/ (to a lesser degree than other AIDs ridden points of view). This mythological beast known as Chad--alpha supreme--gets all the pussy, wins at life, makes big bucks, etc. by being masculine. So he is the winner and is chastised for being such.
So what many claim is the ideal of women--the alpha--is masculinity. And, at the same time, the nu-male is resoundingly rejected here. So which is it?
Is Chad bad? Or is the nu-male?
I think classic masculinity is the answer and the reason why Chad is demonized (along with the nu-male) is because being masculine is difficult. And because of the disconnected nature and self-imposed isolation brought about by the internet age (accompanied with the troubles facing the modern West) men are just giving up.
Zimbardo is offering insight into what is causing the isolation and disconnectedness in an attempt to remove an obstacle to masculinity. But masculinity is still hard--it has always been. So ultimately, if impediments are removed, it is still the responsibility of the individual to take up the mantle of masculinity. Otherwise the war has already been lost. The only question remaining is what savagery will take its place? Islam? Some Socialist Revolution? etc.
>>72300933
a man being a drunk loudmouth in a bar makes panties wet more then a man playing videogames
>>72301277
Chad is still worshipping women. All of his masculinity is only built up to chase pussy , rather than have children.
what we need is making marriage a duty again, not a competitive game. As it has been in every society with a religious tradition.
>>72301277
>chad
>anything more than a pale imitation of masculinity
lel
>>72299660
>post on Facebook that marriage needs to reform to not abuse men
>feminazis harras my employers saying I'm a sexist until I'm fired
>>72301169
That's a fair point.
But we can't turn that back (nor should we).
You could still eradicate women's suffrage and we'd be a lot better off.
>>72301121
>forced to pay child support even if its not your child
lol, the ultimate cuck laws for the ultimate cuck country
>>72301154
>>72301279
well yeah, I agree. One should never listen to a womans formulation of what an ideal man is. They say one thing, but deep inside want exactly the opposite.
>>72301045
Nah, they are saying that the tools of self-destruction were laid before us all.
>Easy access to porn
>Internet access without limit
>Vidya that is purposefully engineered to be addicting (like the article from a psychologist who specialized in addiction who was hired by Blizzard to make WoW as addictive as possible)
If I lay a gun on the table and you pick it up and shoot yourself, who is ultimately to blame? Zimbardo is simply trying to illuminate the issue so more people are aware of the gun in the room and its dangers.
Does he understand the fact that 20 % of men get 80 % of women? Or is he blue pilled?
>>72301095
>honorable smaller wars
it all has happened circa American Civil War, but probably around Napoleonic Wars - in our iteration.
The tough times will come when there won't be a sufficient number of natural resources(up to and including fresh water, fresh air, arable land ) to fuck up carelessly.
The quickest answer for your question is to lower the population of serfs (the middle and lower class), the upper echelons are (currently) always underrepresented and shifting. You might not see it, because it happens over the lifespan of the generation(s).
>>72301259
What the fuck are you talking about, faggot?
Some plebbit numale who beats off to porn all day while playing LoL is considered emancipated and masculine? Fuck off, nigger.
By the way, Zimbardo did an AMA on plebbit and the plebs flipped out just like you are now and roasted him as being "anti-male".
>>72299077
vidya porn internet and media are the only things that will accept males, everything else seems geared to favor cater to and be exclusive or mainly geared for acceptance of primarily women and girls, such as university and public schooling favoring and focusing on promotion of the girls.
>>72301277
>There is, currently, no law making masculinity illegal.
There are a lot of laws that make it difficult though.
>This is the funny thing about /pol/ (to a lesser degree than other AIDs ridden points of view). This mythological beast known as Chad--alpha supreme--gets all the pussy, wins at life, makes big bucks, etc. by being masculine. So he is the winner and is chastised for being such.
You're thinking of /r9k/.
>What savagery will take it's place
You're implying Islam ISN'T masculine. When it very much is. Which is part of it's appeal to lost and confused men in a feminized society.
Young Arabic men in Western countries flock to ISIS, which according to our feminized society is just about the worst environment a person could enter, because it offers exactly the sort of hyper-masculine environment young men, especially disconnected young men, seek.
Even joining our conventional military forces in the west is pointless for young males, as that too is increasingly managed like a feminist bureaucracy, right down to forcing troops to march in high heels, take sexual sensitivity training and be commanded by openly mentally ill sexual deviants.
Just like you can be very sure that if a violent White Nationalist or similar uprising occurred in Western Europe, it would suck in legions of young, lost men to fill it's ranks.
As much of the "Alt-Right" has pointed out, society has done it's best to destroy any "safe spaces" for men and boys to be, well men and boys. And our elders (male fathers and grandfathers and those with social and economic power) support this encroach and destruction. Just look at how they responded to something as benign as Gamer Gate. Rather than saying; Yes, women and leftists, fuck off and leave them alone - They went out of their way to offer their support and help dismantle this culture of "toxic masculinity".
You think things are bad now? The next generation are being raised literally AS women in many cases.
>>72301560
fucking Pareto and his laws
>>72301661
he chose the wrong platform
>>72301753
Throw away your computer and go outside into the fucking woods.
there's no bureaucrats and feminists stopping nature from accepting you.
>>72300569
>WWI veterans
uh oh
A summer camp for Americans. Most soldiers of all armies were older, on average 30 years old - married and with children - like 5 or so already.
>>72300312
This is more likely a cause.
This "freedom" also influenced
>>72299077 's media and trends.
In short, men's are the natural rulers of this world, they're made to do this job. They (do not) understand that this is just Earth, neither Hell nor Paradise. They might long for ideals but shit, somebody has to work for those lazy asses (women).
We ,as a species, are somewhat bend on "rescuing" the highest possible number of individuals, well beyond the healthy bearing ablility of our planet.
No, migration to other planets will only make the problem BURNING like hell, because no constraints would be enforced from then on.
>>72301397
>But we can't turn that back
Except we are, as we speak we are going back from industrial to farm age.
>>72301759
>You're implying Islam ISN'T masculine.
No I'm not. I'm saying that if masculinity is soundly rejected as being too hard or men just retreat into VR hugboxes then we will all be demographically displaced by other masculine societies.
