*coughs*
>>72205495
Well they have to worl less hours for the same money. Why its a bad thing? They can use their new free time to work somewhere else if they want more money.
"Also, one of you is fired."
"The two of you left will have to pick up the slack."
>>72205636
They don't cut hours all around, they just lay people off and force the rest to cover their work.
More like
>Minimum wage service jobs easily bare the extra cost but semi skilled manufacturing jobs like those found in the motor car industry cannot compete with fast food for labor while being competitive with Asia and these jobs move over seas.
A Chinese or Indian man in India and China cannot serve you a burger but he can build you a car for cheaper.
>>72205786
That's not what the comic says.
>>72205937
That is what happens though. People are fired, retired or just leave and they are not replaced.
They'll be giving you more hours once they get used to it and give up the butthurt.
The opportunity for big profit is still there and they're not just going to let it sit there ungrabbed forever.
>>72206021
They will be giving one person more hours and cutting the other two jobs.
>>72205736
"Within the limits of your reduced work hours of course."
"This will last until the next 3 months when fire everyone and install the robot."
>Adults working in fast food outside of a management position
When did this become a thing again?
>>72205937
what difference does it make?
>>72205636
implying they can find work when every business does this
What's going to happen for sure is that people without degrees or experience won't be able to flip burgers anymore. You've got to be skilled if you want a skilled worker wage. Expect a "fast food restauration" degree very soon. Actually I'm pretty sure that kind of shit already exists in France.
>Go to McDonald's
>Order a quarter pounder and a McMuffin
>$13
Which retard thought $15 minimum wage was a good idea?
>>72206281
When people decided they deserved everything handed to them and that learning/honing a marketable skill, was too hard.
"We can't support a family on minimum wage! WAH!"
It was never intended to support a family.
>>72206198
>>72206179
just watch the customer rushes pass them by and head to a competitor for having a slow order system
theyll change their expectations of a profit real quick
>>72206627
No they wont. People complain on facebook and yelp about shitty service but then continue to go there anyway. If there was going to be some mass awakening about the shitty standards and long wait times at McDonald's it would have happened by now.
>>72206021
That is 100% right. Businesses bitch and moan every time the minimum wage is raised but then they get over it and everything is fine because the world inst ending just because you have to pay your employees $15 an hour. If ceos making $5000 an hour is fine than im sure employees making $15 wont bankrupt the company.
>>72206481
>minwage
>living wage
theres a difference there
living wage varies by expenses and income, usually if you're working a minwage job for long you're not the best at long term planning anyways
So the argument is that only if you had more money, instead of saved more money and took action to build a career, somehow you'll start saving money and study for a career after all this time you didn't do that.
Nope.
>>72206847
If its too slow at lunch, they wont ever make it to the shitty service to complain about it
Ive seen corporations try to buckle down after incurring expenses again and again and they always give in, because its just a lower profit, but still a large profit
the secret is they've been fucking people over for years and some are much better than others, they go on, they find better ways to profit on the food.
>>72205495
it all works out.
15 an hour cant come any sooner.
minimum wage bad, we all make $2.00/hour, eveything become cheap and everyone become happy much better than now, much better than $15.00 pay
scholo goldberg knows that the less he pay us the happier we become
A few factors play into this
1. Our employment is mostly structured around the service sector at this point. Factory jobs aren't coming back no matter what we do at this point. We have to accept this reality.
2. Wage stagnation is bad for the economy. The consumers are low wage earners in America. This is our economic model now. If the consumers can't consume, shit doesn't work.
3. Business automating is a good thing, why do people talk about this as if it's some horrible apocalypse to come? As we progress and automate further the socially necessary labor time will decrease forcing us to raise wages of our low wage consumers to keep our system afloat. Automation is the way to post-scarcity, embrace it.
4. Any time the minimum wage is adjusted people cry about inflation, when they really mean hyper-inflation, which has never happened as a result of the minimum wage despite doomsayers claiming it will happen every time.
>>72206354
Whoa, how do you order those two things at the same time. Every McDonalds here is either breakfast or dinner, not both.
I'm the laziest piece of shit I know and even I started cooking for myself, fuck those fast food prices unless it's a locally owned place with monster portions
>$3.10 for a measly mcgriddle
>$4.43 for big mac smaller than the palm of my hand
>$4.65 for a BK whopper
I'd rather go across the street to the butcher and buy whatever the hell is on special
#fightforbasicincome
>>72209516
does anyone actually work for anything but money to live? like wtf is the point of work then. wouldn't everyone rather be at home?
