>There are people on this board right now that believe God doesn't exist.
God is great.
Praise Allah
>>71874255
The are literally all edge Lord Fedoras(I'm not memeing)
>>71874255
ate tons of acid once
god is me and you, we're all one consciousness trying to escape the boredom that is true isolation by creating stories, happy, sad, boring, angry ect.
>>71874255
Nico a shit
Nice excuse for an anime thread.
His name is Yahowah.
i think god MUST exist
it makes perfect sense to me
but i feel absolutely no connection to him
sux2bme
No proof
>>71874534
bro come to blessyahowah.com
literally changed my life
just celebrated passover for the first time in my life
>>71874255
Who needs god, Satan as given me all I would ever need than that tyrannical evil asshole that everyone kisses ass to the point they all get fucking pink eye.
>>71874255
There names aren't "God", but:
Thor, Odin, Loki, Baldr, Freya, Tyr, Skadi, Forseti, Aegir, Frigg, Hel
>>71874255
God is a spiritual bond not an actual being so no not in reality, but within people.
>>71874638
The fact that you have consciousness and are able to perceive the world around you is that proof, more so when you begin to study nature and its relationship with geometry and mathematical patterns that is in relation to the proportions of living organisms including yourself and even entire galaxies that are all bound by the very same forces that keep atoms bound.
Daily reminder that Christianity is a cuck religion and if you follow it you are nothing more than a Neo-Kike.
Islam will save the West.
>>71875218
There must be a mind observing these quantum forces as the double slit experiment shows that reality is a mirage unless there is an observer.
Yes, the Alföðr is real.
>>71874255
Only lardy wannabe edgy fedoras from le lebbit army. They aren't real political players, so the best is to simply ignore them.
>>71875218
https://youtu.be/W5mJeRtjPvY
One example of how these mathematical patterns may be observed in nature and the type of forces that are presently occurring, molding, forming and shaping the world around you.
>>71874255
>There are people right now that can't see this thread is bait made by an Atheist, because we are all atheists here.
I feel for the poor Christianfags that think they are in good company. I bet mocking arguments will be made, and they will foolishly, our of lack of self awareness, will agree with them.
The internet is a magic place.
>>71875896
Fuck off
/pol/ is Christian territory
We support family, chivalry, tradition, righteousness and pride in one's heritage.
>>71876110
>He is one of them
It's all memes, son. You should have figured this out just by knowing 4chan is absolutely contrarian to the normies. What's but more normie than being Christian in America?
Also
>You can't be an atheist and a conservative
Kek
>>71874255
>not being Buddhist
>not being Stoic
Enjoy your semitic cucking and emotional woman/slave religion
>>71876842
>cucked by eastern religions
>not choosing your ancestors
>>71876842
>Buddhist
>Believes you must work hard all your life so you can be rewarded by having your life reincarnate into a good life
>Not the most cucked of ideologies
Let's not even talk about the Buddhism teaches to give the other cheek to those you dislike even more than Christians. What a meme.
I don't believe God exists. We don't deserve such a gracious king, all we deserve is oblivion. I'd like to believe He exists but the world and its people are too indicative of there being no such being.
If there was a god that was great, India wouldn't exist after all.
I believe that god doesn't exist in the same way I believe magical flying pink unicorns don't exist.
>>71876426
>All memes son, christians are normies
>Atheism which is inherently hedonistic is the true redpill
>>71877446
>Muslims are horses
>I am a well rounded zoophiliac
>I've been fucking shitskins in the barn all along
>>71877038
The Old Gods are fine as ethne religions but Stoicism and Buddhism have much better ascetic disciplines. They are more philosophies anyway so I don't see any conflict between taking up both. Following any Abrahamic religion is the worst kike-cuckening I could know of though.
>>71877136
You are woefully ignorant of Buddhism. See Zen At War for starters. Buddhist ascesis is particularly suited to martial disciplines and doing fucked up shit to people. Operating outside of the cycle of samsaric (re)actions frees yourself to act decisively in any situation.
>>71877609
>You need Buddhism or ''x'' to act decisively in any given situation.
The definition of a cuck. Go meditate on that.
>>71876842
>being so egotistic that you think the world will end if you think well enough
>>71877609
Maybe, but the deeper you get into the worldview of our ancestors, I don't think you need the philosophy of a foreigner. Especially talking about "acting decisively". I'm pretty sure our ancestors knew very well how to act decisively. Take a look at books like the Culture of the Teutons and The Well and the Tree. 8ch net asatru has a PDF thread with a ton of material.
>>71877454
>ego
>enlightenment
Pick one.
Passively waiting for the Feels of Jesus to save you instead of saving yourself by perfecting your control over your thoughts and emotions is womanly.
>>71877607
I believe rejecting Christianity with all it's historical, philosophical and cultural traits, it's what has sealed the destiny of Europe and triggered all the degeneracy that is slowly consuming this once great continent.
