I'm just gonna leave this here....
> Two male lions show gay ‘pride’ by mounting each other, ignore lionesses
> “According to our guide they had only started their behaviour that same week.
“It is the first time I have seen homosexual behaviour in lions. With the light just around sunset, it gave some spectacular images.
>“One of the lions was wearing a collar and our guide thought that they may have crossed from Namibia.”
>“These males had pushed out the resident males earlier in the year and the other female lions had headed into the Mopani woodlands; an area difficult to access with a safari vehicle,” she added.
>“Only one lioness was seen in the center of the concession where the male lions were and the lions showed no interest in the lioness leading to the assumption that she may have been pregnant,” she added. “It is the first time I have seen homosexual behavior in lions, but when reading about it upon my return, it is not that uncommon. With the light just around sunset, it gave some spectacular images.”
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/16/two-male-lions-show-gay-pride-by-mounting-each-other-to-show-love/?utm_source=ET&utm_medium=ETFB&utm_campaign=portal&utm_content=inf_10_60_2&tse_id=INF_ba5cbfcacfd64a0cbb43d5622a9e91ec
>>71830429
>No, Those Aren't Male Lions Mating. One Is Likely a Female.
>http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160418-lions-mating-africa-animals-science/
>>71830429
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160418-lions-mating-africa-animals-science/
You're late on this.
>>71830429
>Go on website catering to homosexuality and fringe-left
>Find an article that shows homosexuality in positive light
>Gets angry
GOLLY GEE ANON YOU AREN'T SO SMART.
Animals also commit incest, necrophilia, pedophilia and cannibalism.
Stupid fucking SJWs
Don't remember where but I read an article saying it was actually a female lion. The comment section was glorious with SJW losing their shit
Literally why is this news. Male dogs hump each other all the time
>>71830429
>see animals do it so it's natural!!!
Cats and dogs do this all the time. It's not like they are actively trying to be faggots.
I've seen my two male cat trying to bang each other many times and they don't even have balls.
>look, animals do it so it's fine!
fag logic
Now that's what I call a gay pride
By this logic, paedophillia is a-ok because it is seen in the animal kingdom.
I don't think lions have AOC laws, do you?
>>71830509
>>71830511
lol maned lioness, you faggots will believe anything
>animals sometimes eat their babies
We should do that too!
>>71830871
CARLOS!
>>71830429
Properly saged
>>71830871
That pun is already in the OP's pic you fucking wetback
>>71830429
Remember when journalism was actually journalism and not just a series of shit pieced into sentences littered with adjectives?
>>71830871
>>71830429
The rare maned lionesses doesn1t have manes as large as males, that looks like a male.
And he is not in a mating pose, he is just resting, the other is just humping above it's ass.
Stranger things have happened in the animal kingdom.
>>71830511
>Viral pictures of African lions mating likely show a male and a maned lioness, which are common in northern Botswana.
Interesting
>>71830938
>calling people faggots for debunking faggot propoganda
>Gays compare themselves to animals
Great, I've been comparing them to animals for years, it's about time they caught up.
>>71830429
>Just around sunset
>One is wearing a collar
Fabulous
>>71830871
god damnit carlos
Can I pee on poles on the street now? woof woof
>>71831025
this
I can't fap to this
>>71830509
>It's not gay because one of the lions is a trans-male
>>71831077
Except you can literally see the 'females' ballsack. I'm not saying female lions don't have ballsack, I'm just saying that one does....
>moronic liberals in charge of understanding the animal kingdom
Animals have no concept of hetero/homosexuality and humping is an act of dominance for them. They don't even have sex for love or pleasure, it's purely an act of procreation.
keep crying SJWs
>>71830429
>gay pride
Male lions do this to establish dominance. And desu an animal's sexual behaviour is not something people should aspire to.
>>71830429
Male animals hump other males as a sign of dominance, they don't actually butt fuck each other. Dumb fuck liberals
>>71831452
>draws a distinction between human beings and "animals"
Please teach us more about biology, Phil Nye.
fucking jews.
