http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/australian-submarines-france-wins-50bn-contract/news-story/986ee35387c768a0c401f3edc97c5402?nk=83637f5420ee2cd23d652d029aaf1c7a-1461667911
Thanks Australia !
Australia getting pounded by the Big French Cock
Thanks France, looks great!
Grouse sub mate!
>>72100827
Kek
>>72100827
And please, use them to sink invaders's boat, not like our pussy governement that bring and feed them all.
>>72101339
Fucking Reddit name submarines now. Christ.
>>72100722
>australia buys subs to fight hordes of poisonous sea animals
>subs are only equipped with white flags
>australia defeated by animals again
>>72100722
Should have gone with Japan desu.
At least now we'll have the latest advances in surrendering technology.
>buying french anything military
They never learn, enjoy your delays and unexpected costs
>>72101601
And then cancelled order given to Egypt when they decide you are doing something they dont like.
>>72101640
OMFG that was so shitty.
Our gov is stupidest as possible, they reject to give the boat to Putin because "muh dictator", and instead they sells them to Al Sissi because "muh good boy".
And on the other side, they are so fuckin proud to sells warplane and weapons to Saudi Arabia, because "muh jobs".
What a shitty foreign policies we got.
>>72101827
If the Russians pull off their plan to make their own Ill have a good laugh. Your foreign policy will have resulted in you creating your own competitor.
>>72102287
Russia is not an oversea power.
France is.
We are the 2nd largest overseas country in the world, ship industries knowledge is mandatory for a country such as us.
>>72102826
Sure. But they have to develop a naval fabrication industry at some stage. And if they do it right it will likely be like everything else they do.
Not quite as good but dirt cheap.
>>72101439
>>72100722
Why buy those when we should be buying your nuclear power tech.
>>72100722
meanwhile germany is selling 3 high-tech submarines to egypt....fucking egypt
>>72103090
Argentina should be extremely grateful that Mitterand had such a weak dick in the face of Mrs Thatcher's tumescent monster, otherwise they'd be nothing but a sea of glass today.
>>72101542
Australia didn't want to piss off big sugar daddy China by going with the Soryu class.
Plus, I heard that France threw in some rifles to sweeten the deal. Only dropped once and never fired.
>>72102931
there's already the chinese on that market share.
But if Russia come back on the ship industrie, they'll do ship like the Yamal Ямáл, as they have a huge arctic sea territorie and for strategic reason they need ship that can handle either warm and cold sea.
And they also have the knowledge in nuclear propulsion.
But I'm affraid that Russia hasn't fully recover the power and economy of the Soviet Union, and that kind of project aren't going to be realised soon.
And Russia share the same problem as Europe, and middle east with the mudslims terrorists attack and guerrilla, that's the real pain, and unfortunately boat can't do anything in those case.
>>72103747
The Mistral Class is used for deployment purpose, its not a battle ship. That's why it could be useful against the mudskins in Middle East.
>Capacity:59 vehicles (including 13 AMX Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalion
>Aircraft carried:16 heavy or 35 light helicopters
Russian have a shitload of vehicles, but nothing for bringing them.
>>72103747
Exactly. >>72104138 This. They have a military. They have renewed goals and allies they have pledged to look after.
But not the most robust methods of getting them anywhere.
Why is my tax money paying for this shit
>>72104300
Better than paying for coons and druggies to live off the dole
>>72104429
I can't disagree
So who can we attack with those things?
>>72103239
They feel guilty for giving Israel 6.
>>72104497
Hopefully boat people and Greenpeace.
>>72100722
The Australian variant isn't going to be called the Barracuda at least, the Australian class will be SMX-Ocean.
>>72104138
Yamal isn't a battle ship too.
And that's a fuckin huge achievement in terms of ship building, that can be use for military deployement too.
Concerning any Russians troops deployement from the sea, I'm more than skeptical, Russia doesn't control any strategic point around the middle east.
(Bosphore, Suez, Gibraltar, Aden, Ormuz...)
>austria
>needing submarines
>>72104628
Noice mate
>>72104628
We did that for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
>>72100722
So you're now selling massive black rods that are full of sea men? Do you have too many of them or something?
>>72105288
Well fuck me sometimes you frogs are alright.
>>72105369
Is your Navy full of Obongo's too?
