ASK ME ANYTHING. I REPLY WITH HONESTY.
fuck off
>>71895656
How many buildings did you blow up?
>moderate muslim
Kek the shitposting has been unreal tonight.
>>71895656
How many camels and goats did you fuck?
>>71895656
>moderate
Does that mean you're moderately devout? Why would your opinion matter? You're basically a fake.
>>71895656
someone insults your prophet, what should be done with that person.
>Let's see how moderate you really are
>>71895656
why havnt you given up islam all together?
>>71895656
How many Canadians have you cucked?
>>71895794
No, it means while he supports the radicals he is too much of a coward to participate in their activities.
But he still wants to be treated nicely.
>>71895656
what does it mean to be "moderate" does it mean you don't follow all the teachings of Islam? Why is that? Are the teachings of Islam archaic and barbaric?
>>71895656
Shouldn't you be busy running the country Mr. Trudeau?
>le moderate meme
>>71895656
No such thing as a moderate Muslim. You're just a Shitty Muslim.
That being said, all Muslims can die. Your people are fucked. Your religion is fucked. Everything you are is incompatible with the west and you and your family need to leave before krystillnacht #2 Muslims get bro buggaloo.
>>71895810
thannkyou for axing question.Unlike some people ** cough cough. We would go to their house and blow them up. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. All jokes aside I would talk to them and make them realize the true of prophet muhammad (pbuh).
>>71895656
Brother, don't bother, your good gesture is in vain.
You can't talk with the European animals on this board, they think being white European is a superior trait and everyone else has to be killed. This insecurity is all their is on in their mind and they act on it viciously like animals.
>>71896032
>they think being Muslim is a superior trait and everyone else has to be killed.
How are you any different?
Do you seriously bust nuts with your friends at the mosque senpai, I heard thats what being a muslim was all about, I'm down bro. It's cool
>>71895976
what if a non radical muslim decides to kill that person after you failed to convince him.
How do you react?
Who speaks for your religion?(the boss) Who decides what the rules are? What is the worst thing about your religion? The best? Why do muslims want to leave muslim countries? Where will you stand when islam goes to far?
>>71896032
this reasoning is why people want you gone.
There is no such thing as a "moderate" muslim.
The degenerate white race deserves sharia cleansing
>>71896408
The poo needs looing
That was quick
>>71896032
Not everyone else.
Literally just Muslims.
and 99% of blacks.
and 100% of gypsies.
and leftist jewish diaspora.
That's it though.
We're a very loving people.
>>71896032
Hey when you stop fucking goats and marrying your cousins you can talk shit
>>71895976
What if a Canadian posts this picture and then tells you to die in a fire.
List the following in order you see yourself. Country you were born, religion, country you stay in now if different, continent your country is in.
What is more important to you, the laws of Islam or the laws of your country?
Would your country be a better place if there were more Islamists in government?
What do you believe should be the penalty for apostasy?
Alright, do you seriously believe that Muhammed did nothing wrong? He was a lying, caravan-robbing, genocidal kiddy fiddler. That's my main problem with Islam.
Why? Why waste your life on a stupid religion that forces you to not eat for a month?
>>71896408
Pajeet, my son...
>>71896032
Your people have been killing each other for thousands of years over arbitrary bullshit and you brought your wars to our very doorsteps. If you cunts simply shut the fuck up, didn't cause trouble and respected the law of the land, no one would care about you.
But no, you can't do that. You act exactly the same way you did which made your shit hole countries the awful places they are today, even though you've gone to painstaking efforts to move to places where things such as honour killings and stonings don't happen. Then when people get upset with your fucked up religion and the terrible acts your people commit, you act as if you're the victim.
A country is a summary of its people's ideals and efforts, Abdul. Considering the blatant savagery which regularly happens all over the Middle East, what does that say about your people?
>>71895656
Shalom Aleichem.
Did you really expect to draw anything to flames and trolls?
Do you fuck goats?
>>71895976
do you believe in flying horses? do you believe a man can split the moon in two? if yes, why don't you believe in santa claus? if not, why are you still a muslim?
>inb4 no reply
>>71895656
>moderate muslim
so you only have a moderate amount of explosives strapped to your chest?
did muslims invented skullcaps to hide bald spots?
Has OP abandoned us?
>>71900553
Couldn't handle the bantz.
>>71899962
Fucking keks from Moldova
>>71900553
no, switched computers senpai shoot ur questions
>>71897729
laws of country more important. country needs to strict immigration policies not to let every tom dick n harry run amok
>>71901019
How do you feel about sharia and to what extent if any should it be applied to non islamic governments
>>71895656
What's your opinion on the English Civil War?
>>71901246
Looking to set up a new form of Government Germany?
>>71895976
>make them realize
So what do you do if i decide not too believe in your imaginary best friend and his pedophile warlord buddy?
>>71901278
inshallah sharia will cure our degeneracy
>>71899316
the tipping sound is too heavy for my ears
>>71901019
Why do so many Muslim's have incestuous children?
>>71895656
Why is Islam the only religion that can be qualified with "moderate"?
I've never heard anyone say:
>I'm a moderate Christian
>I'm a moderate Jew.
