Does /pol/ approve of torture?
>>72068889
Do you approve of terrorism?
on non-whites yes on whites no
>>72068889
Define torture
>>72068889
i hate it. it's degenerate.
>>72068889
We are going to do a hell of a lot worse than water boarding, believe me
absolutely degenerate
>>72068932
No. But I don't approve of torture either
>>72068972
What about women?
>>72069001
Physical or psychological distress or suffering being put upon a victim
>>72068889
yes
>>72068889
No citizens should be tortured, except those convicted of treason by a legitimate court of law.
Non-citizens are fair game.
>>72068889
It depends.
On honorable soldiers who fight in uniforms and do not attack civilians or torture our own soldiers? No.
On terrorists who hide and kill women and children? I say we do a hell of a lot worse than anything their degenerate minds could conjure up, like drowning Mudslimes in pig blood.
In certain circumstances yes.
Not a fan of physical torture for information though, people will lie to get out of the pain.
Very much a fan of torture for punishments for major crimes like murder.
As someone who has done capsaicin pain tests, I think using it for punishment would be wonderful, injection right under the fingernails is pretty awful.
>>72068889
Absolutely, torture is great.
And can someone please explain to me what's so bad about waterboarding? It's just pouring water over someone's face isn't it?
>>72068889
Of course
>>72068889
Torture is perfectly justifiable, and very useful, in certain situations.
It's no use as a general interrogation technique.
>>72068889
With moderation like everything in life
>>72069444
What do you like about torture?
Hell yeah
Squeeze that tiddy masked man
>>72068889
I agree with water boarding and sleep deprivation.
Anything that doesn't cause disfigurement is alright.
Never for US citizens
>>72069638
Gets shit done and lets the bad guys know we're serious
In certain situations it might be necessary.
In most situations I would probably not approve, however.
No. If you're in a position to torture somebody, then that person is posing no credible threat any longer. You gain nothing from torturing them other than a sick power play out of it.
I say kill them with as little pain as possible and move on.
No. That shit belongs in the dark ages.
>>72068889
Yes
>>72069444
Nice trips. It's horrible to be waterboarded but it leaves no lasting physical damage.
If you have good reason to believe a man has information that could save an innocent life, and you don't waterboard him for that information, you are placing a higher value on his comfort than on an innocent life.
For what purpose?
From what I understand, torture is subpar at best as an interrogation technique, so what reason would you torture someone than to get some weird jollies out of it?
>>72069444
It simulates drowning. I've been waterboarded before and it sucks. Drowning is the worst possible death.
>>72069168
What's the line between interrogation and torture? The line has to be drawn somewhere if you oppose one but support the other.
No.
Torture is something only a derange untermensch or subhuman kike would come up with.
For information extraction, simply applying force to whatever the subject cares about works best, grab his family or other important things, works every time.
As for punishment, as civilized men using torture to punish people only creates a deranged animalistic culture that takes entertainment out of suffering.
For the worst offenders, have the death penalty, and shoot them like dogs in a concrete room and give them an unmarked grave.
End of story.
This isn't for their sake, it's for your own.
the moment you become sadistic as a people is the moment you devolve like we have now, our society loves to see inmates suffer in jail and mutilate eachother.
>>72069876
Interrogation is simply questioning a suspect for information. This can be done with out violence as done by the FBI many times vs the CIA
>>72069799
So is the only benefit to waterboarding is that once it's done, they can be dried up and no-one would be the wise to the fact that they were tortured?
Sounds good but surely there're other, more painful options.
>>72069742
>not a threat
>nothing to gain from torturing them
these things aren't mutually exclusive.
>>72069870
Well you're not very imaginative
>>72069967
Interrogation is done through violence. Otherwise the person can simply leave.
>>72070021
There's no point hiding what you've done, but there's no need to damage them for life.
>>72070021
If you're waterboarded you can live a normal life afterwards. Not if you've had a limb cut off or something.
Not for interrogating people, it helps no one if you get people to confess to things that just are not true. Torture really doesn't accomplish anything useful other than make you feel better about being angery.
Yes, if it's for greater good and by greater good I mean stuff like saving child's life and not like fighting unspecified terrorists.
>>72070216
You can't just walk out of a police station while being interrogated, but they aren't going to rough you up like in the movies either.