>During the Péan inter-allied manoeuvres of 1998, Casabianca managed to "sink" the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower and her Ticonderoga-class escort cruiser.[6]
>During COMPTUEX 2015, an exercice led by the US Navy, Saphir successfully defeated the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and its escort, managing to "sink" the US carrier. This was widely advertised by the French Navy but unmentioned by the US Navy.[7]
>>72103367
I've heard the story with Thatcher threatening to nuke Buenos Aries to get the deactivation codes for the Exocets but I've never seen a source for the nuking part of the story. Is it just popular legend or an actual documented event?
>>72104906
A FUCKING DUNGEON RAPE BABY
>>72106375
cope
>>72106862
Serious question though.
What is it like, being able to remember seeing the sun for the first time?
>>72100722
We didn't want them
>>72100722
Sub that australia bought from france is tied up at the dock. Venomous snakes and spiders infest it.
australia raises a white flag and surrenders.
>>72105803
why would she nuke us?
she could handle the war as it was, and if she had nuked us, other countries would never stop giving the brits shit over that
>>72105630
>>72105369
The NZ Navy took out a carrier during war games in the gold with a PT boat and 1 Frigate. Needless to say no media bothered to report it and the NZ site that mentioned it was getting smashed for bandwidth and had to shutdown due to bills.
>>72104300
the only cunts I hear complaining about this sub building are the cunts with no jobs so stfu cunt
>>72108337
Australia did the same with a single Collins class.
When they're not broken, they're pretty good.
>>72108099
She wanted the Exocet codes because they were the one thing in the Argentine arsenal that could possible sink either of the two British carriers. Losing one of the carriers likely would have meant the loss of the war if they couldn't secure a replacement. Supposedly she threatened to nuke Buenos Aries to get the French to give up the codes which they did end up doing but I've never seen anything confirming it was because of a threat to use nukes.
>>72100722
already sinking
>>72101380
underrated post
Do some people really think we have a bad army ? I mean, come on, this is a meme created by the american press after our foreign affairs minister Villepin made a speech against the war in Irak before it began in 2003.
And this war is a fiasco.
>>72100722
>mfw those 50 billions will be used to import even more sandniggers, give them even more welfare and healthcare, and push "social progress" at full speed
>>72100722
I thought we were making our own subs.
I guess those ads about being an engineer in the army was all bs.
>>72110059
It's working so well for Hollande.
>>72109693
>this is a meme created by the american press after our foreign affairs minister Villepin made a speech against the war in Irak before it began in 2003
Which is actually ironic & funny seeing how burgers themselves failed hilariously in their effort to "democratise" the country. Nice overbloated military you have there, Cletus.
>>72100722
wait so the guy that made the tanks thread was actually working in the defense ministry of 'straya
nice
>>72109693
So you've never heard of World Wars I and II, and Vietnam
>Not buying 10/10 Swedish engineering
>>72100722
>le baguette boat
>>72111935
I would exchange our subs for grippens.
>>72110252
>Those fluctuations
How can people mistrust a politician and a few months after put all their trust in him
The fuck
>>72112213
we have rafales to sell aswell.
those destroy grippens in everyway.
but sadly quality has a price... hence we never sell any
>>72112308
what fluctuation?
>>72112347
Rafales are a pile of shit compared to Russian fighters though.
>>72112213
Think i read somewhere that Austrailia dismissed ours due to lack of combat experience. Might have been some other country too though
>>72112375
>20% increase between 11/2015 and 12/2015
>>72112390
not that sure.
rafales are quite beast. russian planes looks great but since they havent partaken into any joint "top gun" program it s hart to tell.
Rafales shat on f35 grippens and every other planes at the last "top gun" rally.
>>72112390
>Implying
https://youtu.be/oGuWadoTgkE?t=125
>>72112453
C'était le contrecoup des attentats.
dans des moments comme ceux la on se rassemble autour de celui qui représente la France.
Depuis on a vu qu'il n'était pas capable de gérer la situation et ne se sert de l'état d'urgence que pour museler les contestataires.
>>72112347
But Rafales look gay.
Grippens look great.
Honestly we need a mix of strike fighter/bombers and air superiority fighters.
I'd look at a mix of SU-34 and a fifth gen fighter (throw up between PAK-FA due to great sensor suite and F-35 due to it having better stealth).
>>72112726
Fuck off cheese nigger.
>>72113228
Grippen are good if you want a cheap bomb mule to mess with dirtfarmers.
Rafales are great if you need to prepare for a war and don't have infinite money.
F35 are great if you don't like having money or a big army.
