I want your honest opinion on atheism. No memeing
>>72291124
The star of David stands for the Jewish people, not the religion.
>>72291124
I think agnosticism is okay since you are modest and can't say whether or not there is a creator. Out right denying there is one seems just as silly as the arguments they make against God though.
The fact is, science can only define how the universe works. It cannot define how and why it was created. There are much bigger questions people don't have answers to yet and to automatically assume that we just die and go into the dirt to create more plants and life is absurd. We are aware of our surroundings and we have logic and reason.
How could simple science define any of that?
>>72291124
Daily reminder that Christianity is simply just a combination of Greek, Roman, Babylonian, and Persian mythology.
>>72291124
I think religion is a good way to unite people but you shouldn't let religion dictate your everyday life
It is just as much of a religion as what they hate. The main thing that they railed against, shoving it down people's throat, is exactly what they do
>>72291124
I think people who agree gains creation are wrong be cause how was the universe created and why ?
Honestly? I don't see how anyone can actually be an Atheist. I think it's a super selfish belief system. Every atheist I've ever personally known has been such a dick. I know that's not right to judge an entire philosophy based on the people I've known, but the truth is, I've known dozens, and it's the truth - all I've known are dicks.
I don't know, I'm a religious person, and agnosticism is a fair belief system because it's a humble stance where we say "I don't know." Atheism says "I know best" and that's idiotic.
>>72291124
Starting a religion to purely debunk other religions does not equal a healthy lifestyle.
Agnostics are as far as one should go
If you're an Atheist then you should know life has no meaning, existence is a cruel joke played on us by accident and consciousness is a tragic mistake.Just a malfunction in our brain's operating system.
If you believe all that then you may as well just kill yourself. Makes as much sense as doing anything else and it helps to bring to an end the absurd folly of living.
Just don't forget to curse your parents for dragging you into this unhappy world in the first place, right before you go.
>>72291488
Just like with any demographic, there is a loud vocal minority who hold extreme views. In the case of atheists, that view is that all religions are ebil.
>they
there are plenty of atheists who dont hold the attitude you describe. Only internet fedora lord atheists are militant.
Atheism is stubborn ignorance. It demands total authority to proclaim the last word on the nature of reality. It rejects mountains of evidence, innumerable experiences and the history of human thought.
>>72291124
Its the most Jewish religion of them all. Look at all the Jews in this pic.
Atheist in general is fine...
But most atheists are now FEDORA wearing, SJW, libtards
>>72291462
That's the point of Christianity - to let it dictate your everyday life and the way you think, otherwise it would be Catholicism or some other form of role play.
>>72291632
you have never read Nietzsche and have a huge misunderstanding of nihilism.
>>72291541
You know what's worse than you thinking all Atheists are alike?
That Agnosticism is a middle-man/mutually-exclusive.
Please, stop with that shit. Self-identifying Agnostics are closeted Atheists who are openly intellectually-dishonest hiding behind the veil of Agnosticism.
>>72291632
I'm an Atheist and I don't believe one thing you just typed.
>>72291124
>b-but church is s-stupid
These are the same people who blame baby boomers for our shit economy.
>>72291925
>Self-identifying Agnostics are closeted Atheists who are openly intellectually-dishonest hiding behind the veil of Agnosticism.
Kill yourself with this retard tier logic
>>72291401
There are American Indian tribes with creation myths involving three spirits that created the universe in several days, with human beings being the last thing they created.
also
I don't see how the polytheism or parables of Greek and Roman myhtology translate to Christianity. Serious question.
>>72291541
>Atheism says "I know best" and that's idiotic.
Religions do the same thing.
Anyone who claims to fully understand how the universe works and cannot allow for any alternative explanations is a dipshit and belongs in the trash, regardless of beliefs.
>>72291632
No one thinks this. You only get one life, may as well treasure it and enjoy it as best you can before you die. Experience all there is to experience and make your own meaning by what you find is fulfilling. If you don't, you may as well kill yourself because you were never really living in the first place.
That's the only practical difference between the religious and the non-religious. The religious find their meaning through a predefined institution. The non-religious make their own meaning. Neither are right or wrong. They just are.
>>72291925
>Self-identifying Agnostics are closeted Atheists who are openly intellectually-dishonest hiding behind the veil of Agnosticism.
So please elaborate on this one. How can saying 'I don't know' is the same as 'I know'?
personal beliefs should be kept personal
>>72291541
Atheism is more like I don't know but I know you're wrong.
>>72291124
Mistaken, obviously, but generally the whole discussion of atheism ends up being pretty damn stupid as no one speaks on how empty a term atheism is.
If I say 'atheism' it doesn't say in what respect you deny or don't support certain views, it doesn't imply materialism necessarily (an actual view with substance behind it), and it ultimately says nothing of value whatsoever about your view.
It's the equivalent of saying "I'm not with these guys". It doesn't say which groups you are with, in what way you are not with these people, it says absolutely nothing about your view to any clarity.
All you can just say is that you disagree with them and the self-proclaimed atheists can hold all the cards because they need not prop up any views themselves as they're only defined by denying something vaguely. They benefit from shitposting rather than propping certain views.
Now I have a lot of respect for people who will argue for atheistic views and have active discussion about clashing views (like say a monist v. a dualist) but there's a large support for some stupid reason of just defining yourself as an "atheist" and it is at best childish and at worst intellectually dishonest.
I assume this confusion comes about from ignorance of theism. They consider "gods" to be a class of being to themselves which isn't the case at all.
Now I do have my problems with different atheistic views but you'd have to speak on what views we're talking about as there is no collective claim to be said of every view that exists that atheistic.
>>72291124
As a religion, I find it a hard pill to swallow. I mean, atheism isn't just "Hey, I don't really know--there's stuff in religion that just doesn't add up, but I can't claim to have all the answers." It's the smug assertion that there is no God, no miracles, no anything, we're all just here by a series of cosmic coincidence, our lives have no meaning, and that anyone believing otherwise is unbearably stupid (retroactive to todays standards of everything).
Their followers are by far the most vile scumbags I've ever encountered--atheism is the de facto religion of the regressive left. The religion itself adds to the social cancer they represent, so things like making a better future for your children doesn't mean shit; in fact, why even have children at all? But while we're in the process of laughing at everyone for putting their faith in a higher power, lets make sure the government has all the power and that we put our faith in it, because when we grow old, the government will be the ones who will force other peoples' children to pay our social security expenses :D :D :D.
>>72291519
You must be 18 to post on this site
What am I saying, like every post in every atheism thread is this stupid anyway
You guys should have moved past this point of understanding in high school, I'm speaking to nearly everyone
>>72291124
A belief that bitter, often young socialist/communist are very fond of. They usually have a disproportionate arrogance that only their vanity can compete with. Abandoning christianity was a grave mistake that becomes more and more apparent every year.