>>72069742
>What is Intel
If you capture a big fish of an enemy organization you can cut his fingers and rip his dick off for Intel.
>>72070091
More?
>>72070271
>>72070242
Why not just waste the guy after you've got the information?
>>72070308
If they were lying you come back and torture them some more. If they were telling the truth you tone back the torture.
>>72069838
to make them tell you shit right now
torture is very useful for time sensitive, and easily verifiable, information.
it's not to be used for general interrogation, only for times where you have specific things you want to find out.
"where is the safe house before they move?"
"where is the bomb before it goes off?"
"what is the password before it changes"?
etc
see >>72070091
>>72070396
>If you capture a big fish of an enemy organization you can cut his fingers and rip his dick off for Intel.
No you stupid spic, once you take limbs or a mans dick he's likely to accept death or simply say anything out of agony.
This is why you monkeys throw heads on the hood of cars like that makes any kind of statement.
No, to torture a man for intel, you waterboard him with nice comfy break for hours on end, or if you're on a time schedule, find his family and threaten to rape them in front of him.
You cut a limb off in torture and it's proven people go into "DO IT FAGGOT MODE" and stop cooperating
>>72070396
part 1
Height of the antipodean summer, Mercury at the century-mark; the noonday sun softened the bitumen beneath the tyres of her little Hyundai sedan to the consistency of putty. Her three year old son, quiet at last, snuffled in his sleep on the back seat. He had a summer cold and wailed like a banshee in the supermarket, forcing her to cut short her shopping. Her car needed petrol. Her tot was asleep on the back seat. She poured twenty litres into the tank; thumbing notes from her purse, harried and distracted, her keys dangled from the ignition.
Whilst she was in the service station a man drove off in her car. Police wound back the service station's closed-circuit TV camera, saw what appeared to be a heavy set Pacific Islander with a blonde-streaked Afro entering her car. “Don't panic”, a police constable advised the mother, “as soon as he sees your little boy in the back he will abandon the car.” He did; police arrived at the railway station before the car thief did and arrested him after a struggle when he vaulted over the station barrier.
>>72070399
> Torture people
> Some don't talk
> Kill 'em
> Some do talk
> Turns out they were lying
> Fuck them up real bad, then kill 'em
> Some do talk
> Turns out they were telling the truth
> Get them a lawyer or some shit and stop torturing
> Sooner or later prisoners get the message
>>72070396
part 2
In the police truck on the way to the police station: “Where did you leave the Hyundai?” Denial instead of dissimulation: “It wasn't me.” It was—property stolen from the car was found in his pockets. In the detectives' office: “It's been twenty minutes since you took the car—little tin box like that car—It will heat up like an oven under this sun. Another twenty minutes and the child's dead or brain damaged. Where did you dump the car?” Again: “It wasn't me.”
Appeals to decency, to reason, to self-interest: “It's not too late; tell us where you left the car and you will only be charged with Take-and-Use. That's just a six month extension of your recognizance.” Threats: “If the child dies I will charge you with Manslaughter!” Sneering, defiant and belligerent; he made no secret of his contempt for the police. Part-way through his umpteenth, “It wasn't me”, a questioner clipped him across the ear as if he were a child, an insult calculated to bring the Islander to his feet to fight, there a body-punch elicited a roar of pain, but he fought back until he lapsed into semi-consciousness under a rain of blows. He quite enjoyed handing out a bit of biffo, but now, kneeling on hands and knees in his own urine, in pain he had never known, he finally realised the beating would go on until he told the police where he had abandoned the child and the car.
>>72068889
Enemies often have no useful information. They can be freely killed.
Those that do should have it extracted via truth serum. No fuss.
>>72070396
part 3
he police officers' statements in the prosecution brief made no mention of the beating; the location of the stolen vehicle and the infant inside it was portrayed as having been volunteered by the defendant. The defendant's counsel availed himself of this falsehood in his plea in mitigation. When found, the stolen child was dehydrated, too weak to cry; there were ice packs and dehydration in the casualty ward but no long-time prognosis on brain damage.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/torture/#CasStuBea
>>72069168
Psychological? !?! You do know the CIA NSA types are hyper trained in brain fucklery right?