>>72205495
They're all going to spend it on degenerate shit anyway like the new iPhones or the latest gadgets just to come in the next day and brag to the co-workers
>>72209004
There is a small window between the breakfast menu and the regular menu when you can get both, or maybe it's like here where they recently changed the breakfast menu to be all day
>>72209516
Replace the brain with time, and basic income with current welfare, and you can see how big of a joke that picture is and will be.
>>72205495
>tfw got my hours cut for 2 weeks
>then this happened >>72205736
i mean, i love shitposting on /pol/ and all, but really like money, and it's fucking hard lookin for work.
should i just kill myself, join the military or do a uni course?
>>72210056
dont i fucking wish
>>72207055
The owner of a small, stand alone burger joint is making $5k/ hr?
Holy shit you're stupid. Please drink bleach!
>>72205495
here its not even 3$ and we still complain less
>>72207055
Yeah, I mean, that's why the American people have essentially staged a coo against the established political structure. Because it's not like bussinesses and factories haven't been fleeing for greener pastures...
>>72210274
>staged a coo
>coo
>>72205975
That happens all over though. Not just in the min. wage sector. So while min. wage might not make the problem better it doesn't seem to be the (sole) cause.
>>72205495
>same salary for less hours
Ok
>>72206354
Here is the pricing of our maccas from 2014
>>72205495
If a fast food company could function correctly with less people working there everyone would already have less hours.
If the employee is doing something necessary during that time they can't get be given less hours unless the business was previously an inefficient mess. The only other option to cut hours is to cut some functions of the jobs because they are deemed not worth the pay. Fast food workers don't have these functions. If the McDonalds could function on 10 less hours a week it already would have cut these hours. It's basic capitalism.
>>72205495
well, bobs burgers down the street just accepts a lower profit margin, so they don't have a dip in service quality. and thanks to the higher minimum wage people working in the food service industry can afford to eat out, so even more money can be made by these businesses.
>>72210656
You're a retard
>>72210127
lower cost of living in Croatia.
Consumer Prices in United States are 45.29% higher than in Croatia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 81.87% higher than in Croatia
Rent Prices in United States are 273.06% higher than in Croatia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 71.37% higher than in Croatia
Groceries Prices in United States are 76.57% higher than in Croatia
>>72213587
You're a fucking retard.
The US minimum wage should be bargained by unions instead of set by the state
Too bad the FBI and CIA and various politicians made sure to give unions a bad rep because muh communism
Sure, setting a minimum wage gets low-earners a better deal, but it would be better if it was negotiated from industry to industry and from state to state. I bet 15 bucks an hour can make you king in some of the poorer states, while it might be not enough in a rich state
It's understood that raising the minimum wage would affect employment numbers.
But it's not a 1:1 cause-effect situation like libertarian economic illiterates like to suggest.
>>72214119
Yeah. 15 is a really rigid number.
It should be higher in San Francisco and lower in upstate New York.
>>72209516
I just LOVE doing down in the sewers, wading through shit, piss, puke, fetus' and who knows what else gets flushed down toilets, because I'm a sewer maintaince worker, I enjoy it some much, I'll do it for free!
And yes burger flippers should be paid more than me because those meet parties are literally shit
>>72214615
the idea behind basic income is that necessary labor would be rewarded accordingly, but that people shouldn't be obligated to conjure a pencil-pushing employment post from thin air just to survive
the sewer worker would receive basic income as well (hence the name) and then a salary on top of that as proper compensation for the vital social role he plays
>>72214264
>It's understood that raising the minimum wage would affect employment numbers.
ok, so you raise the min wage right?
now there is more money in the community, in the hands of the poorest working class of people, they then spend that money on goods and services, increasing demand and driving the economy. the only real losers are the richest people, but as this grows the economy it's good for everybody in the long term.
In capitalism, a middle class or at least disposable income of the masses is the true driver of the economy
>>72205495
>caring about the national wage in america
holy shit just kill yourself
>>72206481
"Intention" is not the point. It IS supporting people with families.
I work at a Geek Squad, we get hours of work by completing tasks like fixing a computer or checking if some piece of shit snake oil adapter still works and put it back on the shelves.
As far as I know, not many other jobs do this?
>>72214849
No I agree overall.
