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>God-tier
Methodist
Anglican
Lutheran
>High-tier
Presbyterian
Othodox
>Mid-tier
Calvinists
Episcopalian
Atheism
>Low-tier
Baptists
Non-denominational
>Shit-tier
Quakers
Seventh-day adventists
>Heresy-tier
Islam
Judaism
Catholicism
Mormonism
Jehovah's witness
>>71995456
>muh sect is better than yours
Low energy b8, Schlomo. Try again.
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>>71995610
Buttmad catholic heathen.
>>71995456
>>Heresy-tier
>Islam
Islam is like 99% simular to Christianity, why don't you like us?
>>71995686
We don't condone child rape, for one.
>Lutheran
>God-tier
Haha, no.
>>71995712
Neither does Islam.
>>71995835
I forget, how old was Aisha when Mohammad pig fucker raped her with his tiny semitic cock?
>protestants
>not heretics
I so badly want to marry somebody like christ-chan
it hurts bros
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>>71995900
>>71995899
Age is just a number.
Also, Muhammad never raped Aisha.
>>71995686
oh I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that you're blowing our shit up
>>71995952
Just go to church then. be careful to find a good church. Also be careful because there are also bad women going to church.
>Baptist as Low-tier.
>Presbyterian as High-tier.
Fag detected.
>>71996010
It's weird how /pol/ prides itself on being "red pilled", but believes every jot and tittle of anti-Islamic propaganda spread by the media...
Do I need to remind you who owns your media, anon? And do I need to remind you that the Quran is a perfect recitation, free of error or falsehood?
>>71995990
Fun comic book on Muhammad.
http://www.islamcomicbook.com/pdfs/comics/english/MBOE.pdf
It depicts how Muhammad was a lunatic fag pedophile and the Qur'an truly is a stupid caveman book.
>>71995990
They always want it, the little sluts
>Atheism
>Not Heresy-tier
>>71995990
Age happens to be the number which determines if they were capable of giving consent and the answer to that is "no" as she was (according to the most generous accounts) as old as 13 years old.
Child. Rape.
Muhammad was a top-tier biologist.
>>71995456
Catholicism is great because our churches and ceremonies are drenched in visual/auditory beauty and antiquity not like protestants and any other fucking iconoclasts that were mentioned. Church should make you feel closer to god and sure i dont agree with the pope but its all about the individual experience.
>>71996239
You're using the same sort of arguments against Islam that fedora-tier atheists use against Christianity. Why are you on /pol/ and not /r/atheism?
>>71996410
Have you dyed your hair red yet, Mudslime?
Get off /pol/. Nobody wants you here. Allah is a demon and your false prophet is roasting in Hell.
Muslims be like "We all worship the same god, Christians!!!!"
>>71995456
>"""""god-tier"""""
>Anglicans
Faggot-enablers created out of one man's lust and need for unsanctioned divorce
>Lutheran
More faggot-enablers, who forget Paul wrote "Suffer not the Woman to teach".
Female priests are a no-no, Heinz.
>Methodist
I don't know much about you guys, so we're cool, I guess.
>>71996306
I don't need to shell out millions of shekels to your greedy churches for fancy stained glass murals to feel closer to God.
>building of earthly treasures
>closer to God
Just no
>not just living by christian values
>>71996289
>he believes children magically become adults after the earth has orbited the sun an arbitrary number of times
Sure is redpill in here.
>Lutheran
>God tier
Nice one, very funny.
>>71995990
>Age is just a number
Nice, will try to use that one in court tomorrow. "Anders totally liked the Anal bead's, and age is just a number anyway"
>>71996306
Holy fuck Catholics are deluded.
>surrounding yourself in Gold and Greed makes yourself closer to God
>>71996485
>your false prophet is roasting in Hell.
?????
Even if you believe Muhammad is bound for Hell (that's blasphemy btw, you might want to watch that), it's a fact that nobody is going to Hell until after the final judgment at the end of days.
Proof that /pol/ is just playing pretend-crusader and doesn't even have a basic grasp of Christian doctrine.
This thread is an embarrassment. Are there any actual Christians who'd like to debate a Muslim (or better yet, have civil dialogue), and not these phony crusader-wannabes?
>>71995456
>Lutheran
Have fun being saved on faith alone. :^)
>Catholicism
I didn't ask for the antichrist to be my pope.
Why are protestants always so retarded? They get stumped once and again in every single theological matter, yet somehow they always dare to come back repeating their empty propaganda that only shows how little they know.
They are hyper emotional children who think any of their 3847538457384 denominations is any better than the other ones.
>>71996708
>Nice, will try to use that one in court tomorrow.
Appeal to False Authority. God's law > human law.