>Even joining our conventional military forces in the west is pointless for young males, as that too is increasingly managed like a feminist bureaucracy
This is wrong and I speak from experience. I post here frequently as a former Special Operator. It was the most testosterone driven environment devoid of anything resembling feminism. If anything they completely objectified women--gangbangs and trains were common in the barracks. The high-heels shit was some shitty fag branch of the Army (they had a female CO so it definitely was not a combat arms unit).
>Two sexual-assault awareness events involving Army ROTC cadets on campuses thousands of miles apart combined to enrage some social-media commenters, trigger an Army Cadet Command review — and probably cause a few sore ankles.
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/04/23/sex-assault-prevention-cadets-army/26235135/
Yeah, it was a fucking ROTC thing which is no surprise considering how kucked colleges are.
>>72301528
These things are a symptom, not the cause. I believe someone already mentioned that above.
Droves of young Muslim men are leaving behind not just porn, video games and cheeseburgers, but the very fundamentals of a civilized society, to go and live out "hyper-masculine" adventure fantasies in the middle east.
There is no reason for white western men to do the same.
There is no motivation. People are generally lazy. If there is no reason for them to be uncomfortable, they won't do it.
Most people would have been happy toiling on the farm for a few hours and retiring to a hot a meal and some booze 500 years ago. But when the New World opened up, tens of thousands of men jumped at the opportunity to put themselves through great danger because there was a goal and purpose.
Likewise, we went from steam engines to landing on the moon in 70 years because there was a designated goal.
That's why there are private enterprises that want to encourage this kind of goal setting to get people inspired.
Of course, when a man does land a craft on an asteroid, for instance, what do we do?
Hound him and abuse him for being a FUCKING WHITE MALE.
>>72301759
savagery !== masculinity
>>72301829
Based pareto, put the beat down on democracy and equality.
>>72301759
>hyper-masculine
>jihadism
not really
you seem to confuse violence with mascuilinity
>>72301277
You're focussing on reproduction, but I mean even beyond that. No ones let's kids and young men explore, fight, learn to sort their shit out, etc. Everything is worth being arrested over because of liability, you cannot confront someone being a dick because they may "feel uncomfortable", and then we have to bring in police or counselors. Oh, and there goes your livelihood if your employer finds out! Schoolyard fights? Nope, zero tolerance policies and police. A kid pinches a girl's ass? (Or even hug them now apparently) sexual harassment, and problematic behaviour!
People used to just let things roll off of them, laugh it off, or handle it themselves. Now, we've stripped society of these tools because of feelings and lawsuits.
Chads and numales are both the wrong way. Being a man was never about being a soft pussy or a machismo douche, it was about having the freedom and tools to tackle situations, but we prevent this now. Reread my first comment and this one. I'm not focussing on the reproduction, what Zimbardo sees are growing, self-stimulating symptoms of a problem that was in the making 20+ years ago, and even a little before that in some respects.
>>72302091
how exactly is this? in the developed world almost nobody even has any conception of real farm work. MAybe if you include the rest of the world as well (china, Africa etc) or if you mean further into the future after a hypothetical global collapse
In order to save society it requires to be worth saving.
>>72302282
>in the developed world nobody even has any conception of real farm work
That's why you'll suffer through it. Everything's gong back to agriculture in most of Europe.
>>72302167
>Bosniak plez
It's not a bad thing to be savage. Wild hunts exist(ed)(because they exist in some way or another - from mythos to Krypteia ) to bring this element of violence during peace.
Islam is of course "wrong" in this hyper-violent phase, but we're living in hyper-pacifistic times, so yeah. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction
>>72302091
How do you figure? That might happen if the west falls to Islam, but that seems a little unlikely...
>This is wrong and I speak from experience. I post here frequently as a former Special Operator. It was the most testosterone driven environment devoid of anything resembling feminism.
It's not objectively wrong. It's just taking it's time reaching certain aspects of the military.
But it will (most likely) get there. It would have been unthinkable for women to be inserted into combat positions in the Marines several generations back. Now it's here.
If you believe the U.S. won't also follow every other Western military and turn into into another quota driven, feminized hug box, your very, very optimistic.
Do you have openly gay members now?
That is usually where it starts.
>>72299660
>So you aren't interested in shaping the future of the society you live in.
Enlighten us then oh wise one.
>>72302167
I'm sorry Nu-Male, savagery is a huge part of being a man.
Again;
>OMG MEN ARE RETREATING FROM THERE TRADITIONAL SOCIAL ROLES!
>BRING THEM BACK! (BUT LEAVE BEHIND ALL THE NASTY, MEAN STUFF WE DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE TRADITIONAL ROLES PLEASE)
Life doesn't work like that.
>>72302200
You seem to confuse a feminist fantasy with masculinity.
>>72299077
So many excuses to avoid the real problem.
Men overstimulate themselves because they feel deprived. They feel deprived because they aren't allowed to be men. And they can't be men because society has decided to replace them with women, who aren't exactly enjoying themselves either.
You fuckers made your bed, you can die alone in it.
>>72300597
your smoking your own dope if you unironically really believe women are as fucked as we are. and i would suggest you go back to tumblr and reddit.
>>72300078
>Oh shit, foreigners invading. Well it's all the foreigners and their shit ideologies fault. So I'll just passively wait for them to fix themselves instead of being proactive and attempting to change things.
If I tried to fix things properly, I'd be locked in prison for the rest of my life. I trust you'd have my back though and bust me out?
>>72302253
I'm not focusing on reproduction at all. I'm laughing at people's demonization of some allegorical male. Hell, I was "Chad" for a period of my youth when I was in the military. I lived among these people. They are just masculine dudes. Sure they have sex, they are also fighters, talk shit to people, and sort stuff out themselves. People here ascribe a negative connotation to them because they have multiple sex partners kind of like every man of every generation preceding this one. It's a projection of many people's fears and inadequacies in terms of masculinity.
>>72302547
>savagery is a huge part of being a man
Being a man is about construction, not destruction. It was the outcasts who invented destruction and thievery. Considering you're on 4chan I understand how you think like outcasts ages ago were cool.
>>72301227
I see what you're saying, and agree to an extent. At a base level, (excluding politics and specific factors) hardships make people rely on family and community, and keeps things in perspective. Technology helps unburden us, making it easier to lead solitary, selfish lives, which makes us believe we need the community less and allows us to focus on lesser problems as the new grand hardships.
