Are grenade launchers protected by the 2nd Amendment Burgerstanis? Seems like tad bit over excessive for self-defense imho.
>>71928939
>tad bit over excessive
The second amendment has literally nothing to do with self defense
>>71928939
SHALL
If you are asking if we can buy them yes we can
>>71929016
/thread
NOT
>>71929073
NOT
>>71929009
Won't you blow up your own house in the process as well?
>>71929016
>A FUCKING LEAF
Where I live you can buy flamethrowers without a permit.
>>71929176
>implying you need a house
>>71928939
where I live you can have a launcher attachment but can only fire "dummy" grenades. Obviously real grenades are a class 3 explosive which is very illegal.
>>71929176
>tad bit over excessive
>>71929176
The second amendment has literally nothing to do with self defense
>>71928939
Someone made a bolt pistol?
>>71928939
With enough money, a few blind trusts, and a secure vault, you can legally own almost anything from grenades to fully automatic rifles and machine guns.
It is a huge pain in the ass and very expensive, but yes, technically, you can legally own one.
>>71928939
>implying a 40mm rubber slug isnt the perfect self defense projectile
>>71928939
>>>/k/
Hey, don't get me wrong. I can appreciate your right to bare arms, and the whole SHALL NOT meme thing, as well as a potential slippery slope argument (why not ban assault weapons too??? etc.). But fuck me dead. The thought of any civilian owning a grenade launcher is mortifying as fuck.
>>71929594
Why is it more worrying that a civilian owns it than the government?
The government is vastly more likely to use it on someone.
>>71929257
>>71928939
Not illegal. You just need a special license. It's considered a destructive device.
You can own a tank too, before that argument comes up. Same rules apply. The barrel needs to be registered with the atf.
>>71929594
Citizens killed by grenade launchers in the US: 0(?)
Citizens killed by dinky 9mms: 6,000,000
>>71929809
Sooo what do I have to do to get a tank legally and how much would it cost?
>>71929809
This. /thread
Yeah but its cheaper to just buy a can launcher for your AR
>>71928939
That's a 37mm flare launcher which are excepted from being considered destructive devices
Really, they're not very useful.
Actual 40mm launchers are considered destructive devices, and each individual 40mm grenade is a DD, meaning that even if you could get your hands on some you'd need to pay a $200 tax stamp for each one, along with the whole waiting and NICS check and whatnot
>>71929809
What are the odds of a civilian being granted either licence?
>>71928939
Grenade launchers are protected.
The ordinance are regulated however.
>>71928939
That's a flare launcher in 37mm, grenade launcher is 40mm. Even if you could get a grenade launcher, the rounds would probably be around 3-4 hundred bucks a shot. I'd imagine that each round would be considered a destructive device by the ATF meaning that you would have to pay a 200 dollar stamp fee for each one.
>>71929744
There's little to no oversight for civilian use. Governments have bureaucracy and red tape to push through to enact anything. There are levels of oversight, approvals etc. that must be surpassed even before you can buy a pen with tax payer's money.
That's just logic.
>>71929176
>an australian posts a leaf argument
The second amendment has literally nothing to do with self defence.
>>71928939
how many people were killed by those weapons this year?
>>71929594
And yet there has been 0 crimes commited with a legal launcher
>>71929876
There are a few resources online to help you. Ignore the shill results on Google that say you can't legally do it - you can (in America). You can even buy a tank online. Daily dot has a little article on it iirc.
>>71929744
Just got here but EXACTLY THIS. The best argument I ever heard for why we should be allowed to basically be allowed to own anything we want is that a large factor behind why the second amendment exists is for us to be able to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government. Why should they be allowed to have automatic weapons when we aren't? Why should they have grenade launchers when we don't? Hmm.
>>71929988
So what?
Does less oversight mean that people are more likely to use it? No it doesn't.
Every single weapon every made is more likely to be used by a government m8, because the whole system is based around forcing people to do shit at gunpoint.
>>71929292
This is a stupid statement even for pro-gun control sides. A militia is for self-defense as well. Repeating something doesn't make it true. Go back to shitposting school fag
>>71929876
There are private collectors and things you can go to.