>>71996744
>Spending money to have beatiful objects and symbols of devotion everyone can see is surrounding yourself in greed
>>71995456
Orthodoxy should be above all your cucked bullshit sects. We are the first, the last and the only real dogma of Christianity
>>71996765
Nobody wants to talk to you faggot, go back to the sandbox. Ew.
>>71995456
I want Christ-chan to sit on my face
>>71997142
Seriously though, you argue like an atheist.
Just to clarify though, you DO believe in God, right?
>Low-tier
Baptists
>then proseeds to add athiests above.
Your not a christain are you?
they are our enemies you and me both hate their guts.
tell me one true christian that hates a Islamist
Not even the pope does you fucking wanker.
B.S Protestant lies.
>>71996284
>muhammad checks his digits.jpg
>>71995686
>Islam is like 99% simular to Christianity
It's closer to Judaism actually.
>>71997025
except gnostic christians were there before you.
gnosticism was born about 80-100 ad. orthodox catholicism 200-320 ad, and it got infiltrated by the jews.
>Catholic isn't God Tier
>Catholic isn't the ONLY thing in God Tier
Catholicism is the religion of the Pope, who's role can be traced back to Peter, who was appointed by Jesus himself.
How dare you heretics betray Jesus.
>>71998354
True, but this is a Christianity thread so I made the comparison to Christianity.
And Pope Francis is a good Christian, who acknowledges the divine inspiration of the Quran.
>>71995456
Give me a reason why I should choose Methodism, Lutheranism, or Anglicanism over, say, Baptist strictures.
>>71995456
Hey the Catholics should be God-tier. dont pin them altogether because of their new pope
>>71996765
Your on the wrong website for debate, but try stormfront.
>>71995456
>>71995456
>>71995456
FUG OFF ERETIC :DDD
>2016
>sky dady
I don't understand, why is atheism even listed, and why is it mid-tier?
>>71995456
>ctrl+f "agnostic" 0 results.
Please enlighten me OP. What -tier am I?
>>71999468
>>71999500
>>71999535
dont listen to eretic OP he dont know what speaking about :DD
>>71999187
>we were the first so the truest!
Sound like a historical fallacy. Catholic church and their teachings are so far removed from the Bible they can hardly be called Christian at all
>>71999535
How does it feel drowning in relativism and being incapable of making moral judgments with any more weight on them than a murderous psychopath?
>Real-tier
Kekism
>>71995456
https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity
>>71999626
Both sides have no 100% proof, so I just wai until I die (if god(s) exist, then I will probably land in hell anyway, since there are so many religions that could be the "right" one.
>inb4 it's islam)
You forgot Puritanism.
>>71999596
It's not so much "we were here first!" as it us "This is what Jesus himself said"
>>71999747
Puritanism is Calvinism
>>71995456
I don't know about the denominations. Where does CofE come /pol/?
>Anglican
Anglican is literally the most cucked religion on the planet.
>>71999713
You draw the line somewhere with everything you encounter. You think your hand exists, despite the fact it could be an illusion. So I find it pretty absurd that you refrain from making the same kind of judgements in regard to other things like God.
>>71999764
Calvinists believe in pre-destination. Puritans do not.
>>71999843
http://www.shmoop.com/new-england-puritans-pilgrims/religion.html
check mate
>>71999821
I'm not a hardcore agnostic. It's just the one I agree the most with.
(Maybe there is something more accurately representing my ideology, idk.)
>>71995456
Catholicism is the only legit form of Christianity on that list, everything else is heresy.
>>71995456
Deism?
>>71999990
There's no such thing as a perfect agnostic. Everyone draws a line somewhere, even if it's only an operational one. That's why I find the position silly - why maintain doubt about one proposition because it's arcane while simultaneously operating on other equally arcane propositions with no scruples at all? That's certainly not sincere to skepticism.
>>72000076
You'd certainly like to believe that. Otherwise you'd have to believe your priests are full of shit.
>>71999187
>Catholicism is the religion of the Pope, who's role can be traced back to Peter
So claim the heretics. Catholicism began with the schism, almost a millennium after the death of Christ.
>>71995456
>falling for the Nazareth jew
Christianity: the original cucking.
>>72000163
Well, you can theoretically use that argument on every christ, jew, atheist, whatever.
No-one can completely proof that they are right as of now.
Where does the universe come from? If god made it, where does he come from? This can go endlessly. Everything has a beginning and we might never actually find out the answer.
For what I know is that, at some point, the physical laws have been broken. You can't create something from complete emptyness, but it must have happened.
>>72000273
There's no Biblical precedence for apostolic succession.
They appeal to tradition to justify apostolic succession, appeal to authority to attempt to validate the tradition, and appeal to apostolic succession to try and make the authority actually mean something. It's viciously circular reasoning.
