>capitalism is still a thing
Stay jelly, commie
>>71882432
Of what? The end of the petro dollar?
>>71882432
Why do you like being fucked by corporations, my poor American proletarian slave or big capital?
What is the alternative?
>>71882400
Fuck OFF commie bitch
Your ideology hasn't worked anywhere. You were cucked by commie jews.
>>71882507
Capitalism is the system that lets me do the fucking as long as I am willing to work hard to get to the point of fucking things. If you're too much of a pussy to empower yourself then you can git out.
>>71882673
Why do you want some other owner of your labour to gain profit of your work??
>>71882824
Because I am not an island and I live in society and that is an inevitable outcome of producing capital.
>>71882400
YOu better be using a government distributed computer or one you made yourself to post that shit
>>71882400
(You)
>>71883017
But you can choose communism. Then you will not have any wage at all, but instead you don't need to pay for anything, you'll be able to pick up any things in the store which you need. You'll live in a free society.
>>71882673
Good Goy.
>>71882400
it's the only way to keep retards like you under control
>>71883948
Paying for things is an essential part of working in a healthy society. Giving back to the community and sacrificing yourself to the country is and should be rewarded. I earn the things that keep me alive and that gives me a purpose to keep doing what I do. If everything was free there would be no purpose for me to work hard and therefore society crumbles and nobody gets anything back.
>>71885300
But what of the retards in power?
>>71883948
except that communism routinely ends in mass starvation and death , you dumb cuck
>>71886357
no, only capitalism.
>>71885491
you're slave of the capital and your bills. In free society you can work as much as you want and consume as much as you need.
>>71882824
>>71885491
You work because you're auman and you enjoy the work, because the labour devides you from an ape.
>>71886357
And capitalism inevitably ends in resource depletion, class warfare and rampant corruption and abuse of the lower classes.
>>71887269
Nope. The rich don't own resources. They simply believe themselves to. They steal from everyone else and the Earth, then claim it was their "hard work" which made this possible. Without workers, the rich are nothing. Without the rich, workers still exist, and prosper in fact.
Nobody needs the boss in that image. Nobody.
>>71883948
The worst aspect of communism is that the end goal is that there is no personal property either. As in, you won't have a house or car or things to yourself, it'll "belong to the community." Fuck that shit, I want to earn things and keep them as my own, fuck sharing.
>>71887240
In your society there won't be anything to consume as the incentives for working and producing would be removed, fuckwit.
>>71883948
There's a difference between the richest country on the planet with the worlds largest economy and a 2nd world shithole run by a corrupt leader who robs his own country
>>71882400
Capitalism sucks ass, but communism isn't the answer. If anything communism is just a form of super-capitalism. (i.e. working your ass off for the rich, and receiving only the bare minimum to live in return)
>>71887488
Ignorance is bliss
>>71887240
No one will work if they don't have to worry about surviving. Progress itself is based on trying to conquer hurdles and going beyond comfort. If people never had to worry about starving because everything was free, then they wouldn't feel obligated to push themselves more to work even harder and longer. They'd put in 2 days of labour in the week instead of their usual 5 let's say, and the economy can't survive on that. Not in this sort of society. And we know it doesn't even work for a lesser industrialized time as we've seen in Soviet history. Now maybe it might work for a feudal farming system, but we are beyond such simple needs. We have greater needs now and these sort of systems can't just be based off the trust that people will put in work just because they are passionate about it. No. In order to get the productivity that we need, we need to instilll the age old feeling of survival. People need to survive to live. Comfort is secondary, not primary.
In this day and age your world is a fantasy.
>>71882400
A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.
Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?
Two things result from this fact:
I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.
II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.
To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.
Chapter I. Bourgeois and Proletarians(1)
[German Original]
The history of all hitherto existing society(2) is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.
In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.
>>71886214
meh, they're a long way away from me and my life is pretty good. not sure how anyone else could make it better or worse at this point.
>>71887488
you're right, of course. now let me ask you something do you know what a gun is?
>>71887269
Machines cost less than he pays for that capitalistic opressor.
>>71887514
You don't need incentives to work, who told you that? You get bored and you work because you want to socialize with people and be honorable memeber of communistic society, not working was shameful in the soviet Russia.
>russian
>>71887514
>As in, you won't have a house
Party gave the best people the most hard working nd educated people everything for free: commieblocks, cars. You don't need to slave yourself into loans to get everything.
>>71882400
>le capitalism is bad maymay
kindly kill yourself
>>71887900
What is honor and duty to your society? People in ancient world had no money, each contributed as much as he could and they devided that property between each other. Without money, loans, banks and parasites. Working is a question of survival, everyone is obligated to contribute if he wants to stay in the communistic society. Yes people have no incentives to produce useless luxurous stuff like silicon boobs or ferrari, but is that bad? The gap which separates poor from rich ones - this is evil.
>>71888743
>Working is a question of survival, everyone is obligated to contribute if he wants to stay in the communistic society.
And "contributing" means obeying the party.
