>/pol/ will defend this
Is be okay with it being free if acceptance rates dropped dramatically.
Free college works in those countries because a good majority of the population go to technical/trade school or do no school at all after high school.
Libertardations like you are a cancer on this metropolis
>free
Where is it 75000 dollars to go to college? If you don't have the money then don't go to that University/college. You can also put in for scholarships. If you do well enough at a sport you can often get a full ride.
>free
>occupy democrats
>>71961110
Exactly
>No women. Or at the most, the smartest .001%
>no Mexicans
>no blacks
>no Chinese
>no Asians
Pretty much just white men. As it was intended
I pay about 220 eurobucks each semester
sure I could get an interest-free student loan but that's still a big stretch from "free college"
>>71960955
I pay around 3,500 reais for college, if you want free college you will either get a shitty philosophy/liberal arts/administration degree or you study yourself to death and manage to get in 5 years after graduating in highschool.
That or you're black and get in through affirmative action quotas, don't say shit like that, the federal schools are also legitimate commie spawning mosques, those people although highly educated also manage to be just as retarded.
>free
>>71961266
Because the majority of people are that great at a sport
Most colleges outside the US don't provide a residential environment to the extent that colleges and universities in the US do.
Not many dorms, no dining halls, barely any amenities, etc.
They provide an education first and a "college experience" last. Apparently supporters of "free college" literally want their entire lives subsidized, because American students pay for living expenses when they go to college as much as they do for their degree.
>>71960955
>My family pays 45% income tax and German universities are complete shit compared to the US campus experience and quality of education except for 2 good universities that require you to have traveled to Angola to rescue starving niglets and have a 100% score on every exam since kindergarten only to be surrounded by antifa non gender binary queers who will trash your apartment if you don't let achmed and tyrone live with you
alright bud
There isn't any such thing as "free".
It's being paid for through taxes.
>>71961017
I'm dead.
I'm a Bernie supporter tho.
>>71961598
This .
German universities in no way compare to the quality of US campuses
>chile
>free
>>71960955
And one of those countries absolutely dominates higher education.
Bet you can't guess which one.
>give half of your income to the government so that your country's youth can attend university for free
>they don't bother, and those taxpayer funded free rides are given to immigrants instead
Seems like a waste of money to me, personally.
>>71960955
Guaranteed replies
>>71962473
There was another South Texas anon that said you guys have a few government universities that don't charge tuition, but only rich kids get in. Can you confirm?
>>71960955
How many free college countries have put a man into space?
>>71960955
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""free"""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>US still dominating in innovations and scientific discoveries
>>71962567
Which one?
>list of countries with a GDP of more than 17 trillion
the god damn united states of america
>list of countries without a GDP of 17 trillion
literally everyone else
>>71960955
The cost is not free, that is the price paid.
>>71962788
Australia please....
>>71962850
Thanks ausbro. Maybe we'll divert some of those trillions to your Department of Shitposting
College here is free for the people who can afford not to work or go to private schools
>>71960955
Because things of value have an intrinsic cost. You will never win this debate.
>>71960955
College is actually free in the USA. Well, not if you're white, but fuck those crackers anyway.
>>71960955
"free"
but yeah college being overpriced is a problem in America
>>71961110
that's the thing , they will keep making access for minorities easier , so it actually ends up hurting middle class white families
>>71960955
How is it free when it comes out of your taxes?
Why are people so dumb
>>71960955
>over half of the top 50 schools are in the US
hmm
>>71963262
the 1% will pay for it :>)
>free
Student housing at Kennesaw State University. This isn't a high quality school. Just an average state school. This is where loan money goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXC9zjHz6Cg
As much as I hate Baby Boomers, at least when they went to school they lived in residence halls with at least one and often three roommates and a single shared bathroom per floor. Dorms back then were a single room with multiple beds and desks with little else. Now kids go to college and live in fully furnished apartments along with hot tubs, swimming pools, athletic centers, bars, and tons of other amenities.
Kids get angry when they leave college because they experience a significant decline in lifestyle. Instead of having huge loans covering all their expenses, their first job can't cover the cost of the same lifestyle plus they have to start paying off the huge loans they ran up while in school. So of course they're marching around screaming "Education is a human right" when what they really mean is that they wanted to be taken care of forever without paying for it.
>>71961598
My uni has halls and even food service for three years, and it's way closer than any yank uni. And nearly everywhere does halls and accommodation for first years.
>>71960955
Having state universities cost zero dollars is a good thing. Education helps technological development and improves the material conditions for everyone. Seriously, most public universities produce actual research, although some could be closed.
Private liberal arts colleges are the ones producing all the things you don't like.
>>71960955
Every state has free or government-subsidies state colleges that can get you a 4-year degree for less than $10k, yet these kids insist that their parents send them to liberal brainwashed party schools on loans that they can't pay off with their liberal arts degrees.
>>71963410
>having to share a room
What is this faggotry?
>>71960955
College in the US doesn't have to be free. It just needs to be less expensive and the loans non-exploitative.
It's only free in BRland if you pass the "entrance exam" they give you. Basically, if you're a white middle class person it's really hard to get into the free federal colleges, as we call them. But if you are black and/or also have a low income it gets that much easier because of affirmative actions. If you fail, there's always shitty-tier paid private colleges which are the worst in the country and their diplomas are laughable. (one could even say the diplomas from our free colleges are laughable, internationally. But at least they're worth something in Brazil)
>>71961498
Where do you study, anon?