Gorrilas go bananas, but they don't know them bathin' apes.
What's the big deal?
>>71830429
STOP MAKING THIS FUCKING THREAD EVERY HOUR YOU AUTISTIC FAGGOT
ALYSSA IS A NIGGER
>>71830429
don't cats have those creepy spiky bone dicks?
>>71831673
I think that you and dude-nature (>>71831452) should go find out
>>71830429
>all that heterofaggots gone butthurt
Nice.
Trump supports gays too. He even bedn on gay weddings.
Lions are LITERALLY GAY-thing now.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html
You can start killing yourself :^)
>>71831564
Fucking retard. Finish your homework, Timmy.
They said no homo so it doesn't count
So glad Cecil didn't live to see this
>>71831572
>implying he's wrong
>hurrr, the animal kingdom conforms to my sexual centric view of the world!
Go back to your liberal arts degree while steering clear from anything based on science, fucktard.
>>71830745
This. Its not "mating" its dominating/submissive behavior. They are reinforcing social bonds. Lots of animals do this.
Like with dogs there likely isnt penetration, is a display nothing more.
The sjw/jew will stop at nothing to try to legitimize and make seem normal their degenerate ideals.
>>71831794
>Calling hets "heteros"
Would you like a cup of tea, m'lady? Don't forget to put a doily down.
>>71830871
CARLOS
>>71830429
>Two male lions show gay ‘pride’ by mounting each other, ignore lionesses
Holy shit the patriarchy is real where are the Feminists when you need them?
1. One of those lions is actually a maned female
2. Animals are fucking retarded and will hump anything that seems vaguely like a vagina and doesn't try to kill them
>>71831986
Kek
Looks like 2 more for Al's Sanctuary
>>71831452
DELET
>>71830429
didn't read but i already know what it says.
any animal will hump anything. they aren't gay. but gays ARE animals, since they always compare themselves to them.
>>71831452
Dolphins fuck for pleasure
Faggot lions aren't natural and should be shot on sight.
>>71832186
Bud, you're an animal, too. You, lions, manatees and even pugs are all the descendants of these weird-lookin', rat-lizard things that dinosaurs used to eat. You're actually related to your pet dog.
>>71832265
Dolphins are demons, not animals
>>71831673
They have thorns on their dicks that point backwards so if the female tried to run she literally gets torn a new one.
Thats why ops pic isnt sex. No way a male lion would calmly sit there as a spiky dick was being shoved in its ass.
>>71832265
there are only three animals that do. dolphins, humans and certain apes.
>>71832287
ToP KeK
Does anyone have that website about gay lions?
>>71830429
So on a unrelated note how did we end up calling the lion "king of jungle"?
Doesn't live in the jungle and it isn't the king of the regions it does live in, especially the savannah
>>71832450
Here you go, anon: >>>/d/
>>71832265
True but they are one of the few exceptions. Also they are rapists so they are not what we should aspire to.
>>71832355
That's not what they're for, it's to scrape out other male's sperm if they do slopy seconds
>>71831948
Underrated post.
>>71832493
Because Europeans drove lions to extinction, and the only place that still had them, by the time English came about, was "that place with jungles." White people being bad at geography (No srsly: that's the actual reason for it).
>>71831139
we are all animals mate
>>71832699
Wtf
>>71832852
What happens in the jungle stays in the jungle
>>71830509
fpbp
>>71830429
The bottom one turned out to just be a crossdresser btw
Literally bearded lioness
>>71832953
Jesus christ. Go back to b kid.
>>71832699
god damn that asshole looks juicy
>>71830509
>For instance, female spotted hyenas have enlarged clitorises called pseudo-phalluses—which look just like penises but are actually larger. These often erect phalluses allow the females to display dominance and maintain their matriarchal society.
Jesus. So it is real.