Let's be honest, you can't "enlighten" the masses. Masses will always be stupid and eager to get brainwashed, because understanding and rationalizing requires too much effort. So what will you feed them?
A hedonistic doctrine that is inherently hedonistic, that encourages them to seek for immediate pleasure without ever think of the consequences?
Or a doctrine that teaches them to take pride in one's heritage, courage to live righteously and hard work because laziness is evil?
>Le inbait you can be anything of that without religion lulz atheists are even more moral than that without religious bullshit
Unless you're one of these fanatic atheists, you'll easily understand that it doesn't works that way
>>71877726
>self-mastery doesn't help you act
What the fuck do you even want from a religion? A special club where you get warm huggies for just saying youre sorry?
Science is based of facts. God is based off a book on account of 12 disciples and some other shit from ages ago. so because paul wrote an assload of bullshit in the bible doesn't mean it's morally correct.
>>71877990
What could possibly be more egotistic than thinking that the whole world bends around your pattern of thought?
Lick Nico
>>71878204
Christianity is anti-nationalist, universalist morality that valorizes the weak, poor, ill-constituted and has the doctrine of the Original Sin -- these are all precursors to SJW privilege theory, socialism and white guilt. It all was a logical outgrowth of the secularization and intensification of Christian memes.
"Christian theology is the grandmother of Marxism" - Oswald Spengler
>>71874255
which god?
>>71874255
>There are people on this board right now that believe Joe doesn't exist.
>>71878467
Just because our thoughts influence reality does not imply that one must have an arrogant clinging to an imagined self that denies the interconnectedness of reality.
>>71878204
>>71878227
I cannot see why a religion must give out its irrationality to maintain the benefits an ideology has to the individuals pertaining to it, those being a sense of belonging and community.
What's so irrational about a religion that teaches life is not as simple as some would like it to be, that using the scientific method is the best tool we have to understand the world around us, that believing stuff out of faith just because you want it to be true is an irrational position?
>>71878817
You think such a thing with no evidence at all. It is only due to your desire to preserve your own consciousness that you want such a thing to be true. Call me when the next faggot beams up to Nirvana or whatever the fuck.
>>71878227
>A special club where you get warm huggies for just saying youre sorry?
That's why most people are part of a religion though, or any group. It's all a big hugbox.
>>71879061
People are instilled with a religion at birth, and they bend it until it either conforms with their beliefs or snaps. If it snaps, they find a new one. Except for a few desperate cases, it doesn't have much to do with belonging. Belonging only motivates people to find a religion that caters to them.
>>71878513
>Christianity is anti-nationalist, universalist morality that valorizes the weak, poor, ill-constituted and has the doctrine of the Original Sin -- these are all precursors to SJW privilege theory, socialism and white guilt.
That's why we can find an absolutely courageous, rational and strong-willed atheist anti-christian Europe nowadays.
Completely different from the cucked and weak-minded christian Europe...
Of course, let's not pop the bubble and continue pretending "the amazing atheist" is 100% in everything
>>71878954
You can be both conservative and an atheist, I know I am. You show me peer-review evidence that children from Kenya can't recognise themselves in the mirro til the age of 6, and I will believe it without opposing to it due to ''muh morals''.
Social Justice Warriors look superficially at their enemies and try to hate on everything they feel part of, that's why most people in the LGBT communities claim themselves to be atheists, I doubt they sincerely care much for science/reason/facts since they bash it in the head every time it produces something ''problematic''.
You can see how well Atheism+ went, lmao.
>>71874255
Fuck it I'll bite. There is literally no proof of God, not to mention a vast majority of christianity or abramic religions is a total sham.
>there are literally people on this board that are sheep following something that does not exist
Might as well worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Even if you want to claim there is disputable proof, it does not explain why Jesus has yet to come back, he was supposed to return during the lifetime of his apostles.
>>71875218
That does NOT prove YOUR god. You are relying on coincidences choosing which deity it will apply to. If anything, why does god create a universe that we, incompetent humans, can completely map out the structure and relate it to other mathematica concepts, created by man? Of the universe was created by an omnipotent being, why does the universe not work randomly? To where in is unexplainable and beyond our comprehension? Why would a god create a universe that looks as if it functions on its own?
>>71878954
>that using the scientific method is the best tool we have to understand the world around us
Christianity isn't about creation myths, it's about morality. Something that atheists fail to understand is that the means by which the earth was made plays an insignificant role in the daily lives of christians. Moral choices, on the other hand, are made every day, and they have long, lingering effects.
What's so irrational about this?
>>71874255
Which one?
>>71874255
no, I just don't believe God exists
>>71874255
I like how the desert god worshippers flood the board at the same time.
Go back to yur faggy church.
Try reading books about reality instead of fantasy.
>>71879984
>>71880109
>Omg atheists are smarter
>I'm atheist so that automatically makes me smart
:^)
Why you guys MUST to convert other people to atheism or other religion?
Why so hard to let people be?
