https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital_flight
How do 'poorer' countries solve the 'brain drain' problem?
Lets focus on Eastern Europe (Balkans, Baltics, V4) since they are the future saviours of Europe. Apart from 'muh incentives', can someone politically-minded, perhaps from these countries, explain the approach to fixing this?
I keep telling Lithuanians that London is a shithole, but all the Lithuanian students I know seem intent on moving there.
Why would I want to stop it? I want to accelerate it.
Enjoy your "refugees" :^)
>>71898714
>How do 'poorer' countries solve the 'brain drain' problem?
it's not only countries, but poor regions within a country that also suffer this
smart and capable people flock to other smart and capable people. there's really nothing we can do about this.
Having your own culture and language can help. But mostly they can't solve it. No matter how much they work on improving their society and educating their citizen, the west will steal it.
>>71898893
>The west will steal it
Anti-Winner scum.
As western civilization is gradually destroyed by niggers and muslims, productive whites will migrate to the uncucked east.
I don't want to stay in Serbia, because people here don't want to change, they want Western salaries, but for everything to stay the same.
I can't get a gf because they want Western men so they can go to the West. If I lived in the West then my "value" will go up with women.
Here if you are not in a political party you can't get a job, even if you do salary is 300€ per month. Everybody is moving to Belgrade and it's way to crowded now.
Prostitution is legal in the West.
>>71899142
This, mostly.
In Spain the "brain drain" (or brain getaway as we called it) didn't start until the 2000s. What was the turning point then? Our socialist leader that turned Spain into a marxist mafia paradise.
First the "calling effect" happened. Our socialist party changed the immigration policy in a way that was basically inviting africans to cross the waters. We were flooded by immigrants and we basically opened the gates. Not only that, we encouraged them.
Then the constant cuts in education and the obstacles to become an entrepeneur. We also dumbed down our education system both in schools and universities and of course we made contracts extremely appealing for companies to hire and fire people at will so nobody is safe in their workplace anymore.
All marxist steps towards eliminating the upper-middle class in Spain so people with goals and ambitions fled the country.
>since they are the future saviours of Europe.
lol, we have no reason or potential to save western scum
>>71898714
People need to understand that there is more to life than conspicuous consumption. Ecconomic oppurtunism is the drag factor.
^^^^
Literally the worst that might happen. I have hope for Baltics they can make out of this Slav bullshit.
>>71900006
I've never heard of Serbian women wanting western men. They seem really obsessed with the Serbian macho culture.
>>71898714
>I keep telling Lithuanians that London is a shithole, but all the Lithuanian students I know seem intent on moving there.
Pole here. Moved to London after 4 years of unemployment in Poland. I searched for a job in Poland every day, sent hundreds of CV's, called HR, visited companies directly.
Nobody wanted to hire me, because I am without connections(and even in western corporations Polish HR girls will hire only people with right background in family or with connections).
So after 4 years I moved to London when one of my relatives died and left me some money out of insurance that allowed me for a trip and lodging.
I found a job in London in ONE WEEK.
ONE FUCKING WEEK.
Compared to FUCKING 4 YEARS OF DESPAIR IN POLAND.
And you ask why people go to London.
I am never going back to Poland.
For the record I have two university degrees and masters degree.
Don't buy the propaganda. Poland is nepotism, corruption, and feudalism. Not some shining land of joy.
>>71900956
Come to Serbia and just show your passport and you'll see.
What I hate about the West now is that I need to speak language level B2 before coming, before it was only English and then to learn.
>>71901191
> Poland is nepotism, corruption, and feudalism. Not some shining land of joy.
Don't worry, I know what you mean, that's why I asked 'how do they fix this?'
Congratulations though, what is your job? Is your rent not expensive as fuck?
>>71901205
You don't need any of that if you have brown skin.
>>71901205
Had a crazy sexy Serbian girl at university, but she was born here.
Plz send more
>>71901452
But I don't, I'm white man.
>>71901464
Come to Serbia for a few days and pick some yourself.
>>71901191
Same in Serbia.
UK has a huge problem with that anyway.
>>71898714
By having the EU invest in the poorer countries to develop good universities, research organizations etc...
I hate it when Germans complain that Greece doesn't pay debt all the while stealing all the smart Greeks thanks to the EU agreements. It's what happens inside a country e.g. between Paris and Auvergne or whatever in France. There's no reason not to make it happen inside the EU or else you syphon to death the smaller countries.
For reference, at work we have an immense influx of Greeks, Spanish, Italians, Romanians, ... Many plan on staying. It scares me to think what'll happen to their countries.
>>71898714
you see my friend, you see that its a shithole, but as our whole country is even bigger shithole they see it as a heaven + There are alot of Lithuanian societies (idk how to call them, forgot) It they just hang with them.
>>71901191
Welp, thats shot some holes in my plan to move to Eastern Europe if we fail in Brexit.
Where else can Brits flee to /pol/?
>>71902363
Our unis are good what we need are stable jobs with a good enough salary to thrive a bit, too many people just survive from salary to salary.
>>71902529
Latvia is a good choice, a lil bit less corrupted as it seems and overall more westernize with some culture left so its k.
>>71901191
I don't want to bash you, but you don't have any technical degrees, do you?
>>71902552
This is also solved by investment. You'd need to fund and create from the ground up good research institutes for exemple, eventually make areas to facilitate startup/company creation, maybe poaching a few companies into moving but most likely the brain centers won't move...
The Balkan countries have good education (the only thing remaining from a socialist system) and the people that are educated are very good at their jobs.
But, the problem lies in our political system wich is infested to the core by corruption and getting jobs based on family relations and the like, why would you stay in a country if no matter how educated you are you can't get a job?
I saw a report on some dude who has two college diplomas, mathemathics and electrical engineering, and he works in store for 200€ a month.
Would you waste your best years if that was the case?
>>71902529
become English teacher just like every other brit here
>>71901191
Nice pasta, pretty sure you post it once a day you lazy, uneducated faggot.
>>71902647
I was never good at maths so no.
Why? Are you claiming only people with technical degrees should have jobs?
Apparently my degrees and CV were good enough to start a career in UK in administration that gives me more money than I could earn in Poland even with technical degree.
>>71902743
>you lazy, uneducated faggot.
Ahhh, here come the butthurt rodacy.
If I am lazy and uneducated then why am I working in a good job in UK while you suffer mobbing, pot holed roads and threat of Russian invasion in Poland?
>>71902363
I don't think so, most of the people, at least those which are not married to a native of the host country, will leave sooner or later, white european immigrants prefer their own countries, and I'm saying this as a Bulgarian diaspora.
My parents, after 14 years here are planning to leave as soon as I can fully take care of my own, and I might go back as well in few more years if I don't get married to some spanish women( think that I find difficult)
>>71902670
The sad part is that some big companies wanted to off shore some of their business here but our brave patriotic lads decided to demand 3 arms and a leg from them so they just moved on, god bless our leaders.
