I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter who will be voting for Trump in the General Election if it's Trump vs. Clinton. AMA.
Do you realize that people in Scandinavia dislike Sanders for calling us socialists?
Do you realize that Sanders is way too lefty for Scandinavia?
>>71946127
Why wasn't trump your #1 pick? How old are you? What state do you live in? What is your level of education?
This is good that you support bernie but you should not vote for the racist trump, he is a bad politican.
Hello l-eddit
Why would you support Bernie in the first place?
4chan thinks first sentence without hyphen is spam..
>>71946343
Yes, I've read a few articles about it, but I've seen others that say Sanders is center-left by Scandinavian standards. I don't live there, so I don't have a good opinion on it.
>>71946344
Trump's view on Edward Snowden is a huge turn-off. I also think he's too gung-ho on the military sometimes, though I get why he's doing it. I'm 20, live in PA, and I have an Associates in Computer Programming.
>>71946508
remove yourself,mohamed
>>71946508
I don't think he's racist.
>>71946512
He's strong on civil liberties, and he's anti-Federal Reserve, which is a huge plus in my book.
>>71946667
Chiming in to say that most Bernie supporters on /pol/ like him more for the anti-establishment perspective than anything else
>>71946667
He wish to remove sunni who live there and stop reunite family. This is bad and should not be allowed.
>>71946794
Yeah, that's a big reason for sure. I fucking loved when Trump stood up to the audience at those two GOP debates. He's definitely not a Fed-man, and he's proved that.
>>71946824
I don't know about that topic, if you give me an article or something to read about it, I'll look at it.
>>71946667
Do you like socialism?
>>71946667
>He's strong on civil liberties
He also thinks a 90% income tax is not that high
Socialism is the antithesis of individualism which promotes civil liberties
He is a collectivist who wants to subsidize poverty and laziness
>>71946970
Trump in the SC debate was so fucking based. People keep asking me why Bernie wouldn't do the same, but people don't understand he's the underdog and the deck is WAYYY more stacked against him, so him calling the crowd out would be futile (see: o'malley + webb)
>>71947002
Personally I'm a social democrat
>>71947120
>he thinks a 90% income tax is not high
When'd he say that? Besides, not that I support raising the income tax this high, but it used to be as high as 90% in the 50s + 60s
1. What's your honest opinion on Sanders economic plans, have you read up about how it'll effect the economy negatively and how virtually every non-partisan economist agrees with this line of thought?
2. What do you think about Sanders propositions to continue funding "moderate" rebels like the Free Syrian Army that has a high defection rate, and several factions inside working alongside Al-Qaeda and ISIS?
3. Are you still delusional like most Bernbots to believe Sanders has a mathematically possible chance to win this election?
Looking forward to some answers, anon.
>>71946970
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/donald-trump-calls-halt-muslims-entering-151207220200817.html
>>71947002
I think a hybrid system of capitalism and social programs could work great, which is what Sanders proposes. Granted, we've never actually tried a 100% free-market before.
>>71947120
Yeah, but let's keep in mind that he wouldn't raise taxes anywhere near 90%. In my opinion, you can't be truly individualistic in today's world. You always depend on someone else for something, whether it be the farmers who grow our food, the truckers who ship the food to stores, etc. Also, no one can truly be free unless they have some form of financial security. If you're poor in this country, you're gonna have a really hard time getting ahead, even with hard work.
>>71946343
Fucking lol, he is not far left in comparison to Scandinavian countries. At least in economics.
>>71947299
Back in the 50's and 60's we also had nearly no trade deficit, just pointing out anon.
Do most of you feel this way? Sanders just openly said he'd endorse Clinton once he lost. I imagine that hit bernout morale pretty hard.
Do you shill the praises of Trump to fellow bernouts?
>>71946508
Their getting out of the union, and you're going back to Brussels, Kareem.
>>71947340
Not OP but I'll answer
1. I don't like all his economic plans. they're a little too left for me. A lot have disagreed with his plans, but a lot have agreed too. Economists are never going to universally agree on any of the candidate's plans. He's absolutely the best candidate to get big money out of politics though, which is one of the biggest issues for me
2. Huh I didn't know of this, sauce?
3. At this point of time 90% of us realize he doesn't have a chance. I still think he should stay in the race though, I'd rather see him win, say, 23 states than 18
>>71947637
It's going to hurt my heart once he does that, but I can at least understand why he'd do that. Bernie himself would rather have Clinton than a Republican, and even if he didn't feel that way, opposing the Clinton machine does not treat you nice.
I tell my Bernie-supporting friends to at least vote 3rd party to preserve their fucking dignity. I'd never vote for Shillary.
