So, what exactly are the pros and cons to building a giant fuck-off WALL?
Will it actually help or is it just a rallying call for Americans that dislike illegals?
>>71924311
The con is they'll get still through, Trumpettes are braindead. It didn't work for ancient China and it sure as hell won't work now
Stops illegal drug trade mostly. It's largely symbolic when tracking illegal immigration. Most illegal immigration is committed through visa overstays.
The wall symbolizes a "illegal Mexicans not welcome" sign. Which will stop this problem from occurring in the future.
>>71924428
What a stupid post
>If they know we don't want them they'll stop coming!
They already know, they don't care
I think it's just a meme so he can raly all hateful rednecks. There will be no wall, because he will lose.
>>71924311
Pros:
- people can't walk over
- easily defensible
- new American landmark
Cons:
- costs money
- people get butthurt
- angry Mexicans
- tunnels (possible)
>>71924535
No. They don't know. We allow them to be hired, collect welfare, drive cars, get loans, go to college using subsidized funding, etc etc. Hell, we're working on letting them vote.
There's nothing in how we treat illegals, at a governing level, that says "go back home."
It doesn't matter, haven't you people realized that he's not actually going to build the fucking wall? He's just saying it because that's an idiot's solution to a complex problem. I mean, that's the sort of idea that a drunk at a bar thinks up. This is good because the majority of voters are exactly this stupid, and they eat up idiotically simple ideas like this.
When he's in office, he pretend he never said anything about it, and everyone will forget about it, and he'll go about cutting wallstreet regulations for 8 years.
>>71924426
>It didn't work for ancient China
>>71924311
It would help as far as inflow of illegals. It will hurt commerce between both countries. And it will shoot up illicit drug prices 10 times. It's a mixed bag. It's very expensive to build and to maintain. We're talking about billions of dollars that can be used for veteran homelessness, due example.
>>71924719
If the wall doesn't happen, he can prosecute cities that have made sanctuaries for illegals, push e-verify, eliminate welfare collection in illegal alien homes, and end lenient visa programs with Mexico.
All of which, with the exception of e-verify, can be done without a single new law.
>>71924426
I don't see no Mexicans in China.
Checkmate, atheist scum.
>>71924607
ancient china had methods of detecting people tunneling under their walls, don't even try with this tunneling shit. When you have a wall, you can't tunnel under it without getting caught unless you're mining with a fucking spoon.
>>71924311
Why build a wall when the enemies are already in, Amerifags?
Be smart. Turn the latino against the negro, and both of them against the mohameddan.
Then press the damn codes and shower this fucking earth in fallout
>>71924311
Won't keep them all out but will help some.
Also a status thing. Kinda like showing off you have a big donger. It's all about putting the fear into them. Make a wall and put guards on it.
>>71924719
DING DING DING DING DING
we have a winner
>>71924938
The tunnel meme implies that the drug cartels are going to use their billion dollar drug smuggling tunnels for filthy unwashed illegal plebs
>>71924311
pros:
everything
cons:
nothing
Trump truly understand Keynesian economics. Tariffs and public works.
>>71924311
Like most american things, the DREAM of security.
Mexicans have been digging tunnels for decades now, a wall won't do jack shit.
What you really want is harsher patrols and laws, plus cooperation with what's left of mexican authorities.
Hell bribe the local crime gangs to patrol their side of the border for you and shot to kill.
>>71924311
Pros wall will be far cheaper than the cost of illegals shitting all over the country, sure some will still get through but no where near the numbers just walking on over. Using the materials just like the Jews did over in Israel, the wall won't be that expensive. The only downside is the know nothing liberals who have no clue will get butt mad over not being able to import voters to retain power through fraud and shitty behavior allowing foreigners to screw things up to win elections.
Walls definitely work. They worked for China, they work for Israel, and they even work for Mexico.
No, it doesn't stop all illegal immigration, but only a brainless retard would use that as an argument against it.
Secure Fence Act of 2006 helped a little, but was eventually defunded and Obummer stated it was nearly complete, which he completely lied about.
>>71924938
Hey man, just saying that tunnels might be on the rise as a result of wall. Not saying they're unstoppable.