If the 20th and the 21th century taught us anything is that mankind is really fucking shitty at having belief system on it's own
If you believe in miracles, ghosts, spirits, messiahs, other supernaturalness outside of a deity.... You're a faggot, congratulations.
Anything outside of that is understandable. Proceed with your existence.
>>72291124
Atheism claims to take a "logical" or "realistic" stance to support it's claim. Even when all scientific evidence leans towards a creator, be it divine or otherwise, yet still remaining rigid.
This is why I lose minor amounts is respect to outspoken atheists. You claim to align yourself then disagree with that which you align with.
Tl;Dr you're the child in the room of religions going "LA LA LA I can't hear you!!" With your fingers plugged into your ears.
>>72292299
It's a self-explanatory word. Theism is believing in deities. Atheism is believing in no deities.
Those are the positions. Anything else has other words for those positions.
>I assume this confusion comes about from ignorance of theism. They consider "gods" to be a class of being to themselves which isn't the case at all
Elaborate.
>>72292380
>atheism is the de facto religion of the regressive left.
Not at all. The regressives hate Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris with a passion, and fucking love Islam. Most regressives are "agnostics" ie pussies or consider themselves "spiritual".
>>72291124
It's the grandest lie in history. To see the patterns in the Universe, the unlikeliness of History, the Agnosticism or Science, and the Theism of Philosophy, and believe there is nothing Supernatural is incredible.
The ability to throw away thousands of years of beliefs on a dime, and never even research an argument, but believe your right is beautiful. How can a people be like this? How can one stare at the Fibonacci and stare at Pi and still say "There is no God", the fools.
They are as University Marxists who believe they are oppressed, and not privileged at all. The ones who disdain logic, and yet claim to champion it. How can one see the Universe and claim that something greater than the Universe made it, yet say that a God is impossible?
I am in awe. A truly regressive, and degenerative group of people. I have nothing but sympathy for their victims, and wish they find peace.
>>72291734
all the atheists i've met in person have been 'internet fedora lord atheists.'
the kind of person who tries to give you a lecture if you say "bless you" after they've sneezed.
could some of the alright people i've known have secretly been atheist? it's possible, but i'd need peer-reviewed scientific data that reliably predicts future events in order for me to accept this notion.
>2016
>Still believing Jesus Rode a dinosaur
Holy shit
>>72291124
Believing in a God and believing in a religion are two different things. It's very possible that a God exists, though there's thousands if not millions of religions out there.
I'd say agnosticism is the best because it's open to both sides. It's just as stupid to claim God doesn't exist as God does.
Atheism is the reason why the modern age is so decadent
>>72291124
Most modern atheists take a strawman version of God (le magic man in the sky, which only the plebbest of the pleb have believed) and act smug and intellectually superior for not believing in this strawman.
God is metaphysical, but atheists ignore the metaphysics and treat God as a physical being (where is God then? LOLOL stupid xtians XDDD)
When you have a really, really, REALLY bad day there are times when Hitchens and Dawkins aren't suffice. I'm talking about when you've done EVERYTHING you could possibly do and still you're barely meeting rent, the doctors say your grandpa is just getting worse, etc
I don't care what you believe in, and most of it sounds like nonsense to me. But sometimes this life shit is hard as fuck, so as long as you're not hurting yourself or others I can't knock someone for trying to believe in something that simply helps them get through the day.
t. former christian, atheist, buddhist, whatever the hell makes sense at the time
i would, but this is /pol/ so it's LE DEGENERACY!!! FEDORA FEDORA
deus vult, am i right, guys?
>>72291124
Agnostic atheist here.
I don't care if you want to believe shit or not believe shit. Agnosticism makes more sense because you really can't know but if you feel like you're sure there's a God or there isn't one, fine by me.
if you aren't an agnostic you're a fucking retard
>>72292687
ok. out of the people you met, how many of them tell you their religion? Not every atheist is super vocal about their lack of beliefs.
>>72293113
Elaborate
>>72291488
>72291488
>1488
>14/88
Kek
>Bible tells you to kill people
>People say they believe in the bible bone do that
>People start changing parts of the bible to suit the modern age
>People just change religion to fit their needs
Never got this meme
>>72291632
Read some Camus.
>>72291124
Anyone who doesn't believe in ALL religions is atheist in relation to some worldviews/belief systems.
Being atheist doesn't say much about what a person does believe, because it's describing the absence of something. However, there probably will be some traits that will track together - but "liking Science" does not automatically make you a Secular Humanist.
Lastly, fuck The Amazing Atheist, guy's a stupid asshole
>>72292888
> God exists
> Bible says so
> Bible can't be wrong
> Bible says so
I don't believe in God, but I think atheists are dicks. Your banner sucks. You've become what you hate.
>>72293307
Yeah, that's an example of the strawman I'm talking about. It's annoying to see atheists use it as a serious argument (it's not)
>>72292599
>Even when all scientific evidence leans towards a creator
It doesn't though.
But there is no scientific evidence that there can't be a creator either.
>>72293156
You don't know shit about what's true and what's not. I assume this guy means agnostic as in agnostic/gnostic and theist/atheist, where the agnostic/gnostic describes what you are sure of and theist/atheist describes what you believe.
>>72293156
There's no hard evidence to suggest that any religion is true, and the same can be said about Atheism. Christianity is a bunch of faiths thrown together from pagans, totemists, animists etc. Islam is from some medieval cunt who just wanted to be powerful. Don't know much about the other major religions.
Atheism cannot prove that there is no god, they also worship science almost religiously most of the time. How do they know that science was not created by god?
For most people people, religion is just an ethnic signifier. Atheism implies both deracination and antisocial tendency.
>>72292830
You have no idea of how odds work. "you sure can roll a lot of different numbers on this one billion sided dice. I like to think that there are only two options: Rolling a one, and everything else. Since there are two options, it makes sense they are equally likely.
Agnosticism is either a social placation for religious friends, or pure stupidity.
>>72293307
I don't think I've ever heard a Christian use the bible as proof in my life.
I've seen plenty of Atheists use this strawman though. kek
>>72292644
>It's a self-explanatory word. Theism is believing in deities. Atheism is believing in no deities.
Yes but as I said 'gods' isn't a class of being, it is an umbrella term for a wide arrangement of things with great difference in ontology and relation to nature. "Deities" is just the same. Hell, all middle ages scholars understood God to be the ground of being itself rather than a being inside or outside the cosmos and now we have evangelicals and atheists arguing about it both with the pretense of God being understood as a being inside or outside the cosmos. It's absolutely uneducated in nature.
Given this variety, does you not saying anything but "I don't believe in that" say anything about the manner in which you do believe? Does it leave room for other conceptions? Does it at least inform people of what you think at all?
No. It doesn't.
