If college becomes completely free tomorrow, what will the short and long term effects be?
Planet of the Apes
It will be like Canadas health care.
You'll have to wait 1-2 years for your schooling to be scheduled
Everybody will have 25 years long childhood...and then be surprised immigrants from countries where people mature up earlier are their bosses when they apply for an entry level job.
>>71837899
Pretty much this
>>71837426
>free
There's that word again.
>>71837721
are you fukin serious m8
>>71837721
>moohammid is black
I have no problem with this. It would explain everything
>>71837426
It will be like college and healthcare in canada, long wait times for everything and the quality of education will go to lowest common denominator like quality always does when you take the money out, with the exception of ivy league schools for the elites of the political class and their friends all colleges and universities will have the same kind of education standards you get in highschool, just like canada.
I quit uni 2 years in because it was adult daycare for privlidged manchildren and started a buisness. in the 4 years since then all the people i knew in school have had problems finding work with the exception of an engineer. because employers care about what you're capable of producing not what a piece of paper says you did for 4 years.
>>71837426
>Actually, you're both.
>>71837426
College degrees will be devalued like in China. There's a whole generation of young Chinese adults who have degrees but they can't find work.
>>71837426
>free
There's that word again.
you conservashits are so predictable.
education is bad
peace is bad
living wages, bad
you miserable fucks are just against everything
It'd just mean that you'd need a masters for what you used to need a normal degree for
>>71838841
Not an argument
You are customers. If you pay, you're the customer.
You may also be students, but that doesn't change the above fact.
>If college becomes completely free tomorrow, what will the short and long term effects be?
Short term: A lot higher expenditures. Colleges will be quick to jack up prices.
Mid term: Degree requirements will further increase. Degree value will decrease along with it.
Long term: Degree difficulty will decrease, as it's more profitable to just pass everyone than to sort out people before they graduate. Degree value will further decrease. College ends up being the new highschool, but it comes at a price that's far out of proportion to the additional knowledge learned.
>>71837426
If college became free then no one would have to pay for college
>>71838476
Free education works well for germany anon.
It was free since 40 years and we have the worlds best engineers and the german diploma had big international recognition.
You just need to filter people along the way so not anyone can go to university/college.
Our schoolsystem filters people after elementary school into 3 different tiers.
Only the people who went into the first tier can later go to university after their school degree.
The other two school degree types cant.
>>71838841
I'm certain you're bait, but I'll bite.
>education is bad
No it isn't. Public education that panders to the lowest common denominator is bad. It lowers the standards for everyone involved, and teachers never get fired from positions. This devalues HS and College degrees because every moron can get one.
>peace is bad
Generally yes, but war/violence is sometimes a necessary evil to ensure peace in the future, see WW2.
>living wages, bad
If someone is so dumb that their only available job is bagging groceries or flipping burgers and they CANNOT move up the ladder, they should not be having children or raising a family.
>>71839262
what are the 3 tiers? can you explain Germany's school system, it sounds based as fuck
>>71839379
Everyone goes to elementary school, that is 4 years.
Then it splits into
>hauptschule -> the really bad/slow/dumb students go here in big cities those are filled with immigrants to the brim and probably the most unsafe place to apply as a teacher
>realschule -> not retarded but not quite clever or ambitious enough to become academics, the degree is "mittlere reife"
>gymnasium -> people who later probably become academics go here the degree is called "abitur"
There are a lot of ways to catch up later though, you still can do your abitur later via some alternate roads if you went to haupt or realschule so its infact a very fair system if you are motivated. (what you get then is called "fachabitur" and is slightly less worth than a real one)
The problem i feel right now is that it became to easy to get an "abitur" and the rate of people that have one trippled in the last 10 years.
Well only if you have an "abitur" you can study at a university. Universities are split into "Fachhochschulen" and real universities.
A "Fachabitur" only allows you to apply for the former ones. And those are generally easier and less academic than real universities and more for "practical" people.
I probably missed some stuff, but thats the short version.
>>71837426
don't you need good grades in order to get into college ? and I imagine the classes would be the same size.
so the entry bar would go up I guess ?
in Israel, the government subside the universities so you pay less but you need good grades in order to learn there. if you don't have good grades you go to a college which cost more.
in the end of the line when it come to a resume university > college .
>>71837721
WE WUZ SENT BY GAWD AND SHIEEET
>>71839379
We have 4 years of elementary school.