>2016
>believing non-fiction
fucking religious cuckolds for """"""""""god""""""""""
>>72000589
>Well, you can theoretically use that argument on every christ, jew, atheist, whatever.
Kind of. The main line against agnostics is "you already do it - pretending you can't in this circumstance because of the reasons you specify is disingenuous", whereas an honest person in the other positions isn't pretending they're not staking a claim because of some reasons while simultaneously staking claims against that reasoning in other areas - they're very obviously staking claims. There is God. There is not God. Etc.
>>71996239
Muhammad suffered from seizures!? Holy shit, so much makes sense now.
>>72000716
You are honestly the first guy I had a /comfy/ talk with in a religion-thread for more than a month or so.
>>72000899
Odd. They're not usually that bad, especially not compared to other topics. At least by this board's standards.
>>71996655
how autistic are you?there isnt anything magical about that
>>71995456
>Anglican
>Our cuck of a king was too beta to have a son, so we made our own religion and pretended like we're just as valid as the other protestants
>>72001222
His point is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the metric by which we arbitrarily choose to measure age. Because it doesn't - the metric itself doesn't do anything at all.
>>72001454
but it does
>>71995456
>Lutheran
>State-worshipping sycophants
>God tier
ha ha ha, good one
>>72000491
T. Sven Cucken
Fuck off with your violent heathen barbarian religion. Faggots like you should be burnt on a stake.
>>71995456
How old is your church, man ?
Mine is ~2000 years old.
>>72001517
No, it doesn't. In the next moment, the earth could slow its orbit around the sun and it could take 1.1x the amount of time to finish a full orbit, which would turn a measure of 10 years into being equal to the current 11 by the same standard of measurement. Time has literally nothing whatsoever to do with the metric we arbitrarily use to measure it.
>>71995456
all are herecies except orthodox
please learn what the fuck you're talking about
>>72001739
its an universal thing that all humans accepted
>>72001918
It's actually not, since there are other ways people measure time in the world, both in the past and now.
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/classroom/chinese-new-year/time-activity
>>71995456
Grew up Methodist. It is absolutely haram. Any denomination that allows women priests/pastors is in direct opposition to the Bible.
Certain independent Baptist churches are the closest I've found to actually teaching the word as the Bible lays it out. Everyone else makes exceptions and rules to try and be PC or appeal to liberals. Fundamentalists and even most evangelicals have watered down their faith to try to keep their church numbers high (it isn't working of course, people can see right through the contradictions).
>>72002102
ye but its the most used one
>>72002111
>Any denomination that allows women priests/pastors is in direct opposition to the Bible
Can you cite me where God forbids women to speak His Word?
>>72002150
That means nothing?
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/24/Appeal_to_Common_Belief
>>72002169
1st Corinthians 14
>>72002217
it does
>>72002289
It logically *DOESN'T*.
>>72002276
God doesn't say anything in Corinthians. That's Paul.
>>72002335
how so?if something is majority its going to used the most
>>71995456
>"Non-denominational" lower than athiest.
Ha
>>72002443
That doesn't mean it matters or that anyone should care about it. The majority of people used to believe the world was flat. The majority of people today believe nuclear power plants can explode like a nuclear bomb. People still value diamonds. The fact that some arbitrary number of people do or believe something means absolutely nothing toward the validity or justification of that belief or action.
In the case of time measurement - there's no "right way" to measure time.
>>72002169
Speaking God's word and holding positions of authority are entirely different my friend. See 1 Timothy 2:11-14 and 1 Corinthians 14:34.
>>72002372
So Paul is just making this shit up? Also check galatians 2:20
>>72002678
There's no authority but God. You citing Paul doesn't mean a whole lot to me, since I don't take Paul very seriously.
>>72002738
I tend to believe Paul was saying what he thought was right, but that wasn't necessarily what God had in mind. He was just a man - he was a man who was instrumental in spreading Christianity to the Romans, but he was just a sinner like the rest of is nonetheless.
>>72002765
>since I don't take Paul very seriously
And in the trash it goes
Red pill me on seventh-day adventists, /pol/
Why do yall keep shitting on us
>>72002855
You have a reason I should take Paul seriously?
>>72002765
So you aren't Christian? Okay. Good day sir. I hope you find Jesus.
>>71995456
>Western religions
>Outside of shit tier
>>72002606
it doesnt have to be right,but if majority is using it its going to be accepted.they burned people for saying earth is not flat,they are locking people for being pedos if they fucked kids that have age under 18,accoring to most used system.If its wrong its gonna be proven at some time,but untill than majorty is going to be the law
>>72002956
Where does God say "thou shalt follow the word of Paul"?
>>72002964
Who cares if something is accepted or not?
>>72002919
Maybe because he's the person who introduced christianity to greeks and romans, and they are people who converted basically rest of the world? Maybe because he's one of the main authors of New Testament? Maybe because he's an apostle of Christ??