Hell, some people realize that atheism is an empty term and like to disingenuously fill it with all manner of shit. Think Dawkins saying how pantheism is just a "sexed-up atheism", which implies that atheism is a kind of materialism (it can be but isn't specifically) and that there is a class of being called "gods" and it's disingenuous to call the universe such (which is ignorant). This sort of thing just gets more confusing for people as they go from forms of pantheism to panentheism and other stuff. They're just unaware of their own ignorance.
I don't have a problem with atheism in and of itself. I don't believe in god, personally.
But my issue is with "atheism". You know what I'm talking about. The form of atheism that's just another branch of cultural marxism, serving no purpose other than to tear down our society's values. And of course "atheism" only really stands in opposition to christianity, because like with everything else having to do with cultural marxism, it's just about putting down straight white male christians
Furthermore, I'm of the opinion that the masses cannot operate without some sort of religion. People as a whole are too stupid and can't think purely rationally, and will always put their faith in some bullshit. Traditional religion may be down in the western world, but all these atheists are really just disciples of the religion of progressive liberalism. Liberalism is the new religion and the SJWs are the new puritans. They dogmatically cling to their patently false beliefs and it perfectly mirrors an actual religion. Just look at the cult-like way they react when someone challenges any of their viewpoints.
Whether religion is true or not, it is necessary to keep a society whole and morally grounded.
>>72292678
A god is improbable. It's much more likely that every single concious entity itself is god. Each being at their purest is an omniscient, omnipotent force. Omnipotent powers cancel out other omnipotent powers though, so they had to create a separate universe from the formless one they started from, and then decided it'd be more fun if they weren't all powerful, and didn't know jack shit. See how far they can get as finite beings with no knowledge or power. What else is there to do when you know everything and can do everything? The only thing to do is handicap yourself for more fun.
A single being above all is too..Human of an idea. It's a kingly trump card style of an idea. The ultimate, "my dad can kick your dad's ass" card. You can't beat the, "I have the most powerful thing in the universe that you can't usurp, so better listen to *me* or else" card, man.
It just makes the universe into the ultimate totalitarian dictatorship and places yourself at the lowest rung on the ladder. Why would you voluntarily believe in a system too obviously made to drive home a sense of inferiority?
>>72293456
I forgot I was on /pol/ for a minute, thanks for reminding me.
>>72293307
>never read the bible
>collection of books
>all books written by people who had a "divine encounter"
>all first hand accounts passed down for generations
>copy and paste this explanation for majoroty of every religion.
>>72291632
>if you dont believe in mr sky fairy you should killyourself
lmao
>>72293397
>>72293483
1) not an atheist
2) plenty of Christians have used that argument. Would you like to prove the existence of God and how your religion is correct (and others are not)?
>>72293507
Basically this.
christianity >>>>...>>>> judaism > islam >>>...>>>> atheism
>>72293397
But philosophers actually do use similar arguments
They have a whole class of arguments dedicated to this type
http://www.iep.utm.edu/ont-arg/
>>72293721
>he only knows abrahamic religions
Eastern religious philosophy is pretty based.
>>72293721
This desu senpai
I'm an adult and I have a legit imaginary gf to cope with the crippling depression and loneliness I feel on a perpetual basis.
>>72291915
I didn't mention nihilism once you autist. And btw Nietzsche is utterly irrelevant. You pop-phil cunt.
>>72293576
> we're supposed to assume first hand encounters never changed when being passed from family to family and stayed the same through the thousand or so years they've been out there
> We're supposed to take their word for it, because it's not like they could be just stories or attempts to garner power/influence or even drugs. Plenty of things could explain how people got these images of Angels/God but really didn't.
>>72293627
It's a long process (which is why you see a lot of atheists nowadays; Christianity is a hard religion, but it's the right one) but the first thing is to realise that A God exists, in an impersonal sense.
>>72293770
Not the same thing. "Greatest possible being" and that line of argument are philosophical and don't require any prior knowledge of the Bible to be understood.
>>72291124
I am atheist and I feel really dumb being one simply because I've been living in my cuckshed for all my life and being a wageslave too, I'm just terrible all around. The worst part is the thought that it(my life) has been engineered by some merchants.
>>72293861
>life has no meaning, existence is a cruel joke played on us by accident
sure, no nihilist views here.
>>72293507
I don't think that's true. "Spirituality" might be necessary but faith is a bad actor.
>>72293721
Atheists are just useful idiots. They don't want to subvert the fabric of society like the Jews or blow themselves up like Muslims. They're just annoying people on the internet. Not fun to deal with, but ultimately harmless and powerless in most respects
>>72293499
I was under the impression that to deify a force was to personify and Humanize a natural occurring element. Such as ancient mythologies seeing the sun move across the sky and saying that it's doing that cuz there's a god actively pulling it. Or that natural weather occurance are the products of intelligences beyond us.
There is a difference between saying, "I don't believe in that" and, "I believe that it is not true".
Why don't more Athiests go postal? If they truly do not feel there is nothing to answer to after death why do they bother struggling to survive? What good to morals do them when they do not get to do what they really want?
>>72291925
ok so your brand of atheism is logically inconsistent and so you have no right to accuse others of being irrational.
>>72293910
Fucking maximum kek, you're doing it again. And I already told you, i'm NOT an atheist. God could easily exist but religions could easily be false.
> "long process" yea, it's a pretty long process if you're told the same shit since birth.
> "The right one" Let me guess, someone told you this as a child, you grew up and just took it for truth. There's literally no way to prove that your religion is the "right one". Hell, Islam could be the right religion (though I highly doubt that considering Muhammed was basically a war-mongering pedohpile).
> Yea, i'll realize that God exists because someone on fucking 4chan told me
>>72294016
>ultimately harmless and powerless in most respects
Just like your God, eh?
Waste of time as a belief system and meaningless as a personal identity. Empiracism inevitably leads to
atheism and admittance of the percieved truth of nihilism. But it destroys any purpose and meaning to itself. From such a perspective what purpose does the persepective hold? Nothing. Ignorance, knowledge, truth, falsehood, atheism, and religion are all equal under such a framework. Namely a net of zero. Your correctness gains and loses you nothing (with the obvious exception of friends). The religious man's life like the atheist amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things. But the issue ultimately lies in certainty. Empiricism deals with the falsifiable. And atheism deals with the unfalsifiable. Thus if we wish to be intellectually honest we must permit the admittence of doubt, and so it is perfectly reasonable to say we are agnostic atheists based on empiracism. Or we can choose to be agnostic and religious if we prefer. The course makes no difference with the exception of the event that the religion is correct. But such a thing is only falsifiable after our death and so remains unanswered. Under the framework set forth the belief in religion is also perfectly acceptable. Such a belief, while typically outlandish to the empiricist, offers the potential for the acquisition of meaning.