After that, the children get a recommendation for one out of three kinds of schools. One for stupid shits, which is more geared towards preparing for trades, one for normal kids, preparing them for a non-college white collar apprenticeship, and one for the smart ones, either also resulting in an apprenticeship, or in college. Depending on which of those you attend, you're going to leave school after a total of 9/10/12 years respectively.
That's how you sort the stupid or unwilling kids out, and don't hold the smart ones back. Hence, college can focus on the best students, while the rest doesn't have the pressure to attend college to begin with, and can still have a good life after picking up a trade/going through an apprenticeship. We're lucky that we still have our trade system, where companies essentially continue to educate graduates for three years, and then they get a standartized "degree" in their field, tested by a state organization.
Of course, the paths aren't locked, and a lot of children end up moving between schools, getting higher degrees later in life, etc.
The problem with the system is parents - everyone wants their kids to attend the high tier schools, and schools are more and more caving in to the pressure, admitting more people to the high tier schools than they should, dragging down the overall level.
And some states don't follow the separation system at all, they have their own "just pretend all children are equal" system.
>>71839262
>Free education works well for germany anon.
do you have an overwhelming number of gender studies and faggot histories majors?
>>71840380
I dont actually know the numbers for those, but i dont feel like we do.
I think society as a whole acknowledges those as bogus degrees so people dont go for them.
>>71837721
WE WUZ PROPHETS AND SHIEET
>>71839379
He is spouting bullshit.
Germany is a federal state with sixteen states - EVERY STATE HAS ITS OWN EDUCATION SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM HE EXPLAINS WITH THE "THREE TIERS" DOES ONLY EXIST IN FOUR STATES ANYMORE.
>>71839262
>free
>You just need to filter people along the way so not anyone can go to university/college.
that would never be allowed here even tho it makes total sense
it would also be called racist immediately
>>71840108
Same as Aust. Uni is subsidised by our govt so it's about 25k for a degree and it's automatically taken from our wages by the govt when we earn over 40k per year.
It's fair because it costs just enough that people value education, but not too expensive that people become debt slaves.
>>71841009
Would you mind telling me which, or rather which ones have apparently lately abolished it? Because from what I've found, it's still about half of them.
>>71841171
I'm afraid that's why it won't last much longer here either.
>>71841009
What?
They all have those or am i completely wrong here?
Every state has an "abitur"
>>71837426
You'd have a shitload of people who would be willingly extrend their college time to years, just because they can and enjoy the lifestyle.
You'd have a lot of hate, because free college from now on doesn't nullify the debt of the fromer students, who would feel betrayed.
You'd have more and more people who would go far the fastest degree there is, just because muh education.
You'd also see a drop in educational quality, if that's even possible.
>>71837426
col. sanders isnt going to win. hes to damn old and to fucking creepy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSBFTKI-zIM
>>71838841
You liberalesbians are so predictable
war is peace,
freedom is slavery,
ignorance is strength
you miserable fucks are just againest the party
>>71837426
Just as it happens in third world shitholes, colleges will be overrun by immature, ungrateful commies. Oh wait, that is already the case.
>>71837426
I was looking into going back to college, but the shills who try to sell you their school are doing just that....trying to sell you something.
They'll lie and promise all this crap and job placement programs after you graduate and shit, but just a quick search of most of the colleges here will show that these recruiters are paid based on how many students they get to sign up and stay in school for at least their first course.
I'd like to get a degree but i just don't know what school i can trust.
Making college free isn't the answer, but there has to be something better than what we currently have.
>>71837426
Long term
>Better upwards social mobility
>Better output
>Money
Short term
>Lot of Money
>Surge of students
>People will try to abuse the system
If you set the rules right so they choose students solely for their intelectual capabilities it will be a benefit.
>Free
If we throw them a bone and say they can magically make education, as it currently is without other price hikes, free then for a majority of people it stops mattering and becomes worthless.
Ever see the differences between people in college who pay themselves vs. the ones with free rides? Night and day. You have a couple exceptions where someone got a scholarship for their academic abilities or someone who got help from a good parent who still appreciate and understand the value of what they're doing, but generally no one getting a free education appreciates it.
If you pay, you pick the classes that are relevant, if you have extra class spots maybe the ones that will help your career or ones that just genuinely interest you and always wanted to try. You go to those classes, you use the academic resources available to you, you learn and make the money spent worth something.