You are fucking with me, aren't you?
>>72003057
the law
>>72003070
So because he was a missionary, we should follow the word of Paul as law? What other missionaries should we follow their opinions as if they came from God Himself?
>>72003104
Who cares about what people write on paper?
>>72003131
>>72003118
You are serious?
>>71995456
>Anglican is god tier but Episcopalian is mid-tier
Aren't they essentially the same thing?
>>72003131
people who dont want to go to jail
>>71995456
>Christian
>Not Muslim aka someone going to hell
Pick one
>>72003202
Answering simple questions is much too hard for a drunken Finn.
>>72000491
>Kike behind a mask.
>>71995456
>all these shillings lately
we need a fucking purge
>>72003235
So I make it the law that you can't breathe.
Everyone agrees with me.
Means a whole lot, doesn't it?
>>72002738
Saul never met Jesus and literally changed over 600 laws to appease the romans. He was literally a cuck in terms of religion bending over to pagan tradition to get shekels and converts
>>72003312
no,because thats fucking retarded and makes 0 sense.pls stop typing
>>72003343
That's a bit much. I don't know that Paul was a conman. I just suspect he might've been. Either way though, the Finn can't give a single reason unique to Paul that's a logically valid reason for believing his word functions as commands of God and not just the opinions of Paul.
>>72003262
>So because he was a missionary, we should follow the word of Paul as law? What other missionaries should we follow their opinions as if they came from God Himself?
Yes, we should follow other Apostles too. You know why? Because their writings are inspired by God.
>>72003403
The law doesn't have to make sense - it's the law. Your country operates under this retarded legal theory, and so do most others.
http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1941&context=mulr
>>71996170
Everything I know about Islam I've learned by reading the Koran and history.
It is you who have been deceived friend. Mohammed was a false prophet who barely understood Judaism and rejected Christ. He built his own religion to fit his pride and his concept of what God "should be". His teachings are man made, and were inspired only by Satan.
But God is fair and just, and if you seek him in humility he will reveal himself to you. Islam destroys the spirit and perverts God's truth, but God is greater. If you seek him in humble diligence you will always find him.
>>72003343
>Saul never met Jesus
He did though, on the road to Damascus.
>literally changed over 600 laws to appease the romans
Proof please?
>>72003445
So anyone who is inspired by God can speak as if they were God then? Ok Finn - how do you determine someone as being inspired by God vs someone who simply claims they are?
>>72003586
No, Paul never met Christ. He claimed he had an epiphany - not that he met Christ. The better question, though, is why should you believe him?
>>71995456
>God-tier
>Protestant
>High-tier
Orthodox
First of all, die heretical scum.
Second of all, why the fuck do you guys like us? Both of you Protestants and Catholics, is it because you realise we are more legitimate that the other, but your inflated egos don't acknowledge the fact that we're more legitimate than you?
>>72003508
yea too bad that dumb shit u came up with as an excuse will never be one
>>72003434
I'm sure you can't give me a single reason unique to Christ that proves He's the Son of God and the Christ
>>72003623
You're not very articulate.
>>72003648
You're right. I'm going to believe He is though. Why should I extend belief anywhere else?
>>72003613
Why you should believe him eh? I don't know about you but I believe in him because the Twelve did. That's enough proof for me that he was man of God.
>>71995456
>IF YOU ARE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN, YOUR RELIGION WAS FOUNDED IN THE YEAR 33 BY JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD. IT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME. OUR CHURCH IS NOW ALMOST 2,000 YEARS OLD. AND IT IS FOR THIS REASON, THAT ORTHODOXY, THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES AND THE FATHERS IS CONSIDERED THE TRUE "ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH." THIS IS THE GREATEST LEGACY THAT WE CAN PASS ON TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THE NEW MILLENNIUM.
>If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.
.
>If you are a Muslim,your religion was founded around year 600 by a rapist,pedohpile and thief band leader,Muhammad who plagiarised the Quran
>>72003788
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
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>If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther a 120kg priest in 1517, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, who uncovered the Catholic papist church falsity. In doing so he showed that the Papacy didn't go back to the time of Christ, was based on a gross misinterpretation of the Bible.
>If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry
>If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
>If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
>If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century
>If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
>If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628
>If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774
>If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829
>If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865
>If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
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>>72003768
Where in the world do you get that the other Apostles endorsed Paul? Oh, right - from Paul's writing.