>>72113251
woops sorry there are 2 threads related to France and i was thinking i was on the french speaking one.
my bad.
>>72113228
Rafale are both air superiority and bomber it s a pretty amazing plane.
dont fall for the f35 ponzi. that plane wont deliver and will be ready when the 6th generation will be fully operational. the stealth is not even working on oldschool radars (thou it does on new radars .. something about waves cant remember)
>>72113505
>F35 are great if you dont plan to have an air force before 2040
FTFY
>>72113542
The Rafale is a multirole, like the F-35, but it lacks the sensor advantage of the PAK-FA and the stealth advantage of the F-35.
>>72113917
and yet it destroyed every F35 wich is supposed to be the ne plus ultra..
the su-50 is pretty good and a much newest gen but i doubt both planes met on "top gun" meeting.
>>72113629
This too. The first Rafale was made in the 90's. By the time it will be in actual deployment, I bet we will produce the next generation.
>>72113917
But it can handle 1.5 it's own weight.
No other multirole can do that, and that's particularly an important point with these jets.
And it made it's proofs.
>>72114153
I don't think there will be an other génération tbf.
>>72114143
BVR is where air superiority is won, WVR stat's don't matter, if they did, everyone would be using Flankers with upgraded suites.
>>72114250
But it's still a light weight.
PAK-FA is a better bomb truck.
>>72104300
honestly this
Why do we need this?
we get rekt every week paying taxes for this shit?
>>72105803
That entire story is completely made up, Exocet codes and all.
Awful decision.
Sorry frogbros, your sub might be good, but your government is notorious for blackmailing us with threats of no support or spare parts if we even think of doing things that you don't like.
There's also been a string of bad european defense purchases lately for the ADF (Tiger, NH90, euro torpedos, AWD etc) while every american (and the Japanese subs are basically american influenced Japanese built diesels)
purchase has been nearly flawless (romeo, more abrams, Wedgetail, Super Hornets etc)
This is just Prepbull spitting in Abbott's face because he was so red hot on the Japanese deal.
One of the main reasons Japan allowed itself to export military hardware was the expectation that this sub deal would go ahead, imagine how angry they are now...
>>72110354
>French flag
>Cletus
???
>>72115063
I guess the next villain in Naruto will be french.
>>72115063
>turnbull fucks the nation to spite abbott
Meh.
This country deserves what it gets.
>>72115032
well they stopped working for some reason
>>72114143
>and yet it destroyed every F35
>>72115063
The Tiger is meh, there are better and newer options.
The NH-90 is actually pretty great.
The Abrams is ancient shit that gets rekt by man portable weapons.
Wedgetail is neat, but far behind the curve because Clapistan won't give us the hood shit.
Super Hornets are good bomb trucks, but will never be as good for our purposes as the F-111 was, but they're too old nowadays.
>>72115364
ive never seen anything reliable that states this, or links such a occurrence to the french military. Sounds more appropriate for a james bond movie than real life
Why is Australia bulking up its air and sea defenses in the last 2 years?
Are they planning on starting WW3
>>72109693
I know you have a solid First World military but you have to understand the meme is more than the Iraq war butthurt, you guys have just been BTFO a lot. You almost conquered Europe then got BTFO, you pissed off Bismarck and got BTFO, you barely got through WWI and then in WWII you got BTFO. Then there's Algeria, BTFO. Then Indochina, BTFO.
You guys need to secure a solid win against someone. Anyone. Then the meme will die down some I think.
>>72115543
WW3 will NEVER happen because of mondialism.
Trust me.
>>72115543
Nah, we just want to claim our rightful clay.
First NZ, then SEA.
>>72115492
>The NH-90 is actually pretty great
Except it's years behind schedule and barely better than the newer blackhawk models that would've been progressions of our current fleet and introduced as smoothly as the romeo was into the navy.
Nothing beats american when it comes to reliable killing machines. They use more of them more frequently, the supply chain, the institutional knowledge etc is just incomparable to eurotrash equipment.
>The Abrams is ancient shit that gets rekt by man portable weapons.
Feel free to suggest an alternative.
>Wedgetail is neat, but far behind the curve because Clapistan won't give us the hood shit.
We get more access to American signals and intelligence tech than anyone else courtesy of five guys, we don't need better because no one else has it.
>Super Hornets are good bomb trucks, but will never be as good for our purposes as the F-111 was, but they're too old nowadays.