>>71830429
This happens all the time with lions.
They even masturbate by lying on their back, bending forward, and rubbing their dick with their front paw. During a female's heat lions will mate about 2.2 times per hour for four or five days straight, without eating. Their life becomes mate as many times as possible, sleep, mate, sleep, mate, sleep, forever. Then they get a two week break and start again. Male lions in a coalition (joint rulership of a pride) usually work in tag-teams because it's so exhausting. So consequently male lions have the libido to match this feverish pace, and in the absence of fuckable female lions they will take advantage of any opportunity.
The real question is why the fuck does anyone think the behaviour of lions is relevant in any way to the vastly more complex issue of homosexual marriage?
Furthermore, male lions may engage in homosexual behaviour but they are certainly not homosexual. If a female in heat wanders into that situation she gon git fucked. The absence of available females is what causes the homosexual behaviour.
Also, because it's undoubtedly come up in this thread
>hurr rape is natural too should we legalise rape
The "homosexuality does occur in nature" argument is a _response_ to the "homosexuality is unnatural" argument of the 70s.
t. furry who spent a few hours researching lion reproduction for a 9,000 word (so far) bestiality fapfiction he is writing
>>71832852
Did you know that eye-focus tracking has been used to measure what men watch, when they look at porn? Turns out that one of the most-arousing images, for heterosexual men, is the sight of another man's erect penis. The working theory is that aroused penises being sexually stimulating, to men, increases sexual competition.
Current findings indicate that homosexuality is just at the extreme-edge of the bell-curve for what makes you the most-successful at being male.
>>71832699
>>71832953
internet will never cease to amaze me
>>71832764
But how did we end up calling them kings?
>>71830429
If only proves animals can have mental illness as well.
Also
>it's a maned lioness
That was considered as a possibility, but male-male lion sexual relations aren't uncommon, and you can clearly see male genitalia on both.
>it's dominance, not sexual
No, it's both. The dominant male is on top, which reinforces the dominance relationship, but what he's attempting to do is very sexual. He wants to fuck something, and in the absence of alternatives his compadre will suffice.
>>71833108
>The real question is why the fuck does anyone think the behaviour of lions is relevant in any way to the vastly more complex issue of homosexual marriage?
because muh naturalistic fallacy
lions and other mammals also kill and eat the children of their wives from previous partners. but nobody's calling for that shit
>>71833265
Oh that. They killed a lot of people in North Africa, back-when. Kings fuck shit up.
>>71833265
man oh man it's good to have opposable thumbs
>>71831399
Fucking a tomboy isn't gay.
Just because she looks like a guy doesn't mean she is trans.
>>71833370
You literally just committed the same mistake that I pointed out in the post you replied to.
Nobody's saying "it's okay because lions do it."
A long time ago, the anti-gays said "homosexuality is unnatural."
This is the response, "no, it's perfectly natural, so your argument is shit.'
You were born in the 90s probably, so missed the first part of the argument. Basically everything you're saying now was said in the 70s. This argument has been had a million times.
>>71833370
>lions and other mammals also kill and eat the children of their wives from previous partners. but nobody's calling for that shit
You have misinterpreted where the relevance of homosexual behavior in animals came from.
It was never an argument that "animals do it, so it's ok!"
For literally millennial, religious organizations have opposed homosexual behavior on the pretext of it being "unnatural." That other animals do it is a refutation of that claim--not a claim that it is, therefore, morally praiseworthy.
>>71833461
So you'd still be straight if you fucked pic-related?
>>71833388
Hippos and Crocodiles fucked up a lot more shit then lions, nobody is calling them kings.
>>71833620
No you faggot, because she is trans.
Fucking a girl who has short hair and wears guy clothes isn't gay, just like how a lion fucking a maned female lion isn't gay.
That IS a male you can see the testicles btw, not some maned female that is extremely rare...
>>71833695
Well, if we're gonna be honest? Egyptians DID think that they were gods.