>free
>>71960955
>free
>implying Eurocucks don't pay that much, if not more, for college through taxation
>implying you don't pay the equivalent in your own shit currency over your lifetime either
Idiots
>>71960955
>Chile
>Free college
Hahaha Nigga Like How Does Chile Have Free College Like Nigga Just Get A Fucking Job Stop Mooching Off THe Government Like You Can't Even Get A Scholarship Pay That Shit Like I Can't Even Hahahahahahaha
Free college is fucking retarded. It enables people to study useless things and then those same idiots cry when they have no jobs that match their education. Oh geez, I wonder why no one will hire you when you have that degree in "some stupid thing that has no use in society and there are no jobs for it because of that". And then the same idiots enroll again to study another useless degree.
>GDP per capita of the USA 55k dollars
>GDP per capita of Chile,Brazil: 20 bananas
>GDP per capita of western Europeans: 30k before taxes, 20 croissants after taxes
If """""""""""""""""""""free""""""""""""""""""""""""""" college worked then the american universities wouldnt be the best in the world and their scientific research the most advanced.
>>71962666
Not the anon you >> to but yes, yes you can get scholarships but only if you live in a literal piss-poor shithole. Otherwise nope. You're rich!
>>71960955
WHY WOULD THIS OFFEND /POL/?
THEY'RE TOO RETARDED TO GO TO COLLEGE ANYWAYS!
>>71960955
Yes I will defend this. With the outmost conviction. "Free" college, which just means that the tax payers have to pay your NEET bucks and entire education, create three things:
>political agitators subsidized by tax money who also happen to subvert your institutions and create a self supplying proxy-socialist industry of useless beaurocracy and sensitivity trainings, coaches and NGOs
>eternal students starting a new degree over again and again, never actually entering the workforce, but receiving massive ammounts of education costs
>a metric ton of meme degrees, which also cost the tax payer a lot of money, but will never ever benefit society - I am not talking about basic research, but about the 200 professors for gender studies we subsidize with state money for example
Completely "free", tax subsidized, studies are utter shit. They are a mistake.
What we should do instead is find a compromise and add a full year of preparation filled with constructive work, orientation, exploration and courses to prepare for university. So you will know what you are qualified for, what fits you and then you study it, completely or partially self financed.
>>71960955
God damn Americans... first we're gonna FORCE them to use the metric system, then we're gonna FORCE them to have a descent health care system.
Europe ALWAYS leads the way
>>71962718
This guy gets it. Same story with """"""""""free"""""""""" healthcare - we lead in medical R&D because we invest in it through pricing.
>people need college degrees so they can compete in the workforce
>everybody has a college degree
>degrees don't matter anymore
Ahh so I see the way to make something more valuable is to introduce more of it! Genius. What we need isn't more useless degrees. It's more low-skill, high pay production jobs. We need to make incentives for businesses to come to/be made in America (or come back) while still ensuring the working man makes a comfortable wage. When everybody has a degree it doesn't matter. This is all under the assumption that we have the jobs to sustain the 'new wave' of people that would have college degrees.
>>71961598
>don't provide a residential environment to the extent that colleges and universities in the US do.
We do have residentials here in Portugal, and i guess in every university. Sure, they are not luxurious, but they do the trick.
>Not many dorms
Enough
> no dining halls
We do have.
> barely any amenities
What is this?
>They provide an education first
That is the whole point, yes
>"college experience"
We do have plenty of experiences, yes.
>entire lives subsidized
What is so wrong with wanting to work for something that literally everyone benefits from it? And not finishing it with horrendous debt with a kike interst rate?
>American students pay for living expenses when they go to college
So do we.
>>71961374
you are delusional if you think what you just said true
>>71961374
If you want to see the demographics of what only the smartest 0.001% of people attending college would look like, look at Caltech. You will not like what you see.
>>71962671
You do now college was almost free for americans back then?
>>71964845
most people joined the service
>free
>>71964822
Asian?
>>71963262
It's a easier way to say it. But you fucking retards keep insiting on stuff like this. Everyone understands that college will be tax funded, but since you guys live in a bubble and don't talk with many people, you end up thinking like that
>>71963317
>>over half of the top 50 schools are in the US
According to? And in what have they supported the conclusions?
>>71964945
Mostly Asian, Jewish, and white. I don't know why this would surprise you, since the average IQ for northeast Asians is at least 5 points higher than for whites.
>>71960955
>Free
Not for much longer
>>71964893
And everyone else payed off their tuition by working holidays and summer jobs in between semesters.
Yes, people all around the world sure are clamoring to get into those prestigious Chilean institutions of higher education.
>>71965075
When did I say I was surprised? I make this point constantly when white people bitch and moan about college's diversity quotas. Asians are the one's that are hurt the most by it.
>>71963967
But you pay taxes, and on top of it, you pay loans.
Top cuck
>>71960955
when america has about the population of all of the 8 shit countries with free college and 20 times the amount of cunts that dont pay shit for taxes it makes sense.
>>71963262
>not understanding that the cost is significantly lower when you distribute it among a larger population, resulting in a much more educated society which will drive innovation forward
Libertardians everyone
>>71964607
>we lead in medical R&D
Not true. UK, Denmark, Germany and Austria have more R&D expenses in medical research per capita then USA
And if it were true, then well, thanks sucker for paying for my cheap pills
>>71965251
lol fag, something like 40% of Ivy League students are Jewish
>implying Jews aren't a minority
>>71965251
Your argument is a well known fallacy
>there exists another problem -- SO LET'S IGNORE THIS PROBLEM THAT WE ALSO HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>71965251
>Asians are the one's that are hurt the most by it.