I think I've seen soviet ones going for ~$75,000, but that was a few years ago.
>>71930091
guns don't kill people dummy
>>71929963
100% if you arent a felon
>>71928939
Yes, it does
>>71930210
God bless your country.
>>71930149
Emotions, you Nordic fuck. Irrational decisions are the result of unchecked emotions. With multiple parties, and different layers of clearances, emotions are usually filtered out and logic comes out on top.
>>71930118
NICE, tanks go for 200-400k. Of course older models but with a functioning cannon. Das it fucking mane.
>>71930294
Yeah its just a rather annoying lengthy process
I also want to mention that the 2nd amendment was written at a time where our entire naval fleet, small as it was, was privately owned.
>>71928939
how else will they defend against wild packs of niggers? 10 nogs for one grenade instead of 1 nog for 10 bullets, its just economical
>>71930325
Yeah, there was probably a lot of logic involved when America nuked Japan twice and firebombed Tokyo for 2 weeks prior.
Those actions alone caused the deaths of 350000 people, which is a level of mayhem a civilian will never ever be capable of doing, yet you are here whining about a fucking grenade launcher.
>>71930456
>1 nog for 10 bullets
I just bought a CZ P07. It's not going to take me fucking 10 shots to down a feral negro, is it? What kind of shit product is your country pedaling!?
>>71928939
I bet they would have proved useful in the Great Emu War (GEW)
>>71930509
Japan deserved it. They deserved MUCH worse imho. They were brutal animals, killed and maimed many more than the Germans ever did in WWII.
Wild dogs need to be put down like they are.
In that case, it was pure logic won out and predicted that the deaths of those animals would save many more lives and end the war.
Try again.
>>71928939
Yes. 37mm "Flare" launchers are legal, and require no registration.
Spike's 'Two Dicks Touching' Tactical makes one.
>>71930772
>brutal animals
>wild dogs
>pure logic
Sure thing.
>>71930946
I appreciate your surrender and knowing your place.
>>71930856
>Spike's 'Two Dicks Touching' Tactical
Does Spike's make meme lowers?
>>71928939
Just buy dragons breath shotgun rounds.
>warning:must be loaded into pump action or double barrel because of failure to feed and eject problems with semi automatic shotguns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwhCygmhbCg
>>71928939
>ad bit over excessive
There is no such thing you commie faggot.
>>71929176
American houses are made out of wood, the hot casing from a bullet would case an uncontrollable fire anyway.
>>71930856
The grenades are what need registration in this case.
I just want a redneck obliterator...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2xsQcIUYI
>>71931221
>>71928939
>>71928939
>Are grenade launchers protected by the 2nd Amendment Burgerstanis?
yes
you dont like it amend the constitution
>>71931221
>http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/excessive-force/
Sure thing Ahmed
>>71931258
>>71931221
>memeing in real life
I think at the time of writing "arms" were firearms. And there was another term for explosives
>>71929594
>The thought of any civilian owning a grenade launcher is mortifying as fuck.
why?
>>71931025
The only thing I see from your post is admitting that civilian weapons are not any worse than government owned weapons.
>>71931335
No.
>>71930562
you gotta make real sure they dont get up again senpai
>>71931517
>>71929963
Arnold blacknigger owns a tank
>>71930164
you dont have to be in a militia to own firearms
>>71931614
>>71931258
Flamethrowers are actually legal here in the US. I think that article was a hoax.
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>71929963
It's a time consuming process. Not to mention extremely expensive. But assuming you pass the background checks, it's entirely possible to get the licensing.
>>71930325
>usually filtered out
and then Waco happens
>>71928939
Bombs of any kind are subject to regulation, and grenades are bombs. If you launch one from the end of a gun as a projectile it doesn't automatically put it under the protection of the second amendment.
Why is it a bit excessive?
>some guy goes crazy and starts running over mother fuckers with his car
>you see that shit barreling full speed at you
>pull out your trusty grenade launcher and blast that whigged out nigger
>save the day
Seems about right to me. You can always find a situation where something isn't too excessive.