Because the f-111 was obsolete and expensive. SH+refuellers+glide bombs get you similar range. Plus we now no longer might be considering nuclear or wanting to level buildings in Jakarta like we did in the 50s onwards.
Again, suggest a better replacement than the SH.
>>72101339
paint a moustache on that, hon-hon
>>72102826
>We are the 2nd largest overseas country in the world
and the white area on the map belongs to the united states
>>72108674
forgot to close the screen door, huh
>>72101380
Le Terrible -> The Terrific
>>72100722
Obviously a proxy for a New Zealand buyer
We'll sink your ships with your own sub
>>72116414
>Tfw your navel power extends into the mainland
Wait, I thought we already had 6 subs but only enough submarine crew to fill one at a time. Why are we buying more?
>>72116797
you almost definitely have new crews in school/training right now.
just look at all your neighbors' naval activity as of late.
>>72116374
say that to my face and see what happen.
>>72101827
Yes el sisi is a good boy
He help Libyans and Yemenis against Isis and other terrorism groups.
>>72116550
Shit name
>>72116234
NH-90 will be better in the long run.
The Abrams we get is an ancient model, either a new model Leopard, a new model Abrams or even a new model T-90 would offer better survivability - we need to skip refits and just jump onto the next major armour development project.
Russia is leading the field in electronic warfare, second best in a fight is still dead.
The SH is great, read my original post, but it will never be as good as the F-111 was for bomb truck duties - if we had the service infrastructure for Flankers the SU-34 with a western electronics package and a Russian EW suite would be GOAT bomb truck.
>>72100722
Can Aussies read French? What if they self destruct the sub because they misread the wrong button? Sacre bleu Shiela's!
>>72115739
Learn history faggot, not your school book for retards.
>>72100722
bullshit! should of went with Soryu
>>72104300
At least it's not going towards abo benefits
>>72117538
>The Abrams we get is an ancient model
Except it's upgraded along with the US versions minus the depleted uranium.
>T-90
>Russia is leading the field in electronic warfare
>if we had the service infrastructure for Flankers the SU-34 with a western electronics package and a Russian EW suite would be GOAT bomb truck.
Opinion invalidated.
>>72115063
>One of the main reasons Japan allowed itself to export military hardware was the expectation that this sub deal would go ahead, imagine how angry they are now...
Its not just Japan, America will be pissed as well.
They were counting on regional allies (Japan, Australia, S korea) to co-operate more closely because of US military budget cuts through sequestration.
>>72100722
Best choice for Australia.
PM of Australia is a very clever guy.
I think what the leaders of France,Germany China, U.K., S.Korea,India Japan and SEA nations welcome this news
>>72115543
China's aggression in the South China Sea
>>72115492
NH-90 isn't even allowed to fly over sea or even landing on frigates because it is too heavy
>>72118176
This
We want you guys to take some of the world policing responsibility in the Pacific
Our economy isn't going to hold up to the current trend much longer
>>72118470
And that is why you don't buy it for your Navy.
>>72100722
RULE RULE WAVES DO DO DO DO LA LA
>>72118176
The combat system for collins and soryu are based on the us/virginia system too, meaning when the french help with the subs they can't access the american parts (since they are not even slightly trusted by the US as an ally) and when the Americans work on the combat system we are going to have to hide all the french bits they don't want the americans seeing.
It's absolute madness.
>>72118470
Yeah it's ramp is turning out to be useless because of the danger of the rear prop the bigger carrying capacity is turning out to be false because to accomodate that many people you had to have unsafe seating and also risk damage the floor.
The side door gun can't fire while troops (dis)embark, like you can on the blackhawks.
It's a complete lemon, like every other pan-european industrial welfare project.
>>72118662
The problems with the navalised version are simply on top of the litany of problems the base aircraft suffers from.
>>72118662
We will and we have its all a big government fuck up
>navy says let's buy some USA war machine
>Bundestag comes up with this Sea Dick thing
>navy says its shit
>gov decides to buy it anyways
>>72118532
>We want you guys to take some of the world policing responsibility in the Pacific
>Our economy isn't going to hold up to the current trend much longer
Yep, That 40 billion dollars is going to the wrong region (Europe) where there is no Naval threat.
If it went to Japan, It would have been an investment in a regional partner that could actually help project Australia military into NE Asia.
>>72118794
>The combat system for collins and soryu are based on the us/virginia system too, meaning when the french help with the subs they can't access the american parts (since they are not even slightly trusted by the US as an ally) and when the Americans work on the combat system we are going to have to hide all the french bits they don't want the americans seeing.