We first need to get rid of a lot of connected political people.
>>71902632
>Latvia a little bit less corrupt
No, if something then it's Estonia or Lithuania, we are corrupt as fuck.
Estonia is the best choice to move to 2bh
>>71902838
Where I am it's not the case. The people I'm talking about are already looking for tenures or companies based here. I think indeed some go back because everyone loves their country and native environment, but many don't go back which amounts to a huge loss over time.
Worked some time in germoney, 3 years without even a chance for a job in Croatia, found one in germany in 2 days.
Took me longer to get papers than a job, and getting papers took only a day.
>>71902855
All of them, its fukin nightmere fuckin politicans buying huge mansions from money that just magicilly appeared.
>>71898714
>How do 'poorer' countries solve the 'brain drain' problem?
They don't. That's why 'Syrian refugees', Sub-Saharan African males, East Euros and almost every kind of Asian imaginable are still rushing Western Europe and North America rather than settling closer to their places of origin..
They honestly believe our streets are paved in gold, and for a large part are willing to leave their own countries and peoples behind in crippling poverty and abject backwardsness JUST to get a chance to maybe clean a Western European's toilet or, if he's REALLY succesful, drive an actual Benz in the form of a taxi or delivery van...
>>71902749
>muh shekels
It's nice that you have more money, but at least we don't have to be wary of being beheaded here when we go out at night.
If nobody wants to hire you into administration, it's because this part of a market is already saturated. Really, how much people with shit degrees do you think employers need? Nepotism is obviously a thing and you're 10 times more likely to get a job if you know the right people, but don't tell lies about how it's the only reason why you were unemployed here.
Should have bitten the bullet and gotten some korki in maths.
Most of my people that leave the country, leave it for Germany. Bu they'll be back soon enough
As a person with a STEM degree, it's not really just the salary, nor the benefits nor the vast spectrum of various STEM jobs that drive young people to leave this country. It's the fact that after studying like an idiot for 5 years, even if you do find a job, in most cases it won't be demanding. You'll probably work some mediocre job that a person with a technical high school could do and you won't expand your experience, won't advance your career etc. It's sad though, there's a lot of wasted potential.
>>71902903
shut up , Ivan
well, the EU federalists see the 'brain drain' just as a natural allocation of workforce as a production resource, so the richer more industrialized countries compensate for the assimilated new citizens from these countries, by helping development and standard of living with 'dem EU programs and dem loan-medats'. But there are negative effects to this obviously, the influx of foreigners with a different culture in the western countries, and the rise of right-wing politics in poorer countries, among others.
As for the pure population count being important for a country's economic development, it isnt so much an issue of something that is holding back development, but rather a determinating factor on what industries the country should focus on.
Compare the Netherlands and China for example, one should focus on capital intensive industries, while the other on workforce intensive industries.
>>71902903
oh yeah? Dude our gouverment is literally a mafia, you cant even do a protest without secret service guys starting up a riot and shit.
>>71903046
>They honestly believe our streets are paved in gold, and for a large part are willing to leave their own countries and peoples behind in crippling poverty and abject backwardsness
As I am an Eastern European in abroad(from Poland). The alternative for me was death from starvation in Poland(no job=no food). There are no jobs in Poland for people without connections or family background.
Nobody believes that streets are paved with gold in the West(at least in Eastern Europe). But we know it is easy to get a job. In Poland getting a job is an achievement.
>>71898893
Haha no, a few months of cultural enrichment and they'll go right back. The only thing a country can do is create a very favorable tax climate.
>>71903114
t. Sergei
>>71903147
Then Estonia is the best, BRAVO ESTONIA!
>>71898714
Wait til the Brown Drain empties the middle east and africa and fills up Western Europe and National Level White Flight ensues and fills up mediocre but majority white countries like Australia and Poland.
>>71902363
>I hate it when Germans complain that Greece doesn't pay debt all the while stealing all the smart Greeks thanks to the EU agreements.
But Germans are right. Greeks should pay fucking debt.. Alternatively, they shouldn't have made so much debt. But now that they've amassed it, they're surely obligated to repay it..
>'Stealing all te smart Greeks'
Fuck that Pierre... The EU is an open border zone, and was intended as such pretty much from the start. Definitely at the time Greece joined. They WANTED to join a Union (back then still 'Community' iirc) with free movement of goods, services and trade. They WANTED to send their people up North to make money. They WANTED the tourists that came from the South to make money off. They chose all of this, as a country.. And they fucked it up. And now we're supposed to forgive them their debts or something, 'because we're stealing their smart people' and paying them handsomely?
Fuck that. You don't hear us whining that you 'steal our tourists' because of all the Dutch folks that would rather drag their caravans to the South of France than the coasts of Zeeland like the Germans... Because that would be retarded.
>>71898714
There is NOTHING you can do it todays world to stop "brain drain"
People want more money and better jobs and if they can get them elsewhere and have a better life, they will.
The only defense to Brain Drain is nationalism, if you're patriotic, you wont want to leave your home land.
>>71902529
Asia always needs English teachers but you'll be viewed as a nigger. America used to be good but these days I don't know any more. If Trump wins, America.
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>>71903076
>It's nice that you have more money, but at least we don't have to be wary of being beheaded here when we go out at night.
I really don't worry about this that much. It's not a common crime here after all.
And I didn't move from Poland to "earn more money" but to work. I have tried to get a job in Poland for 4 years.
Sorry but this is the way it is. Millions of Poles fled Poland for a reason.
>Should have bitten the bullet and gotten some korki in maths.
So I would waste 4 another years trying to do something I am simply not born for and waste more years of my life with no chance of getting a meager job afterwards ? While by buying a ticket for 1 hour journey I can be in a country where people treat me better than fellow Poles and I can find job in a week?
>>71903215
i think all of the baltics are kinda same + balkans, USSR didnt only hit us in development but it also hit in our understanding, culture and shit.
>>71901191
Your are shit that is why you can't find job here. Don't back faggot.
>>71902958
people at the beginning say that, but when you are not with your family 3 or 4 Christmases opinions change
>>71898893
The west will steal what? You're a fucking retarded leftie mate, if you think you can steal intelligence or societal progress you need to shut the fuck up and kill yourself.
By the way when my ancestors went over to the nigger land, they were literally all ooga booga pushing up sticks and living in mud huts. There was nothing TO steal. They barely understood wheels.
>>71903136
I think it all comes down to the fact that the EU was created but never finished. When the unique money went into creation and when the Schengen area was created, it was expected that the EU would be a federal state within less than ten years. It wasn't planned to stay like it is atm.
We end up in a situation where brainpower is drained but there is no collective investment to counter balance and fund jobs in the native countries so that they can eventually come back to a good career. This is the death of EU.
Refer to those guys.