But there are statistical edge cases where certain small businesses would absolutely be affected. Every economist agrees with this. I think it's a perfectly worthwhile exchange in any case.
>>72215325
>certain small businesses would absolutely be affected
only ones with a razor thin profit margin, who's clientele and business wouldn't increase with added income in the community
>>72205495
i dont give a shit how much you pay those lazy pieces of trash at McDonald's, wendys, burger king ect, i refuse to eat fast food, not becuase i care about money or even the quality. nope. i abstain because niggers. every fast food chain is littered with lazy loud rude slow nigs, they serve blacks before whites, they play on thier phone in front of customers, they are sloppy and slurring. with maybe the exception of t bell, they know how to make a nig say please and thank you.
>>72207055
Only 1 CEO, $5k/hr feasible.
20,000 employees per state, $15/hr ludicrous.
Not to mention it's unskilled labor. I hope this never passes in my state. I think we should try all this liberal fuckery on the state of California and wait a mandated five years before shoving it on the other states. See just how much it ruins society
>>72205786
>cut hours
>lay off
>uncut hours for others
wtg you fucking retard
>>72215623
>Not to mention it's unskilled labor
not it isn't
unskilled labour is carrying things around, fast food cooking is a minor skill. trust me, i work as a service cashier and i realized that my job is literally moving things
i move the object from the left to the right, over the scanner, then into the bag. when the bag is full i move it to the right. repeat.
10 more units and i'll be qualified to do something, don't fall for the degree meme, get a certification or certificate to do something first, only get a degree when you have that job already
>>72215565
Most McDonalds are franchises and only earn 6 cents for every dollar they spend. Paying employees is already a huge part of their costs.
As soon as this min wage increase happens expect airport type ordering kiosks and a move towards automated kitchens.
>>72209605
You would think. But there are actually loads of people who retire and then after a year or two they get bored and go back to work.
>>72215893
I worked at a mcdicks for a summer and almost everyone there was a brain-dead moron. They actually asked me to drop out of college and go to Hamburger U lel. You don't deserve $15/hr working there, not to mention the only people actually making min wage were brand new employees like me.
>>72215893
Yeah I fell for the degree meme. Went to college, got a degree in economics in 2008. Was unemployed for a half year and took some shit job moving things.
I'm in a good spot now, but if anyone wants my ECON degree it's yours, I'm definitely not using it
>>72216137
>deserve
What does this even mean in economic/political terms lol. As if there were some objective value to labor that exists beyond all of us.
>>72216225
>got a degree in economics
>>72210274
>coo
pigeon shit spotted
>>72216225
What did you do exactly to get this degree?
>>72216439
Hindsight is 20/20...
All failed engineering students go for business/economics. I was initially mech engineering
>>72216578
One year at one school, four years at a different one. Almost zero credits transferred. Dual major biz/econ. The "may I start you off with some waters" starter pack
>>72210274
>>72216728
Alright, but did you write a thesis or take a certification course or was it literally just
>Do you have blank classes?
>Yes, congrats grad!
>>72205495
Meet your replacements!
>>72216318
Are you high? You're worth what the market is willing to pay you. If the neighbor kid offers to mow my lawn for $100/week I tell him to eat shit. If another wants to do it for $20 then I'll hire him. Likewise if someone wants $15/hr to constantly fuck up my order, I'll just not go there anymore until they fire most of the staff and let me order at a kiosk.
>>72216815
Wow, look how easy it is to use. Who would demand 15/hr to push the screen for someone else? Idiots would.
>>72216924
The existing system is exactly like that but with smaller pictures. After a few hours using it you memorize where everything is and then sit there like a monkey punching in orders all day.
>>72209004
no one likes the shit breakfast menu, so they serve the classic burgers in the morning aswell
>>72216587
>failed mech engineering
Not only did you pick the worst engineering discipline, but you failed the easiest
Damn it feels good to have a job that won't be replaced by machines anytime soon.
These unskilled Bernie voters get what they deserve for never actually trying to make themselves marketable.
>>72207153
>>72206847
People are increasingly accepting automation. So many fast food restaurants let you order by app now. Preselected combos and "repeat previous orders" allow you to go from home screen to order done & paid within less than ten seconds.
Touchscreens are similar and offer flexibility as lot of people didn't know about - for instance, on McDonalds self service kiosks, you can get anything (chicken nuggets, salad, whatever) with Big Mac sauce. The public reaction is good when the menus are friendly and fast.