>I'm a moderate Buddhist.
etc
>>71896408
That's not a question.
>>71901320
Sorry Hans this is way to ingrained and won't go away.
>>71901334
Because Muslims are the only ones who regually blow themselves up in crowds.
Them extremist Buddhists mate.
>>71899316
Islamic philosophy dictates all unnatural events are miracle of god. having faith in unseen is integral part of islamic belief core
>>71899062
there are jewish & wahabi shills trying to power play in the middle east causing unbalance. its more complicated than it is on the surface. however, any one who attacks west in the name of islam should be burned at the stake imo. no compromises here.
>>71901369
>>71901334
because le moderate muslim meme was invented by neocons to spread hate and divide the population.
pol has fallen for this meme long ago
>>71901246
it has no place in the west.
>>71901325
arranged marriages. false pretense for thinking stronger family ties. actually causes more harm than good
>>71901334
religion is seen as portrayed by its followers.
>>71901535
>it has no place in the west.
Is the Quran perfect?
>>71901405
Why does your community push Islamic values into countries you immigrate to?
>>71895656
>MODERATE
heh fuckoff sandkike
>>71901593
its textual consistency has been same from the time of its inception.
>>71901653
im against that, those kind of people shouldnt be allowed to immigrate. imo, western values (esp freedom of speech) are progressive values
>>71895656
>>71901716
It appears as if you have a disdain for many social and cultural factors of the Islamic world, but not so much the spiritual factors, May I ask what draws you to Islam as opposed to say, becoming a Jew or a catholic? Especially in a western nation it would certainly help you fit in
why dont u live in REAL muslim country like turkey rather than kuffar country with full of harams ?
>>71901716
>its textual consistency has been same from the time of its inception.
that is not an answer. Is the Quran perfect? If it is the law prescribed to us by Allah swt must surely be perfect for any nation inhabited by the ummah
>>71901847
i believe in a monotheistic god, so catholicism is out of the question. dont wanna be a jew shill and i was a wahabbi shill but the errors of their ways made me non wahabbi and i became a non practicing sufi
>>71901935
shariah is outdated needs to revamped thoroughly for current times
>>71901773
Please speak out against it. Westerners who speak out are terribly ostracized for it, but people will really think if you are the one criticizing it... It is not just for western people's future, but for you too. I am afraid that the Germany's, France's, and to a lesser extent Canada, of the world will devolve into the hotbed of problems seen in Muslim nations the further islamicized they become...
>>71902082
i agree, and i do speak out on it. unfortunately, most people arent as based as i am
>>71902069
>shariah is outdated needs to revamped thoroughly for current times
>shariah is outdated
you are at best a troll at worst an apostate
>hey ahmed....islam constantly claims to be a religion of peace....then why are muslims so easily triggered?
>>71902188
>t.mehmet
dont tell me that saudi led wahabi shariah is the only version out there u cuck
for example, homosexuality is considered a sin but does not warrant the same punishment as infidelity. it is seen somewhere inbetween having sex and infidelity therefore warrants punishment in lashes and fasting
>>71895656
Why do "moderates" go absolutely crazy because of cartoons but not even 1% of that Muslim outrage is aimed at when massmurder and terrorist attacks happen in the west.. contrary we have news from Brussels that "moderates" danced when the news of the attack was announced. Yeah explain that.
>>71902580
no body should be intimidated by free speech. my advice is to keep on doing it until they become immune to it
>>71895656
What makes you a moderate?
What makes you a muslim?
Why are you a muslim?
Why is islam so shit in Europe?
Be a good boy,
Make a picture with you holding up a sign saying
> 'Islam will destroy the European race'
This way we can start a fire
>>71902035
You do realize the holy trinity is all the same guy.
I mean you don't get your panties in a twist that Mohammed is the messenger of god (giving TWO people of importance in your religion god and his prophet) while in Catholicism Jesus, Hod and the Holy Spirit are the same thing just like a car, a ford and a transportation vehicle can be the same thing.
So explain how you supposedly want to be monotheist but you choose a not that much monotheistic religion (as it deosnt say in the Koran Mohammed is god) and you revere Mohammed for his perfect way therefor 'worshipping' mohammed the holy prophet AND god. All the while Christianity just has ONE person, God expressed as the holy spirit, jesus and god in sky.
I mean i know were discussing fairy tales but seeing were accepting what these religions say as truth for sake of argument Catholicism is more monotheistic the Islam.
So explain how you can worship 2 entities while Christian only worship 1 and somehow call yourself more monotheistic then Christian folks, what mental gymnastics are you trying to play here
>>71895656
How did you come to worship Islam, and why do you continue to?
Genuinely curious.
>>71902856
reading history, geopolitics are formation of post 9/11 wahabbism
belief in one god
cause believe in cause & effect
cause u folks now give any tom dick n harry visas to immigrate. in the old days, you'd be a professor to get to immigrate
>>71902871
will prolly be expelled from uni. but i have put posters up before that got me in trouble
>>71903074
>belief in one god
Not exclusive to islam
>Cause believe in cause & effect
How does this lead to islam?