If it's free and you don't already have integrity, you pick easy classes, you slack off, you leave those extra slots open or blowoff classes so you can rush them and party with all that extra free time, or you go for a Doctorate in Hurt Feelings and spend all your time ruining things for others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-vxTuA3Wt4
>>71837426
long term the system would not be supportable
>>71837426
The salaries will decrease.
That happened in Brazil after the "degrees boom"
>>71837426
You will pay more tax.
Universities will need to make severe (pre-)selections, especially for high demanded graduations.
Ivy League will change its status and make a deal with the state/government to remain private.
That's it.
The sure thing is if you don't change something with student loans you will have a new economic crisis.
>>71837426
>we are students, not customers
in reality they are both. education is the product as you pay for it.
>>71837426
a lot of really really really stupid people in community college, and that's just the professors
>>71843268
>you pick easy classes
Most of classes are compulsory, those you add on the top are just voluntary ones. You know these that are not relevant to your degree, but that genuinly interest you and you no longer need to consider the cost.
>you slack off
Doesnt matter as long as you can pass the requirments at the end of the semester.
>Doctorate in Hurt Feelings
If there is too much of them, you just raise the bar. btw these are the cheapest ones
>>71839262
Your public education system works well in general, which is why we modeled all of our K-12 schooling after your system.
It didn't translate so well, I doubt college will fare any better.
>>71837426
Continued move to online courses. Eventually have only the 10 best professors in any given subject.
http://www.openculture.com/freeonlinecourses
>>71837721
>James Arthur Wacissman
kek
>>71839262
>Only the people who went into the first tier can later go to university after their school degree.
>The other two school degree types cant.
Jesus that's fucking terrible.
What about children with bad home lives? They're just fucked because they don't have the right background to succeed that early?
>>71837426
Nothing education-related, because modern college does not educate people on anything useful anywhere.
The biggest effect will be that people will stay without work till their mid-20`s and the age-separation will increase, due to system of classes, where people with different age have no ground to communicate to each other.
Now it`s only until 17`s.
>>71837426
Well you'll become more like us, South Canada.
>>71838476
>starting a business
Man I'm jelly anon, wish I had the drive and persistence.
'Free' college would be like highschool quality since they'd have to pay for less-qualified 'professors', material, etc. all while putting more qualified ones out of jobs, and cause hundred of thousands to enter into careers that will only get them as good as fast food service. Oh, and tax payers will pay for it all. Sounds great.
>>71837426
They would have to cull the makority of worthless courses for education to balance its budget, but they won't do this so the whole system will just snowball into the kind of mess that gave us the 2008 crash
>>71844577
Kids with bad home lives are fucked anyhow, Germany merely drops the charade and doesn't fleece them with for-profit college.
>>71837426
It will be like the Chinese system.
The government gives you a standardized test for admittance (which can only be taken once).
If you pass, the government decides your degree and university.
If you don't, you get to become a peasant.
>>71837426
Same effect it's had here - Overeducated population with no actual jobs available and people who won't settle for less than what they went to college for, imagine the idea that is currently being sold to kids that "if you go to college you'll get jobs instantly!" x10.
Have fun.
>>71845209
>If you don't, you get to become a peasant.
That would only work in China because they're all Chinese. Punishment for not passing would be raycis, so you would get to be a kang.
>>71845209
What will be done about the racism of standardized tests?
>>71844577
kids with bad home lives aren't ready for college.
>>71837426
Wait wait wait...
Can't the government just put some quotas on the number specialists needed by the market (for ex. 300,000 STEM, 500,000 business etc. and 100,000 lib arts) and give 100% tuition (basically free education) to people who have high enough scores in a national ranking (score made out of 100 test questions on the subject +essay +SAT scores for ex). That way retards and nigs will forever dwell in the lower classes and smart but financially disadvantaged kids will get a chance at life for once.
>>71837426
Degrees become worthless and markets become over saturated.
>>71845531
>racism of standardized tests
Don't consider race on the tests.
If I don't know what race you are, how can I discriminate against you?
>>71845531
Affirmative action is bullshit, never understand how it makes sense.
The test is not discriminatory.
>>71837426
They are fucking customers. They are buying a service to improve their lives.
>>71837426
Tax payers pay a bunch of time wasters and morons who want to us to pay for them to sit in Art and Philosophy classes before ultimately ending up flipping burgers.
>>71846802
That is how liberals shoehorn niggers and women and morons into places they don't belong.
NASA administrators recently apologized for the old pictures of white males that did the moon landings and such saying they didn't understand about diversity was our strength and other crap. Now NASA's primary job is to make muslims feel good about themselves.