And most people are price sensitive among all else. Most fast food restaurants have labor as a primary cost. Doubling the minimum wage makes labor easily the biggest and majority expense and biggest squeeze on margins. Competitors that don't automate will not be competitive on price. Whether or not people will be willing to pay 20-30% more to not have to use a computer remains to be seen, but I doubt it.
>>72216795
Mix of both. Actually was the first econ grad in that school's history, the Dean of biz and I worked on it for two years. Developed the program and curriculum. Capstone was a thesis about Hayek's road to serfdom revisited and Austrian econ as a whole. The Dean was cool
>>72209004
All day breakfast now anon. It's awesome!
>>72216914
>You're worth what the market is willing to pay you.
That's still not an objective value of labor.
Libertarians are retarded I swear.
If workers secure a $15 minimum wage through collective and legislative action, then guess what: that's the new market reality we're all working within. It doesn't mean that they do or don't "deserve" it. It's just the way things are.
But since workers clearly don't "deserve" $15 an hour in your mind, I want you to give me a solid number that they do deserve and tell me how you arrived at that figure.
>>72217079
Yep. I know. It was for a very specialized job I wanted but hey, everything happens for a reason
>>72216107
yet another reason why baby boomers are cancer. they are stealing jobs away just because muh boredom. Go play bocci ball at the park or something.
>>72205495
Is the boss from Belgium?
All I'm picking up from this thread is that the service based economy needs to go
>>72205495
I cant wait for this to backfire.
>>72207111
Yes, LIVING WAGE, I.E the wage needed for 1 person to live comfortably.
The minimum wage doesn't support a family and it shouldn't.
There is no way in hell that frying burgers should ever pay for a wife and 2 kids
>>72205736
>>72205786
>>72205975
>>72206179
>>72206198
>>72210656
If they could already make due with fewer workers, why haven't they already? Why is the company employing extra people for no reason? Why are they running so inefficiently? Surely the free market would destroy any company wasting money on extra staff.
>>72206281
>>72206342
>>72206481
>>72216137
>>72217561
There are more service/fast food jobs than teenagers in this country. Even if every single teenager worked every day from age 16-19, we still wouldn't be able to fill all the jobs. Adults have to take these jobs, or the industry would collapse.
>>72216815
>>72216924
>>72216987
>>72217167
If a $15 minimum wage is all it takes to replace workers with computers, doesn't that mean that in less than 18 months, Moore's Law states that the computers will be cheaper than the current minimum wage, and the workers will be replaced anyway? And people having been posting this argument for what, 5 years now?
>>72217291
+ do you have a problem with the current wage at McDonalds? Because that's also a legislated minimum rate. What makes this acceptable to your omniscient "market" but not $15?
>>72205636
>they can use the time that they used to spend working to work
>>72214800
Where does the money come from? We're not in Star Trek Federation with post-scarcity you know.
>>72217718
A) For the past five years there wasn't a largely successful push for a $15 minimum wage until now
B) Moore's law has nothing to do with computer pricing, it has to do with transistors doubling in about eighteen months, and within recent years it has been noted as being untrue
C) Hardware needed to provide fast, fluid, intuitive ordering experiences has been getting cheaper
You see those McDonalds kiosks?>>72216815
They put them in Seattle, which passed a $15 minimum wage law. It doesn't take affect for the largest employers until 2017, and the smallest until 2021. McDonalds saw the writing on the wall, crunched the numbers, determined the investment to automate ordering outweighed a $15 minimum wage, and installed the machines in 2015 - two years before the $15 minimum wage even took effect.
>forces employers to find more efficient work models
>forces growing automatisation and investing, thereby boosting innovation in technology
>reduces costs in the long run, making local buisnesses more profitable and the whole region more prosperous
>forces laid off personel to be more competitive, causing an increase in training and education
Sounds like it would result in a richer and smarter country.
The minimum wage is and will always be zero dollars per hour. That's what you get paid when you don't have a job. Raise the min wage to 15/hr and you'll have a lot more people making the real minimum wage in this country
>>72217779
We're not, and it's not something that should be implemented tomorrow.
It's just an important conversation to start having, because the idea that "there will always be enough jobs to go around" rests on shaky foundations.
