Convince me why I should or should not be a libertarian.
you can do whatever you want OP, just don't tread on me.
>>71875428
Read Moldbug's open letter to ron paul supporters, then his sick journey from mises to carlyle
>>71875428
Because people who unquestioningly belong to jewish religions are idiots.
>>71876797
>>71877150
>>71875428
as a Libertarian I approve these memes
>>71877150
haha this is great
hey everybody Stefan Molyneux here for Freedomain Radio, I hope you're doing well
>>71875428
Nn an ethical level im a libertarian, I believe i have the right to exercise my agency as I see fit and i know that I have the moral and intellectual capacity to do so in a manner that does not harm others.
However, in my observations of humanity or at at least most of them; I have come to realize that absolute freedom is really not for everyone. So on a practical level I cant be libertarian.
Although I want libertarianism, i know it is not possible until society is ready for it, and to be made ready they need a few decades of national socialism/nationalism to build up the moral fiber and resolve of the public.
>>71877429
>libertarian
>Christian
Ok
>>71875428
>>71877954
I'd say it's closer to judaism, personally. But I mean there's a hair's breadth of difference between the kike religions.
>>71877954
Also
>Christians
>Not money-hungry parasites
Pick only one, faggot.
>>71877429
I thought Libertarians were agnostic?
>>71877860
>We lose the government
>Morally corrupt idiots kill each other
>In the end, only the people with "moral and intellectual capacity" remain
>achieve world peace
we should do it today
All you have to do is realize anarcho capitalists are complete cancer and that libertarianism is basically just conservatism + le magic free market not an argument memes
t. libertarian
>>71878964
and all you have to realize is that neither you nor anyone else (let's say a government) has the right to say what i can and cannot do
>>71875428
do you want to be shot OP?
>>71879208
But if you don't do what the government tells you to do, you get locked in a concrete room.
>>71875428
How can lolbertarians even compete?
ONE
>>71877150
I'll raise you one
>>71875428
Why don't we set up multiple small volentary governments similar to the US before Abe fucked everything up. If you don't agree with some laws you can just move to a district that you agree with.
That way socialists can be happy in their space and libertarian can be hapy in theirs. Of course socialists will never let this happen because it reduces the pool of people they can steal from.
If you can't decide for yourself, then we can't convince you otherwise. People come to it eventually, numerous psychological-political studies about political relationships with personality and the mind have found libertarians to have far more masculine traits, lower ethical/moral guidelines, less emotional/empathic reasoning, more systemic/logical analysis, and higher preference for individualism/liberty over collectivism. It's on paper, look it up. It's something that we find works. Do I think some stiff cunt in a suit knows what is better for me then I do? Do I feel it necessary to sacrifice personal agency and autonomy to benefit a collective I don't particularly care about? No and no, so why should I willingly fund these legislation? Not only that, but why would I do so knowing (yes KNOWING) that they are ineffective, costly, and don't work nearly as well as the way a free market or private entity could perform these functions.
That's about the long and short of it.
>>71879996
But you already pay a middleman to build roads through your taxes. The diffrence is you also have to pay for roads you will never ever use.
>>71879996
That looks like New Mexico and former libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson is from New Mexico therefore this image is libertarian
checkmate atheists
>>71880386
How do you resolve the tragedy of the commons?
>>71879996
>laying a chunk of asphalt on the ground
>something only Obama with his parliament can do
shit, you have just proved every libertarian wrong, i accept my defeat
>>71875428
Why are there so many forced Carl the cuck memes? It has nothing to do with libertarianism.
There are too many cuck libertarians but Hoppe, Rothbard and Rockwell, support traditional values and libertarianism. They are best examples of this
>>71880737
>im the CEO of a company that uses resource X to create a product. My new process will deplete resource X within a few years
>You're fired
>>71880737
I advocate a Hans Hermanne Hoppe-esque view of libertarianism. Set up some preliminary constraints and allow society to flourish with mitigated damage i.e strict immigration standards, powerful police force etc. Some would say this transgresses the right of the private citizen but that is not so, an officer is no concern to someone following the law, of which there would be little in a free society, therefore limited fear of the law. Restricting an influx of peoples from what some would call "inferior" nations means a more homogeneous society, in essence this is nationalism without having to use full authoritarian enforcement. The society supports itself, because it is constituted of those who look the same and want similar things. But to that extent I would not go beyond, tragedy of the commons be damned. It's a dog eat dog world.
>>71880169
that one always makes me chuckle.
>>71881508
Oh hello, Cayman!
>>71878481
>Unshakable belief in nonsense that obviously contradicts reality
Yeah, nah that's a religion, m9.
>>71881508
can't wait to send some of my "things" on over to you, cayman islands
Honestly most white nationalists in here would like Hoppe and should take a few hours out of their day to read him. His ideal libertarian society is one of limited immigration, full enforcement of private property, and individualism understood in terms of culture
>>71882094
>Contradicts reality
Unfortunately for you, that's not the case. It's such a controversial ideology because as far as political, social, and economic systems go it is as realistic as it gets, and this makes people uncomfortable I suppose, given the hatred for libertarianism and it's proponents. To me it just looks like a lack of understanding or weakness fostered by collective confidence and stupidity in equal measure. If your buddies say the carpet you're standing on is a great carpet, it doesn't mean they're objectively correct because it is popular opinion, and saying the carpet is shit makes people uncomfortable.