>>72003815
DAILY REMINDER:
vs Christian Zionism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtz995yz4-s
vs Jews
http://www.preteristarchive.com/ChurchHistory/0386_chrysostom_adversus-judeaus.html
vs Turks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVGTudBwR6Q
vs Catholics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuw_ZD_Wnlc
vs Protestants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGtQpLmEP14
vs Atheism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaWnGqNZb9c
vs Communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoAEKHBtNIA
vs Muslim refugees
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/86743.htm
vs ISIS
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-syria-air-strikes-are-holy-war-against-terrorism-says-russian-orthodox-church-1521847
vs Pop Culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfY_ERWNjb4
vs Moral and Social issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIdSsQ9Ea8
vs Girly Pastors, Feminine Churches, men not acting like men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFlC3mwRjP4
>>72003660
do u want me to?
>>72003788
>>72003815
>>72003863
Keep spreading his word fellow believer
>>72003863
I would wipe the floor with the Protestant-vid man. Talking to thin air is pretty easy since the thin-air doesn't get a word in edgewise.
>>71998636
false, the gnostic christianity is heretic and not even considered christian.
>>71995686
>99% similar to Christianity
Top kek
>>72003948
Begone heretic with your man made sect.
>>72003891
"Do you want me to" is not an intelligible response to "you're not very articulate".
>>72003613
Because by all written witnesses Peter believed him as did the living apostles.
Paul is a man, as are all the authors in the New Testament. Many Christians overemphasize Pauline ideas, but that doesn't mean he should be disregarded. Luckily, the Lord promised us a Comforter, the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Christ, the guide us.
That's where I'd ultimately choose to root my faith; in God, not men or books.
>>72003983
Yeah - why argue a case when you can call other people names and circle-jerk?
>>71995456
>Christfags calling Jews heretic
>>72003986
u dont understand what I was trying to say?
>>71995456
why does she always look tired and worn down?
>>72004013
Paul is the one writing about Peter. So you're not actually believing Peter - you're believing what Paul says Peter said about Paul.
>>71995456
>Catholicism
>Bad
Go away
>>72004041
there is no case to argue with ehretics.Wolfs in sheep skin.
>>72003852
He also taught the same things as Christ and His Apostles if you compare their writings? Are you also claiming that Gospel of Luke and Acts of apostles aren't reliable? Why do you keep posting smug anime faces, they are only going to make you look like fool when we are discussing about serious topic.
>>72004135
>there is no case to argue with heretics
Which is why you felt the need to post videos of people arguing against the positions of other Christians?
>>72004041
There is no case to argue
Orthodoxy has remained unchanged since its foundation
And Protestantism is simply theories pulled out of pastors asses because they were edgy and hated the Pope.
NOTHING TO ARGUE ABOUT
>>71995827
Sweden is on its own tier of fucking retarded in that regard, just like it is in every other category.
>>72004167
He did in some degrees, but he also came up with material himself that isn't touched *at all* in the Gospels.
>>72004204
I'm sure smug anime girl will prove your claim wrong...
>>72004178
>positions of other Christians
You are not christains and the videos are simply to embarass your sect.
>>72004204
>Orthodoxy has remained unchanged since its foundation
I find it *SO HILARIOUS* that Roman Catholics say *EXACTLY* the same thing.
Why the fuck is baptist low tier. It's like a lighter version of Methodist but conservative as fuck.
>>72004228
>but he also came up with material himself that isn't touched *at all* in the Gospels
Like what?
>>72004279
There's nothing embarassing about blatant logical fallacies. But using "logic" and "orthodox catholic" in the same sentence is hilariously contradictory in the first place.
>positive Christianity
>not above all the others
>>72004281
>le smug animu faic
L0000L u got meee
Nice strawman by the way...
Orthodoxy never changed
Whereas Catholicism has changed, you should see the East-West Schism if you want to know more.
>>72004103
Who wrote Acts?
How do you know?
>>72004330
You don't know what Orthodox and Catholic means huh...
Okay, I found the perfect site for you http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
>>72004293
Like the policies in 1 Corinthians 14. Or the policies in Romans 13.
>>72004281
There is a difference between saying and actually being.
Catholics say that they are unchanged too but the problem is that they believe that the extra 100 added heresies dont disrupt the Holy Scripture, thus by their opinion, they are unchanged.
The difference with orthodoxy, is that we added nothing in plus or minus, thus we are unchanged in the truest meaning.
>>72004330
Im orthodox christian not catholic heretic.Yours words are weightless for me, heretic sheep.
So let me get this straight...
Anglican - which is clearly an offshoot of Catholicism, only with divorce, women as priests, and pretending like faggots are okay - is "God Tier."
Orthodoxy - which is in communion with the Catholic church and agrees on all of the doctrines except the ones supporting the Papacy - are "High-tier."
Catholicism is shit tier.
> mfw you're a stupid fucking nigger.
>>72004354
>strawman
It's *SO FUNNY* that you don't know what that means. And by funny I mean really really pathetically common. Roman Catholics say they haven't changed at all. So do you. Why are you right and they wrong?