I think it was Trotsky who said "In a capitalist society, if you refuse to work, you starve. In a communist society, if you refuse to obey you starve". Nice system you've got there Ivan.
Implying
>>71888872
Everyone who refuses to work is starving, they difference is in commie society everyone is equal and people produc only stuff they actually need and put their effort into science, not some useless luxurous stuff and nobody enslaves anyone like in capitalistic society where poor people are slaves of rich ones.
>mfw burgers here don't know what capitalism is
>mfw ruskies here dont know what communism is
Damn, it's like one group of retards arguing with another group of retards.
>>71889034
> they difference is in commie society everyone is equal
Equally poor.
>and people produc only stuff they actually need
So the average Russian doesn't need bread, meat, eggs and vegetables?
>not some useless luxurous stuff
Who gets to decide what is "useless luxurous stuff"? A 70 year old bureaucrat?
>where poor people are slaves of rich ones.
Slavery was abolished in the 1860s, you should look it up.
>>71889207
>So the average Russian doesn't need bread, meat, eggs and vegetables?
This is what we produce you fucking chink retard.
>>71888480
Wow the Soviet party really did a number on you. I wonder if you're too young to have experienced the later years of the USSR as it collapsed because of communism.
You do not understand. Some of us do not care about getting """free""" commieblocks and cars, likely the government would still technically own it and it'll never truly be yours nor would you be able to pass it off to your children as inheritance. Besides I won't settle for what they offer, I want to own the best house because I want to be above the common person.
>>71889034
The communist model generally requires everyone to more or less be similarly minded people, assuming that people are inherently good and willing to be useful for something. But we have a large parasitic class of people that stick their hands out demanding money while they don't contribute at all to their society.
People can never be equal, this is a myth. Some people are superior and others are inferior. Man can never transcend above natural law in which there are winners and losers - there will always be a segment of people that want to dominate others. Japbro knows what's up >>71889207
>>71889207
>Slavery was abolished in the 1860s, you should look it up.
Yeah, they why do you treat women like slaves? Literally any 90 year old fat fucker can buy a model himself or those poor girls gangbanged in porn? They even have to bea surgery just to please capitalistic perverts. Not even starting with your anime which promotes pedophilia.
>>71882400
Good. It's better than your shitty commie bullshit.
>>71889572
>promotes pedophilia.
pedohpilia and unrealistic standarts on women,
And fasion is so useless, clothes were created to keep our bodies warm, not to devide people on classes.
>>71889488
>This is what we produce you fucking chink retard.
Many russians could never afford meat. Your society was a shithole. When Yeltsin visited America and went to a standard supermarket, he was so surprised at the amount of food there he thought it had been set up for show by the FBI to impress the soviet delegation. But it was just a standard "capitalistically oppressive" supermarket.
>>71889572
>Yeah, they why do you treat women like slaves?
We don't? Slavery is illegal.
>Literally any 90 year old fat fucker can buy a model himself or those poor girls gangbanged in porn?
Those "poor girls" made a choice. They weren't coerced into being gangbanged. That's what slavery is. Coercion.
>>71889613
Nobody is forcing you into buying designer clothes.
I feel like your ideology is "I want to ban what I don't like".
>>71889532
>you be able to pass it off to your children as inheritance
Who the hell told you that? Of course we owned the property which was given us by the government and could give it to our children. It was socialism. We couldn't sale it or rent.
>>71887488
Is this nigger serious?
>>71887240
>In free society you can work as much as you want and consume as much as you need.
This has got to be a troll, right? This is the exact reason why your red state fell.
what about human nature ever think about that
>muh capitalism
>muh free enterprise
>muh hard work
>muh no intensive
this thread is full of kike shills
>>71889613
Fashion is a form of expression, as in people trying to express themselves or be unique, the same reason people gets tattoos or piercings (as degenerate as it may be people still have a right to distinguish themselves) or wear clothes of their culture. You communists just assume everyone would be happy to wear the same unisex gray tunic.
>>71889826
Some socialist and communist countries' laws regarding inheritance. I see governments trying to tax 70-90% of someone's inheritance over a certain amount. The message is clear that you shouldn't work to ensure you posterity is much better off than you were.
So basically you're shit out of luck if you want to sell your tiny commie apartment and upgrade to a house of your own. Because no matter how much you work for a better home, you're basically told to deal with what the government deems is appropriate for you.
>>71890310
Funny you say that as the first communist revolts were started by kike bolsheviks.
adorableproxy
probably unironically a canuck too
>>71885263
But trade unions don't do shit, they're literally controlled by jews
Jelly intellectual thinks having a masters degree makes him more qualified to lead the people than an industrialist
>>71882493
>End
>>71882400
Ya damn rus, my assumption is that you were born after the fall of the USSR or during the latter days of its life. Cyka blyat no english good am rus please make forgive. Putin has also shown his disinterest in re-establishing the USSR.
>>71882400
The cold war is over, Artem. please stop this.
>>71889782
Standard leftist ideology