>>71833557
well you assumed that i agree with the dumb christfag argument that homosexuality is unnatural.
i know it's natural. my argument is that there are tons of other "natural" shit that other animals do, yet we don't do that shit. because we aren't animals, we have the ability to differentiate between right and wrong given to us by the creator
>this topic isn't worthy of serious discussion or examination
>better post it on /pol/ so we can discuss it
>>71833740
>Fucking a woman who took shit-loads of male hormones is gay
>This lion isn't gay just 'cuz he fucked a lady-lion on so many shit-loads of male hormones that she looks like a male lion
The things that you are saying are disagreeing with the justifications for those things that your brain is vainly attempting to construct.
>>71830600
Shhhhh, they want to normalize all that.
>>71832004
This shit also applies to Prisons with Prison rape.
>>71834012
See >>71833620
Was never an argument that "it's natural so it's ok."
Was always just proof that "it's wrong because it's unnatural" was false.
>>71834108
>It's not gay to have sex with men if I get lonely
>>71833744
So what you're basically saying here is that what we've got is a rare fag.
>>71833899
One is a natural process, just like how some women grow darker facial hair.
The other involves surgery and a chemical cocktail.
Stop being such a stupid cuck.
>>71833265
Marketing.
Gotta sell those tickets to the next bout in the coliseum.
I'm not joking. Look it up.
>>71833830
>my argument is that there are tons of other "natural" shit that other animals do, yet we don't do that shit. because we aren't animals, we have the ability to differentiate between right and wrong given to us by the creator
Cool.
It's irrelevant.
Nobody is saying "it's okay because it's natural," so your nuanced and intelligent rebuttal is wholly misguided.
"Homosexuality is unnatural"
"No it isn't here's two lions fucking"
"Well lions rape each other should we do that too?"
That's the progression of the argument. If you don't think homosexuality is unnatural then there is no argument, and nothing more to discuss. The rebuttal is unnecessary because there is nothing to respond to.
>>71834211
So you think that being trans is perfectly natural, is your point?
>>71833083
> futa hyena
>>71833156
to me when i look at a dick in porn it's for a similar reason but not quite that - it's because I am thinking about how badly the woman desires it, the thing i think about most is how much the women wants to fug, and worship the dick. its directly related to me having a 9 inch penis and being so narcissistic about it.
>>71834398
Male hyenas display submission even to new-born females. Young, male hyenas who have yet to go through puberty outrank male-adults by virtue of not-yet being sexualized. The manner in which males display submission to females is by giving their cocks a little lick.
>>71834110
They're still wrong tho.
Animals can have unnatural behaviours too. They're not the peak of natural perfection.
>>71834541
feminists are reborn as hyenas in their next life i see
>>71834258
>If you don't think homosexuality is unnatural then there is no argument, and nothing more to discuss.
except the implication of the article is that >it happens in nature >therefore homosexuality should be acceptable among humans
i mean it's not a fucking coincidence that the article header is "Two male lions show gay ‘pride’". See what i mean?
>>71834523
You actually have no idea why you like the things that you do. It is nearly impossible for human beings to identify our own motivations. In reality? The reason that you do the things that you do is because particular chemicals bounced around your brain in a certain pattern.
>>71834599
That is incorrect. I challenge you to produce a definition of "natural" that includes heterosexual behavior, but discludes homosexual behavior, and does not appeal to your religious beliefs.
>>71834663
I don't understand. Are you implying that I am a typing hyena?
'Cuz it seems like I could make some serious cash, off that.
>>71834778
i think you're thinking way too hard about it
i know exactly why i do that and i just explained it
thats what goes on in my head as I do it, the chemicals bouncing in my brain are the how not the why. you're a pseudo-intellectual.
>>71830429
>mounting each other
>not a display of dominance
This is very common among many species, an alpha male will mouny the weaker males in to display his dominance over the pack
>>71834707
Have you ever considered that by searching for enemies with such intensity you're making them, not finding them?