>>71995456
ey, Calvinist bros are at least High-tier
>>72004501
>Orthodoxy - which is in communion with the Catholic church
False.The Catholic sect along with all the other sects were anatemised by the orthodox church.
>>72004501
It's obviously bait.
Pretty funny bait though, the placement of atheism is great.
>>72004505
Because there is nothing different about Orthodoxy then and Orthodoxy now
Whereas Papal infallibility and the fillioque have existed ever since the Schism, not before it though.
>>72004464
They call you heretics. You call them heretics. You're both full of shit with no way to establish which one of you is right - you each just insist you are. It's like watching two fat obstinate children scream at each other that the other is wrong and they're right.
Dad works in the Vatican and he basically said the Orthodox church is in deep talks with Rome to re-unite the Catholic (One and Holy) Church.
I am pretty excite.
>>72003306
>ye are of your father, the devil
but yhwh/yahweh/jehovah is the father of all jews.
>>72003949
constantine, the founder of catholicism and the guy who ended up compiling the bible that both catholics and protestants use was originally gnostic.
he was forced to convert when jewish shills started promoting the good goy version, aka old testament.
gnostic bible also speaks of jesus, but without the "muh israel, muh jews, muh jehovah" judaist lies to control the goyim.
if you believe in jehovah, you're best goy.
yes jesus
no jehovah
the source is jesus's and our father.
jehovah is satan's true name. he is also el, aka the god of the golden calf. el shaddai, el elyon, the old testament's god calls himself that, inadvertently giving up his true identity. the devil.
>>72004589
>You're both full of shit with no way to establish which one of you is right
One has uncahnged Holy scripture and Traditions.The other added a few over a hundred heresies since the Great Schism.
Catholicism was the same as Orthodoxy before the Schism.
>>72004619
This will never happen, truth will never unite with lie.Your sect was anathemised a thousand years ago.
>>72004619
Yeah, that's the freemasons' doing.
Don't buy into their shit
When the Churches unite, armageddon rises.
>>72004421
>1 Corinthians 14
It's also written in First epistle of Peter that women should stay subservients to their men.
>Roman 13
Gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke all imply that you should listen to earthly authorities as well. And it's in First Epistle of Peter too.
>>72004380
I don't know. It's a Paulite though. Either Paul himself, commissioned by Paul, or a person who otherwise felt the need to write about Paul.
>>72004103
>>72004380
Answer me tripfag.
I'd love to be enlightened about your deep knowledge of the legitimacy of Pauls in the early church.
>>71995456
>methodist
>God tier
Pick one
>>72004652
Nice fantesy.
One Church Jesus founded.And guess what, its not the gnostic one.
>>72004575
Funny.
http://catholicbridge.com/orthodox/has_the_orthodox_changed_any_teaching_or_doctrine.php
>>72004464
you did remove stuff before the schism, like the book of enoch. an even older sect of orthodox catholics, the ethiopian orthodox church kept the books you removed.
you're no different from catholics.
>>72004770
Truth is, the Church has no idea who wrote the Gospels.
Only that they were witnessed and co-atuhored widely.
4chan christians are as obnoxious as Reddit atheists. Can both of you fuck off?
>>72004665
They say you've made changes. You say they've made changes. You're literally just both insisting you're right. It is an intellectually *pathetic* sight.
>>72004755
So you don't know anything about exegesis either? Well that's great! I just doubt you are a christian at all. What sect are you part off?
>inb4 not any sect, i'm edgy like that
eat a dick m8
>>71995456
>God tier
Eastern Orthodox
>Heresy-tier
everybody else
>>72004799
I'm sorry, did Jesus ever talk about fucking contraception.
Those doctrinal changes are just the Church changing from its very conservative teaches.
Plus, that's not "part" of the doctrine, accepting contraception or not.
>>72004734
>epistle
You're not talking to someone who uses the epistles.
>Gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke all imply that you should listen to earthly authorities as well
Cite it. They don't.
>>72004792
you'd know, you were around when that happened.
let's ignore the fact that christian church didn't even exist until 325 ad.
the idea that it existed from day 1 is historical revisionism, just like trying to mask the east/west split.
>>72004770
I answered that.
>>72004900
samo jebi
>>72004868
I went to seminary. The likelihood you know a single thing about Scripture I haven't been over in detail over the course of my life is almost 0.
>>72004837
>i am agnostic moderate
>>72004919
>You're not talking to someone who uses the epistles
No. Way. You. Are. Being. Serious.
>Cite it. They don't.
Matthew 22:15-22, Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26
>>72004918
It's hilarious, because any criticism you direct at Catholics saying they've changed is met with the same answer. "The doctrine has always been the same - this isn't a change to doctrine. This is just a clarification to make sure church policy is in line with the doctrine".
Absolutely pathetic.