>cause u folks now give any tom dick n harry visas to immigrate
Doesn't expain why islam is shit. It explains why Europe is shit.
>>71901334
I've got moderate Christian mates. They do housework on Sundays, wear clothes with blends of different materials and fuck before marriage. Fuck Islam, though.
>>71895656
How do you reconsile sahih al bukhari having 288 narrations calling for being a mujahid and saying it's the highest reward and no better deed than participating in jihad for the cause of allah and being very clear that jihad means warfare?
http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85-.html
How do you reconsile that the qu'ran says in 3 different parts not to take christians and jews for friends or allah won't want antyhing to do with them? With muslims pretending to be friendly with christians and jews?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/friends-with-jews-christians.aspx
Also please do yourself a favour as a muslim and check out these videos that destroys the muslim arguments for mohammad, their attacks on the trinity, their objections to the bible and their arguments for mohammad..
Not even your sheikhs and imams know what to reply to these rebuttals IN THE VIDEOS except to skirt around them..
You've been taught as a muslim that these arguments can't be refuted and thus therefore the qu'ran sira and hadiths is the truth, well here they are the arguments refuted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySdPdLRxtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmtNqJ5wC2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW4EpLAk3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPFCR4MfqM
And as a little bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijuMRAsanNk
>>71903011
isnt catholicism that jesus that is a god, is also a son of god conceived by mother of god, mary? so wouldnt that mean Mary is also god, along with the Father in heaven and Jesus (becomes nonsensical)? How do you partition god into three while theyre being one and the same? Muhammad isnt perfect, but his judgement and observations are god gifted and are made to believe as being always right. there are certain philosophical arguments you can make to show muhammad isnt god, for example, muhammad died, muhammad didnt take life away, he couldnt alter the path of stars & such, he couldnt give inanimate objects life etc...same argument is applicable to jesus. theyre both role models
>>71902580
I can answer this one:
Because every Muslim is an extremist.
There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Thanks to things like Taqiyya, every Muslim pretends to moderate until it's time to suddenly not be moderate.
Every Muslim is a sleeper agent, waiting for the right words to be said, then suddenly they become violent heathens looking to destroy all non-believers, as the Koran says for them to.
>>71903200
cause and effect leads to belief in one god
>>71903228
fuck before marriage? thats not very christian like, therefore, you could argue theyre not christian at all
>>71903554
How does that thought process even work? Can't you see how ridiculous that is? It makes you look like an incredible gullible fool who can't think for himself, so he just goes for the easy answer the imam says is written in some book.
>>71898835
Coming from a jew?
??????????????????
>>71903762
ur a fukin idiot. all events taking place in this universe are cause & effect, same is applicable to the start of the universe. if things didnt work with cause&effect, theyd be randomly popping anywhere to everywhere (and that could explain the creation of this universe, but things dont pop out of thin fucking air, therefore they are caused). That is why, the origin of this universe is cause by something uninhibited by time and space.
>this dumb nigga
>>71903025
i observe the spirituality of it as an individual but not the collective mentality of it
>>71903998
Nice resorting to insults. But still your argument is:
>I don't know how this compicated cosmic process of being and not being works and how it all came to be if it ever did, so the answer is probably is this particular book about a god, and all the others are wrong and I am better because my imam says so. And if say otherwise the books says how I must be killed.
You can do better I hope, or you're a poor troll, or really bad at explaining why islam is so kickass.
>>71904297
kek ok there ahmad. dont be so salty. why dont u refute my argument that this universe isnt cause and effect
>>71904430
Never said it wasn't. You have not explained how this leads to a fairy tale god from a 1500 year old book. Plus my other questions weren't answered very well either but whatever.
>>71904637
it doesnt lead necessarily to an islamic god, but points to a creator of this universe. there is a difference b/w the two
>>71895656
allah is the same god as the Christian god, right?
The quran being a sequel to the Bible...
In the bible god is omnipotent and everywhere. So why does allah, who is the same god, suddenly need a wifi-cube in the desert to hear you?
Do you condemn hamas?
>>71904728
It doens't necessarily lead to a creator. That is the easy way out. And it doesn't explain why you need a religious death cult. Or why there are multiple versions of this creator. Why would this creator suddenly need a book, and why so late in the creation of the universe?
>>71895857
/THREAD
>>71903511
Except taking the word of the Koran for Mohammed and 'common knowledge' for Christianity, you cant play like that gotta judge a religion on its own books. So to go back on your (strawman) argument Mary isnt god, she's a saint through which God put himself to get born into our earth and have legitimate looking parents (as was prophesised that would happen by former prophets who were told this by God) so that point is moot and a strawman (shame on you, you should know this as the story of jesus appears in the Koran).