>>72205636
>Less hours for the same money
Yes, you business-illiterate liberal retard, now the business has to pay the same amount of money and gets less hours of operation out of it. Labour is the highest expense for most companies, the highest variable cost per unit sold. If the price of labour goes up, to maintain the same amount spent on wage they would need to produce less by cutting hours .
ITS NOT THE EMPLOYEES THAT MATTER IN THE EQUATION YOU STUPID FUCKS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCE TO THE BUSINESS HIRING THEM
Seriously, what the fuck is the point of having an "Educated' population when they're all fucking idiot who do not know how to think. Thank god we don't have free university here, never want to end up like Europe with a bunch of university educated retards walking around thinking they can talk finance and economics because of their philosophy degree.
Fuck you latvia. I hope Russia takes all you cucks back in when trump kills NATO
>>72213485
Not necessarily; you would stop hiring more workers when the cost of hiring them supersedes the marginal utility of the worker.
For this scenario, you could have workers taking on extra responsibilities that would make them less efficient individually, but are still less expensive than hiring an additional worker. You could also stop operations during less productive hours. Or just close in general.
>>72218010
What should the minimum wage be? Give me a real number. You obviously know that $15 is too high, so you should be able to tell us what isn't too high.
>>72218010
Every employee who is being paid less than a liveable wage receives wellfare in one way or another, at least in most western nations. Allowing companies to pay less than a liveable wage just means that the taxpayer has to chip in and subsidise them.
So having zero as a minimum wage would work, but only in a society without any form of welfare. Which doesnt exist at this moment.
>>72217944
A: So computers weren't getting cheaper because people weren't fighting for minimum wage? Ok.
B: So what is true?
C: So you're agreeing that workers are going to be replaced anyway very soon, no matter what?
Regarding Seattle: Oregon's minimum wage is 9.25. So you're saying right now, workers only have a $5 window before computers are cheaper, and you're saying computers get cheaper every day, so you agree with the argument that workers are all losing their jobs in a few years no matter what minimum wage does?
>>72218172
Zero. Seriously. If people do not want to work for nothing, they should pursue other opportunities or unionize.
>>72218172
The minimum wage is zero. What should it be? The question doesn't even make sense.
>>72218119
underrated
>>72217965
>I HAVE to be in the tech field or else
I don't want to be an engineer, though. I want a humble life.
>>72218318
The Swedish model eh?
>>72218432
Pretty much. I'd also recommend massive cuts in social programs.
>>72205495
What's the problem?
Case 1:
>you earn $ 80 in 8 hours
>no time to study
>little time for a second job
Case 2:
>you earn $ 80 in 4 hours
>good part time
>free time to do another job or to spend that money
I don't see a problem with pic, which is misleading and implies reducing working hours is bad.
>>72218327
A wage is money given in exchange for labor.
Zero money isn't money.
>>72218431
If youre a minimum-wgaecuck you probably couldnt hack it anyway.
Plenty of professions dont require a higher education and are not in immedeat threat by robots and computers. No matter what the minimum wage is.
>>72218297
>So computers weren't getting cheaper because people weren't fighting for minimum wage? Ok.
Correct but you're basically coming from both ends. Computers have been getting cheaper generally, making them more cost effective to replace workers. The cost/benefit curves intersecting and computers becoming the clear choice is accelerated by the push for a $15 minimum wage.
>So what is true?
See above.
>C: So you're agreeing that workers are going to be replaced anyway very soon, no matter what?
It's inevitable. Mcdonalds has their kiosk. Chilis, Applebees, Olive Garden, tons of cheap casual dining chains have already replaced 5-6 servers with one server and the tablet takes drink/food orders, offers games, and lets people pay. Olive Garden says they will be rolling them out nationwide due to positive customer feedback and benefits for the company, even before a $15 minimum wage.
On a bridge near me (Tappan Zee) the last day for the toll booth collectors is Saturday (I believe this upcoming, but it may have been last saturday). A gantry now will read people's cars for electronic tolling tags; if they do not have one, a camera will take a picture of their license plate and mail them a bill.
Supermarkets and large stores have had self checkout for many years now.
>Regarding Seattle: Oregon's minimum wage is 9.25. So you're saying right now, workers only have a $5 window before computers are cheaper, and you're saying computers get cheaper every day, so you agree with the argument that workers are all losing their jobs in a few years no matter what minimum wage does?
Yes, on the lowest end. As computers and machines advance people will become increasingly replaced by computers. A $15 minimum wage is not the sole cause of this; it just merely greatly accelerates this process by making many computers cheaper than many workers sooner. Basic minimum income will become a reality within our lifespan.