This is accurate. Diversity quotas don't even help poor minorities, for the most part - they mostly aren't getting anywhere near the test scores needed for admission.
It just makes the school look "diverse and inclusive" when they take the children of, for instance, wealthy Nigerian immigrants and write newspaper articles about how diverse they are.
>>71960955
Chile has one of the strongest communist youth movements that literally put the country on a standstill some years ago because they do NOT have free college.
Why do you keep spamming this image knowing as a Chilean that it's factually wrong?
>>71960955
>Brazilian free college
Enjoy all those minority quotas lmao
>>71960955
we have free college?!
>>71963808
Not all private colleges are bad anon.
Theres actually quite a bunch of decent ones
>>71961374
You lost me at Asian you whites get your asses handed by them at intelligence on a daily basis
>>71965595
>Chile has one of the strongest communist youth movements
this is fucking true, we're doomed
>>71964347
>Being in college means you're smart
Spot the retard
>>71965789
Name'em
>>71965863
UNP in Natal is actually pretty OK
>Brazilian college
>Free
We also have the highest taxes in the world and we're a third world shithole. Good luck with that.
>>71964697
> introduce more of it!
Why? Free college means less people may have it. Since you guys seem a little dumb i will explain in a simple way:
You have 5 apples. If you seel them fast, then you may get more apples and sell them even more expensive next time to the first bidder.´
But if you have to give them, you would give them to the hungriest. And since you wouldn't have much money to buy a next batch of apples, you would have to stop buying those speacial apples, and keep to the essential (green and red apples)
It's a bad analogy, but i think the point gets through
>>71965834
Actually, Communism is good and inevitable. Maybe Latin Americans are just too dumb to develop the means of production needed for communism, their IQs aren't that high on average.
>>71960955
To be fair, the US has more than half the top 20 universities and the rest have 1 or 2 combined.
>>71960955
>Not a single college from any of the "free" countries in the top 10
kek, you get what you pay for, cuck.
>>71965176
Who is clamoring to get in USA uni?
Chinese? Indian? Africans?
>>71965554
Your country is a well known African colony.
>>71966075
Literally everyone is clamoring to get into the top US universities, or they should be, at least.
There aren't a whole lot of relevant research universities outside of the US, UK, Germany, and Japan to an extent.
>>71965411
Brazil has almost 200 millions people.
>>71965957
>>71965983
Based on what?
>>71965464
>Stuff is cheaper when I make everyone else pay for it unproportionally
Libertarians know this. We just think people should pay for their own things
>>71960955
All of those countries spend almost nothing on defense because it is supplied by the US....weird!
>>71966320
Yeah we have 200 million people and the most outrageous tax rates in the planet.
We paid roughly 65 trillion reais in taxes in the last 4 months,yet our country is still shit and many institutions are still underfunded.
>>71966320
>Based on what?
Research output.
The top schools endowments are, in many cases, so high that there is basically no need for them to charge tuition at all.
If education was free, wouldn't that mean for specialized jobs, your boss could pay you less?
One of the main barriers to entry is the tuition to do skilled jobs, making them not only rarer, but also payed more.
I think the problem comes from people who go to university and aren't dedicated enough to go the full 4 years, but swap to something else, that pays less or nothing at all.
Also creditors have a huge risk giving money to people for 'education'. There is no collateral for the loan. For example if I give someone money for a car and they don't pay me, i'll take their fucking car.
But with education I can't just fucking take 'their education' I don't get a return on investment for sinking some stupid fuck into debtors prison or fucking their credit score. That is why interest is so high
TL;DR
>no collateral means you pay more
>higher barrier to entry means you can charge more in your profession
>don't be a fuck, go into a major that has jobs and electives in stuff you like
>>71966474
>>71966320
651 Billion
Sorry about that
>>71966272
I don't know anyone trying to get in a American university, nor have i heard of a flow to American colleges from Europeans. Most of europeans want to go to English uni, since they offer very good PhD programs.
>US, UK, Germany, and Japan
South Korea? Austria? Australia? Switzerland? France? Netherlands?
>>71965595
Only some of them were commies, which then were elected deputies. 99% of the movement was apolitical.
Communism is mostly ridiculed in youth circles.
>>71965251
>da white ppl be oppressin us
Kill yourself.
>free
no it's not, it's subsidized, meaning the government (through taxes) pays most off the costs
but you still need to pay a bit of entrance fee here in belgium, about 600 euro per year) and all other costs (housing, transportation, books and material...)
and since it's paid through taxes, that means every taxpayer pays for everyones college fee, for as long as you pay taxes
but it's not free ya dumbasses
>>71966374
So libertardians are just muh feelz?
>>71966474
I get you. It's our problem, but i guess to a smaller extent. And with this world cup and Olympic games. It must trouble deeply a man that actualy looks to this things.
>>71966501
>Research output.
Number of papers? Number of citations?
>>71960955
Jesus christ.
I love how the US mocks every country about like five things each and yet their own country is a fucking joke.
"Developed" my ass.
>>71966504
>If education was free, wouldn't that mean for specialized jobs, your boss could pay you less?
Why? There are only so many people graduating from real schools with given degrees.