Now how do you partition God in three and theyre the same? God is allpowerfull, he can do whatever the fuck he wants or is your God not allpowerfull (because he is too in your religion so again your argument is that hod isnt allpowerfull which is something you believe in yourself)
I for one would support the guy who IS GOD and who managed to actually perform miracles as to the guy who says God touched him in a special place and tild him 'thetruth' ESPACIALLY if that truth of our dearest Mo is the word of abraham the word of jesus and then some new shit added to make it look like a brand new book, seems like abraham has more cred as OG human (as muslims jews and christians who hold any truth to their books Will say) and then you 'diss' jesus but at the same time the majority of the Koran is by based on abraham and jesus, so in the end we have a religion that was passed (all supposedly ofc) by the first men to tell of how god was (Jews), then god came down and told that he is not the evil fuck abraham depicts him as (Christianity) and then some guy comes and adds shit to these texts just because it helps with the modern thought in that region and makes his religion a credo of war.
you believe in teachings of Jesus as theyre copied by Mohammed but ignore that if you accept those teachings you accept he's God himself and then instead you let some con artist tell you that he is the TRUE messenger while he just adds appendix to religious texts.
>>71895656
If I don't convert to Islam will I go to hell?
>>71904923
hamas is another jewish shill that is meant to keep the palestinians divided over a secular party and jewish invented shill meant to ostracize palestinians and justify israeli intrusion into pali terroritories. quran is more like a finalized corrected veriosn of old&new testament. kabah is just like the holy of the holies in jerusalem, a reference point for prayer. also, in islam, god is not everywhere, that is god is not at the different place at the same time, or that god is part of us, or his creation. he is a separate entity, in his own dimension, apart of from his creation, according to islamic philo
>>71905070
no, it all depends on god and your connection with him. nothing is guaranteed even being a muslim
>>71904964
it does explain why cant there no multiple gods, there cant be no two equal gods with equal domain , also, if god1>god2 by a very very very small amount interms of "qualities of god" then god1 becomes the god of god2 because a slight increase in godly attribute of one god over the other will lead to infinite increase because we are dealing with gods that have infinite possessions
>>71905286
>nothing is guaranteed even being a muslim
Well, that's true, but it's guaranteed that all non-muslims go to hell.
>>71904964
can u explain how it doesnt lead to a creator
>>71905483
no where i have read that, god in his own right has the right to judge any one of any background in the most lenient way or the most harshest way possible, but granted if it is just god then your direct actions should be held responsible. being islamic and commiting sins, according to islamic beliefs, is a zero sum game
>>71905468
Why does there have to be a god? No evidence for such claims.
>>71905502
No evidence. And a rational mind won't come to such a conclusion.
>I have no Idea how this universe came to be. Must be written in this 1500 year old book, and non other. Researching this would be useless, as the answer is clearly written in this book, and all the others are wrong.
Come on, you can do better than this, you have a human brain.
>>71895857
Pretty much this. Shit muslims get beheaded.
>>71905630
Surat al-Bayyinah (98th) says: "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures" and one ayah bfore that Allah tells us what 'believes' mean: "And they were not commanded except to worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion"
>>71905067
the way i am looking at this is, why would god partition himself into three, and then sending one of those parts down earth. why couldnt he come down one peice, wouldnt that be simpler and convenient? i mean all the drama of god of going through crucifixion by sending the most important part of him (that being his son also???), wouldnt it suit him as the creator to just come down to earth
i see god as a machinery optimized to the teeth, therefore, causing all this complex drama of partitioning himself into three seems wasteful
>>71905729
you cant prove otherwise. you choose to be cuck dummy who would listen to retarded shills like dawkin and hitchens
>>71905782
you may be right. it seems that polytheists are the exception to the rule
>>71906093
Even if I did, makes me no different from you, who listens to retarded shills like muhammed (pigs blood upon him) and his dumbass imams.
And no, I can't prove it either, but I am smarter than just trusting these book written by pedophillic goatfuckers hundreds of years ago.
Also, everytime I get the oppurtunity to discuss this with muslims, irl or on pol, it never works out. It is impossible for me to respect islam. Good day.
What do you think about people who have a Hijab fetish?
Do muslim women even keep the hijab on while they fuck?
>>71906402
>salty
taking ahmads cock up your ass m8
>>71895656
do you like to fuck children? or was that just muhamed (curses be upon him forever)
>>71906161
And Qur'an obviously claims that Christians believe that not only Allah is God but that Messiah and Virgin Mary are also gods. And that's Jews believe Uzair is son of God. And what islam says is monotheism? Surat al-Israh tells us that: "Praise to Allah , who has not taken a son and has had no partner in [His] dominion". So Allah says that we christians and jews are worst of creatures and polytheists.
>>71906438
> implying OP isn't a virgin
>>71905909
Why would God reveal Himself to the jews and instruct the prophets to write of His coming and then proceed to come in the flesh born of a virgin, perform miracles, live a perfect sinless life, give Himself on the cross and resurrect for the Salvation of mankind, create His Church leaving behind thousands of witnesses and then send Gabriel to Muhammad - a sinful man - so he could deny it all, create his own fan fiction, murder, torture and rape everyone who would not submit? That is the real question - why muhammedans choose to follow a false prophet instead of bowing to the Living God. You had 1400 years to get your shit together and you're still holding on to lies.