A large part of the problem is that very few people truly realise this, maybe if they did, we could have our comforts AND people would make the conscious effort to keep things in a realistic perspective. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.
>>72302095
>gangbangs and trains were common in the barracks
You asked for it.
Give us sauce. Give us greentext.
>>72297187
>niggers
>burning shit down
sounds about right
>>72300867
>don't tell me this shit is gold, I believed in you when I had no ability to do otherwise, now my outlook needs a comllete remake, you bet your ass the cost is coming out of your hide; pocketbooks be damned
>>72302470
There were always fags in the military. Supposedly there is a higher concentration of fags in the US military than in the civilian population.
Military culture is not a monolith but several distinct spheres. The killers are killers. They can play PC police all they want but it won't make women killers.
>>72302700
This.
Bobby Sands and Co. didn't starve themselves to death WITHOUT an entire community supporting them and willing to continue the fight after they were gone.
(not a personal endorsement of Sands and Friends, just an example).
>>72302530
Oh fuck off with your passive aggressive vaginal excretions and go back to playing League.
>>72302616
Who is not allowing you to be a man?
>>72299660
>You want someone else to fix it for you--like a woman
Oh we will be fixing things soon enough, asshole
Remember.
Rights are not given.
They are taken, by force.
See you soon, sweetie.
>>72302724
Again, you peddle a modern, feminized and childish view of masculinity. Then cry when men retreat from it.
Name a great civilization led by great men that didn't also cause a great deal of destruction.
Your Feminist Utopia can reframe the idea of Masculinity all it wants - the results will just be more of the same - Men retreating from their "duties".
>>72302649
studies proof that married women are happier than unmarried women. I know many 30+ hot women who'll end up alone, and the secret thing they crave is to have a child and a husband..
they are just as sad as we are, the only thing they got going for them is whiteknighting by beta males and government protection.
But men are increasingly becoming smarter and dont even engage in long term relationships.
>>72302963
Why would anyone ever marry a girl with a college education?
Initiation is cultural hegemony and nothing more.
Cultural hegemony is anti-progress.
Anti-progress is ignorance.
>>72302982
>cause a great deal of destruction
Yes. To others. Not to their own society.
>UR A FEMINIST
isn't an argument as I'm not a feminist
>>72303091
And ignorance is a tool for development.
>>72302873
It won't make women killers, but the dilution makes men weaker.
The military is going to be the last of the traditional pillars to fall to this, because deep down women know and recognize you need violent men to keep order.
But that said - They are doing their best to ruin it like every other aspect.
Also, it's not about being gay. As you said, we've always had gays in the military. But it legally it was disallowed - even if the law wasn't enforced. I was just curious if you had discarded that rule now, to embrace the diversity.
>>72302934
hes not wrong though. women and men who despise masculinity outnumber us greatly. how would a person even begin to fight this problem in a democratic society and even if you could, whats stopping it from going right back to the way it was in a few years?
in a lot of ways its like a building thats already half burned down. could you stop the fire if you poured enough resources in? probably, but youd have to tear it down and build a new one anyway.
>>72303140
are you a fucking muslim?
>>72303139
You can not build from ignorance.
Ignorance means "not knowing".
Literally.
Where can I download Zimzam's book?
>>72302838
>Sounds like your parents failed you
>Sucks to be you
>>72303223
Not knowing is a position ripe for learning.
>>72303140
>The military is going to be the last of the traditional pillars to fall to this
implying it hasn't already fallen
>>72303113
I never said to their own society.
I said, savagery, as in violence - competition - stubborn behavior and a desire for brinkmanship and dominance - are inherent qualities in men. Trying to suppress the parts you don't like ("savagery") while retaining the parts you do like (creativity, construction) doesn't work.
Especially when there are so many other avenues being offered to men to fulfill these needs.
Like the internet and vidya.
>>72303140
There were no openly gay people when I served. There was a fag that raped a 19-year-old newly arrived ranger when I was in the Regiment. He is doing 25 years hard labor.
>>72303274
>competition
competition is a woman trait
>>72303230
on the internet
>>72303263
That's an ROTC unit on campus. Not even in the military yet. See >>72302095
>>72303091
it's not about the culture, it's about the biology.
Men are a force of CHANGE, either destruction or creation, one springs from the other in a cycle.
By suppresing the violence, you're suppresing the peace. Why? Because no one is happy.
They might be smiling, but they're empty. That's why they're searching - to fill themselves with ANYTHING.
That's why you get a cavalcade of fads from the teddy boys to emos etc.
>>72303216
No.
Do you equate a dislike of feminism and feminist and far left ideals as being with Islam?
>>72303263
That's the bottom rungs. The U.S. military is still less cucked out than most Western nations, for now.
>>72303230
KAT.
>>72303308
What are you talking about? Males have competed for mates and land across several species for millions of years.
>>72298761
its a good book, get redpilled while you still can
>>72303308
If you say so.
Competition is a crucial male trait in my culture. It might explain why Anglo-Saxon's dominate human progress?
We treat a lack of competitiveness as inherently feminine and weak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv9XNFpRdhg
>>72303205
Most people do not despise masculinity.
They despise the immature misinterpretation of masculinity.
Masculinity is about confidence, not psychopathic narcissism.
It's about strength, not fear-based psychotic attacks.
It's about leadership, not fear-based double standards.
What you call masculinity is nothing more than a teenagers immature misunderstanding what of masculine traits are.
Abuse is not masculine.
It never has been.
Cavemen were not narcissistic out of control psychopaths; if they were, them we would not have evolved emotions, control, understanding, etc.
That's basic logic.
Next you'll tell me that fallacies aren't fallacies, bigotry is based in logic, and science and epistemology are part of a conspiracy set up to specifically hate people "like you".
>>72303440
>Anglo-Saxon's dominate human progress
Wasn't that Jews? As Patton said, they love a winner. Not a competitive faggot.
>>72303460
>>72303256
But learning is progress.
You can't be anti-progress and pro-progress at the exact same time.
Again:
Initiation is cultural hegemony and nothing more.
Cultural hegemony is anti-progress.
Anti-progress is ignorance.
No doublethink please.
>>72303460
This sounds suspiciously like feminist doublespeak.
>Masculinity is about confidence, not psychopathic narcissism.
Seriously? This reads like a tumblr post by a 13 year old girl.