>>71880109
>correlation=causation, more fallacies at 11
>>71880109
Selective information bias
>>71875351
Clever jew
>>71880454
To be fair, the OP did provoke them
>>71874255
>having an imaginary friend
how much of a manchild do you have to be?
>>71880624
Yeah, that's why I use both sides, atheism and religion, not one side.
>>71880211
>cherry-picking from the old testament
>OMG christians btfo
>Atheists master race
>>71880454
Sakurako chan is so cute
>>71880849
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>>71880658
It isn't childish at all to truly believe that the eyes of God are upon you. If anything, it's maturity itself. Just try acting like a child, knowing that something perceives your foolishness and will not forget.
>>71876110 speak for yourself buddy
>>71876842
>not being utilitarian
>not being cyrenaic
the stoic & buddhist doctrines don't even come close to comparing
>>71880944
>there are people ITT who think god is some transcendental being and not immanent in everything in the universe.
>believing in something with zero proof
true retardation
>>71877136
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306
>>71881191
https://youtu.be/ZFrkjEgUDZA
Watch this
>>71881498
>what is RNA
>>71881065
It's crazy how this is so obviously in your head and how hard you will deny that obvious reality.
>>71877188
how would you know how good you have it in life ,when you can poo in loo while others have the street?
>>71881710
Fuck it I'll bite, what about ribo-nucleic acid makes you believe that the bible is true
>>71881065
Just because you truly believe in something does not mean its there. You need proof to verify and provide credibility so it can be a known fact.
>>71881191
>acuses me of cherry-picking by contradicting his argument
>immediately starts insulting me
>christianity is completely moral
>top kek
>>71879435
You don't get it. The atheist sjw's are just hyper-Christian versions of you guys. They took your morality then secularized and amplified it even more. You're both disgusting kike-worshipping traitors.
>>71881775
Cant wait for this one
>>71882061
I'm already in cringe gear ready to go.
>>71878987
>thoughts don't influence reality
You're just retarded then.
>>71882144
They don't unless your behavior is influenced by them.
>>71878244
you cant use science to proof or disprove god , god relies on faith the last 2k years , if god is real do you think he would show him self with science?
>>71881923
>Muh he insulted me
Where did I insult you, delicate-skinned anon?
By the way, you did dodge my question and simply shared that image with cherry picked passages.
>>71881714
>>71881827
I wasn't talking about proof or certainty. You're moving the goalposts. I was responding to the accusation that belief in God is childish. If you have nothing to say about my rebuttal, say nothing instead of trying to rope me into some argument you have in your heads.
>>71882144
How can you possibly say something like that? Show me proof of thoughts influencing reality.
>>71882280
I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just remarking on something that is so obvious from an outside perspective and you are completely oblivious to it.
>>71874313
Yep. ALL of us!
Retard.
>>71874255
Only reason to be anti-god is to be degerate. It doesn't matter what you tell yourself or what cause you hijack.
>>71882040
Again, it's easy to say but history will prove you wrong. Compare die-hard christian Europe to modern atheist-hedonist Europe.
>>71882208
>>71882208
You are the one cherry picking the bible by saying its completely moral, Yaakov.
>>71882193
Perfect excuse to defend something that only exists in imagination.
>>71882350
Nah, some of us don't need emotional crutches.
I'm perfectly okay with taking personal responsibility for my life.
>India
/pol/ needs to establish it's own religion. It can be memed into existence if we all shitpost hard enough. Anyone have ideas?
>>71882334
>I-I'm just being wrong because I think you're stupid
Go do that somewhere else, and stop attributing beliefs to me.
>>71874255
We created God, therefore it exists. It has no consciousness, but it does have a will, which is what we ascribe to it. People pray to god and it gives them comfort, they kill in it's name, create art in its name, conquer nation in its name, gather in groups millions strong in its name.
Power resides where we believe it resides, we believe in it's power therefore it has power. How can something that powerful not exist? All it takes is for the ambitious to claim themselves the prophet or speaker for that roiling mass of ideas and the people follow.
>>71882433
>exists in imagination.
proof it
>>71874255
Most people on this board don't really believe that. I think you have us confused with reddit.
However, most people on this board believe, with good reason, that you also have no idea whether a personal God exists; and the fact you are so sure it does results from your own stupidity rather than "enlightenment."
>>71882486
Degenerate.
>>71882280
Children are easily manipulated. Parents using fear to warp a child's preception is continually occuring; its relatively easy to do. As these children become older they carry on these child-like beliefs, also known as superstition. This sheep like mind is one of the reasons we were able to create civilizations, and continues to carry on this way(child like superstition mean). Now, we are passed that, continuing to believe like this is childish.
>>71882618
You didn't do jack shit leaf.
>>71882660
Prove that it's real. If it's not just in imagination, it should be easy to prove real.
>>71882550
>he's this booty bothered about getting insulted on 4chan
>>71882737
"We" as in humanity tripfriend.
>>71882766
>he's already pretending to be retarded
>>71882780
No human has ever done jack shit leaf.
>>71882618
>how can something that powerful not exist?