>>71906554
you cant prove to muslims that jesus was actually the son of god using the scripture
>>71906478
the way i read that verse is people of scriptures still believe in one god (or the same god) where was polytheists (or idol worshipers) is a different ball game compared to abrahamic faiths, therefore, punishment varies
>>71895656
I hace seen many posts in facebook about how good muslims treat innocents but Am I innocent being christian and thus not recognizing muhammad as a prophet?
>>71906810
No one can prove anything to muslims because muslims have no concept of rationality or logic and because your "religion" is based on hate. Still, I am commanded to warn you of your evil ways. It's your own business to insist on following your satanic false god.
>>71907242
bullshit. prove that father of jesus or allah arent the same
>>71906810
The Quran Agrees: Jesus is the most Exalted of all
The Quran Also Agrees: Jesus Is the Most High!
Mary in the Islamic Perspective: Additional Proof for Jesus’ Superiority over the Prophet of Islam
Jesus Christ: Islam’s Greatest Prophet and Messenger
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/christ_better1.html
>>71907358
Prove that father of jesus or allah even exists
How does it feel to know that Islam is the worlds YOUNGEST religion??
Pretty much proves its a plagiary and fabrication wouldn't you say?
Your sandnigger thought it all up AFTER he was exposed to and studied Christianity and Judaism
>>71907358
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/christ_better1.html
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/christ_better1.html
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/christ_better1.html
>>71907423
no one can prove or disprove that, it can only be conjectured
>>71907470
who exposed him
>>71907358
If you believed in God you would believe the Son who does the will of the Father.
He who sees the Son also sees the Father.
Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.
Since muhammedans don't recognize the Son they have no knowledge of God. Allah is not God.
There is no running from the fact Jesus Christ is far superior to Muhammad and you chose to follow and imitate the false prophet.
>>71907646
this doesnt prove he is his son. if i call out to my god as father would it make me his son? that was the norm of his day for the rabbis to call out to god as father
>>71895656
>I AM A MODERATE NAZI. AMA
How can you, the follower of a genocidal warlord, claim to be a moderate anything?
>>71906461
Thing is, you said you were a muslim ask me questions. But you are just a creationist. And just like them it is impossible to have a rational discussion with you. Knew I would be wasting my time.
>Also, phallic and anal fixation.
>>71907614
idk.. his sandnigger Jew mentor? Does that even matter?
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/borrowing.htm
"Muhammad the Borrower" lol
>moderate
>muslim
thread was doomed from the start
>>71895656
What is more important, Islamic Law or the law of the land?
Who would win a fight 100 Samurai vs 100 Arabian knights
>>71907774
>athiest
>on a christian board
back to plebbit cuck
>>71907867
nigger im not reading all that shit, gib me names
>>71907728
As I said before, you and your kind are not interested in Truth. There is no proving anything to you. You follow a mere man who in his own authority disregards the One True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and creates his own perverted fantasies of sexual slavery, submission and conquest. My God commands us to love one another. Your prophet commands you to kill in his name, without ever presenting any witnesses to his supposed revelation. Also, he was conceived in sin, lived in sin and died in sin. He held no moral ground over anyone, ever, in the history of mankind.
>>71908044
kek religion is for morons and wouldn't exist if kids weren't indoctrinated into it the moment they could understand basic language.
>>71895656
SERIOUS QUESTION
WHY ARE YOU MUSLIM ?
Inb4, I know it's obvious bait
>>71895656
Will you kill your own mother if she said she did not believe in Allah and had cheated on your father by sucking his boss off on a mid-summer night while chanting "FUCK ALLAH. FUCKING IS BETTER".
>>71895656
Prove that 'moderate' mudslimes exist.
Pro tip: you can't.
That is the biggest oxymoron it there.
>>71908114
Religion is fundamental for a society to actually work as a society. With Religion removed, secularism pushed and nationalism being frowed upon people quickly tend to only think about themselves, effectively destroying their own state.
What most people don't realize is, that without religion, we become even bigger self-consumed assholes
>>71895656
what kind of stones do you use as a moderate ?
>>71908045
your form of truth is paganism. there is not a single account of any one directly worshiping jesus during his lifetime or even his disciples mentioning it in their books. your just an emotional edgelord with no factual backing to prove whether jesus was actually a god or not
>>71908044
>a christian board
By the gods of old you really are standard issue religious wackjob. Thanks for the laugh though.
le sigh
Every time you encounter the "moderate" Muslim, show them this verse
TROP
Quran (4:95)
- "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "
This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).
>>71908183
>>71908204
answering privileges are being withheld from poo in loo until they learn how to operate a toilet
>having 3000 gods
>>71908019
100 Samurai of course.
>>71908253
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/christ_better1.html
Now it's pretty obvious you're just trolling and that I took the bait.
>>71908280
Christianity built and sustained our civilization, and the decline of our civilization is tracking, non-coincidentally, with the decline of Christianity within it. Atheist materialism has not offered a viable alternative to sustain the culture going forward. It produced mostly nihilistic relativists, and only small numbers of genuinely circumspect rationalists.
>>71908314
Doesn't this passage actually critisize lazy fucks who do nothing but sit at home all day?
If you agree that Islamisation of Western countries is a bad thing, why do you still follow Islam as opposed to simply being theistic?