>>72004755
>>72004770
Thanks.
You're right it's obviously someone who knew Paul, and was involved in the early church. However, there's no evidence the person was only loyal to Paul, or was some heretic that Peter rejected. So all in all, it seems like a reasonably reliable witness.
Acts strongly suggests Paul was accepted by the early church including Peter. It also shows that they disagreed sometimes. I think this means that everything we read in the NT, including Paul's words, should be given the benefit of the doubt where appropriate, but ultimately tested through prayer.
>>72004937
u didnt answer me about how making a law that forbiddens everyone to breathe is close to any existing one sense wise
>>72004678
so let it happen.
do you really want to live in this shit world under nwo who use all manner of religious scriptures and pervert them to their own liking to destroy morals, corrupt civilization and plunge humanity into another great reset and stone age?
at least once this world ends for good we'll return back to our rightful, original spiritual bodies, no longer hindered by the disgusting flesh or reincarnation-style slavery that near death experiences and hypnotic regressions confirm exists.
>>72004815
The book of enoch is not part of the holy Traditions nor the Scripture, thus its irrelevant.
>>72004792
Just read the first lines
>Currently, the vast majority modern Eastern Orthodox bishops directly teach that contraception is acceptable in marriage
False lie.Contraception is punished gravely here by the orthodox priest.
>>72004848
But they have to prove that we made changed.
And yes, catholics added a few hundreds heresies after the Great schism, this can be seen with the own eye.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm
>>72004933
No, it didnt exist from day 1 stop exagerating, I never claimed this.It was founded in year 33 by jesus Christ.When the Church physically first appeared is irrelevant, this is like saying that Hungary didnt exist only untill 1919, since the Hungarian Kingdom was not a feudal state.
>>72005095
>Matthew 22:15-22
Oh I love this. Tell me, Finn - what does not belong to God?
>>72005139
>reincarnation-style slavery that near death experiences and hypnotic regressions confirm exists
elaborate
>>72005109
They claim we have become Arian and Nestorian whereas the Orthodox doctrine does not go by these heresies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism
We go by the trinity as it's regarded
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Holy_Trinity
>>72005128
It's conjecture on the loyalist part. There's no way to confirm either way until we stand before God Himself.
I don't care what humans did or have done. I only care about obeying my God. It's why appeals to tradition mean absolutely nothing to me - for all I know, Christinaity has been mispracticed since the moment Christ left the apostles after rising from the dead.
>>72005078
No I'm Catholic I just want the circlejerking of you faggots to go away
>>72005139
>so let it happen
Do you think I could stop it? It's God's plan.
>>72005207
>what does not belong to God
Well Yankee, everything does belong to God but some things also belong to humans as well. Now you are basically trying to speak against the Christ it seems...
>>72005322
So you're non-denominational then, not a protestant.
>>72005195
I don't have to prove shit, because I don't give a fuck - your argument is with Catholics. Whether you have changed or haven't changed is *irrelevant* to me. What the problem is that at the end of the day, you can't support that you actually haven't changed - you just insist you haven't.
>>72004085
POO
>>72005267
They say you're heretics. You say they're heretics. I honestly value your opinion virtually not at all, since I know the logic you're both employing - you simply dogmatically insist you're right and everyone else is wrong, and you'll keep doing that until God finally judges your dumb ass.
>>72005378
>you can't support that you actually haven't changed
The burden of proof is on you to prove that we changed or ahve added even the smallest change in Holy Tradition/Scripture
>I don't have to prove shit,
LMAO
>>72004918
but you know on some level its not that bad the doctrine is to protect potential live yeah i know the embrio could not live without mother etc... but if you goes that way hitler did nothing more then make a postium abortion on every jew ...
>>72005363
So something belongs to Ceasar that does not belong to God? Is that what you're implying?
>>72005457
My church is the real church and exactly what the original churches practiced like. You have to prove me otherwise, or else it's true.
ROMANIAN LOGIC LAMO!
>Baptist
>low tier
Haha ok
He probably thinks southern Baptists (niggers) and westboro are the only ways that Baptist exists
>>72005457
>The burden of proof is on you to prove that we changed or ahve added even the smallest change in Holy Tradition/Scripture
Dude, obviously he's going to find a way, the guy doesn't believe catholic epistles are reliable!
>>72005488
No I didn't.Everything belongs ultimately to God, but God doesn't want or need your money unlike the emperor.
>>72005589
So what is Caesar's? The fact that Caeser wants my money makes it his?
>God-tier
>Leftist revisionist Christianity
>Cuckold church of England that changed regularly to suit whatever king was ruling at the time
>The original heathen
Nice bait bru, better go wax ya deck bru
>>72005451
Religion doesn't exist in heaven, it exists for the idiot humans to know what they're doing, that's why ours remained unchanged.