>It's absolute madness.
Exactly, everybody knows France has an independent foreign policy to the United States (opposition to Iraq war, Quebec, etc)
There is no possible way for us to integrate into the ASB and operate the same systems as the America.
They wont let us use the same equipment if the french can steal it!
French navy is honestly great navy. You aussies are much better off than with the Japs.
Japs are backed by americans, so if you buy from them your hands are tied when it comes to the shitstorm in South-East Asian sea. America's military power is the shadow of what it used to be, better start develop an independent foreign policy like France.
>>72119728
We don't get the whole 40, only a third because it'll all be built in Australia. Not a bad deal.
>>72117731
Which part isn't true? Also I left off Suez, you got BTFO there too. Against Egypt lol.
>>72115739
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France learn burger.
And remember that you lose all your wars since 1945.
>>72120679
No because $1 spent that goes to Japan would be worth $10 000 spent anywhere else.
Japan is a U.S ally (Japan-US alliance) We are an American ally, (ANZUS). It makes sense for us to co-operate because our defense postures are set up under the same system to support American power in Asia.
>>72121778
What do you think we are, soviets?
>>72104499
Isreal needs to replace that sub the Syrians sunk
>>72115739
As you mentionned, France conquered a significant part of Europe before being eventually overthrown, like 99% of conquerors. Then the Prussian war was lost, but WW1 was a heroic French & British victory. The role of the US in that war was minimal.
WW II was a plain old defeat, true.
The war of Algeria was won by the French, De Gaulle gave them independence to focus on domestic policy. All of the world's colonies were revolting at that time anyway.
In Indochina the French were actually much smarter than us, reached their military objective and left the conflict after securing deals that preserved their interests.
And you're forgetting all of France's recent history of removing jihadi-niggers throughout the whole African continent. When shit fucks up in the Middle-East the U.S get called, but Africa is France's playground.
Look up Mali, RCA, and countless others. Not to mention the ton of "external operations" France is currently leading, because it does not fight wars anymore. France just sends soldier wherever needed and get the job done.
The Frog's right, we mad at them for being right on Iraq. Also, look up the space warfare that took place right after Villepin's speech. As hard as it is to believe it, France actually BTFO our satellites after we tried to disrupt theirs.
I've got 99 reasons to laugh of the French, but their military ain't one
>>72100722
They should buy some Mirage III's off you guys while they're at it.
I trust the French to do a good job. A stealthy, black, phallic shaped object capable of waging a surreptitious and deadly war against its opponents seems to be an area of expertise for the French.
>>72122464
>>72122069
>Also, look up the space warfare that took place right after Villepin's speech. As hard as it is to believe it, France actually BTFO our satellites after we tried to disrupt theirs.
what space warfare
If they deliver them by truck - be suspicious.
>>72100722
Does Ausland have nuclear powered subs?
I can't be fucked to search for the info.
>>72122599
Underwater, you can't wave a white flag.
>>72122069
We are your best ally. Never forget.
>>72122069
I screenshot this, it's well said
>>72112308
Because our democracy is a joke.
>>72121273
>against Egypt lol
Literally lost ten men...
>>72125613
No, we elected him because we were tired of the manlet. We never loved or trusted François.
>>72126065
>tired of the manlet
Hollande is not any taller than Sarkozy.
Why does Australia needs such an expensive military anyway? You're pretty much like Britain except there is noone in the vicinity who could or would ever care enough to invade your country.
>>72126011
Did you take the canal?
>>72100722
>Oi m8, this submarine is stuck in reverse
>Oui, it is designed that way - It's a military submarine.
>>72100722
good luck getting the smell out
>>72121707
>And remember that you lose all your wars since 1945
Yeah, I guess so. That's why Korea is a unified Communist state, Noriega is still in Panama and Saddam rules Iraq with an iron fist.
>>72115162
>reading comprehension
>>72121939
If a security situation escalated tomorrow in NE Asia, the only countries that could affect change are US, Japan.
France can't do anything, we need to better integrate with out allies in the region to make the most of our resources.
>>72100722
$50 billion holy fuuuuug!
This was even in Norwegian media. Apparently the Japanese government was "extremely disappointed" by the choice.
Norway will buy new subs soon too, but these are too large for Norway. I'm hoping for the German Type 212 (or the French Scorpene).
