What does /pol/ think about my first gun purchase? Bushmaster XM15.
>>71928352
>you'll never be able to get a gun this easily in europe
>>71928443
It shocked me thst there was no waiting period on it being this as my first firearm purchase. All I had to do was sign a paper or two, then I was able to walk right put with it in under 15mins.
>>71928352
I think you should have done more research instead of buying the first ar15 you saw.
Nice choice op. My first gum was a California legal AR
>>71929148
I looked at various ARs. This one was right in my price range being only 500. I had a friend suggest that I should get this one, being that he comes from a military like family when it comes to firearms.
>>71928352
You really should have gotten the Smith & Wesson M&P15 v2.
>>71928352
>owning a gun
>>71928352
>>71929527
>Scrubmaster
>Shit & Weak
lad status: wew
>>71928443
>>you'll never be able to get a gun this easily in europe
Its obviously very easy, the terrorists that killed 130 people found a multitude of fully automatic AK-47s to use.
>>71929627
Bushmaster = ShitMaster
Might as well buy a Del-Ton if you want a crappy rifle
>>71928352
>PEW PEW PEW PEW
Why are Americans such immature retards, /pol/?
This is now an American hate thread.
It's difficult to get a gun in Europe if you're not degenerate, because we don't like criminals.
>>71929683
Yeah if you're a terrorist you can get whatever no problem. If you're a law abiding citizen who wants to protect yourself from such attacks that's another story.
ARs suck I hate them
>>71929580
Shut up leaf. I have four guns just ten feet from me.
You could have bought a stripped lower receiver and assembled something better while also gaining insight into how your weapon works.
But hey, gun is gun. Welcome to club.
>>71929948
You can't get AK's anymore, Obama has a hissy fit over losing Ukraine so he banned them. You can only get shitty cast metal copies from Century Arms, the China of weapons.
>>71929952
lmao found the albertan
meanwhile in civilized society we have something called the police
>>71929862
>It's difficult to get a gun in Europe if you're not degenerate
so if you're a normal person and not a degenerate its hard to get a gun?
>>71928352
>>71929952
I stopped counting somewhere around 20.
>>71930075
Good luck with that.
>>71930043
There are american made AKs
>>71929948
G3s are cool shit.
>>71929948
>Being a nig
>>71930043
Just buy some that were already imported if you want to be a filthy communist so bad.
>>71930214
>Just buy some that were already imported if you want to be a filthy communist so bad.
Already did, bought one of the last Russian AK's left in the country. The rest out there are just pieced together from surplus parts.
>>71928443
Don't remind me.
>>71930087
Yep.
I realise my sentence was awful.
>>71930146
If you know how many you have, it's not enough
>>71929792
>>71929862
Watch out for those bike wheels lads
>>71930317
> bought one of the last Russian AK's left in the country
Lol
>>71928352
let me guess
Your penis is less than 5 inches
>>71929725
>tfw S&W and Del-Ton AR parts are made in the same factory
source: I've made lowers for both
YO CAN SOMEONE SEND A MAC-11 WITH THE OPTIONAL SUPPRESSOR HERE THANKS
>>71930043
C39v2 is godlike. Only idiots who have never fired/seen one think they suck.
>>71930687
GO GET ONE YOURSELF AQUAFRESH
>>71930043
Century has upped their QC in recent years afaik
>>71928352
Which AR is the best "out of the box" AR that there is?
>>71930043
Wrong noguns. Izmash was banned. Molot,Arsenal, and other AK makers still import guns in to the US.
>>71930687
thats a nigger gun you windmill cuck
>>71928352
>first gun
>rifle
So are you going to open carry or what.
>>71930776
That's hard to say, there's a lot of pretty gucci makers you can buy that will have all sorts of very upgraded shit. It really depends on how much money you have.
>>71930687
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=553694487#PIC
>>71930776
Ehh, if you're talking big name companies, probably the Colt 6920 is what you'll hear. M&P is good, but Colt is better.
Then there are other options 'out of the box' from smaller companies like BCM and Daniel Defense... and then there's even more specialty companies that will hit you for $2k or more.
Just be glad with what you get, and upgrade the various parts as you see fit. When you're done upgrading, you'll have enough parts for a 2nd AR.
>>71930776
Rock River ARs are extremely good for the price. I used to work at an AR factory and one of my buddies had a rock river AR, he used calipers to check all the measurements. He said they were spot-fucking-on down to .0005 of an inch.
>>71930955
True but i meant which major company makes the best stock AR's on the market.
Myself i own a Remington 700 which is supposed to be the best bolt action rifle out of the box according to my hunting pals.
>>71930964
this is the only gun those cucks can get,and its still illegal http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=554797846
>>71930631
What other brands do they make there? Anderson? Psa? I always assumes most are made in the Same few places
>>71930776
Knights Armament.
>>71931062
Oh ok thank you for clarifying.
>>71930075
>police
>saving people
>>71931306
you getting ready for the race war sven?
>>71931139
That's insane even with a costumized high end rifle that is a hell of a good performance.
>>71931169
Remington 700 is a great rifle. Lots of customizations you can make with it too. What caliber is yours in? I want a .308 or 30-06 Rem 700. Probably going to be my next gun, actually.