>>72211145
you got kJ on your menus? i want that!
>>72217561
then don't get a wife and 2 kids and then get a burger flipping job
>>72218831
If you agree, all I have to say is: Who cares then if we make minimum wage $15, when the only people who will be replaced by robots are people who are going to be replaced by robots in a few years anyway? Is letting someone work at McDonalds for another two years really worth denying everyone else who doesn't work at McDonalds a higher wage?
>>72220120
It's not 2 years, it's more like five to ten. Less in New York and areas with a minimum wage closer to ten dollars, moreso in the middle of the country where the minimum wage being $15 means it would more than double.
Giving someone a lower wage for a few years while we figure shit out is better than kicking them out to the curb sooner with the real minimum wage of $0.
The people that won't get replaced by robots will get cut hours and jobs and fewer people will be expected to do more work. In areas where labor cuts are unavoidable the prices of goods and services will rise.
>>72217776
If they need more than they were getting before, yeah
>>72218172
In the case of most lower cost of living areas, it's perfectly fine where it is.
Minimum wage should be dictated by individual states beyond a low Federal minimum.
Ideally, we'd actually LOWER the Federal minimum wage to $5 an hour, and allow local jurisdictions within states to raise it at will.
Somewhere like San Fran may actually greatly need a minimum wage of $15.
The weird part is the purchasing power for online goods.
While someone in bumfuck AK may have a cost of living 1/4 of that of someone in San Fran, both of them would need to pay the $300 for the PS4 bundle on Groupon, so the San Fran worker comes out way ahead, assuming they spend proportional amounts on basic living expenses.
>>72218515
Yeah, who cares that the company just lost 4 hours of labor. Surely the company can just eat that expense or just figure out a better way of doing things.
>>72206342
I've been saying that people need to experience working fast food. Mandatory minimum of 6 months so you have a different perspective. People are fucking insane entitled pigs when it comes to food and treat workers like shit.
>>72213485
>what is marginal cost
>>72209605
Have you ever been out of work? We were made to work; you go stir crazy (if you're in your right mind) staying at home and feel like a piece of useless shit.
>>72218515
This argument makes sense in the same way that "if people are starving in Africa they should move to france" makes sense.
The direct result will be either:
1.) The company will lay off some workers because they can't afford them all, service and quality suffers
2.) The company will lay off all the workers and hire educated and talented individuals who can't even make $15/hr as an EMT or paralegal or Dr's assistant etc and they'll either get stuck working another shit job OR they become wards of the state
>>72215623
>fast food is unskilled
Work at a place (not mcdonalds) for a month for shits and giggles and see what your opinion is then.
>>72221306
But a min wage isn't needed to account for cost of living. Jobs in places with a higher cost of living inherently make more money as well.
Think of it this way. Let's say min wage in San Fran is 7.25, but it's expensive as fuck to live there. No McDonalds workers are able to live where they are on that wage? Well then nobody would work for that pay, and the employers would need to raise the price to the point where workers would accept doing the work.
Not everyone has the right to live in expensive areas. High cost of living where you are? Tough fucking luck, move to kansas or alaska.
>>72205495
Wouldn't that just crash the economy since inflation?
>>72221710
I never understood it.
Like its fucking fast food, how can you possibly give enough of a shit to fuck up some kids college loan repayment plan. It's the trash of food. This is only acceptable in a real dining establishment.
>>72222100
Nah.
Those college days of Xbox and getting my dick sucked owned.
>>72205495
Pic related.
>>72218119
I don't know about Canada but small business in the US represents a very small percentage of GDP.
>>72209516
Except those 4 don't get bigger and there's just a gaping hole where there is now "no motivation" to work.
>>72222880
Small percentage of GDP, large percentage of employers. Small business employs the majority of people, not large companies
>>72205495
why should there be a minimum wage? why should there be a wage at all? lets face it, poor people are fucking stupid and lazy. they spend 99 percent of their time watching porn and smoking crack. It isn't enough that I provide them the opportunity to do some honest work and be productive?
In the end, wages are just another form of socialist wealth redistribution that unfairly persecutes the job creators of this country, forcing us to send these jobs overseas and making america less competitive.l
>>72205786
Even better now they can work more and make twice as much money, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this
>>72225513
You got me. Increased my blood pressure a little bit. Good job.