It is all imagination is what I think he wasgetting at. I can imagine a flying spaghetti monster in my head, he exist inmy mind. Therefore he exist
- Anon's logic
>>71882724
Children breathe air. Therefor any person who breathes air is a child. Make sense?
Your explanation also completely fails to account for people taking on new religions, creating new religions, or abandoning religion.
>>71882378
>Muh he insulted me
>Where?
>Muh he said bible is completely moral
>Where?
Haha did I touch a nerve?
You're starting to make up things, and again, you dodged my question.
Seems like it's about time to return to your safe-space at /r/atheism?
>>71882799
I didn't take back anything I said. Everything you've said makes it so clear you're just talking about something you've made up in your head.
>>71878513
Christianity has been molded to adhere to western capitalism and culture even though it's teachings spurn anything resembling such things. It doesn't matter what things actually say, it matters what you convince people to think that it says.
>>71882766
no the burden of proof lies on you , i already said we cant proof , and if god was real, you claim its in my imagination
>>71874255
>Believe
i know god doesn't exist sir, you're the one stupid enough to think there is one
>>71882903
By design, little of what I've said actually pertains to my own religious beliefs.
You're just an excitable faggot who thinks he has all the answers.
I'd love for god to exist, it would be good for everyone, but I just can't bring myself to believe in it.
>>71882970
Francis Bacon is rolling in his grave.
God exists. All religions are just wrong about him.
>>71881191
>In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any independent thought. But because, I am enlightened by the act of passing all responsibility onto some mythical higher power
>>71882949
I said it's in your imagination because you're talking about something which you have no proof of existence for.
>>71883003
Oh I'm sure kid.
>>71882358
>Atheism is what has eruined Europe
I love this meme
Communism is what has ruined europe, that and it's incredibly overpowering reliance on it's misplaced elitism
Lots of faggots seem to think that somehow believing in a magical sky wizard with supernatural powers with absolutely no concrete evidence is the smartest thing to do.
>>71882618
Spot on and very Nietzschean in essence. The Providence of God is as real as we ascribe it.
>>71883046
Nobody cares if you're sure. If you don't have an argument then leave the discussion.
>>71883119
Lol suck my cock christcuck.
>>71882884
No because breathing air isnt something that children do. Its an essential part of cellular respiration. Thinking like a child is present only in children, i.e., being easily manipulated, and can carry on to immature adults, hence why I call your beliefs childish. You completely missed my point on the civilization thing. One of the things all civilizations had was a common religion. People having common ideas on how the world worked,which at that time they were incapable of explaining through our current methods. Now, we understand why the world does what it does, there is no need for religion to explain this.
>>71883072
How come low intelligence athiests always use the sky wizard meme?
You do know lack of evidence is not proof of non-existenance, right?
>>71883048
Communism is the Athiest's government of choice.
>>71881191
So how am supposed to interpret the purpose of directing that image at someone?
>>71879984
This entire paragraph
>>71882897
>>71883043
Because christianity doesn't requires us to take responsibility for our actions, acknowledging that we will be judged when our time comes.
>>71875772
Based latino catholic.
>>71883228
The entire point of the analogy was to show that your reasoning was flawed, not that breathing air is the same as theism. If you really made that mistake, then go over the post again until you understand it.
>>71883072
>Lots of faggots seem to think that somehow believing in a magical nothing with supernatural powers with absolutely no concrete evidence is the smartest thing to do.
>>71883306
Lack of evidence against deities, is not evidence of a deity either.
>>71877038
>Choosing just the norwegian/swedish pantheon
Nice LARPING faggot.
>>71883306
>You do know lack of evidence is not proof of non-existenance, right?
You do know how the burden of proof works, right? You're the one that has to prove your claim of a deity's existence.
I can tell you a magical cyborg pony wizard exists in the depts of the marianas trench and argue that lack of evidence doesn't prove shit but you surely wouldn't buy my bullshit, would you?
>>71883088
Well guess i have to read Nietzche then.
>>71883555
>completely ignoring my counter arguement
wew lad
I explained why your analogy doesnt work
Of course I believe in God, anon-kun. I follow the Imperial Creed.
>>71883450
You were trying to get some screenshots to share on /r/atheism. I pointed out your made up accusations. Things didn't go as you wanted. Now you're bitter.
Give up already.
>>71874255
Yeah, pretty much everyone over the age of 7.
>>71883619
And if you claim God doesn't exist then the same rules apply smartass
>>71883683
And I explained why your explanation was faulty. Please at least try to keep up with me. A little less zealotry a little more common sense, please.
>>71874255
Give me one piece of evidence God exists,
Hard Mode: Do it without the Bible.
>>71883778
No they don't. You don't need to prove Santa exists, you just have to accept no one can prove he exists because he's an imaginary character, just like your god.
What's more scary pol?
The thought of being alone in this galaxy without an afterlife. Being completely insignificant and meaningless.
Or.
The thought of an all powerful being watching your every decision and judging whether you'll be invited to eternal bliss or agony.