What proof is there that Muhammad was a prophet of God rather than a liar or an insane man?
>>71908457
Yes, like OP the faggot "moderate"
>>71895656
Do you hate western people?
>>71908314
verses like these are explicit in defense and passive in offense. if your country is being attacked then you are told not to be a cuck by sitting around but to defend it. this verse has historical context in the times of ghenghis armies attacking baghdad
>>71908044
Don't read it then you literal illiterate inbred.
It's far more valuable that some "moderately" smart people read it instead of you
>>71908537
Hol up isn't this a Verse of the Quran? The Quran was written almost 500 years before the mongols even rose
>>71895656
Islam plunged the lands of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Alexandria, Carthage, Rome, Byzantium into 1,500 years of permanent darkness and stagnation. A cultural and literal desert where empire and civilisation once flourished.
Name one thing of value that has come out of Istanbul in 1,000 years and remember that that used to be the capital of the Roman Empire. Islam is what plunged Europe into the Dark Ages with the fall of Constantinople. And what did they do with that legacy? Burned all the books and put minarets on Hagia Sofia, genocided the Hellenic people of the Levant ending with the genocide of 1.5 million Armenian Christians at the beginning of the 20th Century, and replaced them with low IQ, unaesthetic shitskins. That is Islam in a nutshell.
Look at ISIS. Rape, murder and the destruction of culture. Go to a muslim ghetto in the West and tell me that is a place you would want to raise your children.
Islam is not the cure for degeneracy. It is THE DEFINITION OF DEGENERACY.
>>71908436
Atheism just rejects religion who claim to have the absolute truth. I am atheist, but I also have a spirutual side, I just don't get it from old books. Christianity certainly played a big role the creation of our civilization, but the thing before it did too. Just because history played out the way it did doesn't mean it could have been different and that we absolutely need religious mumbo jumbo.
I don't know where atheist materialism comes from, but I am aware that atheism has pretty much been hijacked by people with a certain agenda, especially overseas, making it a kind of religion itself. I am not one of those.
>>71895656
Theres no such thing as a moderate. There is a follower of islam, and then there is someone who isn't following islam but will stupidly call himself a muslim for the sake of a pissing contest.
Just go fuck yourself and die. There will be a day in every western nation when muslims will be put down via any means necessary.
>>71908246
Tell it to the godless Greeks, who built the European civilisation.
Fundamental my ass.
>>71895976
What if they don't want to talk to you. What if they want you to fuck off back to nigger bullshit land and die.
>>71908630
Autism
>>71908713
>godless Greeks
are you fucking retarded?
>>71908537
How do you explain this then.
Why dont the majority of you not get a job?
>>71908624
Baghdad was pillaged by the mongols, and its defenders didnt do shit because they prioritized certian peace loving verses over the jihadi ones. when the mongols reached syria, then there was a person by the name of ibn-taymiyyah who issued a fatwa citing that verse to actively defend one's own land, and not to be sitting ducks
>>71908253
Prove that muhammad spoke to Gabriel and is not just the antichrist false prophet that Jesus warned us about.
>>71908713
Greece wasn't godless you fucking moron, there were still Pantheons who the different city states believed in, and even if religion would be lost the Greeks still had their heritage, they were proud to call themselves the people of Athens or Sparta
>>71908838
*doesnt
>>71908785
Muslims invade Kafir lands because of verses like this one. Open ended slaughter to please the blood god Allah.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context. The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
>>71908785
You can't compare a short period of conquest to 500 years of conquests also
>berbers
>muslim
How well do you know the Koran and history of Islam
Do you know that Jews and Christians are people of the book and you are supposed to tolerate them?
Do you think many Muslims defy this regularly because they believe they are living in dar al-Harb rather than dar al-Islam?
>>71908713
>godless Greeks
>>71908253
Next time, don't try to deny that the Quran speaks highly of Jesus Christ - that in fact, it shows that Jesus is greater than Muhammed.
>>71908537
obviously you dont have any problem with the European Crusades to take back Christian lands. self-defence is justified in the Quran after all
>>71908838
>>71908877
I can answer that. Welfare is considered Jizya.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
>>71908838
i am STEM graduate student at uoft (top 20 in the world right now)
>>71908929
This verse is reffering to the Pagans in Mecca who persecuted muslims until Mohammed decided enough was enough
Once again you are cherrypicking verses that have been disproven and add nothing to the discussion
Why are you in Canada?
RIDDLE ME THIS
>>71908999
agreed, jesus is mentioned in the quran more than mohammad. theyre both in their own leagues for the mankind to follow
>>71895656
What is your favourite nasheed?
>>71909032
Sup Turkroach, get bent. What makes you think Mohammad owned Mecca and had the right to kill everyone there because they didn't kill him and his followers? Mohammad was a piece of shit who nobody wanted to put up with anymore. Why do you blame the victims of Mohammad's insanity?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)
The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
>>71909172
>jesus is
Jesus is not mention in the Crapran. Isa is the muslim version of Jesus. Isa is a coward who ran away from self-sacrifice. Allah lied to everyone by switching out Isa.
>>71908436
>Christianity built and sustained ...