Things will even themselves out, but slowly. We're already seeing the slow swing of the pendulum going back to conservative values, I feel like men deciding that being a man isn't shameful isn't far off either.
>>72303308
>competition is a woman trait
I know Bosnia is a shithole, but you can't honestly believe this.
>>72303440
>>72303374
I'm not talking about battling I'm talking about female competitiveness like personal one-up-manship and sports.
>>72303230
links here: from http://downote.phyforum.com/t22217-man-interrupted-why-young-men-are-struggling-what-we-can-do-about-it
the uploaded/net one works
>>72303505
You can't win if you don't compete, ya dip.
>>72303565
But it's true. Zyzz was far less traditionally masculine than a dock worker.
>>72303565
You're better than that Australia, I thought you were Canadian for a second.
>>72303565
That's not an argument.
>>72303635
Battle !== Competition
>>72302707
Chads are opposite extremes of numales, for the sake of this conversation. A true man requires balance between the two. People think being a man is being a Chad, when in reality, it's being an emotional,(though not soft emotion) easily controllable, maybe even somewhat boorish douche, (they're controlled by their need to keep up appearances, easily swayed when ego is played on, and they're that guy who has to constantly wave his dick around to prove himself in some form or fashion, rather than remain humble, courteous and show his strengths when necessary). Numales are the opposite extreme, still emotional, and a soft doormat, yadda yadda opposites of Chad.
They share many of the same weakness, especially in emotional weakness, but you have to pluck their strings in slightly different ways to get the results you want. A balanced man takes the good from both.
But the point is, we do not allow men to develop. I don't want to reiterate all of that other shit I said, but it's the root of the problem. I will agree that the symptoms help worsen the problem and keep themselves alive and strong, but the root has been there before high-speed Internet and tons of online games, and that is what needs to be addressed before you can begin to cure it.
>>72303597
it's the same drive.
If a guy isn't fighting and competing in a war for land and resources, he'll find another way to excise those compulsions. Be it sport or video games or simply arguing in 4chan.
>>72303674
Not an argument.
>>72303653
The problem is, the dock worker is too busy not being seen or heard; pretty conveniently aligns with your definition of masculinity
And the things that are changed to hurt those terrible narcissists hurt the dock worker as well
>>72303565
>This sounds suspiciously like feminist doublespeak.
>>Masculinity is about confidence, not psychopathic narcissism.
How is that doublespeak.
For it to be doublespeak the word has to either carry two meanings or be the opposite of what it is.
I pointed out to direct differentiation.
>>Seriously? This reads like a tumblr post by a 13 year old girl.
You didn't offer a counter-argument and instead tried to insult me to dismiss the argument.
That is actually a classic ad hominem attack.
Into the trash.
If you don't use empiricism or epistemology, then you're not using either proof or logic.
>>72303696
Except it isn't you fucking jihadist. War is a struggle for conquest or defense.
Competition is bored men acting like women ie trying to one-up each other.
>>72303674
/pol/ has truly fallen to the red.dit invasion. There were too many.
>Battle !== Competition
Just by your way of writing I sense you're weak. Either nu-male, autist or both. Or a shitposting troll - but why lose your life for it? Even a minute?
>>72303674
>Competition =/= Competition
What do you think we were "battling" over, ya dip?
The largest set of battles in history were literally nation states competing for resources.
The whole fun of team sports is getting to Play War for fun.
It's also why, here at least, having played team sports like Rugby is almost a requirement to be admitted into the military.
>>72303778
In other words competition without an external threat is just a society hitting itself in the face by dividing single people into different sects.
Look at America. That's what individualist _FEMININE_ competition brought. Out of boredom.
>>72303778
I mean...be honest. You know you're literally wrong right?
War is competition. It's a conflict.
Competition is a struggle for conquest or defense.
Like you're talking in circles.
>>72303778
>women
>trying to one-up each other
Good one. Women don't compete, they sabotage. Competing requires bettering oneself to overcome adversity, what women do is shit talk.
>>72303816
When I fight for my life and the life of my people I do not care whether my rifle looks better than your or if my boots are of a better brand than yours.
You are confusing a struggle with a vain competition.
>>72303820
>competing for resources
Fighting for resources. Not competing for them. FIGHTING.
You are confusing a battle with a competition. And that is a symptom of a lack of masculinity.
>>72303687
But society isn't a monolith standing against masculinity. How is Trump doing so well if that were the case? There are certain small, albeit noisy, minorities (literal and figurative) that decry masculinity at every turn. But who gives a fuck? They have no power over you.
Look what Crowder did at UMASS he straight called Trigglypuff a George-Costanza-looking-ameoba. Was he jailed? No. He shut her ass down and made her an object of derision and ridicule.
That's the point. They only win when you say nothing. When you disconnect and surrender. How the fuck can a fat tumblrista have any power over you as a man that you do not give them?
Zimbardo's point is that by, for lack of a better analogy, unhooking men from the matrix they have a choice. So long as they are plugged in and shut off they do not have a choice and are de facto slaves to the bullshit that occupies the air waves unchallenged.
>>72303767
There is no argument to counter.
You stated a vague and pointless observation of your own devising that has no purpose.
Okay - Being "Masculine" is about being confident (says who?) and not about being afflicted with a double whammy of extremely rare clinical mental illnesses.
Whoop de doo.
Being Masculine is about being STRONG, not a PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC!
Like I said - a tumblr post.
>>72304033
>Not competing
>Fighting
So, like, not Resources, But Objects?
Do you know what fighting is? It's competing.
I'm starting to wonder if this is just a bizarre language barrier issue.
>>72303460
thats great, but it the fact that most women and some men from millennials to boomers misunderstand masculinity wont stop them from voting in candidates and laws that will make it even more difficult for anyone attempting to be either your "immature misinterpreted form of masculinity", and in the process make it more difficult for "traditional masculinity" by fucking over anyone who ever wished to get married or have children or even casually have sex with females without worrying about being wrongly accused of rape.
youre offering a lot of long winded texts about your personal masculine values and no ideas about how to make them the normal masculine values. we know what the problem is, find a solution if you want men to become engaged with the world around them again.