>>71883778
You don't need to prove santa doesn't exist*
>>71883619
You cannot prove a negative. You are the one that is claiming that without a doubt there is no god. How can you know unless you are omniscient?
>>71883836
its all around you faggot you just blind but dont worry you will be screaming for your god when muslims take over
>>71883703
Literally who is bitter? Saying I'm bitter doesn't make me, Anon.
>pointed out made up accusations
you mean how in the freaking Holy Bible abortion is supported? And this somehow does not prove that Christianity isnt based on morals, when taking away rights based on sexual preference is moral? When mass genocide over a species is moral? What message am I supposed to get from that? Do good or god is going to murder everyone you know and love? Even though he provides literally no evidence for him?
The bible thumping on /pol/ has really been getting old lately. There's a reason intelligent people aren't religious.
>God must exist! Look at all the amazing creatures like humming birds and tigers!
>Yeah! And parasitic worms that eat out your pupil and lay eggs in the eye so the young hatch out and eat you eye!
>God created everything! Including the Earth. Isn't it magical? Look how amazing and beautiful it is!
>Yeah! God created a planet for us, a planet which is 70% salt water, which is completely useless for humans to survive on. A planet with limited resources for us to fight over. A planet with natural events which decimate entire cities and killing millions over the centuries. A planet with huge numbers of creatures which can kill you. A planet which is so fragile in it's balance that humans can cause the planet to change in ways which killing untold numbers of creatures and and humans.
If God exists, he might well do, then he has a sick sense of humour. That is, if he has any humour at all. What's the term called for believing in a God that created the Big Bang and then just watches and doesn't interfere at all?
>>71883880
This nigger gets it. I've been saying this whole time: Believing that there's an omniscient, perfect deity watching your every action isn't immature. It forces you to imagine how you look in the big picture and wonder about the morality and logic of your actions. It's depressing. Great Christian men must be of some of the strongest mental stock there is, to achieve greatness under such a mental state.
>>71883784
>say something is wrong
> hurr durr I ded I grate explashun guise!
Equivalent of covering your ears and spounting noisss
>>71883965
>I-It's all around us man! C-Can't you see it?! T-The Muslims tho!
Being a fucking retard isn't evidence.
>>71883558
>somehow believing in a magical nothing
Just because we don't know the answer doesn't mean you can go and make up bullshit
>>71883778
>>71883906
>You are the one that is claiming that without a doubt there is no god
>if you claim God doesn't exist then the same rules apply smartass
Never said that, sorry if you misunderstood me. I won't argue whether god exists or not because there's no way of winning that kind of silly discussion, i'm just questioning your reasons and i'm telling you they're not convincing at all.
Going back to my example of the cyborg pony (or anything like unicorns or underground ass goblins, the only difference being the amount of people that believe in those) , no one has any reason to believe my claim and even though it's unfalsiable the logical thing to do is approach it in an skeptical way.
Same happens with the concept of God, i can't 100% prove you wrong but the fact is, if there's no reason to believe in something then anyone would surely be skeptical of that.
>>71883979
>Being this butthurt over something that he's been claiming for the past hour that doesn't exist
:^)
>>71883880
The latter for me. That all powerful being should not create me then get mad when I do things he doesn't like. Make me never commit them. Show me I'm wrong with an undeniable show of his existence. The fact that this being has the same moral/emotions as a human when the chances are, it is so beyond human, that anybody who actually comprehended even 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% of the actual power, thougt process and shit of this being, would make their head explode.
>Two possibilities exist; either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
>>71883895
Yeah, you do, if you go by the evidence rule, and yes the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence in that case. Also nice red herring faggot.
>>71883965
>using its all around you arguement
Yes, but how does that prove YOUR god?
If you didn't notice that was rhetorical, the answer is it does not.
>>71884114
I correctly applied your faulty logic to subject matter that made its faultiness more obvious. I expected you to fill in the gaps, as I thought that we're all adults here and I don't need to argue for conclusions that one should come to naturally. Even after this, I went on to put forward three events which contradict your explanation of religion.
You're just confused, blinded by your own pride. I'm playing loose and you're playing tight. It makes you look like a fool.
>>71884173
>Tfw you know you lost the argument so you have to resort to memes.
>>71884158
False equivalence. A God is way different than believing there is a cyborg pony or a unicorn because neither of those things are known to break the laws of science. A god is known to be a scientifically "impossible" being, since he is both the creator of the universe and lives within and beyond it. Trying to find proof of something you cant use the scientific methood to prove is irrational and stupid, therefore athiests are stupid.
>>71884281
If you claim something exists with no way of proving that it exists, it is safe to say you are making it up.
>>71884173
>damage controlling after failing to prove something he believes in for an hour.
>>71879983
A bit new my friend? Read my beginning arguements
>>71884150
i used to be atheist for 30 years but after the decline of the west and how godless we have become in mere decades. i have found faith even if god is not real god is the way that should tell something
>>71884386
Where? Explain it to my thoroughly, since you have the audacity to talk down to me.