>>71931485
Not true, arms covered everything. There were many private owners of large military weapons that required horses to move them around. You could buy cannons for a very long time.
It really wasn't until the ATF came around, along with classification of weapons into articles, did you have a much harder time getting those sorts of weapons.
>>71928939
subjective
>>71930509
>there was probably a lot of logic involved when America nuked Japan twice and firebombed Tokyo for 2 weeks prior.
SHALL
http://webmshare.com/VND0Z
>>71930772
You too dingo dog face
>>71931727
Feels good living in Kentucky
>>71928939
>>71931855
I was being sarcastic.
Nobody bombs and nukes civilians because of "logic".
>>71931834
if somebody's carrying a grenade launcher around on the lookout for runaway vehicles they should honestly be shot for the safety of the people around them
>>71932235
Why not?
Nuke them before they nuke you
>>71931346
>$350 ak
>$60 mosin nagant
where? pls
>>71929349
it's a horrible self defense projectile. no penetration. no tissue cavitation. no wound channels.
the "perfect self defense round" is pretty much 12 guage 00 buck, or the federal hybrid shells that have a large ball and several small balls, to create a more serious primary wound as well as smaller scatter wounds.
people don't generally get up from twelve gauge buck. it leaves a gaping, shredded hole, and even if no organs are hit, the drop in blood pressure is immediately incapacitating.
>>71929531
Posting this on /k/ would be a bannable offense and the ban message would just say "keep /pol/ in /pol/."
>Emotions, you Nordic fuck. Irrational decisions are the result of unchecked emotions.
That explains why you're so afraid of grenade launchers.
>>71928939
Yes Aussie, even grenade launchers.
HOWEVER, considering it has the capability of launching explosives, you have fill out a shit ton of paperwork and go through a whole lot of bureaucratic bullshit to get it.
Unpopular opinion, but Im frankly ok with this part of the NFA. Now, if they could loosen their assholes on full auto and allow manufacturers to put tax stamps on their weapons, we would be golden.
>>71932446
If you got pegged in the chest by one of those 40 mm rubber grenades, it would incapacitate you.
explosives are regulated seperately from the 2nd amendment unfortunately
>you will never keep live mortars under your bed
feelsbadman
>>71932446
The rise in blood pressure from the impact is enough to incapacitate. Shot is good for that.
>>71932160
God bless your freedom, Smith.
>>71932418
i think this pic is a few years old, from the day the "mosing nagant"-meme started.
I know nothing about US prices though, germany is expensive as fuck.
>>71932257
you should be shot as a communist spy.
>>71929176
Most houses aren't even big enough for the round to arm anyway.
>>71932647
I figured. What I see now is easily twice that much.
>>71929016
/thread
it's a sad commentary on the times we live in that people - American or not - actually believe that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution has anything to do with personal self defense against burglars and the like. it simply doesn't. that was NOT the intent of the Second Amendment.
>>71929594
Jesus fuck how did you pussies ever tame that shitty piece of rock that you're on
>>71932579
not necessarily. no. a pussy might go down and loligag around on the floor like a dickhead. someone high on meth might just get angry.
and that's a chance that you don't have a right to take with yourself and your family.
furthermore, why would you even consider a 40mm nerf gun shot? whats even the point? what if you miss? why pay so much more? a mossberg 500 shotgun is like 400 dollars, and a box of 12 gauge shells is 15 dollars.
and i guarantee you, anything you think that a fucking rubber projectile is capable of, eight .32mm projectiles impacting someone in the chest with about 2 inchs of each other has it topped. and then the followup shot, just to be sure he's very, very dead.
>>71932446
a marine in Iraq fired a 40mm smoke grenade at the ground for a roadblock and it ricocheted and hit an arab in the head and killed him
>>71932887
still very cheap.
Im mad jelly of your gun + hunting laws.
>>71931506
>>mortarfying
speaking of mortars, mortars are really one of the cheap and basic weapons a man should own. if 5 people in a neighborhood of 100 own mortars, that right there is an impromptu short range arty solution.