>>71947340
1) Some things I do like, and some things I'm totally against. I wouldn't say every non-partisan economist disagree with his proposals, but we just might disagree on who's partisan and who isn't. Just to give you an example, I think him increasing taxes 2.2% across the board is a great idea, because I'm a supporter of universal health care. Fuck the insurance companies, they get away with murder.
2) Don't know about his views when it comes to that. He seems to be anti-war and anti-regime change, which is good in my books.
3) No, he's not gonna win now. The Clinton machine had it rigged since the beginning. I knew it was gonna happen, and it happened. Same thing happened to Ron Paul in 2012.
>>71947340
His economic plans are long overdue, the US has been killing their consumer base actively and Bernie's policies are the only ones that can stimulate the economy. Literally not one candidates can.
>>71947637
I'm actually not so sure he's gonna endorse her, even though it would hurt on some level if he did. My hope is that he just doesn't endorse anyone.
He's been saying in recent weeks that Clinton would have to change her platform significantly for him to support her. Not gonna happen. Gonna be interesting to see what he does.
>>71947637
Also yeah, I'm pretty open that I'm going to support Trump in the General. A few of my friends say the same.
If you guys have not noticed Bernie wants to do a reverse Reagan, he is going to try to get it at the convention with a lot of momentum, fail, and someone will destroy in 4 years when hilldog is in jail.
>>71948350
He's said the campaign is not just about him, and that's true. Even if he loses, the message lives on. Young people on both sides of the aisle have been disappointed in 2 elections in a row, first with libertarian Ron Paul in 2012, and now with progressive Bernie Sanders in 2016. Young people will remember that and hate the establishment for the rest of their lives.
>>71946343
>>71947897
>>71947941
1) Thanks for the nice (You's) friends. Just to elaborate, Sanders biggest defender and person he routinely lists as the defining economist behind his plan is a similar Democratic Socialist. Economists are very shaky of the idea that politicians know what's best for the country, here's an extremely detailed paper debunking said economists.
>https://evaluationoffriedman.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/romer-and-romer-evaluation-of-friedman1.pdf
2) Sanders said he'll continue backing what Obama's done thus far, and while it's true Sanders says he's anti-regime change he's been very harsh on Assad and has routinely talked about supporting rebels that'd overthrow and replace Assad. The guy's democratically leaving in 5 years, you'd think Sanders could just wait a damn minute since he seems to be of an objective mind on Iraq/Libya but apparently not.
>http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/10/05/sanders-backs-obama-moderate-syrian-army-strategy-contra-hillary/
>http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/isis-fighting-alongside-free-syrian-army-al-qaida/
3) Good, just pointing this out.
>>71948126
I think he'll at least support her. It's a bummer, but that's just how politics go.
Man, seeing Hillary swallow her pride and endorse Obama 8 years ago was hilarious. So many Hillary tears, one of my Hillary-supporting friends almost started crying and I was trying my best not to laugh at how hard she choked the nomination.
Oh well, can't win em all.
>>71948350
Superdelegates aren't going to side with him if he isn't leading in pledged delegates (and they shouldn't either). That being said, superdelegates are fucking cancer
pic related, a Washington superdelegate
>>71946824
Maybe because Sunni Islam is cancer
>>71946508
Hahah fagget
Thanks for the question guys, leaving now.
>>71949110
>I look forward to you supporting her :)
That guy can suck so many dicks.
>>71946127
>if
more like when
>>71946127
What if the shit hits the fan and it's Clinton-Cruz?
Also, what are your thoughts on Bernie voting in favor of the F35 multiple times?
>>71951880
Jill Stein, or pray Bernie and Trump both run third party.
>>71951202
what a smug fuck, hope the people in Washington vote him out
>>71951677
w-we already know ;_;
>>71952673
I don't think Bernie'll run 3rd party desu. Trump absolutely will if he gets robbed. I think Jill Stein is the most reasonable choice for Bernie supporters to go to, though Trump is reasonable too depending what your main issues are
>>71952855
>(((Jill Stein)))
>>71946343
kek
>>71953003
Why not? I wanna see the rise of a 3rd party
>>71946127
Bernie supporters who say they will vote for Trump if their 90 year old commie loses are pure fucking cancer
>>71953161
There are zero reasons to support Hillary over Trump. There are a million reasons never support Hillary.
>>71953135
>wanting the greens to get political power
>the globalist communist greens
>>71953416
to*
>>71953161
hillary pls go
>>71953426
Let's be real, they aren't going to gain any power. I'm just voting for them out of protest in a deep blue state
>>71947462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
>>71953543
>not voting Trump
>>71947996
A fucking leaf.
>>71953767
>not understanding how red and blue states work
why is someone from moldova lecturing me how to vote
>>71953135
>I wanna see the rise of a 3rd party
If a third party rises this year, it's going to be the Libertarians.