What is /pol/'s view on gay sex? Is it degenerate? Would you disown an offspring who turned out to be homosexual?
>>71884386
Where? Explain it to me thoroughly, since you have the audacity to talk down to me.
>>71884460
>Claiming victory without foundation, for anon, just because he believes the same I do
Yet some comments ago someone was claiming moral superiority for atheists
>>71884537
Good for you. That's not evidence for God tho.
>>71884656
It's whatever. I wouldn't do it but I also am a normal person and don't subscribe to the degeneracy meme. I wouldn't disown a gay son or daughter, that's horrible.
>>71882545
We already have the almighty Kek.
>>71884683
You know it's a victory because you've gone into damage control meme mode.
>>71874255
what if I believe Gods exist?
>>71882884
>children breathe air, therfore breathing air is childish
No.
>believing something like fairytales is childish
Believing in fairytales in childish.
But soft, why does this make sense, but not the other? Thats because this one is what children do.
>>71884876
What gods?
>>71884975
All the Greek, Roman, Nord Pantheons, I believe they're all one in the same, just different names for them mainly
>inb4 larpagan
ok thx
>>71884650
>>71884670
Do you want me to explain it twice, too?
Anyway: Your initial assertion relied on faulty logic. I showed that your logic was faulty by applying it to more concrete subject matter. Particularly, you argued "Children are manipulated to believe in God, so adults who believe in God do so because they think like children". I applied this same logic, that being the logic of "Children do this, so adults who do this are children" to the situation of breathing air. Of course, all humans breathe air, so anyone can see that the commonality is useless. After doing so, I put forward three circumstances which contradict your narrative that theist adults are only theistic because they are childish. I put forward the fact that people sometimes change religions, create new religions, or abandon religions entirely.
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httttttttttttp://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php
If you don't believe in God, at the very least, read this. It's short, concise, and logical.
>>71874337
You're a sinner. Biblical God would punish the shit out of you.
>>71884939
No, the second one "makes sense" to you because you allow your bias to override your sense of logic. You have preconceived notions about "fairytales" that fill in the logical gaps for you.
>>71884493
>A God is way different than believing there is a cyborg pony or a unicorn because neither of those things are known to break the laws of science
Okay i'll say my cyborg pony exist with no creator or something thus breaking the law of cause and effect, what's the difference now?
>A god is known to be a scientifically "impossible" being
There's no "scientifically impossible", it's just that through lots of observation and experimentation we've arrived at some conclusions and assume those apply to the whole universe because we can't go testing them everywhere. The "laws of science" are always open to change if they are proven to be wrong or incomplete.
>Trying to find proof of something you cant use the scientific methood to prove is irrational and stupid
Like i said before science is by no means static and definitive, but so far we've got no proof (i.e no compelling reason) to believe in the existence of God, so our best shot is to stay skeptical unless we find something in the future.
You're trying to logically justify believing in something with no reason because we don't know better, you're not that different from the abbo believing that droughts were caused by mother earth being angry because they didn't know how climate changes worked
>>71884939
Let me ask you something
Do you believe in the SJW boogeyman?
How about Koch brothers?
The Joos?
>>71885126
I mean that's cool, do you have some ritual?
ITT: There is literally ZERO evidence that supports your specific deity. And religion is spiritual.
What I fail to comprehend, is why are you obligated to be submissive to this specific god? What if you are wrong? There have been thousands of other deities, the holy text are not eye witness accounts either; the oldest carbon dated scripture dates back before other ancient religions.
>>71885237
I have no idea what those things are other the the Koch brothers. I don't believe in things, nor do I put faith in things. I research so I know things.
>>71885254
every once in a while I'll go camp in the woods for a few days, usually just try to live off the land, sometimes go with one or two other people.
nothing super formal though
Did anyone, scientist or priest, ever actually explain how the brain transforms electric pulses into images, sounds, thoughts? Not which area does what but how it does it? The hard problem of neuroscience is nowhere close to be solved, I believe it never will be.
>>71884864
>Muh christianity is a religion of cucks, atheism is the true alpha enlightenment redpill
>Why is modern atheist Europe collapsing over it's hedonistic foundations?
>Uhm well muh atheists are smarter: X and X and X were atheists
>That makes you automatically smart too?
>Well there is a passage on the bible that says *proceeds to cherry picking in old testament* HOW CAN YOU BE MORAL LULZ? SUCH BLOOD SUCH BARBARIC
>Weren't you saying christianity is cucked a bit ago?
>Victory! Victory for le lebbit army once again
>Inbait victory
>Christians btfo
>lulz yeah
*proceeds to screenshot and chop-off the parts with arguments and questions that doesn't fit his narrative*
*shares on r/atheism*
>>71885403
You put your faith in what you research and believe it to be true. So you are wrong.
>>71885433
I like it dude.
>>71885204
What are these preconcieved notions?