>>71881421
>Become police officer in a Libretarian Society
>Have to deal with the occasional petty theft, nothing much worse than that
>Do fuck all most of the time while on duty except shitpost on 4chan
Where do I sign up?
But that puts an awful lot of faith in your fellow man.
>>71882412
>You don't believe in my retarded shit because YOU'RE a sheep AND stupid.
Nice one. Doesn't sound like you've been indoctrinated AT ALL.
>>71875428
libertarianism is a degenerate philosophy that holds the individual to have unnecessary importance
it is ultimately a self-serving doctrine & selfish by nature which, incidentally, are inferior niggerish traits
sure, acting in the best interests of the self may work for some species but humans have defined co-operation and sociability to a point unparalleled in this world
while pursuing one's own self-interest is not necessarily bad, one would be a more righteous person if one's life was based upon following a path designed to enhance the greater good.
Thus an outcome is doing the right thing for the right reason which is why utilitarianism is the be all end all of moral philosophy
>>71882839
I'd say change the ending pic to an alter ending that was gay
>>71882480
Yeah wouldn't that be a hell of a job, lol
As far as faith in the fellow man though, it's the significance of the world "fellow" to me, and as much as he is my countryman and I would join my military and die for their rights, outside of extraordinary circumstances like that I don't want to be involved in their business, and them with mine. Personal agency I would say is the most optimal factor, even if that means occasional abuse. People pretend that a society with a strong government is free of corruption and is happy go lucky, I would say historical precedent shows it's the opposite.
>>71875428
>be libertarian
>never win any elections
Libertarian is a great choice. You'll never be mainstream.
>>71882649
>Australia
Nice try, Kangaroo Jack. If only it were that simple.
http://www.mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-most-dangerous-superstition-larken-rose-20111.pdf
>>71883041
>Whatever you said it irrelevant because you come from x country.
Nice rebuttal there.
>>71882839
Cute ad-hominem attacks, "niggerish". It's a shame not everyone shares your idea of "righteous", but let's restrict the extent of personal liberty because they can't follow your agenda, that will work just fine.
>>71883300
Rebuttal of what? You reduced what I said to "You're a sheep and stupid" and then called me brainwashed, so I'm responding in kind, there is nothing to engage about here my bogan friend.
>>71883387
stay mad that the truthisms ring true
i don't think we're better than being base me me fuck everyone else n gibs me dat, but we can be and we should strive to do so.
the civilized western world has shown we can do this. libertarians seem blind to the big picture, are you?
>>71883607
I was turning exactly what you just said on you. It's fine when YOU generalise about the mindsets of people who disagree with you, but when that exact reasoning is turned back on you all of a sudden it's a non-argument.
This is the logic of someone who has been indoctrinated into a cult. Which basically makes you everything you say you don't like about people who disagree with you.
Wrap your mind around that, if you can.
>>71882839
kek very subtle
>>71882918
or i could just add another slide with Wojak wiping the shit off his face with a leaf.
>>71884055
And yet again, i don't think you see the bigger picture.In a libertarian society you could (and should) still create social relationships, and form communes or such with other people to thrive to a common goal. The society just leaves you the option not to do so in case you'd prefer not to.
>>71884850
you can already opt out and live a life as a hermit if you want to
of course, no-ones going to do that because we all rely on each other for the world to go around
taxes and death just factors of life they can't be avoided unless you're some welfare grubbing scrub
wtf are libertarians even trying to accomplish, seriously?
>>71875428
If you can govern yourself while respecting others' basic rights to life and property, then you need no government.
>>71884140
No, let me break it down. What I mean to say is, the opposition to the ideas inherent to libertarianism are for more popular then libertarianism itself, both in America and on the world stage. I don't think that is a baseless criticism. Because of that, I would say that much of the support behind these policies doesn't lay with objective analysis or statistics, but because of the very fact it is common opinion and perceived to be correct due to this. This observation has nothing to due with a perceived "indoctrination" into a "cult", it's just harmless observation. Maybe I am generalizing, but tell me that's not truly the case, tell me these people have met these conclusions through personal research or studying learned men, books, etc. I don't think that's the case. I'm not saying they're stupid for that or I'm a genius, I'm pretty fucking stupid all things considered, but I'm capable of reading a book and so far, I've read enough books to bring me to this conclusion. And so have many others. I think it's a tragedy that liberarianism and it's facets aren't more supported by the world.
>>71875428
Really depends on what principles you ascribe to, fampai.
Genuinely, I believe that people typically look out for their best interests. If a government is made of people, then the government in itself is made of many actors with as many private motives. Therefore, if your government's interests do not align with your own, you are in trouble.
If you genuinely believe that self determination should be the largest goal of society, and that governments inherently can diverge from interest in the public good, then you probably are in support of small government which in many circles would make you a libertarian.