>>72293569
>A god is improbable.
>Have some Satanism instead.
Go back from whence you came, Liberal filth.
>>72291925
> prove God exists
You can't.
> prove god doesn't exist
You can't.
You need to understand religion and god are SEPARATE. we have absolutely no idea what existed before the big bang.
>>72293910
>Not the same thing
Ontological arguments are hardly different from tautological ones. That is why I view it as similar.
>God exists because the Bible says so
Is not so different than
>God exists because the definition of God implies it
Both are non-empirical
>>72294146
I'm basically just posting a bit before I go to bed, and what I meant by "it's a long process" is that I don't have the many hours at the very least to guide you through it
>>72294024
If your only reason for not doing bad shit is because you'd get punished for it, you're not doing it right and you'll still burn in hell.
I don't believe in Abrahamic versions of a supreme being, but I don't need one to give me morals.
>>72291124
The HIV that has inflicted AIDS upon Europe, which is now succumbing to the infection that is Islam.
>>72294024
I'm willing to bet that most atheists are also hedonists
>>72291401
Don't forget Jewish and Egyptian
>>72294024
Lack of morals doesn't necessarily mean they will go around killing people. There are plenty of other reasons besides fear of eternal punishment that would prevent someone from doing that.
But their lack of religious morals does have effects. For instance, they have significantly fewer children, because they are nihilistic and hedonistic, and don't give a shit about the future of their people or anything of the sort.
>>72294231
What I stated isn't satanism. There's many forms of satanism, but even levayan Satanist don't believe they are spiritual gods. They reject the idea of souls or an afterlife alltogether.
>>72294370
Then you have another higher power then. You do not call it God though. You do nice things for that tingly sensation, you do things to feel good about yourself and your self esteem. Same thing, different name.
>>72293983
I'd like to solve.
Was the kekes race car not?
>>72291124
Its cancer. /pol/ is CHRISTIAN, no matter denomination.
I'm glad /pol/ is still a large part Christian or theist. It's lonely to be a Christian in this generation :(
My faith has really returned lately. I struggled for a while but now I feel at peace with God, and I did it by studying the philosophy of theism and enjoying classic Christian art.
I love you guys, the atheists too. You give me some hope for good men in this evil world. I'll pray for all of you and I hope you will do the same for me.
God bless this board :)
thought experiment 1: If god is all powerful and all knowing, what's the point? Do you have free will?
>>72291541
Yea I agree I'm agnostic because I've met some of the judgmental cunts your talking about. You probably met the younger generation of atheists who were never really religious and are now atheist cause Charles Dawkins is a mad cunt and they want to identify with scientists. Most of the older atheists tend to be less like assholes because they were usually deeply religious once and understand why people practice and believe religions.
>>72292569
Anything outside of that is understandable.
Explain women without implying they're all crazy. You argument is invalid.
Atheists are destroyers of nations and are degenerates by nature. Only slightly better than the Jew, the Atheist is easily manipulated and barely even human. Existing only to fuel his own selfish hedonistic desires, he worships his lust and pleasure rather than the Creator who is blessed forever amen.
Furthermore, the Atheist, not content to simply be a degenerate animal himself, actively propagates his filth and seeks out others like him whom he can corrupt and enjoy degeneracy with.
The Atheist pushed gay rights, abortion, feminism, marxism, race-mixing, civil rights, communism, pornography, and every other form of human degeneracy on earth.
The Atheist is only slightly better than the Jew in that he can be reformed and is not, genetically, evil. However this is his only redeeming factor, as nearly all of his humanity is stripped away the moment he renounces faith in God.
>>72291394
a mistake
I'm atheist but fucking hell atheists have become complete retards in the past 10 years. I seriously would rather live in a society where only Christianity is allowed than the shit we live in now.
>>72295295
You worship a Jew as a god, the whole point of Christianity is that it is Judaism for goys.
>>72294945
the idea is that he has given us free will and lets us have it.
It's an interesting question and gets into some multiverse type questions.
Tomorrow when I wake up I will pick a bowl of cereal to eat. My belief is that God knows which brand I will choose, but it is still my choice.
>>72291124
I honestly dont give a fuck as long as you dont infringe on my right to believe what i want as a christian
I can tell you this though, from what i have faced: it doesjt matter what your religion is, you are the person who gets up in the morning and decides what kind of person you want to be
>>72295295
As stated earlier, the Atheist is not content to live on his own and quietly practice his degeneracy in private. Instead he is boisterous, loud, uppity, and entitled. He takes great pleasure in corrupting his peers, and even more in corrupting children. Atheists spend large amounts of money and time targeting children, they are absolutely obsessed with them.
Children infected with the Atheist mind-virus are hateful towards their parents, given to lying, addicted to pleasure, and filled with a desire to fornicate. Atheism truly is a cancer for any nation.
Atheists often complain about religious people being controlling and oppressive. Ironically, the Atheist is himself incredibly oppressive, he just does a good job of hiding it.
Every now and then, an Atheist will slip up and reveal their true agenda.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/bill-nye-open-criminal-charges-jail-time-climate-c/
>>72291124
It's the natural position to take if you care about facts rather than myths.
Atheism is just a replacement secular religion for degenerates that exist solely to shit on theism by acting in the same manner that theists do. If you don't want to believe in god then don't, you don't need another religion to not believe in god. Stop subscribing to this subversion designed by filthy commies to destroy western culture.
Whether god exists or not is entirely irrelevant because the wisdom, morals, and values of the bible are the blueprint of western civilizations, not whether or not some spooky ghost exists. All atheism does is focus on one stupid part of religion which is just there so that people with low IQ follow it and become better people instead of chopping off people's heads whilst completely ignoring everything else that is good about religion.
Atheism is the reason why no one sticks up for western values anymore and it's why western civilization is going down the drain because it destroys a system designed to create children above replacement rates with these instilled time tested conservative values in favor of barren wombed feminists and obese liberal SJWs. Atheism doesn't even make sense because you can't scientifically rule out that a god doesn't exist, why not just be agnostic and leave religion the fuck alone like reasonable people do?
I'm not a particularly religious person but if I had to pick between Christianity and being a [current year] faggot degenerate then I'd happily choose the former.
Ignostic Agnosticism is the way to go
>>72294902
>My faith has really returned lately. I struggled for a while
brother never forget that in the times of noah ,only noah and his family got saved the rest of the world was to evil
The main problem most of the christian pol users have with atheists is that they are associated with liberal views they also associate with hedonistic behavior.
Think of how stupid the average person is with 100 IQ. Now realize there is 3-5 billion other people stupider than that. In order to create a society that can sustain itself, leaders in the past relied heavily on lies and promises of everlasting life and punishment to get their people to do things correctly. It is likely the first religious leaders of any group were atheists that lied to their children and neighbors in order to bring them together and have them willing to die for the greater good of their people.