>>71954098
I actually agree that the Libertarians are more likely to gain ground. The Green is party is fucking stupid in trying to build their party from the top down, that almost never works
i'm a sanders supporter and the reasons why you support sanders over clinton are precisely the reasons why you can't support trump over clinton
>>71946127
Why would you not support Bernie as Hillary's running mate?
>>71946127
What can I tell my friends who supported Bernie to convert them to the trump side (right now they are in fits of self loathing and suicide watch because trump is a "racist" and Hillary is a globalist)
>>71954194
That's not true at all.
>>71954318
it is true. ideology matters. supporting sanders over clinton is a matter of supporting a person to the left of the alternative. turning around to support someone to the right of clinton is absurd.
>>71954294
Some people are unconvertable, you just have to accept that. Convince them to vote 3rd party
>>71954239
I don't even think Bernie would accept the offer, but I'd lose a lot of respect for him if he ran with her as VP if Hillary still took corporate money (let's be honest, she will)
>>71954503
Yes, but turning around to support someone who doesn't take big money or opposes free-trade deals isn't absurd at all. Different people have different major issues
>>71946127
That's reasonable, I'd vote the same if I was American.
>>71954586
>Different people have different major issues
yeah. like the ideological coordinates of the candidates they're given an option to choose from.
opposing the corrupting influence of big money on elections by voting for a billionaire who purchases his own campaign is the definition of stupid
>>71954239
hrc would never select sanders as a running mate. he's too far left, he's made her look too bad
>>71954503
There are reasons to not support Hillary no matter what.
>>71955073
>opposing the corrupting influence of big money on elections by voting for a billionaire who purchases his own campaign is the definition of stupid
I suppose, but would it be wrong for me to vote Green Party, the only party at this point of time that'll actually take big money out of politics?
>>71947299
He did say that 90% wouldn't be out of the question, but then quickly backed off that thought when it was pointed out how dumb it would be. Here's his new "policy" straight from his website.
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Thursday he supports raising the top marginal tax rate to "over 50 percent"—and increasing the corporate tax rate.
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-economic-inequality/
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-11/bernie-sanders-eyes-top-tax-rate-of-more-than-50-percent
Laffer curve added to show that people and businesses will not tolerate over 50% tax rates and as such the government will actually lose revenue. You can debate the efficacy of this theory that's been around since the middle ages but it's still reasonable to conclude that people won't tolerate the state taking over half their income. Businesses will leave, people will not work as much, etc etc.
>>71955162
the choice between voting for lesser evilism or protest voting is a pesonal decision. i won't judge someone harshly who votes green when clinton gets the nom, or is so disillusioned with the degree of corruption in electoral politics that they choose not to vote at all.
from my perspective, voting for clinton is basically staying the course of obama. you're going to get lots of corporate friendly politics, probably more wars, most likely some sort of bargain with republicans about "saving social security for the next generation" which will include small cuts and probably to a certain extent some privatization. she just represents the same anemic strength and overall decay of working class institutions. trump represents outright hostility to these institutions.
figuring out how to respond is up to you. voting for trump because clinton got the nom is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
>>71956128
She is to the right of Obama. By a fair bit.
>>71955981
>Laffer curve added to show that people and businesses will not tolerate over 50% tax rates and as such the government will actually lose revenue.
50% is too high - capital flight and offshoring assets skyrocketed under Obama, and that socialist clown wants to raise taxes even more to fund his bullshit policies. The burden would be shifted to the middle class and we'd turn into Detroit or Baltimore.
>>71955981
>You can debate the efficacy of this theory that's been around since the middle ages but it's still reasonable to conclude that people won't tolerate the state taking over half their income. Businesses will leave, people will not work as much, etc etc
Then how come people didn't leave when income tax rates were as high as 90%?
>>71956128
I'd rather have 4 years of Trump than 8 years of Hillary along with 1,000 years of shit establishment candidates
>>71946127
As a non-binary pangender person I would like to know your views on the public toilet situation in North Carolina that has been in the news a lot recently.
>>71956337
that may have been a more plausible argument in 2008, however, the last 8 years have shown a pretty solid commitment to standard neoliberalism by obama
>>71956387
>capital flight
>corporations will leave the largest consumer base in the world
That's cool. I didn't know they were suicidal. They'd rather go out of business than pay a fair tax.
>>71956689
The only thing that's changed is her rhetoric. Her actions betray her true values.
>>71946508
it that what tumblr and cnn told you?
>>71956480
Are you talking about FDR days?
>>71953416
Hillary has the knowledge and experience to be president. Trump doesn't.
What is it about Clinton that Sanders' supporters can't stand?