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>>71898714
They dont
Educated young people are liberals
They leave to west
Only uneducated redecks remain
Success
>>71903165
>As I am an Eastern European in abroad(from Poland). The alternative for me was death from starvation in Poland(no job=no food). There are no jobs in Poland for people without connections or family background.
>Nobody believes that streets are paved with gold in the West(at least in Eastern Europe). But we know it is easy to get a job. In Poland getting a job is an achievement.
Within the EU the expectations immigrants tend to have are more realistic, and I don't think you can fully count the Poles coming to work here as 'brain drain'... In part because they tend to be largely lower educated people that work jobs in transport, harvest, factories etc, and in part because Poland IS part of the same Union, and as such the Poles that work here tend to retain ties with their home countries, send money there, often move back after a while etc. The same does not seem to be true for the non-EU east Euros and especially the Third Worlders that come here.
>>71903046
>White Westerners go to brown shit holes and make them modern and prosperous
>Browns just move to and leech off of white countries
Why is this?
>>71903355
Poland:
>Your are shit that is why you can't find job here.
Concentration camp
>Your are shit that is why you can't find food here.
Yeah right. And somehow I and millions of other Poles can easily find job abroad.
Maybe it is the country that has the problem and not million of people who suddenly become employable just across the border.
>>71899142
BritBong here. I've been learning Polish since last Christmas. I'm a software developer and I'm thinking about emigrating to Poland in the future.
People tell me I'm nuts and that I'll be worse off financially which is probably true with the relative cost of living but I would have a middle class life there which is "good enough". Really I'd just like to live among men who arn't complete nancy boys.
>>71898714
They don't. As long as EU exists it will continue. The West will always be more developed that the East even with all niggers and Muslims. Besides, they are only bad because Westerners aren't used to their levels of aggression. East Europeans are more accustomed to it, so it's not such a big problem.
>>71903434
>. In part because they tend to be largely lower educated people that work jobs in transport, harvest, factories etc
40% of Polish immigrants have higher education and work in finances, administration etc.
>and as such the Poles that work here tend to retain ties with their home countries, send money there, often move back after a while etc.
Almost nobody comes back to Poland, it is a myth.
>>71903273
>You don't hear us whining that you 'steal our tourists' because of all the Dutch folks that would rather drag their caravans to the South of France than the coasts of Zeeland like the Germans
It isn't the same at all. These Greek brains etc have no way of coming back to their place. At your place you can make other tourists come, and even if you can't you have other industries and those people come back to work when holidays end.
For the Greeks imagine this, they have all their people leaving and not coming back after investing money in their education (!!!). They have no asset left because it was better to manufacture elsewhere thanks to the integration. They only have agriculture, island tourism, and death ahead of them. The few guys making companies crawl under fees because the government doesn't have the means to not make them pay security etc. Is this a future ? Please.
>>71903493
>Really I'd just like to live among men who arn't complete nancy boys
And for this you're going to move to a country where you don't speak the language and will make literal pennies in your field compared to in the West, all the while living somewhere where you (probably) don't have any social ties?
Literally fucking why? If you wanted to move away from nancy boys, all you'd have to do is move to some shit neighborhood where fine British specimens tend to glass each other over a pair of shoes or a Stone Island jacky, or the last gulp of cider...
>>71903215
Ivan only corrupt person in Latvia are your mom , what sells her asshole to any black cock
>>71903303
There are many paths you can take in your life. Some of them are easier, some are more ambitious. If you were a shitskin, you could simply claim refugee status in Germany and live a decent life for someone else's money without having to work a day in your life. How much respect do you have for "refugees", really? Because they are doing exactly the same thing as you, sniffing out an opportunity to have a much easier life and grabbing it.
Even the biggest idiot can learn math and physics when he tries hard enough. Don't go into that "I wasn't born for it" crap. Maybe you weren't born to be a world class musician or a brain surgeon, but you certainly could have learned to play an instrument or been a first contact doctor.
>>71903604
I wish they let Turkey into the EU or some crazy shit like that, because so far westerners seem to enjoy the EU very much while toying with eastern europe countries
>>71898714
Baltics aren't Eastern Europe, Ahmed. We're Northern Europe.
The solution is Nationalism. Not white nationalism or Israeli nationalism, but nationalism for all people. all countries.
If we were all Nationalist countries we'd keep immigration to a bare minimum. Smart people would be forced to stay in their country and do their part.
My solution is pseudo-globalism. The current globalists want to mash all cultures together. My globalism would be a world where the one thing we all share is Nationalism. A global community that doesn't try to make everyone the same, but instead works to preserve cultures and people.
>how to fix?
Required working years after university. Folks get their free education and flee.
>>71903715
It's a bit different when you go to another country to leech of their welfare and when you go there to work, especially if you respect their culture
>>71903667
He's memeing. 0.0000000001% men from the west ever consider moving to eastern Europe, and when they do, it's because some slut from here fell for them.
>>71898714
I don't know, I'm planning to move too. Everyone smart is. Unfortunately, this leaves only the primitives left in the country who vote for the worst possible political party.
>>71903493
Similar to me, just worried about the job market there because I don't have a trade. At least I've still got time to learn something .
>>71903715
>There are many paths you can take in your life. Some of them are easier, some are more ambitious
Dying from hunger in Poland maybe more ambitious to you, but it isn't a path I wanted to take.
> Because they are doing exactly the same thing as you
You mean they are studying, working in administration and taking professional courses further developing their skills like me?
>Even the biggest idiot can learn math and physics when he tries hard enough.
Nope, this is isn't true.
> you weren't born to be a world class musician or a brain surgeon, but you certainly could have learned to play an instrument or been a first contact doctor.
Yes, the world should be composed of doctors and IT technicians and nothing else.
Get a life dziecie Kurwina.
Meanwhile I will enjoy my administrative position for a salary you fuckers work to achieve whole life and fail.
>>71898714
Most people I know that emigrated still visit often and hold on to properties, drop a lot of money to renovate them, even after decades abroad and starting families there.
The allure is less in the pay, and more in the prospect of developing your life and career in an environment where you won't constantly clash with corruption.
>How do 'poorer' countries solve the 'brain drain' problem?
Set up genius sperm banks and import the sperm of geniuses/very smart and talented people.
Sperm is cheap, plentiful, and easy to transport. One ejaculation can impregnate up to 10 women.
>>71903604
>It isn't the same at all
No. But it was an intended effect of the European Communities. If Greece didn't want this, they should have stayed the fuck out of it... Would have probably been better for all of us.
>These Greek brains etc have no way of coming back to their place.
Trust me, we have no way of getting the convoy of caravans that move to France every year back either..
> At your place you can make other tourists come, and even if you can't you have other industries and those people come back to work when holidays end.
Greece has been a lot more popular than the Netherland as a holiday destination, and I really don't think it should be made our problem that Greece apparantly sucks too badly at things to have other industries, than why'd they join a Union of equals that are meant to compete on equal terms?
Maybe they should have gotten a crash-course in high quality olive oil from Tunisians before embarking on this adventure or something..