Look at Yahoo! - once a great thriving company started by men with no affirmative action - now run by women and minorities and it is falling apart.
>>71837426
College is more than free to me. I get free tuition and am almost done with my bachelors. Also get about a 1600 dollar straight cash injection. All you need to do is keep a good GPA and sign up for financial aid.
It's like being a neet, but better.
>>71837721
AYO
*Meditates in the cave of Hira*
SO U BE SAYIN
*conquers mecca*
HOL UP
*marries 9yo*
SO U WAS SAYIN
*reveals quran*
WE WUZ PROPHETS N SHIIEEEET
>>71845970
>degrees are only worth something because a lot of people are unable to get them
do you not see how this line of thinking is kind of stupid in the first place? technology will bridge this gap, but the the economy and law need to actually let it happen
>short
DUDE
>long
college degrees become as common as high school degrees and no longer are prestigious
>>71837426
>If college becomes completely free tomorrow, what will the short and long term effects be?
Enlistments in the military would dry up since thousands of young adults wouldn't need to sell their soul to Uncle Sam for an education
>>71837426
More kikes that you cannot fire no matter what.
More national and personal debt.
Even more cultural Marxism.
Even more niggers, spics, and white trash with a false sense of intelligence/education.
>>71844521
James Edgar Wacismann
>>71847254
No. I don't. Otherwise I wouldn't be posting it.
How will technology bridge whatever gap you're referring to? And what do you even mean 'the economy' and the 'the law'
It's not hard to think about why more degrees means they're worthless.
If there are 10 people who know how to do a thing, and there's 11 companies who need a person with that knowledge, then they have to offer more money to entice them to work for them.
If there's now 20 people and still only 11 companies suddenly now the employee has to fight to get hire. It's really simple supply and demand. Higher supply, lower price.
>>71847254
>I don't know what scarcity is
Learn economics retard
>>71837426
>niggers will still fail out
>even more white people will go to college and succeed while niggers just drop out like they do in other forms of free schooling
>lefties on suicide watch
>"b-but muh racisms"
>liberal arts majors still can't get jobs
>STEM fields explode
>new renaissance of white, educated, intelligent voters begins to pull the country's head out of its ass
>niggers still living in dark ages
>further study confirms they're not even humans
>mfw ghettos become actual zoos
>Short term
Big influx of people who would have otherwise never seen a University from within
>Midterm
The drop out quote will increase about 250%
Some of above will succeed (lets assume 2%)
and be shown as posterchilds.
>Longterm
Free university is good because above (empirical and advertising studies prove it)
Influx of people and the drop out rate will become stable at some point and I would
assume the number of success stories will also increase.
But its far more important is, that it will create a narrative where good education =/= to big
budget, what means good arguments against public or private funding. This will lead to less
money for good teachers and no budget for research which will lead to a reduction of tha
quality needed to get a university degree.
Welcome to Continental Europe, where even Mohmed who don't speak local language gets
a Master degree.
>>71837426
I will snatch every motherfucker birthday
>>71847812
It's all about basing entry on performances and not money.
In France medical school is almost free (400 euros a year), but selection rate is 1/12, and we still have excellent doctors and good publications:
http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php?area=2700&category=0®ion=all&year=all&order=it&min=0&min_type=it
We even export a lot of searchers in US, because funds and internationality.
>>71837426
not much besides women getting yet ANOTHER FREE LUNCH
>>71837426
Even here it's not completely free.
>>71837426
I actually think it's a good idea. They will have a lot less leverage over the institutions if its a free public service.
>>71837426
I'd drop out, and just teach myself.
>>71849612
No educational institution in America can run on prices like that, and despite what people may think, the federal government doesn't have to money to sustain said institutions - unless you raise taxes across the board, of course. I don't want to pay more in taxes so somebody else's kid can go get an, ultimately, worthless degree.
>>71847237
underrrated
>>71837426
1. it becomes worthless, because everyone could have it at $0, even if you had just finished paying $120,000 the year before to get yours
2. all curriculums contain whatever the government wants them to, and do not contain whatever the government does not want them to, because the government is the actual buyer of the good
3. no one is intelligent enough to notice 1 or 2 anymore, and even if they did, they don't have the information/knowledge with which to explain what has happened (they would have learned that in college)
>>71837426
You could probably learn everything you could need to know on the internet for free.
You can even take the exams online for a one-time fee.
These people are getting in debt tens of thousands of dollars in exchange for a piece of paper.