I've meet many conservative atheist that hate how people are bandwagoning onto atheism because it is compatible with Marxist views. The truth is that the lack of belief of a higher power doesn't cause someone to think they should become some AIDs skrillex faggot.
>>72294576
My higher power is myself. You're right we all do things for fuzzies, but the difference is religious people will pretend it's for God's fuzzies to remove the guilt, but we all know it's for the person doing it, and people like me can admit that.
I personally do not want happiness or the pursuit of it. I'd rather be useful, honorable and compassionate.
>>72294945
Knowledge does not necessitate experience. God knows everything and contains all information but that does not mean every bit of information has been replicated in reality. If I know that my daughter who loves cookies will take one from the pantry tonight, that does not mean I overrided her will and forced her to eat cookies. It merely means that the knowledge and information was correct.
>>72294576
>You do nice things for that tingly sensation, you do things to feel good about yourself and your self esteem.
Christian here, only post I'll make here (not interested in yet another debate). I'm a cold-blooded realist. I believe because the evidence leads me to this conclusion. I believe in God and have zero warm fuzzy feelings in my heart that "makes me feel good." The opposite is more often true.
>>72295472
Please look into this more friend, it's simply not the case. The Jews have basically Jewed the Christians into a coma. Christianity has been dead set against the Jews for the last 1900 years. It's only in the last 100 or so that things have been reversed; this Zionism movement of "SUPPORT ISRAEL AND BLESS THE JEWS" is a new phenomena that is pushed as part of a political agenda and pushed through the Jew-owned Bible Colleges and paid-off Pastors and Teachers who pump out false book after false book full of junk for doctrine.
Jesus called the Jews as a whole serpents, vipers, thieves, etc., and called them the sons of the devil. In Revelation the Jews are referred to as "the synagague of satan", and several other places teach that the Jews have been stripped of their title for blasphemy against the God by not accepting Jesus (and killing him). The right to be the children of God has been stripped and removed from the Jews and given over to those who beleive on Christ.
tl;dr - the Jews have been disowned by God and replaced by Christians.
Look up Marching to Zion. Good introductory redpill on the Jews and Christianity.
>>72295557
I think the argument is, is it really a choice if the outcome has been predetermined? If the result is known to god, it must mean that is the result that will always happen.
The test for free will is quite simple IMO. All you have to do is ask yourself, if you knew the outcome to your next choice, would that knowledge affect the outcome, or would you having that knowledge only reinforce the outcome?
>>72294017
>I was under the impression that to deify a force was to personify and Humanize a natural occurring element. Such as ancient mythologies seeing the sun move across the sky and saying that it's doing that cuz there's a god actively pulling it. Or that natural weather occurance are the products of intelligences beyond us.
This isn't entirely wrong, but there is much more going on than that.
>There is a difference between saying, "I don't believe in that" and, "I believe that it is not true".
Well yes. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.
>>72291401
>forgetting Norse mythology
>>72296836
>If I know that my daughter who loves cookies will take one from the pantry tonight, that does not mean I overrided her will and forced her to eat cookies. It merely means that the knowledge and information was correct.
God from the moment of creation would have known that your daughter would eat that cookie and is directly responsible her actions. It's like playing chess with yourself.
>>72297081
no god just knows the diffrent endings what could happen . Eat the apple of eden or dont, watch tv or go outside and stab 10 people
>>72297081
I cannot see how anyone can believe that lives are predetermined by an intelligent being. If that was the case, then why would such a being choose for me to masturbate in my apartment and shitpost on /pol/? What sense does that make?
Atheists are scum.
Did you know that the Boy Scouts doesn't allow in atheists but it allows in religious homosexuals?
That's right. Even butt-fucking faggots who are Christian are seen as less repulsive than atheists.
Atheists are the lowest of the low because they believe in no higher power. Therefore they can pick and choose their morality. They have no scruples. Why would an atheist even think that a man raping a woman is wrong at all? Isn't that what animals do? Without any sort of religious background ANYTHING is morally acceptable to a person.
Fuck atheists.
>>72297489
if he doesn't know the ending that WILL happen then he isn't a god at all
french canadian here
anyone can tell me what Peter Hitchens said at ~8:20 after he said ''if you drive god out of the world''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuuJKLSG3dw
>>72291124
son, God forgives you
Most Atheist just want to start shit.
>>72297719
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
he is not god or we have become more like god
>>72297176
how is free will so hard to accept when you have it yourself?
Do you actually believe Dindu's didn't do nothing because "cops are racist and made them that way"?
Either you believe in free will and God is off the hook for your bullshit or you reject free will and blame God for your problems; which is Dindu-tier philosophy.
>>72291124
There was a line from House that pretty much perfectly summed up how I feel about God, went something like "we believe whichever option we find less frightening". I think some people believe and some don't, and you'll never convince someone from the one camp to switch to the other.
>>72291124
son, my imaginary friend advises me on what kind of money you should be making and how many hours you should work to earn it
sucks to be you
>>72291124
>>72291124
Atheists ate edgy teens,you'll come to realize the true religions are Eastern religions.
I think it's fair to say that our mind is what gives us this strange thing we call conicousness and with death it will leave us as quickly as it had joined us.
I rather believe in a complex rationale of how religion could exist and lie to myself though and use it as an excuse to help others/comfort myself
>>72293777
i know some about the buddhist philosophy but t's so removed from my life and culture that i figure i should just strengthen what i already know
>>72298740
Pic related at CERN
>>72298740
>>72298898
>>72298199
dindu's do stupid shit because they are stupid and like most stupid humans they will try to put the blame on others or give excuses.
You will do whatever your brain thinks is the right thing to do. At the same time you're always influenced by past events. So in a sense, you do have free will but it is deterministic.
What i'm getting at here is that it wouldn't make sense for a god to create his own universe that he knows what will happen from beginning to end. If he didn't know what would happen, then he isn't a god.
>>72291394
>automatically assume that we just die and go into the dirt to create more plants and life is absurd.
You are right anon. I mean, so what if we can actually observe this phenomena of people dying and turning into "dirt" to create more plants on a yearly basis. I mean it's really absurd to not believe that we have a soul and that soul goes to a magical place after they die. I mean how could science possibly explain how these life-cycles work? with Physics? Chemistry? Biology? Psychology?
On a serious note you are not special anon, none of us are, but as humans we all are an amazing feat of organized disorder. When people say God is responsible for something I take that to mean they don't know how it works. If believing in a god or multiple gods makes you happy that's great for you. I'm not going to tell you to stop because your life is your business. However, I don't want to hear any of you religious fags complaining about Trannies as suffering from mental disorders because I hate to break it to you, you are suffering from a major one yourselves.