>>71932925
>defense from enemies foreign and domestic
>and domestic
>does not cover self-defense
hang yourself libtard
>>71933084
great. why don't we do away with bullets and shells altogether, and just use 40mm grenades, like space marines?
it doesn't matter. bullets and shot are better for shooting people in most situations that matter than fucking rubber grenades. and so there's no real reason to own rubber grenade launchers. if you want a fucking grenade launcher, stop being a fucking autist and get HE rounds. that's actually useful. unlike a rubber round.
>>71933145
Yeah I shouldn't complain, at least I have access.
Gotta get a mosin soon.
>>71933310
I was just giving an example, there's no need to get autistic
did your mother forget to spike your hot pockets with xanax again?
>>71931485
yeah, powder
>>71930176
HA KEK 75k??? HAHAHA FUCK NO.
Your thinking soviet ACP's.
>>71928939
We need sufficient weaponry to overthrow a tyrannical government.
If the government has grenade launchers, then so must we.
>>71931673
Thank you mate,
thank you for that.
>>71933310
bolts are more like frag-12 shells with a rocket motor in the back, similar caliber too (.70~.75), heavies are 1 cal
Anyone who thinks any sort of explosive should be legal as a self defense weapon is utterly delusional.
The beauty of a gun is in it's precision and ability to apply deadly force with pinpoint accuracy from a distance with blinding speed and little collateral damage.
A grenade or any similar explosive's only purpose is to either cause maximum casualties via high velocity shrapnel spread in a random direction, or maximum structural damage via high energy shockwaves and high temperature combustion.
Explosives of any type have ZERO place as a self defense weapon, and you morons are ruining the pro gun movement.
Trump 2016
>>71928939
Yes, actually. So are cannons, tanks, and war planes.
>>71933310
>and so there's no real reason to own rubber grenade launchers.
Fucking communist. Fuck. It's not about need or reasons.
>>71933168
not to mention we get basic handling training during the 4th celebrations every year
>>71931258
All but like 2 or 3 states don't even have laws against owning flamethrowers, hell they aren't even considered a FIREarm, let alone a NFA item.
>>71933860
But they are legal for self-defense. Just for the military.
>>71932930
they didn't.
>>71929594
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>71933860
>Explosives of any type have ZERO place as a self defense weapon, and you morons are ruining the pro gun movement.
Good thing the 2nd amendment wasn't just written for self-defense but the defense of country. RPG's ARE and should be legal.
>>71933860
What does self defense have to do with anything?
We have a right to bare arms, end of debate. Even engaging in this debate is a LOSS. Shut the fuck up already.
>>71933934
shhhhhhhhhhhhh
Anti-gun sentiment is totally unwarranted. Here and in Serbia people are almost as armed as Americans (most unregistered), yet we never had a school shooting or shit like that.
It's retarded to restrict the rights of millions of responsible and sane gun-owners just because there's few loons in a nation of 300 million.
That said, modern Americans are a bunch of pussies and 95% of them will never use guns to defend their rights. But even 5% is enough for government to stop and think.
>>71932925
Yes it fucking does.
At the time of the constitution and bill of rights, American settlers were getting slaughtered by the hundreds in Indian raids and the govt had effectively zero capacity to protect them.
>>71928939
they are controlled under the NFA ( national firearms act of 1934)
to get one, you ned to pay for it, then submit a bunch of paper work, photos,finger prints, and sign offs by police, then pay $200 to us gov. they do a full FBI background check and after about 6 months you gt a piece of paper back with a stamp on it.
thn you can go and pick up your new 40mm launcher from the gun store.
any round that isnt a chalk marker also requires a $200 stamp, and a BATFE approved explosive magazine, and Federal Explosives License
legal yes, death by 1000 paper cuts and red tape
>>71934479
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state
>>71934772
>the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms
>>71934922
>SHALL
>>71929963
fairly certain you only need a class III firearms license. I believe that is the one for selling firearms professionally.
>>71929016
That's not true.
The common law 'man at arms' would have been using the arms for lawful purposes when not at war.
Taken to its natural conclusion your line of thought means you can only bare arms during war.