Meanwhile: Renaissance, French Revolution, Industrial Revolution, Soviet space exploration....
Looks like someone is attributing more to religion than it actually is.
Think we got an actual BELIEVER here. Haha what joke.
>>71909028
>Welfare is considered Jizya.
This is an outright lie.
Zakat is a welfare 'tax', only imposed on Muslims, it is generally described as a 2.5% tax on savings to be donated to the Muslim poor and needy
Jizya is a discriminatory tax paid by non-muslims in order to fund Islamic expansionism
>>71909199
I'm Assyrian actually
Mohammed and his followers fled to Medina after the pagans feared the uprising of this new religion. The muslims were persecuted, their homes destroyed, their lives taken. When Mohammed heard of the slaughter of the muslims undergoing in Mecca he decided to take Mecca and stop the slaughter. This does indeed not refer to defensive but offensive war. Mohammed urges his followers to keep their fellow muslims safe and fight if they have to
>>71908696
atheism also claims to have the absolute truth, by claiming there isnt a god. also, you cant get rid of the consequences of being materialistic and nihilistic by being an atheist. Commie Russia was an atheist and killed 60 mil people, Mao China is also atheist and killed 10 mil of its people in WW2
You are wasting your time on /pol/
There are retarded here and you are a bait too
>>71909408
Jizya simply compliments the zakat tax which is only imposed on Muslims. I really don't see the issue there
>>71909408
>Jizya is a discriminatory tax paid by non-muslims in order to fund Islamic expansionism
What do you think Muslims are doing with all that free Jizya welfare money?
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5856/welfare-jihad
>>71908760
>no moderate in Islam
>turk
Turkey is the most moderate islamic county in the world.
>>71909388
The Rennaisance, and thus all eras following would have never happened if the the catholic church didn't exist. The Monks tried their very best to upkeep knoweldge and write books on all topics while the pagans raped, pillaged and destroyed everything they could. If it wouldn't have been the church and their tremendous effort to upkeep wisdom we would never be as advanced as we are today
>>71895656
If you were a Kaffir like me and you just learned about Taqqiya, would you ever trust a Muslim again?
>>71909421
>I'm Assyrian
With your hearty defence of Muslims and Mohammad it's a good thing your kind are disappearing
anyways sandnigger, you will be hanged along with the rest. Keep it up
>>71909504
What is Oman
>>71909449
Atheism never claimed to have the absolute truth, as science reveals more and more questions. Knowledge is like a bonfire, the larger it gets, the larger the darkness becomes. Under religion, this bonfire stays the same size, or just gets extinguished. But yeah, you cant be religious and understand atheism, so what do you expect.
>>71909470
zakat - voluntary alms given to the needy
jizya - pay or die
>I really don't see the issue there
you wouldnt. youre a Muslim
>>71908985
Yes, they had the organised parthenon of myths gods and heroes, but they served only as the cultural basis for art, rhetoric, phylosophy and communal festiveties like wine festivals...
Ofcourse they were godless in the broader sense how else would Platon be allowed to hypothetise that a god is a sphrere (outerworldly and perfect) if it was an imposed mass cult.
Greek gods lead lives of their own not medling into the world of humans like in the mythological classical age
>>71909296
yeshua is the aramaic that translates to isa in arabic. your like a fucking retard
>>71909845
And at any time you were welcome to leave because religious minorities, Jews for instance, were treated so much better in Europe
>>71909949
nice diversion
Do most Muslims know that Islam was started well over 600 years after Christianity?
Do any Muslims even know that?
That alone would make me renounce it since it's been PROVEN that it is just a bootleg, plagiarized, copycat religion
>>71910032
All prior prophets were legitimate but the adherents misconstrued God's message and Islam was simply the final, true synthesis of the word of God
(There words, not mine)
How to debate with Muslims by Ibn Warraq
http://www.islam-watch.org/IbnWarraq/Debate_Muslims.htm
>>71909715
>as science reveals more and more questions
but you being an atheist have some how found out before science that there isnt a god
>Muh atheism. I know there isnt a god
your a skeptic or an agnostic at best and not an atheist if you believe athiest "never claimed to be absolute truth"
>>71909388
>Renaissance, French Revolution, Industrial Revolution
All happened in Christian society by Christians.
>>71909937
Isa is a coward, Allah is a liar
>>71909906
Knowledge is power. Are you suggestic people would have not preserved their collective advancements that set them apart from more primitive barbarians if it wasn't for precisely this or that monotheistic religion?
And inb4 there would not have been the need to rediscover ancient phylosophy and science , had the church not have actively strived to silence and destroy any heretic old views it in its quest to root itself as the alpha and the omega
>>71909585
Sorry imean this.
>>71910302
>>71910268
>French Revolution
I disagree, this series of events was driven by Atheists and it's what led to the rise of Communism.
> all these lies just to defend Islam
I'm gonna vomit...
Is cum halal if I ejaculate towards Mecca?
>>71910417
Only if you have four males to witness it!
>>71895656
How is Bigfoot doing nowadays? Still hanging around with Elvis? And what's up with Nessie not showing up lately? Is he sick?