>>72294329
>I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm going to drop out of this argument before I'm called out on my circular reasoning again
Night anon, don't forget to say your prayers before bed.
>>72292097
>I don't see how Roman ethics could have translated to Christianity
>What is Roman Catholicism
>>72291124
>Jewish religions are the only religions
>This is literally what stupid Western untermenschen believe
KYS
>>72293569
>It's much more likely that every single concious entity itself is god.
It's time to put down the joint and liquor.
>>72291212
Here's your idiot of the day.
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>>72291124
Its eh. I get it, I'm not one. I'd gladly explain why to an atheist who was interested but I'm not an evangelizing person. The Bible tells Christians to spread their faith by their actions and only use their words if necessary.
>>72299469
>god to create his own universe that he knows what will happen from beginning to end. If he didn't know what would happen, then he isn't a god.
But he does know what is going to happen the end result is always dead and then after heaven or hell
>>72300995
why would he create someone that he knows will go to hell?
>>72301168
he does not that is your choice he will only try too guide you that is your free will power, power to be like god.
see >>72298100
I disagree with them but they can think what they want. I wouldn't want to live in a muslim country where athiests are killed.
>>72291632
Just because someone knows life has no ulterior meaning doesn't automatically cause them to become an emo faggot
>>72298100
One of us.
Us.
US.
El-ohim. The GodS. Not God.
Massive mistranslation.
>>72291124
the problem is not atheism, it is atheists.
wanna know how to spot an athiest?
don't worry he will tell you
that's why we have all the memes
atheists are just like trans and queers, nobody actually cares what you do or believe
so it is really fucking annoying when they go around shoving it in people's face
>>72301793
You are either all powerful and all knowing or you aren't. It's like saying you can sort of be like an unbreakable wall.
You do what you do because you are who you are. God should know that and knows he created you. He would understand any action you made and would know he is responsible for his creation.
>>72291124
>ITT: people talking about god and logic.
Logic doesn't make sense when talking about god. God has no shape or form, god doesn't "know" or "do" things. Even saying that he does or doesn't exist is pointless.
A painter isn't himself painted. A poet doesn't rhyme, the poem does. A composer doesn't have melody, key, harmony or rhythm. Those rules are applied to the music, not the creator of it.
How can you expect to use the rules and logic of this world and apply them to god?
>>72291124
I have an imaginary friend. I graduated with a 4.0 GPA and landed a 130k job right out of college due to my research. While I was in college, I used to spend a lot of my time exploiting popular software. I now spend my time studying machine learning as a side thing after work. It's possible that I'm stupid and just a really good impostor, but I think it's unlikely.
I'm also agnostic. My imaginary friend is a qt tulpa.
>>72302161
i dont know why it is the bible that way , his angels, his spirit
>>72291212
thats one and the same thing
>>72302192
In america maybe, no one brings up religion in this country. The country secular, yet most of the population considers themselves catholics. And yet absolutely no one cares what are you, unless somehow the conversation pops up.
>>72302312
Because he created us in his image?
Heretic.
>>72302293
you have an option to kill dindus or let them live.
say i know that u hate dindus so i am confident u will choose to kill dindus. in fact, i know u well enough to know that u will choose the kill dindu option. Do you not have free will cause i know what you will choose?
>>72300433
Enjoy eternally chucking yourself and believing your existence is owed to the biggest single power in the universe, as if everything about the universe doesn't scream dualism and cyclism.
>>72291124
I don't see a problem with it because if god really exist then it can understand that men can doubt something that wasn't proven to exist in the slightest, it's just a basic human trait.
>>72302192
Right because atheists knock on your door weekly trying to convert you.
Because atheists form higbox, echo chamber safe spaces for eachother by purchasing land and constructing permanent buildings that get in the way of useful things that could be built there.
Because atheists use highway billboards to try and convert you, or print the same book for thousands of years and put them in every office building, waiting room, and hotel in existence.
Because atheists make television channels and shows about their group ideas and beg for your donations constantly.
Because atheists have their own countries with atheist only rules, and use their numbers and influence to change world politics or influence wars and economical changes.
Because atheists strap explosives to themselves, children, and animals, and blow up innocent people in populated cities.
Because atheists gather every day around a giant holy relic in a giant holy area and give their praise and money out.
You need to die in the most painful way possible.
>>72294252
Prove to me you don't owe me money.
>>72303265
found the athiest
>>72293440
There is a historical record of science, so we know it wasn't brought down by angels.
If you look on wikipedia they distinguish between atheism where you don't believe but don't assert the nonexistence of God, and also the other type you're talking about, where someone claims specifically that God doesn't exist.
You and most people here argue that most or all atheists are the second type, but I disagree. Most are the first type, like me, who have the position simply of, "Is there a God? I doubt it."
No faith in God's nonexistence involved.
>>72303602
Dude nice counter argument you sure showed him
>>72303837
R A R E
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Also other thing, you guys know the "innocent until proven guilty"?
Well it's the same with science, religion and basically anything in the world.
It does not exist until you can somehow prove it does.
Because let's be real, if i were to say that
>There are magical dicks floating around every Canadian and Australian raping them in all the holes but they can't be detected with anything known to man, but don't worry guys i had this vision yesterday night and it's all real
What now? Are you going to argue that this is real despite the lack of proof and that everything i said could very well be just pulled out of my ass? Of course not because it's ridiculous.
Now imagine some guy going into the internet and start saying that his father is the god that created the world and his mother is a virgin. Just try to tell me you wouldn't call this person a complete autist...
And didn't bible say something like "On the first day god created animals" and things like that for the whole week? Then how are you going to explain the amount of planets there are in this world? Before people didn't know that there is more than one planet and tough that earth was the entire world, could the religion be wrong?!
>>72291124
More proof that you can't be an atheist without being that "Stop liking what I don't like!" guy everyone hates.
atheism and theism.. the two are not equal opinions
the former is merely the inability to perceive God
>>72304204
Which god?
>>72304204
>pretending only you are special enough to perceive the incomprehensible
The special snowflake cognitive dissonance every religion fag has, guys.
>>72304249
it doesnt matter which one, only the existence of one
>>72299829
This
Any religious believe (and non believe) is like a penis. Its nice to have one but dont push it in everyones face.
>>72304249
God, just God. it's the same thing.
>>72304355
>thinking that it isn't the God-given right of every soul to line in alignment with God
>check my pic.. it's related
>>72291124
You can't really prove that there is or isn't a god, but we can theorise. If you think about it, what is the ultimate goal of humanity? Why are we investing so much to exploration and discovery? To know more about the world, the universe, to better ourselves as a species. So what is the ultimate goal? To become immortal and omnipotent, to become gods! I think that one day, if we do not destroy ourselves along the road, we will reach a level of existence where we will be basically gods. So, in my opinion, if there isn't a god there definitely will be.