(and I'll probably do .308)
>>71931448
Iam ready if i have to fight i will fight.
>>71931533
mine is 308.
Such a wonderful rifle if you ask me it is definantly worth the ~1000 dollars i spent for it
>>71928352
>Bushmaster
Made by a group notorious for poor component quality. You have bought it now, but I would get rid of it.
>>71931202
S&W, PSA, and Spike are their three largest customers. They've also made parts for Del-Ton, BCM, Magpul (technically those were S&W), and Double Star. There were more but I can't remember all of them, don't work there anymore. Made some Ruger parts before but they didn't like our QC and dropped us.
I did get to make some of those Spike "Crusader" lowers which were pretty sweet.
>>71931519
It really is, the factory I worked for had most tolerances at +/-.005". Some were more, some were less.
How do I protect myself in the upcoming race war with pretty much no budget? I have knives and know how to make molotovs but that's about it.
>>71931883
Hey man you probably made stuff for my business, thanks senpai.
>>71930776
I asked my local dealer this same question, he told me M&P
I'm not a "build" fan. I'm a former Marine and while I can appreciate people enjoying the hobby, and using "builds" as a means of discussing that hobby, to me it really comes down to fundamentals of marksmanship. I'd much rather see someone buy a good rifle off the shelf and go learn to shoot it well before they get into the lore of "uppers" and "lowers", like hipsters picking out shoes.
>>71932156
Look up how to make homemade single barrel shotguns
It literally takes like $50 of stuff and basic tools.
>>71932156
Get a hunters license and buy yourself a good bolt action rifle you can easily get a used one for ~3000 kr if you want to.
>>71932156
Bow and arrow. Organise into a UFV-style murder squad.
>>71932156
Pic related is your friend :)
>>71932288
So true a potential burglar won't care if your ar is customized or not a .223 to the chest is still a .223 to the chest regardless of barrel/grip/Reciever etc..
my advice to new gun owners is to get something good out of the box because getting a customized rifle as a begginner is kinda overkill.
>>71932250
Yup, I was one of the top lowers producers when I worked there so there's a good possibility any lowers from those companies were made by yours truly.
QC isn't awful there I wouldn't say; everything that needs to be spot-on usually is.
>>71932288
Like another anon eluded to, a lot of companies source their parts kits and lowers to the same places.
People are dumb and don't even realize it.
M&P is shit but in the end as long as it functions and you're happy with it, who cares.
>>71932302
Sounds like a good idea, my fathers is a CNC operator and a former welder he'd probably help me out.
>>71932341
Don't know much about bows but I'd imagine a combat bow costs about as much as a rifle.
>>71932325
With no budget I can't afford to spend $1000 on a license alone.
>>71932156
High powered mW green laser, blind your foes
>>71932156
Consider getting a large dog too. You should have a dog anyway. Treat it kindly and enforce obedience... He will fight to the death for you.
>>71932595
>fathers
meant father
>Not getting an AK
AR15s are good sports rifles, but those are not made for war.
You can't seriously consider a rifle that needs to cleaned every 1k rounds and where the fouling is blasted directly into the receiver.
Shit man, get an AK.
>>71932595
Save save save.
you will also need a weapons locker which will cost you another 3000-10000 depending on how many rifles you plan to buy.
But i can only tell you that it is definantly worth it.
>>71932729
Modern ARs from good companies are just as reliable as an AK, even when dirty. AKs are also inaccurate as shit.
>>71932934
>not posting a source
>>71932729
If you are American i would say get an AR, there is no reason to get an ak for more than nostalgic purposes.
>>71932934
This, AK platform sucks past 200-300 yards unless it's some sniper platform AK like dragunov
I'd be very afraid of an AR/M4 even out to 500-600 yards. Supposedly Marines are trained to hit accurately at that range with just iron sights on them.
>>71933073
>why not both.jpg
>>71933210
As great as the 7.62x39 round is for punching power, the 5.45x39mm definitely wins for its long distance capabilities
>>71933390
This guy gets it
>>71932729
AKs are good, reliable war rifles. But if I had my choice, I'd stick with my AR for the kind of battle you'd have in the US.
If I was clearing buildings or doing urban street fighting, I'd probably prefer an AR. But where I am, most engagements would be 200-300yds, and I wouldn't be clearing any buildings.
Here in the US, you'd be on the move. 5.56 ammo is lighter and more readily available here. And if you're shooting 1000+ rounds without a break to clean your gun, you're likely going to run out of ammo before the state of your rifle's action becomes a problem. Hell, if you're not cleaning your AK after 1000 rounds, you're neglecting your rifle.
My AR weighs just a little over 6lbs unloaded, too. And anyone I shoot with it is out of the fight for good. Dead or alive, they're not a threat. Unless I need to chop through cinder blocks to get at someone, I'll be happy with my AR.
>tfw getting a gun is not only time consuming it's incredibly expensive
I JUST WANT MY COLT M1911
REE
>>71933063
http://www.shootingtimes.com/long-guns/longgun_reviews_swmp15_121906/
>>71933390
Well true but if you can only choose one i would go for the AR.