>>71924426
>didn't work for ancient China
But it did you dumbass. It made the finnish have to go around it.
The wall is stupid honestly. They need a DMZ style border with minefields, or to forcibly sterilize all would be mexican immigrants.
>>71924607
>- tunnels (possible)
They already do this. They have underground tunnels everywhere. The USA is collapsing as many as they can, but there's probably a huge network already setup. Unless that wall is going way deep inside Earth, a wall isn't going to help much, if at all.
>>71924311
You can like decide who gets in and who don't.
>>71924426
It sure works for Israel :^
Lads. Buy land on the border, and then sell it to the State when they build the wall. Trump himself even said the State pays out more for land seized with eminent domain.
>>71924607
>- tunnels (possible)
You do know that in 2016 we have the technology that allows us to detect tunnels, right?
>>71924426
>works in Israel
>works in Mexico
>works in several European countries
>Saudis are building a wall
Yeah you're a fucking idiot
>>71924311
CHINA DID IT 1000 YEARS AGO FFS
>>71925096
Dont we have a tunnel detection system now?
The US needs to have a healthy society. We need to have low rungs on the economic ladder.
If an illegal hops the border, lives in a trailer with 8 of his buddies and sends his entire paycheck home, he is just depressing the wages of poor Americans, and taking a low skilled job away from them (which there are less and less of anyway).
Not to mention the drugs and shit that cross the border with them. A legal mexican is different. They are busting their ass to build their own place in the local community. That is what the big beautiful door is for.
Anyway, I can't believe the entire black community is not 100% for Trump. Trump is their only hope for permanent economic advancement. The fact that BLM idiots are against him just demonstrates they are bought and paid for stooges of the left. (and probably too stupid to know this)
>tunnels
Ill take What is hyperacoustics for 500 bob.
The same tech we use to detect oil deposits in Texas. The same tech that found trapped chilean minera. We can literally listen all the way through our crust on the planet.
We just have to line the wall with sensors ever quarter of a mile. No tunnel will make it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
>Suicide bombings have decreased since the construction of the barrier.[4][41] Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been less able to conduct attacks in (((Our Greatest Ally))), which have decreased in areas where the barrier has been completed.[42][43]
>The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the (((Our Greatest Ally))) Security Agency report that in 2002, there were 452 fatalities from terrorist attacks. Before the completion of the first continuous segment (July 2003) from the beginning of the Second Intifada, 73 Palestinian suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, killing 293 Israelis and injuring over 1,900. After the completion of the first continuous segment through the end of 2006, there were only 12 attacks based in the West Bank, killing 64 people and wounding 445.[3] Terrorist attacks declined in 2007[3] and 2008[44] to 9 in 2010.[45]
>The Ministry of Foreign Affairs predicts that completion of the barrier will continue to prevent terrorist attacks[46] since "[a]n absolute halt in terrorist activities has been noticed in the West Bank areas where the fence has been constructed."[42]
BUT THE TERRORISTS WILL JUST DIG TUNNELS GUYS
COME ON
WE DON'T NEED A WALL
>>71925862
Just store radioactive waste on the border.
They'll have to dig into the ground for foundations, right? Won't that fuck the Tunnels' shit up? Or am I wrong?
>>71925944
Just wait until a democratic administration takes over. They will stop listening to the sensors, wait for tunnels to be built then say, PFFFF, WE TOLD YOU THIS WAS STUPID!
The biggest problem in this country are the liberals. Conservatives need to stop being nice.
>>71926083
You can always dig deepeer.
>>71924311
con: our illegals most come legally and overstay their welcome
>>71926012
>Now the USA has a RADIOACTIVE immigrant problem
>>71924607
>tunnels (possible)
Really depends on how far the US is willing to go. Seismographs work, but it's a wide wall to watch.
>>71924426
It's working pretty well in europe.
>>71924311
>Move lips
>Stupid people vote
>...
>Profit!
Trump is the product he is trying to sell, and he knows his customers...
>>71924311
There is nothing that can save this country, it's demise was set in motion 100 year ago.
Just be patient and wait for the inevitable balkanization.
>>71924607
>Cons
>angry Mexicans
>>71924719
Yeah, he'll be astounded that people took "the wall thing" seriously. It was all just a metaphor people!