>>71837426
Short term, you won't have to pay tomorrow. Long term, you still won't have to pay in 5 years.
>>71850740
A medical degree is not an "ultimately, useless" degree m8. I'm all for telling leeches who want underwater basketweaving degrees to fuck off but this would not be a bad system if implemented correctly for things like performance-based entry medical schools. Those going through med school have enough stress laid upon them that they don't need 200k+ student loans hanging over their heads as well.
>>71850952
3a. this >>71850953 except that people intelligent enough and learned enough to articulate the problem were by definition home-schooled, and you fucking chumps will make troll threads about it while rome burns.
>>71851056
Re-read: >"Ultimately worthless"
When an excessive amount of any product exists, the value of that product is lower by default. It's simple economics.
A medical degree isn't useless, but when anybody can obtain one free of charge, the value of that degree is null.
>>71851482
Free or not, it still requires 8-12 years of effort and dedication, and that's not something anyone can do, especially considering they still need to feed and house themselves that whole time.
Water is free, but "simple economics" don't seem to stop Nestle from making millions bottling it.
>>71851482
The value of a degree is not determined by the financial cost required to obtain it, but by the difficulty and usefulness of the knowledge and skills.
>>71851482
>when anyone can get one free of charge
re-read: >"performance-based"
Setting aside the inherent worth of qualified physicians to the public, you blow over the fact that the amount of the product is controlled by number of people who are able to meet the qualifications, which will be controlled.
If people want to make easy money, they don't go to med school.
>>71846835
>an educated people/nation as a whole will not improve my life in any shape or form
uneducated sped detected
>>71837426
>short term
Colleges run out of funds by next spring, unless they have an endownment of over $1 billion USD. Massive shock to the US construction industry as projects are terminated mid project. All for-profit insitutions file for bankruptcy.
>Long term
With a massive education and skills shortage affecting millions, there has likely been either a mass exodus or a revolution.
______
But your question is really fucking stupid and not in the realm of anything that would be done. You can't flip a switch over night on an industry that employs millions of people. If this is some cockamamie thought-experiment you think somehow relates to proposed education reforms, it is so poorly thought out and asinine.
A better, but still unrealistic question would be: What would happen if starting in the Fall 2017 term, all public higher education institutions tuition was made free?
To which the answer would be along the lines of, it depends how much the federal government is willing to kick to the poorer states and universities whose endowments could not cover tuition costs. Public universities are only a medium sized share of US education expenses. Many states have trouble affording the budgets of their universities, but the better institutions rely on endowments from alumni and charitable donations.
All in all, mostly what would happen is a deficit shortage would probably drive the poor states further into poverty and the schools that are on the edge would be forced to close if not bailed out.
>>71840380
You know most of the meme-degrees complained about here don't have UG departments at the universities that receive large subsidization from the government right? People getting UG versions of those degrees have to attend private for-profit schools. The largest % of subsidization goes to:
Top tier State Schools
Top tier non-prodit tech schools
__________________________
Everyone else
__________________________
For-profit art schools
US higher education is one of the few government programs that isn't completely shit at awarding money to the right groups. The schools which get the most funding are non-profits that produce "useful" reaearch, where useful is vaguely defined as helping large special interest business groups get research and development done on the taxpayer expense.
It would be nice if we could recoup some of the money from business entities which profit off this system (ie almost every modern tech startup and finicial institution), but it's still a net gain to the economy
>>71851482
Any English speaker can learn Mandarin free of charge - you think the value is null?
Time and effort count, not just money
>>71844851
>I wish I had the drive and persistence
Have you just tried anon? It's not really that hard if you set goals and reasonable expectations, along with picking an industry where failure isn't more likely than success (most brick and mortar types).
I started my first business in highschool; it was small, but better than working a summer job. Then in Uni I grew my next business during my undergrad years and I now have someone else managing it while I'm in grad school.
I plan on expanding it when I finish my degree and have been making the most of my positions at my uni to get to know as many people as possible. I keep notebooks filled with ideas to start whenever I get time. The hardest thing is just starting, once you get the ball moving, it becomes more reactive.
>>71847237
poo
>>71845910
Maybe. The more likely outcome is lobbyist groups with less razor sharp profit margins can redirect more of their profit into bribing politicians to increase the labor supply of their particular industry at the expense of the wider economy.
>>71847933
Is the value of your language skill based on scarcity? I can assure you, many people can speak english as well or better than you, but I do hope you see some intrinsic worth in your ability to communicate, despite it not being a scare skill.