>>72304537
>live*
btw
>>72291777
>evidence
Honestly, say a few evidences and ill look them up
>innumerable experiences
This doesnt mean shit people thought so many idiotic things, all of these experience are most likely (not saying necessaryly) bullshit
>history of human thought
The argument being? We thought many things that turned out to be bullshit, just to tell you one example, the medicine in the dark ages. People are generally bad at thinking.
>>72304579
>So what is the ultimate goal? To become immortal and omnipotent, to become gods!
that's pretty dumb, hungary. power never made anyone happy or fulfilled.
God was never a rational proof. it's a pretty dumb thing to judge it by the standards of science and then arrogantly declare thousands of years of tradition to be barbarous superstition. as if people are smarter than they were before
>>72304794
God isn't a thought that somebody came up with. it can't be translated into language. language as symbols, particularly metaphor, can only point to God. do not confuse the signpost for the destination.
you either see it or you don't. there is no proving God to anyone, really. it's revealed to you when it's revealed to you, i can't say how it works. but it'll probably happen when life humbles you, if i had to say
As an atheist I hate the more extreme fedora fags more than I hate most extreme Christians. If you do or don't believe in a god fine, don't be a fucking faggot about it though
You cannot just disprove God. I think I saw a documentary which explains in detail about why you cant. Forgot the name.
You cant explain reality and self awareness either.
Imagine some programmers make a program that can simulate the functions of a brain. Is self aware and is inside a computer. Put that program in some computer simulation model, like the game The Sims. Now we are simulating their world and they are aware of their existence. But they cant see us. Dont even know that we exist. They cant prove it. Or even disprove it for that matter.
How can we be so sure that it isnt happening to us? Can we also attributes all those miracles that the people claim to witness in the past centuries (aka prophet hoods, sights of God etc) to the simulation glitches? Or our simulators having fun with us? Or teaching us not to destroy ourselves?
The best answer is MAYBE.
>>72291124
There's nothing to say about it because it promises nothinng. Sure you may have some atheists out there that are convinced they feel enlightened through their disbelief in a god, but it was not atheism that told them to think that way, it was they themselves that convinced themselves of it.
>>72303199
you just explained faith
>>72304836
I never said that! Religion wasn't barbarous superstition, religion payed the way to cultural development, and ultimately scientific development. Without religion, there wouldn't be civilization. Religion was and largely is the cohesive force that binds humans together, from ancient mesopotamia up until the present day. In the western world religion was largely replaced by what we call "science" whit all its pros and cons. Religion don't have to prove the existence of god, it's an absolute. Science actually can prove and also disprove the existence of god, but ultimately the scientific road will also end with humanity becoming god. So what I'am saying is that every road leads to god no matter what you believe in.
Not particularly a fan of commenting on these posts but as it hasn't turned in a complete shitpost... I often find that atheists, from my personal experience, tend to only attack Christianity and they go out of their way to do so. Here is a very interesting article which is worth a read. If you truely don't believe then I would challenge you to try to disprove his existence.
>In b4 illogical shitposting
https://carm.org/answers-to-positions-held-by-atheists
>>72303265
>You need to die in the most painful way possible.
humz you just proved your own point
I have no problem with atheists as long as they keep it to themselves.
The problem is way too many atheists are attentionwhores who constantly have to let everyone know they're atheist--even though there's no reason anyone would actually NEED to know. There is literally no situation where letting us know you're an atheist would add anything to the conversation.
Am I still an atheist if part of why I don't believe in religion is because I don't think an omnipotent being that could create a universe would bother telling us jack because we'd be nothing more than an ant farm to it?
Or does that make me like a fucking agnostic or some pleb half measure shit like that?
>>72291124
Like all things, it's danger as an idea is only dependent on how many beliefs the believers have and how much pride they have for their belief.
>>72291394
you are being too hopeful that there is something meaningful to life. We will never know. As far as Im concerned there is nothing after death and it makes sense that way since we cant know any better.
>>72305539
I've been down this train of thought before and I completely agree.
The only way to know for sure whether or not omniscience exists is for you to know everything; by definition, to become omniscient, proving it's existence.
>>72291632
>What is the beauty and absurdity of human life
>What is the purpose of trying to find meaning in a meaningless world
>What are ideals and convictions outside of religious ones
kill yourself please.
>>72303921
Would a god who does not want to be found leave proof so he can be found? or would he say here have a million year old dinosaur bone i dont exist now go fuck a trap
>>72304420
>It's like a penis. Its nice to have one but dont push it in everyones face
I notice it's only atheists who ever say this.
That's another thing I hate about atheists; they get triggered any time someone mentions God. Even though more than half It's like showing up at a barbecue and telling everyone you're a vegan. Atheists are like special needs kids who make everyone else cater to their neuroses.
>>72303265
>Because atheists have their own countries with atheist only rules, and use their numbers and influence to change world politics or influence wars and economical changes.
...They DO you oblivious fuck, communist countries like North Korea have an enforced atheist majority.
>>72291124
Only rational position desu
>nothing exploded into everything
Are atheists retarded?
>>72291632
Kind of like wasting my time on an imageboard has no meaning or useful purpose. Or like the second slice of pizza I'm going to eat, not necessarily hungry, but because it tastes good and I'll enjoy it.
Life being able to feel good and being able to experience interesting things in life is reason enough to keep on living in my book. No need for someone else impose their meanings down on me.
>>72305581
Yes I find that very annoying. I was watching a video channel called the friendly athiest and all he did was attack christians. Saying things like
>OMG when a family member dies why do christians always say they'll pray for you/them, like god isn't real so stop you're so annoying
Apparently christians are very annoying. Not muslims who would behead these athiests or not allow them in their countries, no it's the christians who are annoying. I halfway think the muslims are right to treat them that way.
>>72291124
I think I have an imaginary friend, there's this other person I talk to in my head. He helps me solve problems...
>>72306251
i read the you tube profile off the darth vader killer in sweden and most off his videos where of the friendly atheist , not so friendly after all
>>72291124
>No memeing
>Posts pic of meme argument "god is an imaginary friend"
I don't understand why so many people has made science the new religion, becoming literally science mujahideens, although most of them has literally no idea about how science works.
The problem is not living with some spirituality, which is indeed healthy, the problem is when people go full retard and start living according to a book written by some men thousands of years ago, and constructing their principles based on shit that are more business and dogma than anything else.
>>72306520
https://www.youtube.com/user/HiphopDestroyer666
ah here he is just found it
>>72306347
That just your brain, he is kind of an asshole
Militant Atheism should be put in the same category as Communism. Something that has been tried and failed, spectacularly.
Apathetic Atheism is just laziness.
Agnosticism is the point of frustration with organised religion.
>>72306772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYvl5HdvrSc
>>72291124
Atheism is still believing. It is believing the opposite of religion.