>>71924311
Trump has said repeatedly that the wall will just be one part of a larger effort to secure the borders. He's not saying to just build a wall and walk away.
>>71924830
>We're talking about billions of dollars that can be used for veteran homelessness
Man I hate people like you so much.
>>71924719
>a solution needs to be complex to work
t. libcuck
>>71926602
this should be a new fallacy
>>71924719
You really fucking wrong about this. He's made it a big campaign pillar and people are energized over it. If he doesn't try to build the wall it will set off an epic civil war. The same civil war that would start if he gets unfairly denied the nomination.
>>71925096
They are not going to expose their tunnels to shit illegals who will spill the beans.
Pros: USA fucks itself over by wasting money
Cons: None that I can see
>>71927073
Why can't they force prison inmates to do it for free?
>>71927403
This. The US has a prison population of over 2 million, surely a good load of them would be good for building the wall.
>>71927403
Slavery is supposed to be labor forced indirectly, your plan would be too obvious
>>71927403
>>71927640
Better have a great rifle man to keep them in sight.
>>71927656
Working on the wall can be used as an incentive to shorten prison sentences, would it be slave labor then?
>>71927802
Do you fuck know that there are private prisons in the USA that force their inmates to work? They also fund the war on crime. After all, everyone should end up in jail and work for free.
>>71928052
My man.
>>71927073
>trying to stem the colossal wave of illegal immigrants is "wasting money"
Why do Eurotrash comment on this shit? You have no idea how disastrous rampant Mexican immigration has been for the US, and with a huge border that mostly encompasses empty wilderness there's no easy way to stop it.
But of course, make sure to pat yourself on the back because those "Ebil Amerifats" dared to try and stop illegals from gutting our economy any further
The Americans most directly affected by illegal Mexican immigration are not among the most literate Americans. You will rarely find that type of person on a forum speaking his mind, more likely he's in someone's backyard drinking beer and dropping hamburgers on the ground.
There is a certain type of job in this country, you might call them "fall-back jobs," that no longer exist because of illegal Mexicans pervading the work force. Jobs like landscaping, roofing, any semi-skilled or unskilled construction really, are just gone. Unless, of course, you want to work for Mexican wages.
It wasn't that long ago in America that those kinds of jobs kept families afloat when times got tough. Lose your job? No problem, just go mow lawns with your brother-in-law's landscaping company for a few weeks to keep the cash-flow flowing while you look for another one. Or just check the paper, and take one of the dozens of unskilled labor jobs advertised in any decent-sized town.
But no more. Now, when an American is unemployed, he's just fucking unemployed until he finds another job in his field, which might take months or even years. Because all the fall-back jobs are now taken by illegal Mexicans willing to work for half-wages and sending even those straight out of the country.
So, wall? Yes.
>>71929151
More spics are leaving your country than entering nigger.
>>71929875
>More spics are leaving your country than entering nigger.
[citation greatly needed]
>>71930182
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
>From 2009 to 2014, 1 million Mexicans and their families (including U.S.-born children) left the U.S. for Mexico, according to data from the 2014 Mexican National Survey of Demographic Dynamics (ENADID). U.S. census data for the same period show an estimated 870,000 Mexican nationals left Mexico to come to the U.S., a smaller number than the flow of families from the U.S. to Mexico.
>>71930328
Does that include all the central american hispanics and such entering? Guess not...
>>71930182
Actually it's funny. Finally they're going down in numbers and you want to build a wall, maybe Trump wants to keep em in to keep exploiting them.
>>71930328
>nationals
>>71930328
>more than 1 million documented migrants left
>the complain is about undocumented ILLEGAL migrants
Utterly pointless post, very low energy. Sad!
>>71924830
heres a tip cut off the welfare illegals and /r9k/ smug posters of their gobment allowance im sure you'll break even
>>71930328
You moron, census data doesn't reflect illegals, who are the fucking problem. Way to go full-aussie, Hans.
>>71930694
>>71930766
Not just documented. Estimates for illegals used as well.
Basically it's going to make right-wing politics lose even more and look even more ridiculous to the common world.