I hate her because of that reptilian smile, but I don't understand why she's so bad that democrats would vote Trump over her?
>>71956710
>They'd rather go out of business
Who says they will go out of business by leaving the US? They can still sell to the largest consumer base while not producing in the largest consumer base. This happened many times with many businesses and Bernie will hasten it.
>than pay a fair tax.
What is fair? Over half of your profits is 'fair' to you?
Are you one of those paid Hillary trolls? You're not adding anything to this thread other than flawed logic.
>>71956914
Eisenhower and Kennedy days
>>71957225
>taking corporate money
>lying constantly about her views
>lying constantly about Sanders
>thinking she's entitled to our vote
>literally paying internet shills to shill
>everything she did in 2008
The DNC has betrayed the fuck out of us
>>71946508
You can actually see the shitskin typing this when you read it.
>>71946127
Why are you such a gayass double nigger?
>>71957225
She's a liar. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if it wasn't her voters she was lying to. She is a demonstrably worse person than any candidate running. She opposes Medicare-For-All and says a universal, single-payer system can’t happen. She has six personal super PACs funded largely by Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Private Prisons, the Military Industrial Complex, etc. She blamed homeowners for the financial crisis created by Wall Street. She supported the $700 billion Wall Street bailout with taxpayer money. She opposes reinstating Glass-Steagall legislature, which Bill Clinton overturned, making way for increased Wall Street recklessness. Hillary hasn’t ruled out raising the Social Security retirement age. She has not ruled out cuts to Social Security. She fully supported the invasion of Iraq. She was an architect of the forced regime changes in Libya, Bosnia, Serbia, Syria, Kenya, and Honduras. She supported NAFTA. She called the TPP the ‘gold standard’ of trade deals and still has not openly opposed it. She supported PNTR with China. Hillary supported the USA Patriot Act. She opposes tuition-free higher education at public colleges and universities. She championed the 1996 welfare reform. She supports the death penalty. She called to deport children fleeing violence in Central America from the US. She championed the brutally-homophobic DOMA and has passionately spoken against gay rights in the last decade. She supported Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. She supported ‘three strikes and you’re out’ sentencing. She voted for 2006 bill to build a 700 mile fence along the Mexican border. She worked as corporate lawyer for Monsanto and spent 7 years on the board of directors of union-bashing WalMart. Her campaign manager is a private prison lobbyist. She laughed about getting a guy who raped a 12 year old girl off with time served.
>>71956710
>A FUCKING LEAF
Seriously though, look up corporate tax inversions. The US has lost hundreds of billions in taxable revenue because it's corporate tax is too high and the cost of compliance is too high.
>>71957225
There's nothing wrong with her in regards to the standard politican. She is, like Cruz and every other presidential candiate before 2016, a corporate shill who acts as a puppet for whatever government group gives her the most money. Sanders and Trump are the first anti establishment guys to ever make it this far. They are the spiritual successors to Ron Paul, even if Sanders is ultra left and Trump is ultra right. They both represent the same thing, and Clinto, Cruz, and just about every other presidential candidate in history represent what we hate.
If it was Clinton vs Cruz, I would vote for Clinton or I just wouldn't vote because they're both puppets who would bring about the same outcome. If it's Clinton vs Trump, Trump at least offers the anti establishment value that Bernie offers.
tl;dr Hillary is just a generic politician who seems bad compared to the 2 great anti establishment candidates we have right now
>>71955981
Do you people seriously not know what MARGINAL tax rate is?
>>71946555
Where in pa? I'm from wilkes barre area
>>71958206
Saved for my next argument with a Clinton supporter.
How the fuck is she winning the nomination with a history as dirty as that?
>>71946555
Did you go to lccc?
>>71958365
EXACTLY how I feel too. Trump supporters think that all of us universally hate him because of those protesters, but in reality, we should realize that they're fighting the same fight.
>>71958456
Name recognition and Media shutout. If they gave Bernie more than 3 seconds of coverage in 2015 he would definitely be beating Hillary. People think we're only saying that because he's losing, but if you looks at the trends, the more people know Bernie, the more they like him, especially over Hillary.
>>71957679
>Eisenhower and Kennedy days
You raise a good point here.
What a tax rate is and what is actually paid are two very different things anon. In 1955, the only people paying 90 percent were those making over $3.5 million when adjusted for inflation. These are marginal rates, so they only paid that on any earnings above that threshold. So if they made $3.6 million they paid 90 thousand. As you can see things have changed quite a bit over the years. Globalization, free trade and capable labor markets weren't really factors back then too. Consider all of this on why it's not so easy to compare today with so long ago.
>>71946127
>support Trump over Clinton
How many (in %) of you are going to?
>>71958435
I do know what that is. What are his proposed thresholds? I'd honestly like to know.