You are trying to make an analogy that does not work, because cellular respiration is not something that only an immature individual would do. Maturity is subjective, if I say something is immature, some may be entitled to disagree. However being easily manipulated is something weak-minded individuals do, I can say you are weak minded. You are easily manipulated completely believing in something with no evidence for it.
>>71885623
No I usually look at both sides, and it is easy to see what is irrational. I'm not going to believe in something you tell me to because you fail to explain why I should, or even provide credibility that I can based my knowledge on.
>>71885744
The entire point of the analogy IS that cellular respiration is normal. I just explained this to you. Get over the fact that your logic is so demonstrably faulty. If you can't demonstrate that you understand what I'm trying to do with this then don't expect a conversation to me. It would be like propositioning someone for a discussion in broken English.
/pol/ is currently in the second of Kierkegaard's stages; the ethical, advocating for virtuous living, family values and not being a degenerate dindu. When will /pol/ make the existential leap, and realize that faith is a matter of choice?
>>71885623
>I research abiogenisis
>since I put faith in it while researching abiogenisis is wrong
>I research how stars are made
>since I put faith while I did this stars are not made the way astronomy tells us.
>>71874255
Christianity is one of thousands of religions. It was not the first. It will not be the last. It did not invent morality or commandments from God. There is no proof for many of the claimed events in the Bible. They are just fantasy. Heaven and hell are designed to get people to behave without having to explain morality to them.
>Don't murder, cuck, etc., and you'll get into heaven, a place that we cannot prove exists, but you should just believe in anyway.
>Our version is totally correct and everyone else is misled.
By saying that God is immaterial, not only have you diverged from the source text, but you have admitted his existence cannot be proven and there is no point in asking.
The reason we are seeing a departure from traditional moral values right now is because the only thing most Christians can say to back them up is "It says so in the Bible."
So people just assume it's like all the other absurd claims and ditch it.
Throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Christians dropped the ball.
It's really amusing when people with hentai images and other degenerate stuff claim they are Christian because any respectable God would send them to hell.
>>71885515
Smart man.
Every atheist /pol/ack degenerate acts all tough calling for a second holocaust, then cries that a few thousand baby sacrificing faggots were killed by their creator in the Old Testament. Sometimes I wish God would kill more degenerates, desu. Worlds getting too crowded, they need to see their ultimate spiritual destiny quicker. I won't inflict it cuz I'm not a degenerate. so I hope God does. He created them after all.
>>71885979
Believing in something that does not have any evidence is not rational or normal. It is idiotic. How are you even sure which religion is right? They all have equal evidences, or in other words they are all bogus. Believing like this is not normal. I know that species gradually change over time. We know this for fact there is evidence for it overwhelmingly. And if you know of no evidence do a simple Wikipedia data mine. Now having evidence we KNOW it is true. I can saying the flying spahghetti monster exist, but I have no evidence so what would you say?
>>71886093
>b-but Anon, my beliefs are about morality even though a decent portion encourages things that are not ethical, such as abortion, murder, human sacrifice, revenge, genocide, rape, and mutilation.
only thing i believe in is these trips
>>71886699
Triple doubles, kill yourself
>>71886377
Thank you for shifting to another point entirely. Honestly, it makes me sound pompous but I really was getting tired of that old one.
In accordance with the scientific method, one cannot ever disprove the existence of something. Hence that denouncing the very belief of something that can't be observed is foolish. If there really were an omniscient, omnipotent, perfect god that created the earth and humanity, while intending completely to give them the means to be saved and leaving it up to their character as to whether they are or not, then why on earth would such a God be observable? To put it more plainly: A God that does not desire to be observed would not be readily observable. In such a situation, your perception of things would be exactly identical to how it is now. That alone should prove to you that the way you act is wrong. The only logical course of action is to approach all religion with common sense, knowing full-well that the truth may be far beyond your comprehension. Your attempt to somehow "disprove" theism is entirely misplaced.
>>71886369
Prove that god created man.
>>71878805
Witnessed.
>>71886839
I believe science has disproved religion because religion has been proven to be incorrect. Plants did not form before the sun, nor did planets. How do I know this? A planets form from the star dust debris that is left over from proto-stars. How do we know this? We have observed it occur multiple times. Consensus? Planets form from stars. So we have just proved the bible wrong. Why am I going to trust on omnipotent omnipresent omniscient supernatural being, if he does not even understand how the universe works. Why should I even trust what he ever says? This theory that he does not want to be seen is absurd. It is known as special pleading.
>>71887235
>Plants did not form before the sun
lol he thinks a allpower full god need the power of the sun to grow plants
>>71887235
Religion has never been proven to be incorrect. It is merely that, on occasion, the beliefs sponsored by the religious establishment have been proven wrong. Even if the core of a religious belief were to be somehow proven wrong, which would never happen given that they particularly deal in what cannot be observed, it still wouldn't invalidate religion. It would only invalidate that one particular belief. Your entire understanding is faulty.
