People have been arguing this since the end of WW2, so let's settle it once and for all. Is Fascism a far-right ideology, or does it not fall on any side of the political spectrum?
To me, the only people saying it isn't far right are moderate conservative pussies.
>national socialism
>socialisim
Its left.
The only thing in common for the right and national socialisim is the tendancy to militarize
>>71838455
And the entire social order. Just small things like that.
I'll take the third position for 600 Alex.
Fascist is just a swear word lefties use to smear everything they don't like. It's like being called a nazi because you dared to suggest that borders should be enforced.
>>71838455
What
National socialism is a right wing ideology.
Fascism could be both.
It's an arbitrary question, but fascism is certainly a right-wing ideology. It's just a European variant.
In the 20s and 30s, there was in general more belief in the validity of "socialism" as a viable ideology, so the Nazis and Mussolini adopted many of their tenets, and in some ways a few of their policies.
However, the racialism, hierarchical belief system, authoritarianism, lack of belief in individual rights, general deference to industry and at least tacit acceptance of capitalism, an the war-mongering, all strike me as more right-wing ideas.
It's not on the 'left/right' political spectrum, its not even third position, it is above all of that
Most of the right are staunchly free market, libertarian, individualists so what the fuck do you think
>>71838713
>Socialism is right wing
Epic
Why do you idiots fail to have even a basic understanding of politics? Why the fuck are you here?
Left and right are just arbitrary labels used to put completely unrelated opinions into two separate groups. If you accept these labels then the most accurate description of National Socialism is it being a socially right-wing and economically left wing ideology.
>>71838925
by today's standards perhaps, but what about the extreme belief in war as a purifying force, in supporting the traditional monarchies and industries of their nations, etc, the persecution of gays and deviants and extremely harsh stance on criminal activity. These are right-wing positions through and through.
Free markets, libertarianism, and individualism is just as easy to associate with leftist thought.
We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century."
Fascism is really not on the scale that the US uses.
Its more of Communism vs LIberalism vs Fascism in terms of ideology. These world views aren't exactly on a spectrum. Though they literally sat on the right side of the chambers to the right of the reactionary/right wing politicians so they are right wing.
Fascism is ultimately the final form of any right wing government just as communism is really the end game of democractic socialist.
Hitler uses the word socialist to attract workers not in any way related to the marxist way.
>>71838713
>being this retarded
>>71839137
"We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century."
Benito Mussolini Himself calls it right wing.
>>71838455
Wtf are you on about? Fascism and national socialism are far right ideologies.
Economically it tends more to the left(understood in modern terms) but as for the rest it's overall right, if you want to project it unto such a trivial axis.
As someone who has done extensive research on fascism as an ideology, I can tell you that it all boils down to this:
Implementing economic policies attributed to both socialism and capitalism in order to achieve autarky. These economic aspects borrow from national syndicalism as both the proletariat and bourgeoisie are recognized and work in synergy BUT are enforced through an elitist government against egalitarianism and liberalism.
This puts fascism AND national socialism in the center of the economic spectrum and to the extreme right on a traditional Libertarian - Authoritarian spectrum.
Hitler despised both western capitalism and bolshevik socialism, but he welcomed what he reffered to as "productive socialism & capitalism"
I have thought this about little. I think socialism only works in national sense. Pro communists are usually confronted by the fact that their socialism is long list of failures and big number of corpses. But they always defend: "they just did it wrong, now we do it right". There has not been lot of public talk about national socialism. Because there is such a huge connection with 1940's and germany, so its taboo. And people always associate national socialism with racism and genecide and such things. So talking about it is no no.
Finland is very patriotic, in some sense almost nationalistic. And we have welfare system, some might describe it as socialistic. That has been for citizen of finland. So maybe Finland actually has been the working national socialistic country. And I would say that nordic welfare states actually are in some sense light version of national socialism. Benefits for citizens, so that they dont starve to death and such.
Ofcourse leftist have tried to undermine this for a while. Undermine national culture, trying to hand citizenships like candies. They have idea that all poor people of world should benefit from our welfare system, global socialism. But it cant handle that burden and its squeeking.
So maybe there has been national socialist countries, the nordic countries. Just not labeled as such. And now they are coming to their end as leftist are trying to change it to global socialism. But socialism only appears to work under national level.