>For the Greeks imagine this, they have all their people leaving and not coming back after investing money in their education (!). They have no asset left because it was better to manufacture elsewhere thanks to the integration. They only have agriculture, island tourism, and death ahead of them. The few guys making companies crawl under fees because the government doesn't have the means to not make them pay security etc Is this a future? Please.
I strongly believe it is the future they chose, and I feel that it should not be the responsibility of the European Union itself, or any of its Member States to drag Greece up out of the hole it dug for ITSELF. Nobody forced them to join. Nobody forced them to LIE about their financial state as they joined. Nobody forced them to let their public sector bloat up to retarded proportion, employing about 50% of the working population who enjoyed a retirement age of 50. Nobody forced them to vote for lefty shits that threatened to not pay anything back. What should we do?
>>71903995
>Set up genius sperm banks and import the sperm of geniuses/very smart and talented people.
China is doing that.
Just came to say hey to my balt friends
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hey
>>71903784
Good luck trying to push it against already established globalist movement supported by the only superpower left.
>>71904019
You think the people decided to join the EU? Blame the governments not the people, we had a 'no' vote that was over 50% supposedly yet that mattered dick, you can blame the people who actively vote for the politicians that keep fucking their own countries.
>>71903735
At this point we can really only hope for the EU to implode indeed. I feel ashamed. We are the ones who created the EU and I believe it was a good ideas. But there were fucking plans and people didn't go through with it.
The euro was made by saying "ok let' do this then it'll speed up the integration and we can make some federal/democratic status".
But they just stopped here. And didn't go back on the euro. This was so damn stupid. We're now leaving in a world where everyone can only collectively lose instead of improving. Because even the big countries have their share of problems, like losing industries, having to carry the others because obviously they would do badly and the money would be impacted, ... All of this without clear "solidarity" (federal) agreement...
Fuck this shit, really. Politicians are a lost cause and have forgotten what leading and marching forward truly means. What a country is.
>>71903892
>Nope, this is isn't true.
Well, if you have an IQ of 70 it isn't. The more posts you write, the more I'm convinced that is the case.
>Yes, the world should be composed of doctors and IT technicians and nothing else.
These are the positions with biggest demand of the job market. I'm pretty sure you could have been one of the above instead and the world wouldn't burn.
>Meanwhile I will enjoy my administrative position for a salary you fuckers work to achieve whole life and fail.
Have fun. And remember to never come back here, we don't need such whiny useless bitches.
>>71903795
Wouldn't that simply force people to leave the country earlier?
Scenario 1
>kid goes to university
>finishes university
>has dozens of friends and a family
>may or may decide to leave them behind
Scenario 2
>parents know the kid is going to be forced to work after school
>parents decide to take the kid to UK
>kid gets free education in the UK
>goes to work and never goes back to his home country because he doesn't have friends there
>>71898714
desu senpai I'm pretty sure I made up for a few thousand toilet scrubbers leaving Poland when I moved here
>>71904236
>Well, if you have an IQ of 70 it isn't. The more posts you write, the more I'm convinced that is the case.
Yeah, that is why I know three languages, managed to emigrate and found a job in finance industry in a different country.
>. I'm pretty sure you could have been one of the above instead
Yes, it would have been a wonderful idea to try to become a doctor with no natural predisposition, no money and after 4 years of unemployment at 30.
Really wonderful, intelligent idea.
>Have fun. And remember to never come back here, we don't need such whiny useless bitches.
Yeah, I am sure that with people of your caliber and intelligence Poland will prosper.
>>71904101
Of course, it has to be pushed after the current establishment fails, which it will.
The globalist agenda hasn't been pushed for all that long. It will fall just like everything else in history. All countries and all ideologies eventually fail. After they fail the next thing is going to be anti-leftist, and that isn't going to last forever either.
>>71898714
Red = West Europe
Yellow = Central Europe
Green = East Europe
If any Eastern Europeans know programming American firms will pay about $60,000 starting and higher. So yeah just make sure you know c++ Java and the other regular stuff.
You answered your own question and you didn't even realize it OP. "Balkans"
>>71904410
Can confirm too many Poo in Loos I'd rather have Eastern Europeans making good money since they won't smell as bad. Poos also think they know everything and fail so bad sometimes.
>>71904398
>Slovenia
>West Europe
you just went full retard, we're the definition of Central Europe
>>71903715
How is working and paying taxes the same as someone moving to a country just to mooch off welfare?
>>71902529
Poland is a good choice if you bring your own supplies of money. You'd have to be a stupid motherfucker to move here to look for a job. But if you've got your Internetbux, you'll be grand.
>>71904019
It isn't the future they chose. It wasn't sold like that at all. It was said there would be help to manage reconversions and any kind of investment. That investment was abysmally small and useless, I cringe every time people are like "oh shit I invested 1B euro more than you this year, that's it I quit". These amount are ridiculous ! They can create nothing in one year across all these countries ! This is seriously stupid.
>I really don't think it should be made our problem that Greece apparantly sucks too badly at things to have other industries,
Contrarily to you (us) they weren't as wealthy when things started out. With the unique economy this lead to the specialization of countries. It's something very well known in economy read up on it. The richer country get (keep) high level jobs with a lot of additional money generation, the lower ones get low income generation such as agriculture.
What happens when you only generate low income? You have no money to invest in improving your country. This is the vicious circle we collectively live in today. I am well placed to know this as my wife is from eastern country and I have seen the gradual incoming misery with my own eyes. The numbers of course reflect this reality, but seeing it is something else.
>>71904345
>Yeah, that is why I know three languages, managed to emigrate and found a job in finance industry in a different country.
Wow, what an achievement. You managed to buy a plane ticket and send a couple CVs.
What is the third language you know? A couple sentences in German?
>Yes, it would have been a wonderful idea to try to become a doctor with no natural predisposition, no money and after 4 years of unemployment at 30.
I'm not saying you should have done it at 30, I'm saying you should have done it instead of getting a couple useless degrees.
>Yeah, I am sure that with people of your caliber and intelligence Poland will prosper.
It's constantly improving. :^)
>>71904506
Why would anyone from Central Europe want to move to USA?
It's easier to move to UK, Sweden, Germany and Central Europe is safer to live than USA where you can easily get robbed or murdered with a gun.
>>71898714
>'brain drain' problem
it isn't a problem as much as you believe because most people want to stay in their home cunts for their preference of being among their own
successful coping mechanisms are undeclared labour/services and tax evasion
>>71904571
Thing is you can also own a gun and own a mansion where your neighborhood is composed of all rich white people. Sure we got our problems, but you can be open with your opinions and buy whatever you want.
>>71903303
>I have tried to get a job in Poland for 4 years.
haha I remember this dumb faggot. He would insist that life in Poland is actually more expensive than in the UK.
He's a faggot loser, don't listen to him.
>>71904567
>instead of getting a couple useless degrees.