ALSO the non-damaging physical shit is there to soften up the mind on tougher nuts so they can begin raping their grey matter.
>>72070091
drive from where you found him to where he stole the car in the first place
>>72070736
>Sooner or later prisoners get the message
What message?
>>72068889
I have some ideas. Like for instance one that would require ausbros. Aussies make platypus farms. They supply us with plat-venom. We inject a terrortard in the nuts and lower spine with said venom. Once they stop screaming a few days later we have a little chat.
>>72070663
Stop it with your projecting fucking leaf.
You cant talk about torture to a fucking Mexican you ignorant twat.
You throw heads and corpses on public places to deliver a message, that opponents shall not be tolerated, these corpses exhibit large amounts of abuse and torture, putting fear into men´s hearts.
You dont threaten them to rape their family in front of them, You rape their family infront of them and then dismember them slowly, if he hasnt talked already then ´pluck his fucking dick off ,fingers,then the skin, if he hasnt already then he is a hardy motherfucker, just ensnare him in barbed wire and burn him alive.
So shut the fuck up about torture and using corpses as messages as you know jackshit about it.
Remember that killing your enemies makes them win
t. Medspic who has to deal with the fucking mutilated corpses every fucking weekend, not something i am proud of.
I don't support it unless it's an extreme case in which hundreds of lives would be directly saved. If anything, it only improves the enemy's morale and makes them fear capture more than death. Shit like Abu Ghraib does nothing more than make us the bad guys.
>>72070831
>>72070767
>>72070705
Ty ahmed. Really appreciated
>>72071014
Well if everyone who talked come back and says they're getting a lawyer and a trial and everyone who doesn't or who lies is heard screaming for hours and then never seen again, what would you do when it's your chance to talk?
>>72071179
>if he hasnt talked already then ´pluck his fucking dick off ,fingers,then the skin, if he hasnt already then he is a hardy motherfucker, just ensnare him in barbed wire and burn him alive.
this is why you spics will never have a functioning society beyond narco states
in torture you need to keep the actual torture within a threashhold of pain and soberness, too much pain or too much trauma and the person breaks and wont help you, now extremes like you listed might work on say, getting info about some drug deal or smuggling, but to actually use that type of torture on say, military men trained not to talk and loyal to a nation or ideal, good luck.
American soldiers in nam had their fingers nails pulled out with bambo, their nipples cut off, and burned all over, and most didn't talk and accepted death.
>>72071542
Even then i have talked with the narcos who were directly involved in the torture and the poor observers who almost die of shock, some survivors too.
I dont have experience with trained individuals but i assure you that this works fine as fuck with civilians and thugs.
These people dont value their life or value as human being so they dont have any kind of treshold for their methods.
And the priority isnt much as to getting their intel but in delivering a message that dealing with them will bring severe consequences.
And you are pretty eager to talk about shitholes when your country is going downhill fast.
>>72072118
>And you are pretty eager to talk about shitholes when your country is going downhill fast.
We'll probably be a failed state like greece, but it's a stretch to think we'd even approach anything south of the us, we don't have the climate to allow giant insect hive slums.
>>72068889
I approve of enhanced interrogation carried out by specialists in the field. And in violent, bloody excecutions of zero-doubt convicts of crimes like pedophilia, domestic torture and child abuse.
>>72072387
>crimes like pedophilia
>literally just being attracted to children
>thought crime
Kill yourself statist faggot
>>72068889
It's ineffective as an investigation technique.
With torture, you can make anyone say anything.
Now, punishment, on the other hand...
>>72068889
on non-citizens
sure
fuck'em
We're not even fighting other armies. we're not torturing an every day soldier, a man fighting for his country. We'd be torturing people who, simply, hate us.
>>72070021
no no no
You only have so many limbs to cut off
with waterboarding, give em a few days to recover and you can get back at it.
>>72068889
Depends
Are you training or getting intel?
>>72068889
Depends. An ideal case would be one where torture is not used at all.
Torture is a high-risk, high-reward move. Its risks can be mitigated. It is easier to use torture in retaliation, especially if the enemy is torturing sadistically.
A strategic asset to be used sparingly, and at the right time, for the right purpose.
>>72070216
What do YOU define as torture?