To your example: Philosophers throughout history have always believed that God created the various intricate systems that bring reality to function. A perfect God wouldn't just leave it up to magic, now would he? As Kepler said: "Geometry, coeternal with God and shining in the divine Mind, gave God the pattern... by which he laid out the world so that it might be best and most beautiful and finally most like the Creator.".
>>71875218
>word spaghetti therefore god
>>71875772
On mobile, what flag?
>>71887867
>>71887235
>2 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
and to proof my point within the bible it self
>>71879760
>Might as well worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster
The meme is real
>>71888503
El Salvador
>>71888851
Forgot meme
>>71887867
Plants cannot survive with photosynthesis
>>71888968
Without*
>>71887235
So I guess we will just ignore the parts of the Bible that made controversial, scientific claims and turned out to be true, like that the oceans have land formations underground equivalent to the formations on the earth or that air has weight?
>>71887868
That does not prove your God, I could just as easily replace "God" with "Flying Spaghetti Monster" and still have the same effect.
>>71889078
>oceans have land formations underground that are identical above ground. Well I'd say so they are composed of the same thing with the same tectonic forces apply to the both. Air having weight can be observable with simple chemistry and bouyancy. Humans even without our current technology can figure this out, and does not prove YOUR god exist
>>71889084
Burden of proof fallacy, yawn. I don't need to "prove" "my" God. My religious beliefs are irrelevant. I only care about calling out faulty logic.
https://youtu.be/ZFrkjEgUDZA>71888758
>using the bible to prove your argument.
Watch this 10 minute video that will explain how much of a fool you look like.
>>71885155
>bible
>reality
pick one faggot
>>71888968
n the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.= photosynthesis
>>71889338
Okay, my logic is faulty. So basically, you can deny everything in the bible, and still de a devout Christian. In the same book where it tells you how to live your life, is where it says man came from dust, or all animals came to Earth in their present form, unchanged, unrelated even though there is evidence that proves otherwise.
>>71889509
Read further faggot, it does not even say stars yet. Which light? Photosynthesis doesnt use gamma rays
Orthodox is literally a recipe for world peace and the construction of a utopian society
>>71889338
You pick at faulty logic yet do not even bother with your own, contrary to your religious beliefs. Somewhere in the bible it says, paraphrased by me, Do not offer a rag for someone to wipe their face, if you have dirt smeared all over your own. A logical fallacy literally is, a faulty way of thinking.
>there's people ITT ignoring the fact that we are living in God.
>>71889812
>tfw there are people who undoubtedly believe their religion is the correct one.
>>71889625
god is light god is the sun faggot see >>71888758
In the beginning God created the heaven=universe
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
>and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:. He made the stars also
>>71889914
>>71889555
I never said anything about being a devout Christian or how to live your life. Or the Bible.
>>71889807
Why do you so incessantly choose to associate religious beliefs with me, knowing entirely that I have espoused none of them? You're far too eager and completely caught up in the over-arching nature of the topic at hand. Simply put: Blinded by greed. You're so eager to dispute this grand topic that your head is in the clouds and you aren't thinking clearly.
If you're going to attribute a religion to me, call it the Following of Common Sense.
>>71890023
ebin
>>71890017
>God is the Sun
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT STOP INTERPRETING IT TO YOUR OWN CONSENT
REEEEEEEEE
>>71890033
I associate religion with you because you are defending it
>>71890333
Yet you associate specific religions with me for no reason.
>>71890259
i am not it reads right here in the same bible
2 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
>no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it,
have you made enough money for that gay blowjob shill?
>>71890396
>for no reason
who do you think God is?
Vishnu? Because you have been mentioning "God".
>>71889338
>>71886839
Im not exactly going to asume you are a hindu.
Where did I specifically include you into Christianity.
>>71890522
>23
As you can see, the Sun is not associated with God's light. They are two different things.
>>71890634
In the two posts you cite I specifically say things like "A God" and "Such a God". You can even see in the one ending in 6839 that I was unsure of whether to capitalize it, refraining from doing so at the first instance and then doing so at the second and third.
I have not said anything wrong.
>>71890522
God does not make the crops grow. By this logic God is capable of emitting photons, how is he emiting photons?
>inb4 cuz he is God
>tfw theists can never form a competent argument
>>71890834
Where have I specifically associated you with Christianity? Even then, why are you surprised, and how is this relavent to the argument of proving that god exist
>>71890887
>God does not make the crops grow
Actually, if God set about the process by which crops grow, and had the power to stop it, then he would in fact be making the crops grow.
>>71890972
Whenever you associate me with a religion, I say so. Do not try to rope me into arguments that I have not made. Do not act as though I have this odd burden of proof that you are fixated upon. Have some humility and put yourself in perspective already.
>>71890522
Bring up the part where they have snakes talk. Snakes are incapable of communicating with a vocal language.
>>71891121
Since that snake is literally the fucking devil, I should think that he should be able to muster a voice.
>>71891040
Evidence for this claim?
>>71891159
No evidence is needed for simple logic.