>>72303892
external threat isn't necessarily the decisive factor
more intrinsic to the problem is technological
what happens if technology solves a problem, and then old behaviors/instincts remain?
what happens when you use technology to stop a person with the mind of a kilelr from killing? he still feels the impulses, but there's just some switch you flipped that takes the gun away/stays his hand. what will he do THEN?
probably he'll agitate for feminism/democrats and sue you for racism.
the problem is that technology solves a problem, violence, and whilst previously violent people didn't TOUCH the law, they just kileld people, now they are destroying our institutions because we've forgotten that they're BORN BAD PEOPLE and we give them the right to vote and speak.
it's a little similar to the old thought experiment, if you could rape a woman and give her a pill that reversed the physical effects and made her forget, (a technological solution) then should rape be legalized?
in both situations the point remains. bad people and evil actions exist INDEPENDENT of technological or legal solutions, and suppressing them must remain a focus of society.
it isn't about competition. evil is evil.
>>72304033
A battle literally is a competition.
There's nothing to confuse there. It's literally what it is.
This is a symptom of English As A Second Language.
>>72299077
The true shame of all this is, if men would stop voluntarily distracting themselves from reality and grab this world by the balls, we would once again rule the fucking roost just like how we used to.
Strength in numbers, guys, and right now, there simply aren't enough of us "real men" left to take this world back. Blame whoever you want for the "they" who want to see males waste their time and energy on bullshit, it doesn't matter who is to blame if you're dumb enough to fall for it. Get out of your shitty 3-block-radius routine and shake the fucking bag.
There's no better reason to start a path to self-improvement and self-mastery than to be at your best when things are the worst, and shit's definitely for the worse these days.
>>72304052
>(says who?)
>ALL CAPS
>!
It is you who is the tumblr, Oz. Fade out of this thread and try again some other time, you'll make a proper shitpost eventually.
>>72303937
>Competition is a struggle
It isn't. You are equating something that's different both by nature and definition.
>>72303820
>team sports
Exactly. Team sports. Rugby is a team sport. Tennis on the other hand isn't. Tennis is a competitive sport, that's why it's regarded as girly.
>>72299077
Why blame them?
As if there's hope left for Humanity.
every social facet is tainted with perversion, greed, narcissism, hate, deceit etc etc etc and you wonder why many would rather not engage in what anyone thinks an ideal society should be, because everyone else is a puppet too. Society has fallen too far while fighting the wrong enemy (each other)
>>72304042
>There are certain small, albeit noisy, minorities
No, that's the majority.
There is a small, albeit noisy, minority objecting to that.
>They have no power over you
Aside from the power to jail and/or kill me?
What other power could they have that's more of a threat than that?
>>72304143
Women aren't a monolith. Some women are quite conservative.
>>72303460
This right here, you said it better than I did.
>>72304215
>MUH FLAGS
Like I said - fucking vague and empty platitudes - like a 13 year old girl on tumblr.
>>72297187
African tribal niggers have much more common sense than an average western white man. They only lack IQ, but IQ is useless or even destructive anyway if you don't use it right.
>>72304052
>Being Masculine is about being STRONG
Exactly. If you are offended by other people's stances for example to the point of using nonarguments just to _COMPETE_ in a vain manner - you are not masculine.
All you do is try to emulate a trait YOU consider to be a sign of masculinity.
Pic related, it's you.
>>72304143
m8 you are in a thread about a book by a psychologist, all you will get is long winded text. You know why? Psychologists can't help anyone who does want to do what they think is best. That is why the prescribe drugs for so many things. The drugs can force a change but they themselves are powerless to change those who don't want to be what they think is right.
>>72304256
So accept the final truth of antinatalism, swallow the black pill, and huff CO2 with Eggman. Suicide is painless. It brings on many changes...
>le grow up meme
>le look after single mothers and pay 40+% tax rates and be discriminated against by the government and business
no thanks, NEET life is the ultimate redpill
t r9k
>>72304143
there are quite a few solutions, I dare say, but as the previous anon has stated, they ALL require unplugging to be feasible, because options don't suddenly open and THEN you work at them. you work at them to make them options
1. leaving the west
various asian countries shelter expats very well and can support safe christian lifestyles, but it requires a. a career (that requires work) b. learning a new language (work) c. adventure (not easy.)
2. ethnic enclaves within the west see:mormonism
4-100 stop playing video games
you can't just GIVE these damaged kids a future. I can't hand that to them, to you, or to anyone. the first step is that they have to be not afraid to punch a nigger in the mouth, and stop playing video games
>>72304174
I see where you're coming from but it's not about the point I'm trying to convey, that's a whole other thing, nature vs nurture.
>>72304266
Well Straya sounds like hell on earth if that's the case. Better off killing yourself, man.
>Aside from the power to jail and/or kill me?
images of fat tumblristas pinning you to the ground and sitting on your head, kek.
>>72303460
>Masculinity is about confidence
>It's about strength
>It's about leadership
Sounds nice, but every minion believes that they exhibit this list of trite bullshit
>>72301528
Why would a man who could see a future for himself kill himself? Why does the premise of Zimbardo's book as portrayed here seem to ignore the influence of the pill, suffrage and feminism?
>>72304231
>Competition isn't a struggle
They are synonymous.
>>72304336
It's okay, everyone has their off days.
>>72304231
>different by both nature and definition
uh...No, it's not.
>Compete, contend, contest mean to strive to outdo or excel. Compete implies having a sense of rivalry and of striving to do one's best as well as to outdo another: to compete for a prize. Contend suggests opposition or disputing as well as rivalry: to contend with an opponent, against obstacles. Contest suggests struggling to gain or hold something, as well as contending or disputing: to contest a position or ground(in battle); to contest a decision.
>Exactly. Team sports. Rugby is a team sport. Tennis on the other hand isn't. Tennis is a competitive sport, that's why it's regarded as girly.
>Rugby
>Formal competitive sport
I really think you're confused about some of the words we are using.
shaming is never the answer
you will only drive them farther away
so it takes understanding
why step into a world in the first place when it feels like it's against them?
>>72297187
>keeps shilling this book
>no pdf links
yeah fucking thanks I'm totally going to read this book
>>72304539
Go play WoW then and pretend you're not a minion
>>72304488
I'm telling you that internal divisions are not the result of lack of outside threat. they're a result of genetics.
finding an external enemy to fight won't unify us because the people who are destroying us (liberals) are like a murderer. they'd kill you whether you were nice or not.
we're internally divided because we used to execute liberals publicly. now, theyre the most aggressive, so they become politicians etc.
we need to cleanse them
>>72304536
>Well Straya sounds like hell on earth if that's the case. Better off killing yourself, man.