Why are you saying they are useless? They got me a well paid job in UK.
>It's constantly improving. :^)
Almost like Iraqi army was constantly winning :^)
>>71898714
>>71904655
>Thing is you can also own a gun
So you have to spend more money and time to train with gun only to be outgunned by 5 thugs with guns as well.
What's the point?
>a mansion where your neighborhood is composed of all rich white people.
You realize that all of Eastern Europe is practically 99% white?
>>71903493
Which language?
And how much do you earn roughly?
>>71898714
they don't that's why they're in the shitter.
but do not wory overly much. These countries have a longer term play: they don't allow themselves to be flooded with people whose brains have been drained in countries far away and replaced with steaming heaps of shit.
-> people now migrating because of incentives will leave the beneficial countries as soon as conditions are perceived as unbearable.
>>71904733
>He's a faggot loser, don't listen to him.
>He earns more than I do in Poland and lives in a country safe from Russian invasion with higher quality of life
>He is a loser
Enjoy enlisting for Polish National Guard when Ivan decides to do Donbas Version 3.0 in Bialystok.
Maybe you will get a plastic medal like Ukrainians did too.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
Leave planet earth.
>>71904844
You have quite alot of hate for the 2nd amendment right Mohammed? I've been to London it's a shit hole equal to Los Angeles and that's not even half of the shit I've seen while I was there. I've also seen what 250,000 British pounds gets you in the U.K it's absolute shit. This is what my last house somewhat looked like before I sold it. So if you actually believe that you can be gunned down and shot here your quite deluded. California is also the most liberal place so they basically ban guns, stay cucked.
>>71904218
>You think the people decided to join the EU?
They're free to leave at any time. If your government can join, it can also invoke article 50 TEU.
>>71904538
>It isn't the future they chose. It wasn't sold like that at all. It was said there would be help to manage reconversions and any kind of investment. That investment was abysmally small and useless, I cringe every time people are like "oh shit I invested 1B euro more than you this year, that's it I quit". These amount are ridiculous ! They can create nothing in one year across all these countries ! This is seriously stupid.
Kek. Don't lie. They entered the Euro on false terms, because their negotiators and government lied to the EU. Also, they knew full well that there's a 'NO BAILOUTS' clause in the Community treaties.
>Contrarily to you (us) they weren't as wealthy when things started out. With the unique economy this lead to the specialization of countries. It's something very well known in economy read up on it. The richer country get (keep) high level jobs with a lot of additional money generation, the lower ones get low income generation such as agriculture.
Again: In that case they shouldn't have joined a Union on equals. Now they're not just dragging themselves down, but us along with it.
>What happens when you only generate low income? You have no money to invest in improving your country.
Greece fucked themselves. They should have complained 15 years ago when their public sector was as bloated as it was.. They should have complained about their neighbors, doctors and lawyers not paying taxes. They should have complained about the vast widespread corruption and nepotism. They should have complained about public servants getting full pensions at age 55.... Did they? No. They only started complaining, and calling all the Member States with money dirty fucking nazis that wouldn't support poor Greeks. And now they're surprised nobody wants to help them? Fuck em.
>>71898714
Over here, more and more people say fuck western europe. my GF always wanted to go to Germany and settle down over there, now she's getting more reluctant seeing the new development. Now I'm thinking about moving east rather than west. Or staying settled.
The rapefugees have basically frozen the brains in place, now. And that's how it solved itself.
>>71904785
>>71904954
You seem butthurt desu
>>71904844
>So you have to spend more money and time to train with gun only to be outgunned by 5 thugs with guns as well.
>What's the point?
You wouldn't live in Britain, for one...
The only reason I'm staying is because I work for a western company for a western salary.
Otherwise most go for the money, you can buy a house at home after a couple of years, would be impossible with a local salary.
I one room flat in Budapest is like $55.000. Minimum wage is around $3000 a year. Average salary is around $7500 a year after taxes. You have no chance to buy a house unless you or your parents already have one.
Travel and living like most studends in the West live is a luxury here for most. And that's the sad thing. These 20 somethings come here for a weekend and they don't know how good they have it, they're clueless, naive and also you can feel they look down on you for not being as lucky as they are. Their attitude explains why the West is such a shithole even if they have money. You can be a shithole even if you're rich, because most shit is in your heads.
Do not come to Eastern Europe if you think you're better than us, because that's just a delusion. Most people from the West are degenerates and bring their descructive ideologies like feminism, egalitarian and progressivism with them even if they cant help it because they were brainwashed from an early age.
I see all these guys and girls looking exactly like their American counterparts. There is no identity there, its all the same mish-mash hipster faggotry shit now.
In this day and age if you want to find sincere and pure people good luck, you're gonna need it. Maybe in villages and shit, but its more of a generational problem thus most are affected.
I personally hate Westerners because they endanger us all. And make no mistake, its not the immigrants fault, its not the refugees fault, its not the niggers fault, its their fault and theirs only.
Just like its our fault that we're a corrupt shithole.
In the end it's all fucking depressing.
>>71904844
Yeah dude I just bought this and I own a single resident home.
>>71904944
it'll be interesting to see. I think it's possible that a lot of emigrants return, but that won't be enough to ease the demographic situation, which is dire in eastern europe (just like here, but as you said, without the immigration).
maybe western europeans will start moving east, tired of paying for immigrants welfare, but I doubt it, the language barrier etc-
>>71905000
>that comment section about KANGZ
[Desire to purge intensifies]
>>71898714
git gud with free trade agreements. This idea of "selling your country" is false. China, Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore all got better because of free trade agreements. Mexico are the prime beneficiaries of NAFTA and ultimately NAFTA will end Latino migration the the USA once Mexico is a good country to live in. Meicans and Latinos friendly to Mexicans will gladly leave the USA for Mexicos if the opportunities there are just as good.
>>71905309
>I'm so rich I bought the deluxe version of the most pebby peoples car in the world
Kek. Fag.
>>71898714
With the increase of social media and all the connection crap, i believe that might be if not the main issue then a part of it.
Sure you get to be connected with your friends and pseudo-friends, but it is all superficial and many people tend to only form superficial ties with people.
(the following is a retelling from a relative of mine who works as a chauffer for the defence minister)
There has been talk of mandatory military service renewal here. I do not remember the entirety of it, but the general gist of it was to model it in some ways after some of the western models:
-serve 1-2 years
-get your living expenses covered during + get some pay
-once done, state pays for X% of your study fees
-you stay as reservist
One of the original reasons for this was to increase overall nationalism and induce greater patriotism into the youth.
Say what you want about america, but you cannot accuse them for a lack of patriotism
>>71905254
I had no idea you had it that bad attilabro
it's the same situ here wrt owning a home if you don't want to live in the sticks
>>71905352
>Mexico are the prime beneficiaries of NAFTA
Bullshit. NAFTA was, and still is, highly detrimental to Mexican society.