>>71929011
why should your constitutionally protected right require you to jump through hoops?
if you fuck up we put you in jail for a long time.
i think that is a fair trade
>>71933620
Pistol licences are a pain in the ass here in Sweden, And i haven't even started on AR/AK platforms..
>>71933522
This is true, both rounds can be incredibly accurate when fired out of an AR platform though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPN3uAZiIzg
The reason AK's are so reliable is the same reason they are inaccurate: loose tolerances.
>>71933846
I know, fucking hell
>>71934106
>The reason AK's are so reliable is the same reason they are inaccurate: loose tolerances
True that. CZ858/VZ58 is superior to it imo
>>71934142
It's not impossible (Thank god) but it is very hard.
But i really do appreciate the fact that i live in one of the top 5 gun friendliest countries on the planet.
(Even though everything else political sucks)
>>71930846
>Molot,Arsenal, and other AK makers still import guns in to the US.
Arsenal doesnt make guns, they import bulgarian parts kits and molots and make you pay twice as much for them.
>>71933616
you don't want a 5.56. The government would send spiked ammo to any rebel groups.
I prefer my AK-74 because it uses 5.45x39mm and all of the ammo imported is pristine russian, untainted.
>>71928352
It's a shitty Remington.
AR's are shit until colt makes a gas piston version
>>71935057
That's an interesting point, actually. Spiked ammo... hadn't even thought of that. But I'm pretty sure you're right.
Of course, I'm sitting on a couple thousand rounds of ammo already... none of which is spiked. But, I agree, there's a real chance of that happening.
>>71935330
Those have been around for a while senpai
>>71934808
Is it really top 5 when it's this shitty?
What the fuuuuuuuuuuck
>>71935555
top 5-8 depending on list but yes there is a shit ton of hunters out there.
>>71929862
I know a guy who claimed that he needed a gun for clay pigeon shooting and he got one.
It's a meme that you can't get guns in Europe, admittedly we are very limited compared to our American cousins though.
>>71930075
>people responding to this bait
>>71935658
its easier to get black cock in europe than to get a black rifle.
>>71935555
Map of guns per capita.
>>71935725
Welp, I'm not gonna argue with someone from blackcockistan
>>71934282
Surprised that pin hasn't fallen out yet.
>>71935634
>>71935793
I knew about the guns per capita but I can't believe our shitty gun laws still places us within top 10
Jesus christ.
I'm an AKfag thinking of getting an AR.
Redpill me on dissipators. At first glance, they look sexy as hell.
>>71935793
This map gets my flag poll at full mast.
>>71935973
We would be even higher if it werent for the fact that we have 1,5 million foreigners here.
Because only Swedes and other European immigrants own legal firearms.
>>71936081
>Freedom intensifies
No shotguns? I got a mossberg maverick 88 for my tiny house.
>inb4 cheap nigger
I know its the budget version of the 500 but a mans gotta eat.
>>71936817
Should mention mine has no stock and has a pistol grip
>>71936817
Get a Mossberg 500, the maverick 88 is now made in turkey or china or some other shithole.
>>71936983
I'd love to get a tricked out 500 with all the bells and whistles. I was saving for an AR but I already have some .22 ruger rifles for varmint hunting so I think i'll go with the 500. This whole thread has injected me with undiluted freedom.
>>71928352
What is the idea behind having a short handguard vs a full length.
It looks a lil dinky to me 2bh pham
>>71936817
I have heard pretty good things about the maverick. I would spend more if I was going to be shooting it a lot, but if it's for home defense, you're not going to have any reliability issues.
I've been thinking about just getting a cheapo shotgun for close-range home defense. I've got a guard dog though, so I'm nervous about spray'n'pray harming my pupper.
>>71937220
Fuck the 500, go with a Benelli Nova. I bought a 500 and regretted it. The Benelli is just so smooth and better made, the Mossberg 500 is like an AK-47, reliable but loose and pedestrian.
>>71937220
>>71937348
Get that 590A1, they're the tits
What are thoughts on the hybrid .223 Wylde and .300 BLK rounds?
Gonna be building an AR in a few weeks, and I'm leaning towards a Wylde upper
>>71928352
I wish you would shoot me in the mouth with this
>>71928352
Just don't take it to school with you
>>71937522
My dream AR is a double stamp 300 blackout
Meaning tax stamped for having under 16inch barrel and suppressor stamped
I have seen people fire them in real life with subsonic rounds and it is more quiet than a .22 rifle. Also with the subsonic rounds, the powder used is very fast burning so you can get efficient bullet velocity from even a 10 in barrel
>>71930776
Don't listen to these other fags. Windham Weoponry is where it's at.
>>71938201
Googled it and at first glance i think it kind of looks like the Swedish standard service rifle ak5c (or atleast has simularities)
Here in Sweden we are limited to which ar platforms we can buy due to MUH REGULATIONS.
Link below is basically what is possible to buy AR wise:
http://www.mp-vapen.se/23-hera-arms-ar15
>>71930776
>Which AR is the best "out of the box" AR that there is?
A real Colt AR-15 rifle, accept no substitutes.