Since college would be free, you would have people studying shit subjects for a living (at least if you get money for studying like here in Sweden).
You would also attract unmotivated people. If college is free, everyone can apply. If it costs money, only those who truly believe they'll make it will apply since they aren't looking to throw their money away like that.
>>71837426
Everybody will prolong their adolescents well into their 30s. You're fucked.
>ywn be born in a small irrelevant European country with a strong cultural identity and homogeneous population
The US is basically just Mexico-lite at this point.
>>71837721
that would actually not surprise me
it will probably take you longer to graduate, bc more people enrolled means more difficult time getting into some upper level course, also, there will be no financial incentive not to withdrawal from a class, so someone might be getting a barely passing grade at the drop point and just drop, figuring they'll sign up next semester and be able to do better in the class.
>>71854080
fug, wrong thread
>>71837426
>Short term
Everyone already paying for college goes nuts
>Long term
You become Brazil
>>71837426
Someone is eventually going to sue when they realise that their 'study' degree qualifies them to do feck all.
Then the whole thing will collapse and the sackings will start.
>>71838841
> As hominem plus strawman
You're not making an argument here
>>71837426
I've been to both a """free""" and a private university in a STEM-field. The free ones are extremely shitty, they dumb down the requirement of getting a degree so that even the most mediocre can finish, which in the long run makes the degree worthless.
On the other hand, the private ones require that you work your ass off, that you are intelligent, they have better equipment and they are not afraid of kicking you to the curb if you fuck up. But the most important part is that you can major in whatever you want to, in a lot of the free UNIs you can't take certain degrees, like medicine or engineering, if you don't have A's in everything from HS.
>>71845910
Government intervention of that scale tends to ruin economies. Supply and demand decides how many specialists an industry needs, the government arbitrarily deciding that number would be crazy. Also think of the corruption possible in such a system.
>>71837426
Every 2 year degree and most 4 year college degrees will become so devalued that they don't matter in the job market. It will essentially raise the required education from 12 years to 16 years for any kind of white collar job, which will literally affect minorities the most since they are the ones who not only have trouble not dropping out of k-12 but attend college the least (Asians being the only minority to outdo white people).
Since colleges will be completely subsidized by the federal government, they will find ways to cook the books and become a huge financial burden on the country. The irony is that at the same exact time the pay rate of professors is going to plummet to rates on par with elementary and high school teachers due mostly to the devaluing of the entire process.
It will be even tougher to find a job because now employers get to be even MORE selective than they already are now that they can expect a huge number of workers with degrees flooding the market by landslide, raising the barrier of entry of the white collar job market.
All in all, making it easier for people to get degrees without adding a single additional job to the equation will simply devalue the college experience entirely. I've had this debate with BernOuts and their major argument is "since college graduates make more money than non-graduates we should make education free so that more people can get degrees then make more money" but all that will happen is eventually over time the college graduates are going to on average be making less money than the year before, declining every year until it's about as useful as a high school diploma is right now.
The only way State education (or State anything for that matter) will ever work is if the State is willing to discriminate, harshly.
Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.
Complete and Utter COLLAPSE.
Our government cant even justify the spending now, and you know what all the U.S. does is PRINT the money eventually we will hit a tipping point and our dollar will be worthless.
>>71855721
>"since college graduates make more money than non-graduates we should make education free so that more people can get degrees then make more money
This is the same economically illiterate line of thought as "if everyone was making $100/hr, we'd all be rich!"
>>71856086
It's legitimately like liberals are under the impression that the economy is a fixed system where the end result will be the same despite fluctuations with the inputs. They don't realize that manipulating one input will skew an output in a relatively equal but opposite way. They think their 3 years in general ed. classes makes them smarter than economists who have been working on these problems for twice as long as they've been alive, who have 3 times the education.
>>71837426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszlZCdQsuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszlZCdQsuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszlZCdQsuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszlZCdQsuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszlZCdQsuohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JszlZCdQsuo
They are fucked
>>71856718
Jesus Christ, this is fucking depressing.
>>71841724
I'm more of a Brave New Workd kind of guy, but this works too.
>>71851482
You're assuming that medical degrees are easy and that anyone can do it. When restriction of cost is removed it will allow more into the field, but still only those who can actually handle it. The increase in students will allow more weeding out of incompetent ones and lower the cost of of physicians for consumers. in the modern system we need more doctors, plain and simple.