>>71905374
The mustang is an okay car I prefer the Skyline GTR or the R34. R34's are illegal , I absolutely hate European cars too gay for me.
>>71905320
Nobody is moving back to Serbia from Germany, it's a myth. I want to move to Germany and to stay there, get a citizenship.
>>71905098
>ve been to London it's a shit hole equal to Los Angeles and that's not even half of the shit I've seen while I was there
London is safer than EVERY city in USA above one million people when it comes to homicides and gun crime.
>>71898714
>How do 'poorer' countries solve the 'brain drain' problem?
"poor" country is usually synonymous with "socialist" country which is exactly fucking why smart people do not want to live there.
Free markets are almost always preferable to smart (and more importantly competent) people relative to socialist societies.
>>71905496
how about pensioners?
their children stay tho
>>71905309
Just try not getting shot, remember to avoid the ghettos and buy your medical insurance once you pay of mortgage and credit card loans :^)
>>71904509
you was and still is Austrias clay . Austria is west Europe so don't whine
>>71905511
>Crime in London, as in other places, is very hard to measure. Police figures generally understate crime substantially and can be extremely misleading. Accordingly, recorded crime statistics need to be treated with great caution and have sometimes been shown to show opposite trends to victim surveys or to violence as measured by hospital intake.[1]
Mkay.
Start having so many intellectuals that they no longer feel they have to leave for more verdant pastures.
They leave their countries because they're diamonds in the rough. The west delivers them gladly for you shithole and laps up that delicious progress.
>>71905480
>I absolutely hate European cars too gay for me.
That's hilarious, anon.
>>71905640
m8, I hate to say this to my fellow countryman trying to bring the bantz, but we're not in a better position
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/matt-barrie-australian-brain-drain-is-now-in-full-force-and-nobody-wants-to-come-here-2015-9
there is no brain drain to the :"west". there is only brain drain to the US from everywhere else
>>71898714
>dat 100% aryan cutie.
You have good taste OP
>>71905511
>>71905608
Yeah because if you get shot in the U.S.A your probably a dumbass for being in a shitty neighborhood. I guess the Caliphate is triggered. London is shit and Los Angeles is just as shit. I buy and sell stocks and do freelance programming so stay cucked. I have private insurance and have $50,000 in the bank just waiting so I guess credit cards will never apply to me poorfag. If I had to pick between the United Caliphate, Germanistan, or Swedenistan I would pick the latter of the two. Also I'll continue enjoying my 2nd amendment right.
>>71905428
My bad. Then NAFTA was done poorly. If It allowed for American corporations to build facilities in Mexico it would have been a different story. I still strongly believe that richer foreign countries building production facilities in poorer regions, benefiting from lower wages will bring more economic balance.
>>71905511
The Netherlands is safer as Britain, even though our gun laws are not full retard and we have massive amounts of old Soviet guns on the steets being traded and used relatively frequently by gangs. Britain is a shithole that has shitty laws on self defense, shitty gun laws, and an unarmed police force, all of which Brits tend to pride themselves in.... But you've got fuck all to show for it. Britain is literally more unsafe than this country, and pic related happens in this country.
>>71898714
nationalism.
>>71905567
Some, but for example they go back to Germany to collect pensions because of they stay in Serbia they get only half of it.
>>71905752
>hooked nose
>100% aryan cutie
Hello Abdul, welcome to Europe.
>>71905496
Maybe in the future, thats what I meant.
I also think Poland, Czech Republic, Baltics are in a different situation than the Balkans. (much more economic development, much less corruption).
If you speak german and have a useful degree or training I'm sure you could find a job.
>>71905793
Unfortunately, there has not been a single incident, in which a free-trade agreement with the US actually proved beneficial for the non-US partner (with the possible exception of Canada). They always come out on top.
Singapore is different, as they're small enough to leech of Malaysia etc.
The main reason for brain drain are is a lack of career prospects, not just the bare pay. Brain drain is even an issue in countries like Austria, even though they're pretty rich. If you don't establish proper career routes for academics and other highly skilled people, they'll end up in the US, where they are treated well.
>>71905846
There's more then enough nationalism going around in Eastern Europe, especially in Poland and the balkans, yet people still leave. Despite loving their country, people feel like there's no future for them there, especially when they see what kind of money they could be earning in the west.
>>71905954
call me hans you mudshit
>>71898714
This is a well known problem that's easily fixable in Poland.
The government just doesn't give a shit.
All you need to do is increase wages for highly educated people to levels equal to the western ones.
Cancel the luxury tax bye bye brain drain democracy 3 is easy as fuck
>>71898714
When your economy collapse under welfare state and one bong dollar will cost just as much as onion dollar if not less they will come back but then many of them will be refused because plenty of them gave up their original citizenship. So yeah it's win win anyway.
>>71906168
You cant really do that, that'd wreck the economy.
>>71905762
>r probably a dumbass for being in a shitty neighborhood
I like the fact that in USA you always have to be on a watch not to step into some area where you can be murdered.
Almost like living in a prison....
>>71906302
Same thing for the Caliphate have fun getting stabbed and converted to Islam.
>>71906272
No it wouldn't, there's only so many highly educated people.
This can be easily accomplished by either lowering taxes so employers can offer higher wages, or outright subsidizing by the government.
>>71905934
>if they stay in Serbia they get only half of it
how is that possible? pensions tied to tax residency seems discriminatory af
still, if the condition for tax residency in DE is anything like SI, they have to stay 183+ days per year in DE to keep it, leaving them with 182 days to live as kebab removers among kebab removers
>>71906009
>Unfortunately, there has not been a single incident, in which a free-trade agreement with the US actually proved beneficial for the non-US partner
I looked it up and some sources say that NAFTA improved the middle class of Mexico. I do not know if the lower class stayed stagnant though.
>The main reason for brain drain are is a lack of career prospects
Which is what foreign investment can bring. If Google could comfortably set up an office in a foreign country and pay their workers there 80% to what they would if them brought them to the USA by sponsoring a working visa, they would.
Additionally higher skilled workers can benefit from a middle class who have money to spend since it is a stronger local market of entrepreneurs to pilot their innovations.
>>71906168
>All you need to do is increase wages for highly educated people to levels equal to the western ones.
There are no jobs in Poland.
>>71900006
>I can't get a gf because they want Western men
Ne mozes da nadjes devojku zato sto si debela, masna, bubuljicava neetara koja iz kuce ne izlazi i nema nikakvog dodira sa spoljasnjim svetom.
Sredi svoj zivot.
>>71906230
>s they will come back but then many of them will be refused because plenty of them gave up their original citizenship
Kurwin daydreams again? Show me statistics...nobody gives up citizenship....
>>71905980
I have a Bachelor of applied science in Electrical engineering (renewable energy) and I'm waiting on Masters, but I don't speak German and can't get a job in Germany.