Plus, I've provided arguments for how the Catholics have changed, making their arguments retarded, whereas you haven't given me any evidence of us changing, instead of a Catholic site that said we were Arian/Nestorian (blatant lie) and how we "accept" contraception.
>>72005485
Contraception doesn't prevent the embryo from becoming a human, it prevents the embryo from being inseminated, thus, you don't kill a human being, you just don't make the human being.
>>71995456
>Mid tier
>Atheism
1/10 got me to reply, cuck.
>>72005451
Orthodox and Catholic church were the same before the Great Schiss.It was divided into West and East.The Great schism was the first time when the West church added a heresy, Filioque.Thus we told the Pope to get the fuck out.The West church change the name to Catholic , while the East into Orthodox.
In year 33 , Jesus Created the One True Church, which was split, but had the same doctrine, in West and East.After the Schism, the West called itself the Catholic one and changed the doctrine while the East called itself orthodox and kept the doctrine
Just to clarify, Orthodoxy derives from Orthodoxia (pronounced Orthodoksia) and the two words that consists of are Orthon (Ορθόν - correct/true) and Doksa (Δόξα - glory/faith), and the word orthodoxy is to litteraly describe practices and beliefs that haven't deviated from original teachings.
I.E. an orthodox can be a marxist that follows Marx's teachings to the letter. Cultural marxists are revisionists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy
>>72005549
I only have to prove that all other churches are heretic.The bruden of proof is on non-orthodox to prove that orthodox church is heretic.
>>71995712
The Catholics sure don't seem to mind it.
>>71995456
>Retard-tier
(You)
>>72005622
>So what is Caesar's
Money for example, as Christ obviously states. Twisting His words is something I wouldn't do, just fyi.
>>71999626
How does it feel to be able to act like a murderous psychopath and know it is alright because you found something in the Bible that was kinda like your situation that seems to justify it, or if you couldn't find anything, oops, sorry, won't do that again, forgiven and saved.
>>72005657
Marxism goes against religion
>>72005195
yes it is. it was selected by the original councils. it was just later that some guy didn't like the idea of angels mating with human women to create giants, and instead decided to pull the "sons of cain and daughters of abel" bullshit, and lobbied to have enoch removed.
the propaganda is that "it was removed because it's not part of blah" rather than "removed, we're just as bad as protestants who also removed books" to save face.
it's no less valid than genesis or exodus.
>>72005245
near death experiences make people experience all kinds of deception. they meet jesus on the other side. he's white, or black, or however you imagined him to be. dindus see WE WUZ SHLOMO AND SHEEEIT black jesus for example.
or it's mohammad. or your family. then they try to convince you to step into the light, promising heaven or other great things.
hypnotic regression expands on that, and adds stuff about evolution of consciousness, and how for some unexplainable reason you need to have your memory erased and be enclosed within flesh which drags you down for that to happen.
of course, when you think about it, the very moment your memories are erased any progress you made is lost, and you're bound to repeat your past mistakes again, never reaching the level of experience needed for any evolution to happen.
and the flesh makes sure to keep you grounded in materialism and lust if you don't get lucky enough to have some kind of epiphany that makes you realize it's the mark of the beast, rather than just having shallow indoctrination you don't really believe in.
>>72005658
The numbers of child rape amoung religious clergy is the same amount all Christian religions. Stay goy'd by the media, though.
>>72005640
I don't give a shit whether you've changed or not changed. If your whole shtick is to model yourselves after the first practicing Christians, I think the first practicing Christians were just as wrong as anyone else. Christ gave them dictates, lessons, commands - and they largely didn't understand them from day 1 right out of the gates. Low and behold - most people don't nowadays either!
>>72005657
>I only have to prove that all other churches are heretic
So... do so.
Hitler was Catholic. Enough said. Be like him.
>>72005766
That is just speculation you've pulled right out of your ass.
Not an argument.
>>71995456
>Catholicism heresy
Nice try.
>>72005706
>as Christ obviously states
Christ never says money is Caesar's. That's nowhere to be found in the verse.
He says "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". Everything is God's. That's blatantly obvious to a Christian. Therefore you render everything unto God - Caesar is owed nothing.
>>72005757
>yes it is. it was selected by the original councils
No, Ecumenical councils didn't decide biblical canons my muslim friend.
>>72005811
Hitler also hated Catholicism, should we be edgy atheists like him?
>>72005731
There's nothing alright about sinning, which is what acting like a murderous psychopath entails.
Maybe try reading the Bible instead of watching bananas being shoved up a grown man's ass.
>>72005755
Im talking in the last sentence about orthodox meaning in general not about the orthodox church.
>>72005757
No it wasnt.
>>72005784
Just did up.
All other Churches , except the orthodox one, were founded by men.