>>71966609
>South Korea
Not that relevant in the grand scheme of things. As far as I can see, the Asian universities lean more towards preparing graduates to be salarymen in big companies. They don't seem to have as much contact with Western institutions.
>Australia
They're becoming more relevant.
>France, Switzerland, Austria
Obviously, I can't list every country, I should have just said NW Europe.
Maybe it's just a Euro thing to apply for Cambridge or Oxford. Americans don't do so as much because the funding situation is weird, as far as I can tell, at least for graduate school.
>>71966811
Relevant papers, citations, etc.
There is literally nothing wrong with public funding of higher education, as long as it's not bloated with massive amounts of inefficient institutions and admittance is exclusive.
In fact, it's better than higher education as business where any moron can attend as long as they have enough money.
>>71966504
>wouldn't that mean for specialized jobs, your boss could pay you less?
You think your boss pays you according to your school tuition?
>>71966800
We all understand this bro. Next time someone mention free college, i will give him this copypasta to replace.
>>71960955
use my country for leftist propaganda on /pol/ one more time faggot i swear to god i'll stop you like the head of a sociology teacher
>>71966800
Meaning people who don't even to go college are paying for it for others. I just don't see how anyone can think that's right/fair.
I mean I can understand taxpayer funding for K-12 where everyone is forced to go, or you get a voucher/tax return if you don't use the system and instead home or private school your kids. But for voluntary education like college it's a ripoff for the people who don't go.
>>71966811
No i just dont want to pay for some rumbas kid to get a creative wiring degree and then go wait tables afterward. College is not a right its an investment in your future that your responsible for. I never went to college so why do i have to pay for your ugly children to go?
>>71967267
>I mean I can understand taxpayer funding for K-12 where everyone is forced to go, or you get a voucher/tax return if you don't use the system and instead home or private school your kids. But for voluntary education like college it's a ripoff for the people who don't go.
It's not a ripoff. Funding smart people to receive higher education is in the best interests of the people who don't go, because technological development will improve their living conditions.
What there should actually be, is fewer colleges. At least in America, many of these colleges are not producing any research of value, and are providing a poor education to students and only facilitating the student debt problem. They should stop existing.
>>71967267
socialism in a nutshell
>>71966985
Austria is Central Europe, but ok.
> Euro thing to apply for Cambridge or Oxford.
Apparently they offer(or offered) very good master and PhD programs. virtually all my uni teachers made their PhD in England.
>Euro thing to
i can speak for my country only.
>Relevant papers, citations, etc.
It doesn't matter, because they probably count those women deggres papers in this kind of studies
>>71967145
The point is even Brasil, being the poverty ridden hellhole it is, can offer it's citizens free/affordable higher education.
Obrigado pelos videos do Me Salva! deram jeito algumas vezes ;)
>>71967795
Because of the outrageous taxe rates we have.
>how to get into private unis.
>pay money
>how to get into state subsidised unis
>have good grades.
thats basically what it is.
the problem is that subsidised unis should be controlled more by the state. instead of supporting the popular degrees, they should be forced to support the usefull degrees.
>>71967657
>Apparently they offer(or offered) very good master and PhD programs. virtually all my uni teachers made their PhD in England.
As far as I know, Europe has a different structure for undergraduate studies, where people specialize more from the beginning, and complete a BS in 3 years and an MS in 2, if they want. In the US you often have to take more fluff classes and it takes 4 years to complete your degree.
>It doesn't matter, because they probably count those women deggres papers in this kind of studies
There are rankings of world universities by research area. I don't know or care about the status of womens' studies research. Most papers in the humanities are neither read nor cited by anyone.
>>71965953
Shut up commie
>>71967267
A educated person is to the benefit of the country. Educated persons earn more, commit less crime...
And teaching and providing tools to our brightest his only good.
>>71967288
>I never went to college
So i just understand why some americans are so agaisnt. It's a childlike stance :"I didn't have it, so you won't have it too". Why do you wish harm to your countrymen?
>>71967557
>What there should actually be, is fewer colleges.
Exactly, America has almost 2 times the per capita student population currently in college compared to EU-28
>>71967795
>The point is even Brasil, being the poverty ridden hellhole it is, can offer it's citizens free/affordable higher education.
That's not a point. We wouldn't be so poor if we didn't spend so much to promote poor quality public services.
We also have a 'free' healthcare system, which is so good you will probably die before you get a consult. Want to use that to make a point too?
>>71968236
>A educated person is to the benefit of the country.
Yes,however,a person with an African-American dances degree is not in any way shape or form useful for the country.
This is the point,useless degrees should NOT be subsidised by taxes.
>>71968100
That is why private colleges are garbash in my country (well, except one) compared to public.
>>71968150
>As far as I know, Europe has a different structure for undergraduate studies, where people specialize more from the beginning, and complete a BS in 3 years and an MS in 2
Those who addered to Bologna aggrement, yes.
What is undergraduate studies? Is it a BS?
> fluff classes
We don't have those here. Maybe one or 2 in some deggres
>>71968292
Oh and don't forget the "free" public school,which is absolute fucking garbage and nest for future criminals and leftist teachers.
>>71966811
>You should pay for your own things
>This is a muh feelz argument
I guess this is the true effects of total drug legalization
>>71968547
Undergraduate = BS.
>>71968612
Drug legalization is good and should be done immediately. It's destroying Central South America and bringing waves of low-IQ immigrants into America who are trying to escape warzones that we helped to create.