>>71934922
I think the point was that the intention of the 2nd amendment was to guarantee a free state, not necessarily so that anyone can freely and easily defend themselves, which is an obvious and very positive side effect of the 2nd amendment.
To say that this wasn't the intention of the 2nd amendment is really fucking stupid. Your freedom of speech isn't guaranteed so you don't get fucked by injuns, it's so you can freely say what you like without being oppressed by the government.
>>71934101
imbecile. The leftists attack our very right to own firearms, and you insist on this nonsense? Supporting the right to own these kind of weapons that have no application outside of military engagements is retardation of the highest order.
>>71934003
The military aren't known for acting in self defense.
>>71934084
This opinion is utterly preposterous. An RPG is not a weapon created for defence, it was designed to deliver the maximum amount of deadly force at a long range regardless of collateral damage. It's only use in the hands of a law abiding citizen would be in the case of a full blown civil war, at which point there would be no use even attempting to follow constitutional law, as the united states would devolve into a chaotic warzone similar to the likes of Syria and Iraq. While many advocate an armed violent rebellion against oppressive forces, it is important to remember that violence must be the last resort as it would bring the very fabric of society crashing down upon us. Our streets would run red with american blood, and our shining cities would be turned to rubble as brother fought brother. Remember our first civil war, how it still haunts our nation today. We must never make that mistake again, or risk total annihilation.
>>71935730
You're better off already having a grenade launcher than trying to build or acquire one after the shit has already hit the fan.
>>71935730
>an RPG isn't a weapon made for defense
False, it definitely serves that function. The afghans used shoulder fired rockets to destroy attack helicopters sent by the Russians long ago, as just one basic example.
If you're saying "US citizens shouldn't have the right to defend themselves against weapons of war" then argue that, but don't claim that it's not purposed for self defense.
>>71934479
you must have trouble reading.
the indians scalping people etc was sponsored by the british during the war that we won after which we declared independence and drew up the fuckin constitution. you watched too much jango unchained, bro.
you dont want guns? dont get guns.
the whole idea of taking everyones guns away and not letting anyone get more is based off this incredibly stupid fantasy that all the guns will just vanish into thin air and nobody else will ever have guns.
you need to learn how to guns and get yourself a gun or two and quit being a defenseless bitch who trusts in the system never falling apart, never getting invaded, super market always being open, and electricity always easily obtainable.
there are infinite reasons for guns and if you honestly cant think of one you might be retarded.
>>71936147
>weapons of war
Us citizens cannot be expected to defend themselves against weapons of war. Should advanced anti air missile systems also be legal for citizens to own? This is an argument in futility, as we both know such a preposterous thing could never come to pass. The US military is responsible for defense against weapons of war, not the citizens.
>>71928939
That's not even a fucking grenade launcher, it shoots flares
The Second Amendment isn't just for self-defense. It's also for defending against a corrupt government.
>>71936544
this is a leaf not understanding that WE are our government and our military.
>>71929276
TRILLION MILLION BILLION GAZILLION QUINTILLION TRILLION BILLION GAZILLION MILLION
>>71936544
Yes it should be. If the US military fails to defend the country the citizens should not be defenseless. Assuming that can't happen ignores all of history.
>>71936685
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>>71936852
>the right of the militia to keep and bear arms
Oh wait it says "the people."
>>71928939
the 2nd Amendment is not about civilian self defense, hunting, sport shooting, etc.
It is about the self determination of the citizen body.
>>71932787
INFRINGED!!!
>>71934772
>it has the word "militia" in it, that means they're exclusively talking about the militia
>just ignore the clause that immediately follows where they explicitly use the phrase "the people"
>>71936909
it also says "being necessary to the security of a free State" -- nothing there about Alex Jones or fuckin woohoo nutbags occupying an abandoned wildlife refuge in Oregon and calling themselves a militia...
>>71937037
see - this shit here is where you are fuckin confused and MOST AMERICANS are confused - WE ARE THE MILITIA - the people - man woman and child are the fucking militia in this piece! Its not just a right its practically an obligation to own and maintain firearms for the security of a free state :D you know, the free state that you live in thats run by you and yours in the country thats run by you and yours...