...And we're one step behind Europe, and one step ahead of you.
>Better off killing yourself, my man.
Or, you know, I could do what everyone else does and retreat into porn, vidya and the internet?
>Images of fat tumblristas pinning you to the ground and sitting on your head, kek.
Yeah, but the reality is pic related kicking down your door at 6 in the morning and shooting you in the face.
>>72304553
What Zimbardo et al are really about -- this is not original, several authors have taken this tack -- is that they are realizing that only men contribute, and they had been planning on building it all on our backs. They are trying to get you to put the collar and manicles back on because otherwise they'd have to pick their own damn cotton.
>>72304557
>Compete, contend, contest mean to strive to outdo or excel
That definition is from a time where 18 year old liberal arts students didn't grow out beards to _COMPETE_ and prove to themselves as well as to others that they're more masculine than thou.
The nu-male beard shit is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Hispterism is literally a womanly competitiveness trying to disguise itself as masculine.
>>72304581
http://downote.phyforum.com/t22217-man-interrupted-why-young-men-are-struggling-what-we-can-do-about-it
or
https://kat.cr/man-interrupted-why-young-men-are-struggling-what-we-can-do-about-it-by-philip-zimbardo-and-nikita-coulombe-pradyutvam2-cpul-2016-retail-t12262722.html
how hard is it to perform simple google searches
>>72297187
I wonder what some African proverbs are about the place of women in society
>>72304553
Because it's co-authored by a woman and it's theme is;
>put down the remote control and go work an 80 hour work week to help pay taxes so single mothers can keep pumping out kids!
>stop complaining about this rabidly anti-masculine society, and show your "REAL, AUTHENTIC" masculinity by marrying a single mother and paying to raise another man's kids!
It's literally feminist, leftist garbage, trying to reframe "masculinity" as being a door mat for women.
>>72304447
You should join me, or would you rather chase dreams to nowhere
>>72304581
https://kat.cr/man-interrupted-why-young-men-are-struggling-what-we-can-do-about-it-by-philip-zimbardo-and-nikita-coulombe-pradyutvam2-cpul-2016-retail-t12262722.html
>>72304582
not everyone is a minion.
strength and leadership are only the most visible components of cultural revival, and not everyone is cut out for those two things.
those "strong leaders" institute policy which gives common men purpose that they can contribute to, such as families that don't leave them and take their money.
we need to force women back into marriages and burn the outspoken ones as witches if we want to harness our racial potential
>>72304684
For hurting trigglypuffs feelings? When was this law passed? How many victims so far?
>>72304741
You've lost me now.
I don't know (or care) about Eastern European grooming standards or understand why it's relevant.
How many of you faggots will marry and have children?
>>72304778
>how hard is it to perform simple google searches
how hard is it to include a link in the first post if you want people to read something? you're here to persuade us, not the other way around
Basically "men should continue to put forth all of the work society demands even though society no longer offers any reward for this"
get this feminist garbage out of /pol/
>>72304901
>men should continue to put forth all of the work society demands even though society no longer offers any reward for this
Is it really? Prove it. I'm suspicious of your words. Give excerpts that prove your post.
>>72304798
>>72304798
is this hyperbole or what. I doubt anyone here has actually read the book
find me a quote plz
>>72304284
the laws dont make themselves. someone is voting for them or people who make them. and it must be in decent quantities if things have progressed this far this quickly.
>>72304478
>give up on your homeland and people
>give up on your homeland and people
>stop doing what every young man naturally stops doing when he grows up and gets a job and family
youre treating the symptoms, not the problem. fix the laws that fuck young men over when they try to participate and theyll happily participate on their own. sex and a decent relationship > endless masturbation and videogames for nearly all men. go to /r9k/ and ask which theyd rather have if you disagree
>>72304778
Googling "man interrupted" only comes up with that shitty movie "girl interrupted"(thanks fuzzy search :|)
The author's Wikipedia page doesn't even have this book listed
>>72300078
>His point is that men have a responsibility to guide and maintain society. And when young men abrogate their responsibilities to a society it will collapse.
Society has ensured I'll never receive female affection, my tax money goes to things that enable women to act like spoilt whores and the poor and young are fucked over by the old and rich. Fuck society I don't owe it shit.
>>72304901
>Fight in a war for the betterment of my own society and preservation of my own culture!
>Get this feminist shit out of here! Life was a mistake.
Fucking cowards. In the end they all say the same thing.
>>72300312
Must be convenient blaming everything on women eh?
>blaming it on 'arousal' of porn and vidya
>not blaming it on the how western civilization has become a cuckolded jewified matriarchy ruled by MUH FEELS and "YOU'RE A WHITE MALE" is literally the SJW libturd fascist's justification for demanding white guys accept becoming third-class citizens in their own countries
into the trash it goes
>>72304989
>Society has ensured I'll never receive female affection
uhehehehe
>>72304989
>my tax money goes to things that enable women to act like spoilt whores
so what. If it's a problem fix it nigger don't abandon your nation just to one-up your countrymen.
>>72304946
What laws exist outlawing masculinity?
Links please.
>>72304901
Are you a dog who must be given treats for every good deed he does?
>>72305030
He is a faggot but to be fair a woman is not equal to man. If she were we'd all be men. The west is trying to doctor exactly that artificially, and you can see the results.
>>72304857
>When was this law passed?
1995.
>How many victims so far?
Too many to count (it encompasses a wide variety of other offenses, like stalking, so it would be impossible to tell accurately).
>>72298939
Prove that hypergamy is an actual phenomena. (Spoiler: just like interracial marriage it is pretty rare and not gender exclusive)
>>72300597
No it was more along the lines we were told we could suceed if we work and most of us have found out that is not the case. Add the fact western women are hypergamous std infected whores and here we are.
>>72304946
when did I say to give up on the west
solution #1 was to take a white woman to a foreign country where she is legally powerless
solution #2 was building ETHNIC ENCLAVES within our own country, such as mormonism
what the fuck is with you, dude.
trying to change the laws to favor us is like trying to arm wrestle andre the giant. solving laws is neither an INDIVIDUALLY successful solution, nor is it going to work on a macro scale because if you haven't noticed, we are losing even very simple things such as "should arabs be allowed to rape little girls in sweden?"
you talk about MOTIVATION, well guess what, no mass movement to change laws provides individual motivation because no individual life improves
individual lives improve through building a career abroad, or building an ethnic enclave BOOM, your whole legal solution is solved, but it takes work.