>>71968292
You have to understand Brasil per capita income is very low. There simply isn't nearly enough money to have resonable public services. Corruption doesn't help either.
You actually think you would be better off if healthcare and education was private?
>>71968468
> African-American dances degree
There is no such thing in my country.
>useless degrees
define
>>71966757
>Only some of them were commies
>Communism is mostly ridiculed in youth circles
what?
>>71960955
>Free
>>71968768
>But in my country
>Not in my country
>However in my country
Comparing a small country with 10 million people with a continent-sized country with 210 million.
It just doesnt work that way
>>71968768
>African-American dances degree
You are lucky
Question for the foreigners, do your guys subsidized public universities offer women's studies, African studies, and similar degrees, or is this more a US-only phenomena?
>>71968612
Drugs are not legalized in my country. We simply stoped treating drug addicts like criminals and started treating them as sick people.
>You should pay for your own things
>This is a muh feelz argument
Yes. It has literally no basis in reality other then what you feel it's right.
You sound like that guy faggots here memed and immediately applied the cuck fetishes. Carl iirc. the "Are you kidding me"
>>71968984
Why wouldn't it work? Your actual problem is that your country is full of blacks and Amerindians. they are in general not smart enough for modern economies.
>>71968468
Art and lots of soft sciences are actually fairly useful really.
and if anything, conservatories and such are some of the strictest institutions in the country, each one only admits a maximum of something like 10 students in each subject per semester.
>>71969213
>Your actual problem is that your country is full of blacks and Amerindians. they are in general not smart enough for modern economies.
So is yours.
>>71969228
>Art and lots of soft sciences are actually fairly useful really.
Opinion discarded.
First of all, I'm pretty sure the image is wrong. Every time this image shows up, there's someone from one of those countries writing to say, "It may not be as bad as US tuition, but it's not at all free here". Second of all, admission in those countries is very strict, so much so that YOU probably don't get to go and may be totally screwed out of any chance of going before you hit your teens if they have a multi-track education system.
>>71961110
>>71961374
If you think for one second they'll make it the smallest bit harder for Tyrone and Sheniqua to get into college, you're as delusional as OP. They'll still score all the diversity points they can while working class white kids will get totally screwed out of college, and to add insult to injury, be forced to pay Tyrone and Sheniqua's tuition.
>>71968984
>Comparing a small country with 10 million people with a continent-sized country with 210 million.
So? 10 millions people is not a small sample. It's a perfectly reasonable comparison. You could make the argument of socio-economical differences, and i would accept it, but size is not an argument
>>71968986
I think UK as those recently. But yes, it's a US fenomena. After all those kike university need more students
>>71968768
> You have to understand Brasil per capita income is very low.
> Let me tell you about your country.
> There simply isn't nearly enough money to have resonable public services.
> One of the richest countries in the world.
> Corruption doesn't help either.
> Corruption is directly linked with the majority of our social programs, so much they even stole money from the school public meals.
>You actually think you would be better off if healthcare and education was private?
Seeing how I would probably be dead if I also didn't pay private healthcare (also, because I also pay the shitty public one) and that our public education is so bad that 99% of the people of my college came from private schools... what the hell do you think?
I would dump them in a second for the promise of lower taxes.
>>71969330
Look at the difference in average IQ between the US and Brazil. It's like 10 points. That's a huge difference.
>>71969330
Art and philosophy are the white man true occupation. I am a STEM, but i don't see philosophy and arts as menials deggres
>>71964433
you're gonna have to split them into self governing states first.
>>71969531
>He thinks that IQ means anything
Shit lad
>>71969415
Bigger countries end up having way more expenses than small ones.
>>71969619
>Art and philosophy are the white man true occupation.
They were when the world was uncivilized,today they are a bunch of wannabes and pot-smoking retards
>Modern art
Fucking discarded
>He fell for the STEM meme
My condolences
>>71969674
The average IQ of a country is extremely important to its economic prospects. How can you be on /pol/ and not know this?
>>71969619
This is true, with the exception of pure maths, STEM disciplines are neo-proletarian.
>>71960955
>free
fuck off, lying commie scum
>>71969973
/endthread
http://www.4icu.org/top-universities-world/
you get what you pay for. top 19 colleges in the world are in the US.
>>71960955
Weird how the value of education in those places is about zero too.
>>71969973
Most of those universities' endowments are so high that they don't need to charge tuition. It serves no purpose other than protecting the class interests of the rich.
>>71969846
By your logic Iceland is richer than Chile
Oh wait...
NOTHING IS FREE IT IS PAID FOR BY TAXES!!!!!
You are just shifting the cost from the person (student) to everyone, student or not.
>>71969346
It's already that bad here in commiefornia, getting so bad that people are actually talking about stopping or making quotas for people coming from out of state for college, since so many here can't even get in while people from out of state have both lowered standards and tuition.
>>71969674
>Bigger countries end up having way more expenses than small ones.
Partioned by a even larger population. Do you know what wholesale is? The bigger the better. A well managed Brazilian education could be cheaper per capita the a Portuguese one simply due to size, if all other things were equal.
>They were when the world was uncivilized
So you think you are superior to your forefathers? That you are so much better then them?
>today they are a bunch of wannabes and pot-smoking retards
Strawman
>Fucking discarded
Where diid i say anything about modern art?
>He fell for the STEM meme
;)
>>71969876
Yes, to a point.