>>71905191
>>71904019
>>71903273
The salt is fucking real. How many times you got cuked by Greeks, my dude weed lmao friend?
>Greeks took the loans it's their fault wah wah waaaaaaaaaaah
>What do you mean that creditors should conduct risk assessments? Creditors should have no reprecussions on poor descisions!
Kek, maybe you should stop blazing it, faggot
Croatia Bros.
Lican here. Expat.
How hard would it be for me to go back and find a good wife to bring back to Canada?
>>71898714
Stay white, that's literally all Eastern Europe has to do. The flows will reverse eventually if they do this.
In the mean time going to western Europe and making money makes sense, some type of global economy will probably remain even after western Europe collapses.
>>71906366
Western companies who I assume employ most of those educated people would leave immediately.
Lowering taxes is a good idea but I assume your income tax is already low, and most of the "taxes" go for social security and pension like everywhere in V4.
>>71906754
>The flows will reverse eventually if they do this.
They won't. I visit Poland every year, and it is turning to worse.Ruined buildings, desperate people and now we have Ukrainian refugees.
>>71906781
>but I assume your income tax is already low
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
40% of our income gets nigged by government.
>>71906687
Learning German should be easier than getting an EE degree. You can learn a good level of German in 6 months if you study 3-4 hours every day. The question is how committed you're.
Many go to Germany and dont even give a fuck, you can perfectly function with just English knowledge too, finding work is a different matter though.
>>71900006
Only thing you are right about is salary...and Belgrade thing
I never had problem getting gf and never heard of that western man bullshit.
I got job even before I finished university, first company went under and found another job in 2 months time. No nepotism or political affiliation included
>>71906687
Apply for a job in American firms in your home country there should be a couple.
>>71906585
Puši ga govno gastarbajtersko, nije tako jednostavno. Izađi da glasaš na izborima.
>>71906617
Libtards does because muh xenophobic shithole, I personally know few of these special snowflakes that why I said it's win win situation and while on global scale it might not be much it's good enough for me.
Literally no discussion of the OP topic, which is actually interesting this time.
Only way to combat brain drain is for living standards to become equal in the countries being drained. This is almost impossible with the current system.
>>71906727
Just pay back m8. You'll be alright if you just pay back...
>>71903303
>can be in a country where people treat me better than fellow Poles and I can find job in a week?
I just took a big shit and dirtied the toilet. Get on with cleaning it.
>>71906889
Zalis se na ZAPADNJAKE zato sto ne mozes da nadjes curu. U Australiji srpkinje u 98% slucajeva idu sa Srbima, ako ne onda su to Grci, Rusi, Poljaci itd tako da nemoj da jedes govna.
>gastarbajter
Ovde mi je porodica zato sam i ja tu
>izbori
Nema veze sa temom, jedini izbori na koje cu ja da glasam su oni gde se politicari streljaju na ulicama
>>71898714
If I am not mistaken we no longer suffer from braindran. So I guess it was solved through higher wages, investments to research and influx of foreigners.
>>71906835
You're acting like it's some long term problem ...
If Western Europe doesn't abandon the Geneva Convention on Refugees and International/European Human Rights laws within a couple years we are fucked.
>>71906858
It's not cheap to learn German here and I dont work. Only with English was possible before, but now thanks to "refugees" it's not.
>>71906862
Da niko nikad nije imao problem da nađe devojku, a vamo svi sami, svakoj kojoj priđem kaže ne i to je to. Ja govorim za Energetiku, bukvalno ti je 7. pitanje na aplikaciji za posao da li imate nekog od rodbine u firmi?
>>71906879
There aren't any for electrical engineering, IT yes. If I want to move to USA or any other English speaking country I need minimum 1 year of experience in my field. Only way to get that is to pay to get a job.
>>71900216
stop posting inbred gypsies pls
>>71907227
>it's not real
thank god, my screen was about to fly out the window
>inbred gypsies
>says romania
>>71907193
Ne žalim se na Zapadnjake, nego kažem kako jeste. Ovde jedino Ruskinje hoće sa nama.
Zbog takvih kao ti što ne izlaze na izbore ili precrtaju papir nam je i ovako kako jeste. Sve to ide strankama koje pređu cenzus, ali šta te boli kurac, bitno je da si u Australiji.
>>71903147
The fuck are you talking about?
>>71907307
Romania dude, sorry the janitor closed the thread, I had the recipe right next to me.
>>71907207
Not a couple years m8. Empires or strong entities are long to crumble it would take a generation or two. Except if there's an islamic chimpout and they somehow take control inbetween.
Meanwhile, eastern europe would lose many youth because of their suicidal birthrate. It would be tough for them too.
>>71907059
I discussed it earlier with some eastern guys and that one egoistical Netherlander. If you have anything to discuss or add feel free to.
>>71904538
>>71904223
>>71903604
>>71903374
>>71902958
>>71902670
And related.
>>71907283
Dude, you can learn any language by yourself for free. IIRC /int/ had a sticky with resources.
>>71907531
>egoistical Netherlander
>'Why won't you give more freebies to the poor people that ruined their own shit entirely, anon? So selfish!1'
Ehehehe knicca pls.
>>71907527
What thread? This is my 2nd post today. I think you mistaken me for someone else
>>71907283
Ja devojku imam vec 4 godine, pre toga imao nekoliko veza...a ne smatram sebe nekom velikom lepotom. Ja sam do prvog poslao dosao preko prakse. Cimao se oko neke firme isao na praksu dva puta i dobio posao. Kad je ta firma pukla profa sa faksa me preporucio gde sad radim, otisao na intervju i isti dan poceo da radim.
Jbg ne znam kako stravi stoje u energetici
>>71907573
It's not freebies, it's compensation. It's simply about looking at each other as equal. It's egoistical to think our countries can grab so many brains and make them stay here while not helping to improve their life and the prospects back home (which are in the same union as us, so basically more than bros).
That's all.
>>71907606
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/71904978/
No time for love
>>71907541
Thanks, I will look at this. Do you follow elections in Serbia today? We have so many Russian parties as "minoroties".
>>71907616
U Energetici sam preko koleginice dobio "praksu" koja je zvanično trajala 20 radnih dana, a bio sam 3. Neće da čitaju CV već te odmah pitaju da li imaš nekog, ako ne onda ideš u arhivu.
>>71903296
> The only defense to Brain Drain is nationalism, if you're patriotic, you wont want to leave your home land.
Which is where the EU and Muslims come in, destroy the culture of Western Europe while providing America as an emigration target. The current situation is designed to make Western Europe will fall.
Eastern Europe might be able to pick up the whites who don't make the cut for the US, Canada and Australia.
>>71907531
Strong empires didn't have welfare systems which could bankrupt their nations within a couple of years. Or fantasies that immigrants should be treated equal with citizens and be allowed to destroy their education.
Everything goes much faster in the this age.
>>71905254
Fucking this, the attitude of the west and westerners in general is maddening. I can't stand those hipster know it all cunts that seem to populate my generation.