Immigration is a matter of supply and demand. All them spics are coming into USA because Americans are too fat and stupid in order to do simple things like mowing their own lawns, cleaning up their own toilets or hiring a teenager kid from the neighborhood to babysit their toddler.
Same with the cartels and drugs. They exist and ship so many drugs because muritards have a drug culture and are so obsessed with them. Because doctors shove painkillers down their throats, because smoke weed erryday but no legalization, because of all the crazy shit. Rednecks and gypsies in Romania just get drunk, they don't do crack or heroin or meth or other bullshit.
So the wall ain't going to solve the problem. The cartels will use tunnels, fast boats, drones or send the drugs through Canada. The prices will go up (because it will be harder to bring drugs in) which will lead to more violence and crime. Liberals will ask for decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (because the war on drugs does not work blabla), which will lead the western world to even more degeneracy.
And Manuela with Jose who took cleaned your house and fixed your plumbing will still come in, but now it's going to be illegally, still stealing your jobs, still doing the shit you're too stupid to do, but now it's going to be official and it's gonna fuck you up the ass even more (easier to get naturalized and so on). When "illegal immigration" is done, your globalists will just focus on moving the factories over the border and on bringing latinos with unlimited temporary work visas.
So once Trump is out of the office, the pendulum will hit very far to the left again, and it's going to make a job easier for the leftists. You'll be begging to be more moderate like Sweden.
>>71930494
>Finally they're going down in numbers
and ANYONE living in a border state will tell you that is flat out BS. Like I'm central valley (Sacramento) California and it's gotten totally out of control the last say 5-10 years. Every school that use to be "ok" has now plunged in testing/grade/ranking numbers being they are flooded with mexicans.
The only areas that still have high rated schools are the ones where the property values are so high they can't afford to move there, even if they stack up 10+ into a house like they do everywhere else.
The second I leave my bubble of the $$$$$$$ zone by the American river I'm hearing spanish in the stores and seeing mexican moms with 3+ kids. My local Costco up near Cal Expo now feels like some sort of 3rd world transport bus hub due to the lack of English and the mud people everywhere. It's not just mexicans of course but still, it's a horrible change.
Keep in mind this is not an issue with clean numbers. It's not like intel reporting they made X amount of chips and next year it was X +10%. We don't have hard numbers about how many illegals are flooding in to the country. So any study saying numbers out is higher is a faulty by it's very nature.
Like in 2015 in California 1/2 of all of our drivers licenses went to illegals. Something like 600k+ and 800k applications..
I'm not pro trump, I'm not sure a wall is better then policy changes (fix 14th amendment, problem solved) but stop with the BS that the numbers are going down.
>>71931850
Please refer to the first half of >>71929151 this post and kill yourself
>>71931850
>All them spics are coming into USA because
No, they come for all the free stuff. Free schooling, free school lunch, free medical and even college is cheap here if you go to a state school. You only have to crank out a few kids and they are insta-legal. Plus life here, even if you are kind of poor is still way better then life in other places.
The illegal numbers also only count the true illegals and there is no fruit of the poison tree like we do for court cases. Being what should happen is a family of 6 with two illegal parents should count as SIX damn it.
Yet they don't being of course it's technically two illegals and 4 brand new citizens due the outdated policy how you only need to be born here. So quickly you have number like 1000 illegals and that over looks their 2000+ kids.
>>71932002
Your post doesn't contradict mine faggot
> build wall with beautiful gates
> trump gets replaced by a millenial-pandering librul
> open the gates, rampant mexican immigration continues
Europe is actually a good example of what's going on. Rapefugees risk going on shitty boats on the Mediterranean sea, or travel by bike through fucking Russia just so they can reach the gibsmedats and the easy rape victims of scandinavia and germany. And the biggest problem is not that there' no wall surrounding yurop; the problem is with liberals and lazy fucks who let them in for various reasons.
You're not fixing a problem, you're only slightly ameliorating it temporarily until it gets worse.
>>71924426
>builds wall
>10 million prevented from crossing
>a couple still manage to get through
>HA HA IT ONLY HAS A 99.9% SUCCESS RATE TRUMP = STUMPED
>>71932876
Sorry, I meant this guy >>71932173