>>71969973
They pull this same shit with their hur dur our health care systems are better then yours and shit to then BAM. You hit these delusional fucks with the facts. Capitalism > Then their shit teir socialistic backwater shit holes.
>>71970270
Iceland is a much nicer place to live than Chile, I'm sure.
>>71970128
Surprisingly the main university of Slovenia is actually really good.
>>71970232
What is endowment?
>>71970270
Isn't it richer per capita?
>>71970326
>You are just shifting the cost from the person (student) to everyone, student or not.
Exactly, and everyone knows that
>>71970420
So tell me, how was your stay in Cleveland clinic?
I don't even know what that chart is: "Ficheros ricos" lol wut?
>>71970528
How much money the school has, basically. Harvard's endowment is currently 37.6 billion USD.
>>71964845
No, they worked their way through school.
>>71970473
>>71970528
>>71970686
http://hospitals.webometrics.info/en/Europe/Portugal Their are around 70 hospitals in the United States in the top 100, your fucken country doesn't have 1 so, where ever I stay is better then your back water.
>>71970357
>Partioned by a even larger population. Do you know what wholesale is? The bigger the better. A well managed Brazilian education could be cheaper per capita the a Portuguese one simply due to size, if all other things were equal.
The bigger the more people wanting to go to college and more tax money spent on college,and in everything else in general,the more tax the less encouragement for business in general.
>So you think you are superior to your forefathers? That you are so much better then them?
Information is easier to reach today.
>Strawman
Stereotypes are often true.
>Where diid i say anything about modern art?
When you implied that arts degree is useful.
>;)
Enjoy not finding a job
>>71960955
>Free education from Brazil or Chile vs. paid education in the US
I guess you get what you pay for.
>free
>>71960955
It's not free.
The goal of creating an educational system that not only provides meaningful skills, but also is so cheap to produce that it's practically free is a noble one.
However, what socialist education system does is the opposite.
You've got a system that provides skills that do not help you get a job and grows more and more expensive each passing year as it's clogged with more and more bureaucracy and the costs keep bloating while the money that was supposed to be used for education ends up being used for pointless stuff.
>>71970699
Billion is thousand of millions, right?
37.6 thousand of millions is basically half of my country Anual budget. My country has to pay for everything, since armed forces, healthcare, public services...with half, (1/3 with exchange rates) of what Harvard is worth.
Just so you americans have some idea of the kind of wealth you guys have.
>75k
I wish it was that cheap
>>71970815
But college was basically almost free back then
>>71970874
crysis in '08 really hitted icelandics
>>71970895
Best in what? If its research then yes, its true, our hospitals are not research hospitals
But you have to understand our whole system functions with the same money one of your largest hospitals work with
>>71961498
>tfw studying based engineer in a federal university paying 0 reais
>>71970913
>The bigger the more people wanting to go to college and more tax money spent on college
No, the more people wanting to get in college, entrances are more tight
>Information is easier to reach today.
So?
>Stereotypes are often true.
True
>When you implied that arts degree is useful.
Sepends on your definition of usefulness
>Enjoy not finding a job
My deggre garantees me a job
>>71971643
Best in everything, that's the reason why the rich come to America for their healthcare needs.
It's not free.
It's funded by tax dollars, which you pay, and public debt, which you own a part of.
Do you want to pay (likely several times over) for college til the day you die?
>>71971797
Ok explain to me how is an arts degree useful to todays society.
>>71960955
>Chile
>free education
nice shitposting there
also, leave my country, and stop leeching my free education you retarded injuns
you do the same in argentina as far as i know
this fucking "chile is first world" meme is so fucking retarded, all you have is JUST the biggest reserves in the planet of the fucking most used metal in the history of mankind
and since that copper will probably never run off we're gonna have to stand your bullshit forever, when you country is ugly, more retarded that anyone in south america, your accent is vomiting-inducing, you're fucking ugly brown manlets
fucking MALIGNANT MISCEGENATION holy ballsack i'm mad right now
>>71968150
>As far as I know, Europe has a different structure for undergraduate studies, where people specialize more from the beginning, and complete a BS in 3 years and an MS in 2,
This is correct. We do not have fluff classes like you do, or prereqs, or anything like that.
You either sign up for the right thing straight away, or specialize very soon after you start.
>>71971911
So your healthcare is made to serve the American rich in first, then Foreigner rich in second? And you defend it? You feel proud that a foreigner rich can get top notch healthcare in America, but if you get a serious hilness, a huge debt follows?
But if we compare cancer survival rates, longetivity, newborn mortality Public systems like UK, France and Germany score better then USA.
>>71971963
Well, i don't mind having some Art student feeling better then me if he actively defends my country artistic patrimony. Philosophy majors are very intelligent people (some of them).
Arts deggre gets you jobs too.
>>71972289
BTFO
>>71972407
I wish the US was more like that, but I didn't mind the one or two fluff classes I couldn't test out of.
>"f""r""e""e"
>>71972618
>defends my country artistic patrimony.
You dont need to go to college for that.
>Philosophy majors are very intelligent people (some of them).
Doesn't matter,what does society get from them for paying for his degree?
>Arts deggre gets you jobs too.
Such as?
We live in the information age. We should be lowering the dependence on college, not increasing it. Most of what you learn in college you can learn on the internet. We should be cutting 90% of classes and only leave in the very advanced ones that require hands on experience and open dialogue with a trained professor.
Do you REALLY need to sit in a class for half a year just to learn how to do accounting? Or program? Or do finances?