>>71895656
Moderate muslim doesn't exist, your religion is violent and need to be exterminated, now fuck off you goatfucker
>>71909906
What was Socrates convicted of mate?
DAILY REMINDER THAT MUHAMMAD WAS A DEAD LIAR, A FALSE PROPHET, AND HE IS CURRENTLY BURNING IN HELL ALONG WITH HIS FOLLOWERS AND WILL SOON BE IN GOOD COMPANY ONCE THE GREAT KEBAB PURGATION STARTS
>>71910364
Its not my fault, you disagree with the fact that the french revolution was against aristocracy, against the clergy and even against Christianity, because it so long has promoted the feudal class system... (with the correspondence king-country, god-church)
>>71910364
and feminism. mary wollstonecraft was the first feminist and inspired by french revolution wrote a treatise on rights of women that proposed polymory and produce a bastard child by the name of mary shelley who concocted a blasphemous peice of work called Frankenstein claiming man had the power of god to be able to bring inanimate objects to life
>>71910653
So basically the one achievement within Christian society that can be partly identified with atheists (implying even 1% of people were atheist in those days) is the one thing that forced equality on France and led to pic related. After all, we're all human, right hans?
>>71908328
It may be news to you, (or may be all this is Taqqiya) the right wabrick the Islamic way... the "HALAL" way of anal cleansing is to smear shit stained sphincter with sand or dust:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayammum
Yes, forget the use of toilets... Muhammad (may piss be upon him) was definitely into "sand and stones in ass" desert sadomasochism.
Tayammum consists of the following steps:[2]
Finding a piece of ground which is free of najaasah (unclean elements). This could be any natural surface such as rock, sand, or dust.
Recite the bismillah.
Make niyyah, or intention to make tayammum.
Place the hands on the surface of the ground.
Lift hands with palms downwards, ensuring that no dust remains, may rub them together.
Rub face with hands.
Press hands to ground and touch sides of hands together.
Rub right arm with left hand, from the fingers to the elbow, and back along the inner arm to the hand. Do the same with the other arm.
Items on which Tayammum is permitted
All items which have thick dust on them
Baked earthen pots (unglazed)
Clay
Limestone
Sand
Stone
Taahir (pure) earth
Walls of mud, stone or brick
Items on which Tayammum is not permitted
All items which burn to ash, rot or melt
Food Items
Glass
Metal
Wood
Dash
>>having 3000 gods.
No that is 33 million gods, and every single one is better than the one who chose an INCESTUOUS(Yes, Muhammad who FUCKED his own son Zaid's wife Zainab) PEDOPHILE(one who FUCKED a 6 year old toddler) as his prophet.
Forget even gods, even the agnostic and atheist schools of thought within Hinduism are better. In fact, even Scientology is better than your "Religion".
Go back to making IEDs you disgusting "moderate" mudslime.
>>71910580
Why don't you tell me mate. Surely it's because he was atheist....... that what of Diogenes, Pythagoras, Democrites, Epicuras....
>>71911017
this beats all of that
>>71910971
That's failed colonialism and you know it. Has nothing to do withvhurch and faith and what not
>>71895656
So moderate means you respect this current decadent western system of fag marriage and hedonism?
Okay
>>71911017
>>71908328
>My piece of shit Religion is better than your piece of shit religion
>>71911152
No this one:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Camel_Urine_and_Islam
Camel Urine in the Hadiths
Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine).
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794
Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of 'Uraina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncongenial. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right.
Sahih Muslim 16:4130
"A tradtionalist told me from one who had told him from Muhammad b. Talha from Uthman v. Abdul-Rahman that in the raid of Muharib and B. Thalaba the apostle had captured a slave called Yasar, and he put him in charge of his milch-camels to shepherd them in the neighborhood of al-Jamma. Some men of Qays of Kubba of Bajila came to the apostle suffering from an epidemic and enlarged spleens, and the apostle told them that if they went to the milch camels and drank their milk and their urine they would recover, so off they went.
From The Sirat Rasul Allah ( The Life of The Prophet of God ), by Ibn Ishaq (3) pages 677, 678
It appears Muhammed believed camel urine had medicinal value and prescribed it to cure the men’s illness.
>>71911089
Impiety. Specifically
>failing to acknowledge the gods that the city acknowledges
>introducing new deities
In the trial, the proceedings of which you can read about in Plato's Apology, he categorically denied being an atheist.
>Gentlemen, I am your grateful and devoted servant, but I owe a greater obedience to God than to you
Now read what you wrote again.
>godless
>Greeks
If you think islam is better why don't you go live in a muslim country?
>>71911415
But anyway Islam in its form Saudi Arabia is trying to promote is culturally incompatible with with the West.
For further information check about muslim minorities in the Balkans (Bulgarian model.... Deturkification), Chinese model ..sheer assimilation, and even Afghanistan, Iran and Irak , before the failed colonialism
>>71911753
This
>>71904637
>haha,stupid muslims having their book destroyed
>waitasec.jpg
>thats not a quran
>rage
>>71911598
Nice proxy
>>71904637
>>71912111
>tattoos