>>72305159
>that is not the case
lol what
>>72305093
>Working for free
Fuck off Commie.
I certainly don't work for people who work actively against my interests.
>>72305030
I'm not the one complaining and looking for something to blame. That would be Zimbardo and his feminist legions.
I'm happy not giving a fuck what happens to them.
>>72297648
>I want to play with dolls too
>You can have a small human being that you'd have to take care of for 18 years, instead of a plastic doll that you can play with at your leisure
>the boys looked confused
>>72305039
>>blaming it on blacks not being educated and committing crimes
>>not blaming it on the how white men have criminalized being black and ruled by WHITE SUPREMACY and "YOU'RE A NIGGER" is literally the white man's fascist's justification for demanding real niggas accept becoming third-class citizens in their own countries
Congratulations! You're an honorary nigger now, Tyrone!
>>72304989
what makes you say that. I was kissless until I was 20, and now I'm 30 and I've slept with more than 100 women, all of whom under the age of 24, some of them (a minority of them) were even wife material.
don't say shit like that. eventually the culture will change and we will give masculine status to even losers who pick up a gun and kill muslims and niggers. at which point we'll FORCE a woman to marry you
>>72304941
Find me a quote that refutes it.
The only quote we've seen posted so far supports this view of the material.
>>72305153
>prove evolution exists
wew lad
>>72305272
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BERNOUT PARADISE
>>72300078
Young men didn't abrogate their responsibilities, society told them they aren't needed.
>>72304478
>religious baggage
>"anybody with a hobby I don't like isn't a real man"
>>72305030
Must be convenient blaming all of society's problems on video games.
>>72305048
>implying single people can change the course of the entire country without the oligarchy's permission
"be perfect or shut up" is a logical fallacy.
>>72305153
>implying "women cheat" needs proof
>>72305048
>>Society has ensured I'll never receive female affection
>uhehehehe
Thanks to constant validation from internet dating and sjws and numales even the fattest of women believes she deserves a Brad Pitt clone.
>>72305272
>Keep breaking your back to pay for women and leftists to survive!
Or not.
>>72305395
>Young men didn't abrogate their responsibilities, society told them they aren't needed.
No one told me that. Quite the opposite. But I had a father so maybe that's where you went astray.
>>72305285
>I was a stunted manchild
>now I'm even MORE of a stunted manchild, but don't worry my dick has been in a lot of vaginas so it's OK.
woof dude, you should have used that time to do something other than masturbate into women's bodies.
>>72305286
Are you sure you're not a muslim? You're eager to advocate that white men should abandon their countrymen.
>>72305405
So? Avoid shit women. Problem solved.
>>72305286
then post that quotes from above. not everyone read the whole topic doofus
further, to a certain extent women SHOULD shame men who don't have a career, etc. if those men feel shame, then they'll realize they're being screwed and take action
if too many steam valves exist, pressure doesn't build.
if you find a woman who likes you despite not having a job, you're found a woman who would also date a nigger. that's not the kind of standards we need for society
>>72304894
I dont want to encourage pirating, if you are rich, you should buy it.
>>72305159
whats worse, half the money you earn gets taxed and you end up paying for things you hate (corrupt politicians and useless bureaucrat, retirement and healthcare for old people who left nothing but debt, and of course muslim immigrants if you are a rich western country).
>>72305435
It's okay, every society has its share of cowardly faggots that take whatever dick is pointed at them. The good news is that even if things do get better you'll always be a bitch nigger.
>>72305435
>your woman is an enemy to you goy
inshallah motherfucker
>>72305440
America sounds like a paradise.
We're LITERALLY told that from day one of our education here.
Apparently society will flourish and succeed without Toxic Male intervention.
No more wars, etc.
I wonder what's causing the problem in the U.S., if you're so radically opposite of the rest of the western world?
Just video games?
Because we didn't really get the internet and good video games until men had already started disengaging.
>>72305506
Ohohohoho, WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>72303008
because men only get one thing out of it, sex. (and even that is not always true) and for it are required by law and social and relationship rules and demands and western social norms and implications to give up a lot of things and put their lives reputations income and well being at risk even in an age of economic hardships and decades of male-mockery media brainwashing that causes even more negative stigma implications, not to mention knowing what hell our fathers (if we were lucky to know who our fathers even were) have had to go though when resources for funding and maintaining a family were arguably cheaper in terms of purchasing price to income ratios to come by. look at the family formation numbers and new home construction numbers.
>>72305465
Its easy to trade one self destruction for another.
>>72305256
lol, yep.. fatherless boys tend to get confused. I have a feeling the number of homosexuals and transexuals will rapidly increase over the next years.
>>72305465
masturbating into women's bodies is a pretty good hobby man, don't knock it
what SHOULD I do with my time? WORK more? play MORE sports? READ more? learn ANOTHER language? I already do a lot of all of the above, and I happen to also have lots of sex. deal with it. I'll build a family in a few years.
>>72305066
the divorce laws and family laws of nearly every state, for starters. youre a fool if you honestly believe women dont vote for whatever conveniences them the most.
>>72305171
>trying to change the laws to favor us is like trying to arm wrestle andre the giant. solving laws is neither an INDIVIDUALLY successful solution, nor is it going to work on a macro scale because if you haven't noticed, we are losing even very simple things such as "should arabs be allowed to rape little girls in sweden?"
which is exactly what i was getting at from the beginning before you went on a rant about what your opinion of masculinity is. this is why men
>>72305651
this is why men drop out of society*
>>72305333
it doesn't
darwin's false ideology is the root of a lot of the strife that this thread is complaining about.
>>72305488
No. Not a Muslim.
It's not "my" country anymore. It's a multi-cultural society - a nation of diverse, unconnected, culturally opposed people.
Which is how the majority of voters want it.
If I was to actually be a "REAL MAN", I WOULD abandon my society and attempt to start a new one.
That would be the logical course of action.
>further, to a certain extent women SHOULD shame men who don't have a career, etc.
They do. But we live in a post-shame world. Which is why it can be legally restricted to shame women for getting fat, having sex outside of marriage, having sex with blacks, being single mothers or having STD's.
You can't ask for one without the other.