No. College is a fucking meme now.
>>71972941
>Do you REALLY need to sit in a class for half a year just to learn how to do accounting? Or program? Or do finances?
If you don't have a degree nobody will bother to hire you because they can't be bothered filling in the gaps.
And this problem is only going to get worse as more people are imported from india.
>>71971054
i am laffin too
>tfw ENEM
free my ass
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/trump-loves-america
fuck you niggers
>>71972896
>You dont need to go to college for that.
But those that studies and are generally "inside" a subject usually take a more proactive stance in this subjects
>Doesn't matter,what does society get from them for paying for his degree?
Smart persons.
>Such as?
Museum curator.
>>71973349
>So i read in your curriculoum that you took your IT network systems masters watching "Eli the Computer Guy" videos on Youtube. Is that correct?
>>71960955
Le shilean free education meme
>>71966792
>graph about harvard
>data is from princeton review
Daily reminder that lolbergtarianism is a code word for anarcho-Judaism
>>71974666
Julie is a mongrel half breed.
>>71974770
That being said she does have huge delicious tits
>free
>>71960955
>$75,772
The fuck do you go to college for that much money that isn't part of the Ivy League meme? With my in-state tuition discount, my college degree will cost me about $20,000.
>"B-but I need to pay lots of money and see the world while I get my education. That's expensive though, so you should pay for me."
Fuck you, do it on your own dime.
>>71974770
you prefer that dogface CommunismKills?
>>71960955
>>71975950
Wow, thank you. It's a country ego boost seing such a thing. A little romanticized, but correct in all points
yeah, because the top 20 universities are in Brazil, Germany, and those other fucking places you delusional cuck. Oh, no wait, they're literally all in the USA except Oxford. Go fuck yourself you liberal arts major shitlord. Those of us who went into hard sciences don't give a fuck about you.
>>71960955
>free
>>71960955
>free
>>71975396
You mean mommy and daddy will pay for the $20,000 cost
>>71972289
SOLO LE PIDO A DIOS
>>71971403
>Just so you americans have some idea of the kind of wealth you guys have.
We didn't get this wealth from communism.
This is the eternal angle of those promoting socialism.
>"Look! We're so fat and happy! We have so much extra capital! Let's just share it. It won't matter! You'll still have all that you need!"
Yet, they fail to acknowledge that we gained our wealth through capitalism. They always cite countries that built fortunes through capitalism and have since turned to mixed social economies as examples of socialism "working", despite all economic markers declining with growing public spending. See: all of Scandinavia.
It is the equivalent of looking at Bill Gates' recent charitable work, while ignoring all of his work with Microsoft, and coming to the conclusion that giving away all of your money is the best way to become a billionaire.
College in Brazil is not free. SOME college here is free.
The good quality public free college is free... if you can be accepted in those. Ironically, mostly rich people get accepted in the good courses, like engineering and medicine. Poor people may try their luck with history and, maybe statistics.
I, for instance, am lucky to to study industrial engineering in a good university (best in country, actually). In a room of 70 motherfuckers, only I and other guy are poor, all the other classmates are fucking rich, m8.
>>71960955
yeah guys, blame capitalism!
$100 in 1754 =
$455 in 2016
You should be purged along with the 99÷ of this nation.
>>71976541
>2000-2002
Nice try burger
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/all-cancers/by-country/
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/worldwide-cancer/mortality#heading-Zero
>>71976541
You meant you gained all your wealth with oil and war profiteering? Well, like you said, capitalism
>>71975950
>ended war on drugs
Because it doesn't have a mexico that keeps importing them. Getting drugs across spain is actually hard.
>"DURRRRR police aren't busting le weed so they must be solving violent crime"
No nigger, they are just patroling more, which is useless.
>"DURRRRR le war on drugs is about prisonz"
Less rapes and less murders because less people and less immigrants/niggers
>Drug use in half
Because they are busing less people for drugs we know less about people using them
>Druggies finding jobs
Jobs amerifats would never do. Any former or current druggie can work at a McDonalds.
>>71975950
Is this shit per capita?
I think decriminalization is fine but just wondering how accurate this actually is.
>>71977538
We have Morocco, wich is the same. Spain is the major gateway of drugs in Europe.
>Less rapes and less murders because less people and less immigrants/niggers
Per capita you fucking nigger retard.
>Because they are busing less people for drugs we know less about people using them
People that are caught with drugs are still taken to police station sometimes. But instead of being treated as a criminal, they are redirected to a psychologist, or recomend him to go to rehab clinic.
>Jobs amerifats would never do. Any former or current druggie can work at a McDonalds.
Druggies are amerifats too. Sure, they aren't bank executives, but i have absolutely no problem with them having a job.
>>71977538
> Getting drugs across spain is actually hard.
We don't have borders
We should be more like Singapore desu.
>>71972289
>going to urgay to study
kek
>>71980294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GElMtULmag0
there you go fucking retarder leecher
get off my country and GO ASK YOURS about free education
stop leeching the education i pay with my taxes
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
i guess we gonna have to BUILD A WALL around our airport to prevent chileans to enter
>countries with massive socialist influence
Socialists have a strong interest in having the government control universities, because education is a method of capturing the minds of the new generation. Control the government, control education, control the masses.
Marxist rhetoric also tends to thrive the most in a university setting, where it is insulated from accountability to the effects of Marxism in the outside world.