So itis still degenerate as fuck because believing in or contradicting a god is fucking stupid, it both revolves around some invisible allmighty allknowing entity that judges our lives, which is autistic.
I simply don't believe, i simply don't give a fuck about religion, it has no place in my mind or daily life. Religion is for the stupid and the weak, those who cannot figure life out for themselves tend to resort to something that does the work for them. Religion stops rational thinking because ' the bible this and the bible that'
Anyone who is a believer go kill yourself
>THERE ARE LITERALLY CHRISTFAGS ON POL RIGHT NOW WHO THINK THE CONCLUSION OF NIHILISM IS SUICIDE.
>DAILY REMINDER THIS IS THE CALIBER OF PEOPLE YOU ARE ARGUING WITH EVERYDAY
>>72293156
Impossibility theorem. Its impossible to prove the non-existence of X.
Science cannot tests the existence of a God.
I am atheist. I think there could be an afterlife and a larger metaphysical existence. I just don't think there's evidence that any miracles have ever happened. To the contrary, the world seems to follow really harsh and brutal rules of physics and chemistry.
In the Torah and the Quran, there are parts where the prophets tell their followers that God wants them to kill people. After the battles, they say God killed them. But God didn't strike anyone with lightning. It was humans who did it, and claim that God gave them luck or something. It's the most bullshit thing ever. They talk about invisible angels and voices that only the prophets can see and hear.
That said, I like a lot of the moral life frameworks and communities which religions provide. I wish I had that.
I do not believe in anything, neither do i give a single fuck about religion.
It's just a thing people use to comfort themselves because they're weak, therefore i do not care about it.
You live and then you die, that's probably the truth about it all. I'd rather believe in science than some good book of bullshit.
Why is agnosticism so dogged on? I'm an agnostic but still plenty spiritual. It doesn't have much to do with atheism, which is a legitimate rejection of god/gods. Agnosticism is simply the state of thought "I don't know".
Agnosticism =/= Atheism
>>72291124
Rational and logic conclusion for the god question. Today it is hijacked by People (juden?) who turned it into a religion, which is the complete opposite of what it stands for. Also every atheist is probably an agnostic, because if they get confronted with absolute proof of something that could be god they'd acknowledge it. They are just confident that today's religions are not truth.
I think a lot of them are actually agnostic but think they're atheist when they simply just do not believe
>>72291124
Most atheists I meet, online and offline, have a poor understanding of religion, God, metaphysics, and so on. This is, unfortunately, something which makes me think that to atheists, they're often denying something based on their own (mis)understanding of what religion and God are.
'Sky fairy', 'magic wizard', etc hint at just this level of ignorance from a sizeable chunk of the public.
Many of them seem to believe that we religious people are looking for a literal, physical man in the sky.
In addition, atheism is an evolutionary failure. Atheists tend to have less kids, and have throughout history. I know there are exceptions to the rule, though, of course.
Not to mention that religion and theism is found in every society. Even the Piraha are animists, and I consider animism to be a subset of theism because the distinction between a god and a spirit is one that doesn't exist (see kami, shen, etc). I think it's because we're built to believe.
I like to ask atheists what they THINK God is, and most of them I've spoken to have given me... child-like answers. The number of atheists I've been able to have an adult conversation with on religion is low, which is a shame.
>>72307634
Indeed my good friend, you live and you die. You will literally experience nothing else than being born, living life and dying. However the fuck you got here or wherever tge fuck you may go doesn't matter because THIS is life and you should be living this life to the fullest, not fucking 'saving life' becquse you think the aftermath will be great and dandy.
Religion is for degenerates.
>>72291124
Disgenic.
Only smart people become atheists therefore their birthrates drop even further.
Atheism means the death of the intelligent and conquest of the stupid.
>>72307872
Also consuming alot of time on things that doesn't really mean a thing.
I could envy the people that believe because i myself believe that there's nothing after you die.
Some people can maintain happy with the thought that they will be able to go to heaven while some who does not believe can envy those who do.
I myself do not believe like i said, but i can of course see why some people do, but i am able to keep myself happy without religion.
>>72307979
Indeed, i really understand why people do believe. But i think that while we accept that they believe it is not as widely accepted that you completely don't believe or in our case that religion isn't even a part of our lives.
And there is probably something after this thing we call life, but whatever it may be i'll do that shit to the fullest aswel, wether i've been a good boi or not in this life.
>>72296836
Based brother of the faith.
>>72303265
This, I don't have a problem with religion other than Islam but saying Atheists shove their shit down every ones throat while the believers all just mind their own business not bothering anyone is fucking retarded.
>>72291124
Aetheism is the future. Philosophy and art will replace religion.
>>72291348
This.
I don't mind agnostics at all but atheists are annoying as hell since they're usually bashing religion for arrogance while being arrogant themselves. That and when people take religious books literally or get their knowledge on religion from someone who took it literally.
>>72307940
Rubbish. Aethiest are more prone to having no meaning to life hence they jack to consumerist porn all day and die lonley.
>>72305909
Generalization to the max senpai. Religious fags literally go door to door and fucking fly to other continents just to indoctrinate the people with the mental retardation. Missionaries are a thing you faggots created to spread you cancerous ideologies to those that haven't had a chance a scientific and logic based education. GTFO with that nonsense about religious fags not being needy as fuck about people joining their fucking cult. Only reasons the big 3 is called a religion and not a cult is becaouse you have too many people indoctrinated already.
I'm not triggered by people mentioning God, but holy shit do I get triggered when religious fags try to bring their religion up or force their religious morals on everyone else. Now stop trying to argue about your fairy tales and do what you do best: absolve people of personal responsibility so they can feel good about whatever heinous shit they might have done.
Blow yourself up with a bomb along with innocent people: you get a virgin! You get a virgin!
Raped children: well as long as you don't do it again in the same town and you feel about about it then it's okay. What's that you did it again? I'm sure GOD will forgive you.
What's that? You are constantly killing people of the opposite faith? Well as long as you do it in the name of the Lord.
Let's send children into war there is no way God would let them die. R-right?
>>72291124
The god spoken of in various religious text was absolutely created and elaborated upon by men for various reasons. There is also no proof of any of the miracles happening, nor any way to prove or even disprove a god, nor would anything of any really value be gained if there was an all powerful being. You wouldn't even be able to be sure that the being was your gd and not the buddhist's god or the hindu god.
When you look at it unbiased and with common sense, it's all really a bunch of nothing. A waste of everyone's time and lives really.
People LOVE to be contrarian and anti-establishment on 4chinz but this thing in particular for me is above even that. I won't pretend to hate atheists or jump on the bandwagon of the fedora meme., not even to pointlessly troll or argue about the subject.
There is no god, and religion is nonsense.