Well, you CAN...You just won't get it.
Zimbardo is a Jew.
His book, his theory is disinformation to protect Jews-- to protect Jews in education that doesn't serve white males anymore, the Jews behind the dissolution if the family and fatherhood, Jews behind the disenfranchisement of white males generally, Jews behind feminism, Jews behind reduced opportunities for social advancement.
This is what Jews do, goyim. .
>>72305599
>because men only get one thing out of it, sex
woah there bwoy easy now. I know I said woman and man are not equal, but to believe only thing you get out of a woman is a moist hole is ignorant.
You know that our purpose is to find a _life_partner_? A woman that you will support and that'll support you? And together you support your children?
Did you grow up in a broken home?
>>72300198
When an alpha lion meets another, the first to bow loses.
>>72305759
>It's not "my" country anymore
Why are you talking then? You are talking about other people's business.
>>72305651
I know why they're dropping out, but by no means should we encourage dropping out. alternative solutions exist. more millionaires in america are moving to CHINA than vice versa. when CHINA is a viable option, it's a pretty strong signal to the ruling elite that they fucked up. send that signal. masturbating to anime doesn't send a signal, nor a threat.
we should all be moving to utah if we are serious about what we believe. dropping out is not an option.
>>72305506
Oh no! Mean words on the internet! Whatever will I do now! I should definitely put down the controller and go and volunteer at a domestic abuse shelter so I can marry a polyamorous single mother and pay for her to sit at home bitching on twitter all day and demanding I get a second job to hire a nanny for her kids and a cleaner to pick up her shit! Otherwise you might call me a faggot again!
>>72305513
It's funny, because I'm engaged to a Jewish girl.
The system has crystallized into it's form, it cannot be molded, it can only be shattered and remade
To do so will require men to die fighting, and nobody is ready to fight and die yet.
>>72305763
> Zimbardo
> Noticeable absence of -berg
He's a Sicilian goy. Just look it up.
>>72305882
>Oh no! Mean words on the internet! Whatever will I do now! I should definitely put down the controller and go and volunteer at a domestic abuse shelter so I can marry a polyamorous single mother and pay for her to sit at home bitching on twitter all day and demanding I get a second job to hire a nanny for her kids and a cleaner to pick up her shit! Otherwise you might call me a faggot again!
I heard you loud and clear. You gave up on yourself. You gave up on your country. You gave up on the future. You should give up on this thread.
Actually no. Stop. STOP. Everyone STOP.
I just realized something.
The manchildren dropping out of society instead of bending it to their need are literally culling their genes by doing so.
We should let them.
>>72305966
Pretty much. No one invited them to post. They just need validation that their descent into oblivion is justified.
>>72305845
I wasn't aware the book only pertains to men who live in homogeneous societies.
I mean, it seems to be directed at American readers, who certainly don't live in a homogeneous society.
>>72305759
granted. but the limitations on free speech are placed there in order to strengthen waning aspects of power
shaming men to get jobs only results in more men with jobs, which grows OUR power.
get a JOB. then WHATEVER they say doesn't matter because we can buy a wife and lock her in the basement, or move to russia, or WHATEVER you want to do.
these anti fat shaming women only effect losers without a job who can't control their women because they're poor/stupid.
I have NEVER once had a woman say I can't criticize a woman's weight. these speech restrictions dont' apply to me, they apply to YOU. so make money and become the type of man who it doesn't apply to.
>>72305599
>not to mention knowing what hell our fathers (if we were lucky to know who our fathers even were) have had to go though
well my father was basically a real life Al Bundy. No fucking wonder I dont look forward to repeating his mistakes.
>>72305763
well, even if it was true, he still showcases the reasons (methods used by jews) which caused this to happen. for example:
>destroying the family unit (money handouts to single mothers)
>government protection of women
>schools and female teachers
>no role models for males
>>72299880
Echoing your wew here. Wew squared.
>>72305285
>FORCE a woman to marry you
>>72304989
>my tax money goes to things that enable women to act like spoilt whores
>>72305171
>take white woman to a foreign country where she is legally powerless
>>72304842
>we need to force women back into marriages and burn the outspoken ones as witches if we want to harness our racial potential
..and yet I still wonder how and why women became feminists
>72305798
I support traditional marriage but this life partner bullshit is part of the problem. she is not your partner. she is not equal. she is the mother of your children, and she does what YOU teach her, and she WILL get boring eventually, but you value her precisely because she does what YOU say, and that creates obligation. if she doesn't do what you say, because she's a "partner" evntually the obligation is lost.
The village needs burning down. Wu wei.
>>72305951
No, I'm doing fine.
I did however give up on my country - which is irrelevant because my country gave up on me and mine several years before I was born (1975 being possibly the key date and nail in the coffin).
>You should give up on this thread
lol, why? Because you don't like your shilling for a feminist screed being mocked?
Maybe you should stick to pimping it on venues where you won't have to face criticism, if you're that thin skinned.
>>72305852
i mean, youre not wrong, but good luck convincing normal people of that. let alone your /r9k/-tier NEETs
>>72300312
Winrar.
>>72298097
Will they start the fire?
>>72305966
we need them as cannon fodder in the war to come. good men alone are outnumbered by subhumans
>>72305966
lol.
I'll have 2.5 kids while you're busy trawling tinder wondering why women aren't responding to your hyper-masculine thick framed glasses, top knot, bow tie and carefully cultivated beard.
>>72306134
It really is no wonder you've slept with so many "wife material" women but still haven't gotten married.
>>72306157
IDGAF. Post all you want. Men can smell weakness on others and your perfume is surrender married with nihilism.
>>72306014
I already have a fucking job.
I could make a lot more money, but for now I don't need it, and I resent earning more money by working harder so fucking parasites like Trigglypuffs can mooch off of it.
And, as always, ALL parties will provide these amenities for said parasites, because handouts win votes, especially from women.
>so make money and become the type of man who it doesn't apply to.
You mean an American?
I don't want to move to America. You're heading in the same direction as us at a faster speed with a bigger crash looming.
>>72306119
Feminismus came into existence first, only after did men realize holy cow something's wrong. I hate to agree with autismus but woman is not equal to man. If she were intended to be equal to man we'd have Adam and Steve.
>>72306268
>Feminist
>Calling other men out for being weak for not being Strong Male Allies
Meine sides.