>>71960955
>free
Yeah ok. I suppose all the teachers and equipment are donated and work for no pay? Kys violently
>>71963808
I'm studying law on FMP in the south, I'm white I swear
>>71981224
you are the sweden of south america, everyone is going to suck your country blood
>>71960955
Undergrad is still very cheap in USA because it is heavily subsidized. At a state school, tuition is still generally below the cost of room and board.
Too many people go to college as it is. We don't need to make it even cheaper so more dudebros and libcucks can pursue gender studies and underwater basket weaving degrees.
>>71981512
But muh free college
>niggers, spics, and white kids pretending to be either literally throw away their education, which is payed for by the state
>k-12 a free ride, apart from lunches
>same kids who are trying to support bernie, despite being painfullly unaware they can't until 18
>Somehow, they will magically show appreciation for the education they don't want, or have, if it becomes an extra 4 years
>>71983930
just wait until our government starts raking up the oil money the french/norwegians found on our ocean shelf
we're gonna be a mix between venezuela and sweden
future looks dark
>>71960955
>free
fuck off nigger
>>71984350
>Too many people go to college as it is. We don't need to make it even cheaper so more dudebros and libcucks can pursue gender studies and underwater basket weaving degrees.
And the solution to that is to select based on how much money you daddy earns instead of merit?
Fucking Americans. ITZ is written all over your country. You'll be eaten alive first.
>>71986497
I know you went to fucking leaf schools so your reading comprehension may not be all that great, so I'll repeat: the cost of state college is less than the cost of room and board.
Additionally, anyone can borrow more than 100 percent of the cost if they choose.
Giorgio pls go
>Free
>>71986884
Except state college are fucking shit and won't get you anywhere.
There's nothing wrong with the population sharing around the cost of higher education, especially since it also involves trade schools and other formative places.
> Netherlands
> get more then the cost of college
> I get payed to go to school
>>71988036
Did you see the college ranking post above, leaf? Most of the top 50 in the world are burger state funded schools. Didn't see any "free" leaf schools listed either
>>71970333
In almost every other state, tuition is lower for residents. I went to a pretty cheap college in New York and it's almost $5,000 more a semester if you are a resident of a different state. Fortunately I have relatives in New York, so being able to pay in-state tuition was easy. I don't think standards are any lower or higher though.
>>71961110
Here we have free education and probably at least 30% of total population go to college eventhough not even 30% of that 30% ever get the degree. They just go to college because they don't want to work and need an excuse to be mantained by their parents. Eventually they drop out because they are shit students.
In my career, we had 150 students in first year, in second year, 40, in third year, 15, in fourth year, less than ten. So you see, it's pretty fucked up. I don't think we should pay for education, but instead it should be restricted only for those who actually want to study and have good grades.
>>71960955
>free
enjoy your 40% taxes faggots
Yes it is true college is very expensive in the US right now and you should only take a major that will help you in the long run.
Yes it is also true that college is expensive in the US because of the insane amount of government subsidies being given to the colleges, and forcing banks to give student loans for any major.
So yes, college is expensive because of liberals. The solution? Hang the liberals.
>>71960955
And only one of these flags is superpower, what's your point?
>free
why dont we just make everything free
>>71960955
We have here those free colleges.
Truly shit tier teachers and facilities, you can pass even you only attend at examination days. how can you expect quality education if teachers aren't motivated to teach because they are underpaid.
Free colleges will greatly decrease the quality of education.
There are a couple of reasons why the colleges are free. First of all, it's harder to get into even a low-tier university here because there's not nearly as many spots for potential students as there are in the US colleges, so the competition is more harsh and is more based on merit. Second of all, some people opt to attend a trade school at the ripe age of 15 or 16 and being a janitor or a plumber is not stigmatized nearly as much here as in the US.
Really starting to hate this free college meme btw, there's no such thing as free. We're taxed up to our eyeballs so we can cover the costs for free education.
One thing got me thinking. Why the fuck would you ever study something useless like women's studies or shit like that if you end up racking tens of thousands in student debt?
>>71960955
So, if everyone is mass murdering niggers, kebabs, and spics. We should catch up too right?
>>71983722
>I'm white I swear
How many thermonuclear reactors was invented by glorious USA unis?
ZERO
E
R
O
US education is by cucks for cucks.
>>71993649
impressive attempt but the premise is false, none of those countries have free college
>>71993880
just a meme bruv
this gay shit has been posted before
>>71993649
g'day mate, coming a little earlier today
>>71964845
Back then our money was still based on the gold standard, and we had just won a massive world war. American citizens were riding on that nationalism and funds. It was a completely different world, and not nearly as extreme as the crumbling economy and government we have today. You can't compare then to now.
Question:
How are highly desirable western european colleges faring with those open border policies?
>>71961110
This. The problem is that in the U.S. there's this whole popular notion that if you don't go to college, then you're worthless to society.
>gratis
>Germoney
>free
>>71993759
There are around 30 research reactors created and operated by US universities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors#United_States
>free
do libtards actually think this?
>>71960955
Barring the obvious "there's no such thing as free" argument, there's no reason why education should not be tax funded. That's not to say we should abolish private schools, I'm just saying there's no reason not to make education available to everyone regardless of income.
That is, of course, assuming colleges are actually serious institutions and not bullshit lefty propaganda machines. We need to do what Japan did: cull all the bullshit lefty propaganda educations that leave a student's mind full of cultural marxism but devoid of applicable skills.