>>71937350
But anon, I agree with that.
>>71936943
this.
>>71937559
i might have misunderstood.
oh well, food for thought for the tinfoil hats that might be reading...
fun fact, all shotguns are technically supposed to be regulated the same as grenade launchers and rocket launchers however they were given a special sporting exemption in i think 1964
1 shotgun has magically lost its sporting exemption and thus been regulated as a "destructive device"
pic related
>>71928939
i see you havent been to burgerstan
the niggers here are like uruk-hai whereas niggers elsewhere are regular orcs. sometimes, a weapon with a wide range of effect is necessary.
>>71933386
The cheapest rifle you can buy.
>>71937697
hey, if he doesnt want to defend himself, sport shoot, or hunt then let him just sit and stare at his guns and if it ever comes to pass he actually needs them (hopefully not) he can fuck around and accidentally shoot himself.
>>71937127
I said nothing about nutbags occupying a wildlife refugee. Only you ranted about it.
And I don't see how "being necessary to the security of a free state" changes the clause that the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. It's not a free state if you can't bear arms because the biggest indication of a free state is the people's ability to topple it if needed.
>>71935022
>NOT
>>71937905
lol street sweeper
you could take out a pack of velociraptors with that.
>>71930509
>wanted a full land invasion with many times more firebombs.
>>71929988
the second the rubber meets the road, if you are not of the rich and powerful, the laws that normally keep you from catching grenades, bullets, or batons with your face at the hands of the government are liable to go right out the window. the government will fuck you and then maybe 15 years later give a half assed apology to next of kin if a documentary is made.
and it's not even because the government is bad, it's just how power and human nature is.
see the people shot full of holes cause their car looked like Dorner's during the manhunt.
see the Waco branch dravidians who were conveniently retconned into being child molesting cultists to justify them burning in the siege.
see the Boston bombing aftermath where the 4th amendment disappeared without warning.
>>71938289
just used to people talking about how they need the 2nd amendment so they can take up arms against the corrupt govt n shit - my bad - thought you were one of them crazy fucks.
>>71928939
There is no such thing as excessive. I find it disconcerting you can imagine "sufficient".
>>71936544
>Should advanced anti air missile systems also be legal for citizens to own?
Yes. And CBRN weapons. If you say "I support guns but nobody needs grenades or tanks", then you are making the very same argument as antiguns, but drawing the "too dangerous" line a little further down.
If history has shown us anything, governments are the last people to be trusted with weapons of war, considering the unparalleled levels of destruction they've wrought. I'd sooner trust an anti-aircraft system to a pack of howling niggers than any government.
>>71929016
>written to defend yourself from a tyrannical government
>literally nothing to do with self defense
>government cowtowing to sjws
fix your own problems before focusing on your imaginary problems for others
>>71936544
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
>security of a free State
>militia
what are the militia, class?
>>71932160
Tfw when sold a flamethrower on craigslist we used to use to clear weeds on the farm. Hmmm i wonder if that was like... Illegal?
>>71937127
they were people, who were armed and supported the regulations of their group and training, that's a militia
AFAIK, they were occupied with securing a free state since their land ownership was being encroached by the BLM's rather nefarious-seeming tactics
>>71937905
What the fuck
Why that Brazillian piece of shit
You have to load each shell individually rather than having a removable drum and it jams all the time
>>71932930
They lost to Emus, mate. They didn't tame shit.
>>71938511
>people shot full of holes cause their car looked like Dorner's during the manhunt.
The best part: only in the sense that they were pickup trucks, like Dorner's grey Titan. The first was a light blue Tacoma with two hispanic women in it, who only received injuries due to the incompetent marksmanship of the police officers. The second was some white guy in a black Ridgeline, who they rammed into and fired at (and luckily missed every shot).
It's amazing how these things happen again and again, yet people continue to spout the tired meme that governments and their agents are somehow more trustworthy and capable than any individual, as if the public sector is staffed by a special race of benevolent demigods. One of the most lasting and powerful examples of doublethink on the planet.
>>71929205
>>71928939
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED
>>71941266
It's almost as if the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants throughout the ages.