>>71907752
Ima li sta u privatnom sektoru?
>>71898714
>How do 'poorer' countries solve the 'brain drain' problem?
Nationalism, it's literally the only way.
>>71907752
there's an EU-wide initiative to achieve 20% share of renewables in electricity generation by 2020 but that started years ago so you may have missed the boat
try applying for private companies that deal with such development and participate in public bids, you can forget about state enterprises as you have already found out, you need someone already in there to shill for your employment
>>71907447
To sto ti kazes uopste nije tacno, svakako da ces naci sponzoruse i kalasture kao i u svakoj zemlji na svetu posebno u Beogradu ali one nisu norma niti trebas da ih tako vidis. To je otpad drustve koji je opsteprisutan gde god otisao.
Nasa politicka scena je takva da iskreno nema potrebe glasati posto su rezultati isti. Secas li se "sablje naprednjaka" i to kako su navodno unistavali korupciju u zemlji, kako su pricali da kosovo nikad nece priznati, da ne zeli u EU, da ce stati uz Rusiju itd. Vrlo brzo su se okrenuli i postali Tadic 2.0
U Srbiji samo apsolutna vojna diktatura bajo moj, kada se trenutna vojska procisti i opet uvede mobilizacija i obaveza da se sluzi sa puskom.
>>71908054
Ne, u Srbiji postoji oko 35 firmi koje se bave obnovljivim izvorima i od toga samo 4 su aktivne, druge postoje samo na papiru. Ostatak firmi koji se ne bave obnovljivim su ti isključivo "Inženjer prodaje" i ništa više.
>>71907983
They had welfare systems lol. It was the church. In the middle age and earlier they acted as social security (healed people for free), gave out food for free to the poors, etc. This is on top of being some kind of research center at the time and other freebies. This was achieved with about 17% taxation max for the average french farmer.
I agree we are overbloated but it's mostly with the bureaucratic force, not the welfare systems themselves.
Also, we live in a world full of debt because money *is* fucking debt anyway. The most of us will keep borrowing without too much trouble for a couple decades still.
>>71907695
>compensation
For them being shit?
>egoistical to think our countries can grab so many brains
>and make them stay
What the fuck are you on about anon? Are you implying Greeks have no free choice? Are you implying we snatch them off the streets of Athens, lock them up in institutions for higher learning (which are subsidised by our national governments and thus taxpayers btw) and then simply don't let them go again?
Knicca plssssss
>>71908281
Being shit ? They form them and pay all their education only for them to come here. And no their education isn't bullshit, the greeks for example are really good at maths and stuff so it's a huge addition for us. And no the Greeks don't have free choice because of what I explained earlier, they simply have no prospects and it makes sense economically, it's akin to fate with the current situation.
Please there is no reason to not at least pay back the cost of those people's education since day 1. And that's if we're looking at a 0 sum balance.
You're the one being retarded here anon.
>>71908136
I know about that program, we did a detailed analisis in Collage.
Private sector is pretty dead over here in Electrical engineering.
>>71908145
Slažem se za diktaturu, nismo mi za demokratiju. Ja sam završio za Energetiku (srednja i vosoka) gde je velika većina muškarci i svi smo imali isto iskustvo vezano za devojke/žene, najverovatnije smo mi krivi po tebi.
>>71903493
You can't be serious senpai.
Good news:
>Salary in IT is pretty good
Bad news:
>We have too many IT guys here, you must be really good to get a job in IT sector.
>500 euro to the hand is considered here pretty good salary
>Polish is language that only natives can speak properly and i doubt if 50% poles know how to correctly write all words, so you will probably never be able to use Polish without being an object of laughs
>we are pretty homogenous, so there is high chance that some skinhead fags will beat your ass only because you're not native
>life here is hard, that's why we don't have much "nancy boys". Hard means really hard.
>>71908526
>Hard means really hard.
top kek you are all a bunch of faggots
Lol London.
Enjoy paying £1000 for a fucking bed.
Kill Schengen
there
>>71906727
We should have let you default in 2010, taking over your debt was the dumbest thing to do.
>>71908851
It won't change anything, we are still coming.
>>71908490
>They form them and pay all their education only for them to come here
Explain all the Greeks at my uni, if the get 'all' of their education there..
>And no the Greeks don't have free choice because of what I explained earlier, they simply have no prospects and it makes sense economically, it's akin to fate with the current situation.
That's literally the way the EU is supposed to work though. It allowes people, capital, goods etc to flow to the places where it can be most profitable or utilitarian. If Greeks didn't want that, they should not have joined.
>Please there is no reason to not at least pay back the cost of those people's education since day 1. And that's if we're looking at a 0 sum balance.
Does that mean that all of those Greeks at my uni should paying full price (€10.000,-/year) rather than the subsidised standard-sum for EU and NL citizens (€1800/year)?
You either have a Union with free movement of persons, labour, goods and services or you don't, anon.
>>71908872
No fucking shit, Sherlock. When you northerners understand what Germany did to you you will ragequit the EU in no time.
>in 2010 the debt was mostly private
>since 2012 the debt is nationalized
So effectively, instead of bankers taking the loss because of their corruption (cause not kid ourselves, it wasn't poor risk assessment) you got the burden of debt that was never yours to begin with. And that's why they won't leave us to default
>>71909322
I know, it is close to evil what they did.
>>71908851
It will only mean I have to show passport at the border.
>>71909322
>in 2010 it would have been in Greece's interest to crash the Eurozone with no survivors
>since 2012 they have some serious incentive to pay denbts
>>71909514
Doesn't it also include permit to work and live there? Or something like that.
>>71909457
>close
kek
>>71909549
>if we crashed in 2010 we would take the kike bankers with us
>IF EU lets us crush today we take your tax-euros with us
so, which one sounds actually better?
>>71909824
>so, which one sounds actually better?
The one where you are forced to at least do the minimum effort that can be required of you. Also, the crisis has stabilised now.. If Greece crashes now, denbts won't be payed, but the Euro will not be crashed either. It's become a calculated risk now, wheras initially you could (and likely would) have crashed the Euro without survivors had you been able to..
>>71910236
Newsflash: we should never be under IMF in the first place, our debt was sustainable back then, now its triple the amount. That traitor Papandreou (who is a fucking kike matrilinealy) made it all happen. And some faggots along with him made a fucking fortune on our backs.
If we crashed back then, eurozone wouldn't crash, but it would seriously fuck most of the banks. And why would this be a good thing? Because a) there would be measures limiting bankers, whereas they got a fucking free-pass and billions of euros of bonuses b) all of europe would have recovered by now and c) you wouldn't have rapefugees roaming in your country
So, what's the better deal?
>>71909799
>Doesn't it also include permit to work and live there? Or something like that
Nope. Schengen is just passport-free travel.
UK isn't part of Schengen and that is why I have to show passport at the border.
I can still live and work in UK.