>gay people are amused by gay animals in their own corner of the internet
Stop the fucking presses and round up the Einsatzgruppen, this can never be allowed!
>>71834707
a lion pack is called a pride
now go throw some acid in your wife's face or whatever you people do for fun
>>71834936
Why do you come into threads you haven't read making posts that don't matter on topics you know nothing about?
>>71830938
Bearded ladies are a thing.
>>71834928
Nah I meant hyena life seems ideal for feminists.
A computer in africa would be stranger to me than a typing hyena.
>>71830429
One of them is actually a maned lioness. Nice try.
>>71835303
Well, thank you for answering other-anon's question about why white people think that lions come from the jungle.
>>71830429
>It is the first time I have seen homosexual behaviour in lions
>any of a genus (Homo) of hominids that includes modern humans
Lions cant be homo.
>>71835002
where did i say that no gay shit can be posted on the internet? i'm saying the most obvious, that the article has certain connotations which could be used as an argument for further legalization of homosexual marriage throughout the world.
>>71835030
you idiot, "pride" in the article is obviously used in the context of gay pride not as in lion pride. of course you could argue that it's a all just a pun, and we should just move on, but you bet your ass leftist politicians don't see this article as a pun - it's a serious argument for them
>>71835413
>someone once said that it was possible that maned-females exist
>therfore this is a maned female, because it can theoretically be true
Are you implying that lions cannot theoretically fuck each other in the ass?
>friend buys two pigs (one male/female)
>go to his house the next day
>comes back with two more pigs (one male/female)
>puts them in the pen
>male pig starts fucking the smaller male pig
>WTF.PNG
>keeps fucking after we pull em off each other
>tries to fuck the female but fails
>goes back to fucking little piglet
Jesus christ, the fuck is wrong with animals.
>>71830429
>>71835181
http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2012/10/09/weird-wild-rare-maned-lionesses-explained/
>>71835456
>that the article has certain connotations which could be used as an argument for further legalization of homosexual marriage throughout the world.
It's almost as if it's written for a website that is called "Pink News" and decribes itself as 'community news ... for the gay community'.
I wonder why it might read favorably towards gay issues.
You have your corner of the internet where you get to be who you are, and gays have theirs. If you don't want them to language police you on /pol/ I suggest you start by not language policing them on Pink News. Pink News is a ragsheet written for gays, just like the Daily Stormer is a ragsheet written for neo-Nazis and the alt-right. Ragsheets have always existed and getting pissed at "the other side" for doing the exact same thing that "your side" does is the height of hypocrisy.
Oppose them on the issues, not on the basis of "Everything about them and to do with them must be expunged so that there is no trace of their existence."
>>71835173
try refuting his point, mate
>>71834778
>I challenge you to produce a definition of "natural" that includes heterosexual behavior, but discludes homosexual behavior, and does not appeal to your religious beliefs.
Easy. Sex is meant for reproduction, therefore our brain is wired to find appealing to mate with females because that ensures the preservation of our species. Homosexual behaviour endangers this preservation since it produces no offspring.
The fact that a bunch of people becoming homosexual is not going to make humans go extinct doesn't mean it's not the way our brains are wired naturally.
Wanting to end your life is not natural but there's people that reach that point.
A lot of things that happen in our daily lifes are unnatural but we've been taught to assume them and think they're normal.
>>71835897
>Oppose them on the issues
that's exactly what i'm trying to do. this article comes in front of me and i bring up my arguments against it. i never said gay news shouldn't exist
Someone should read the Bible to these lions. Any volunteers?
>>71835982
I refuted it in my first post in this thread, which he would have seen (and you would have seen) if he read the fucking thread before posting. This applies to you too, cunt. You are wasting everybody's time because you are too fucking lazy to read.
>>71836065
There is no argument against it because it isn't an argument. It's just reporting the facts. It's reporting them in a gay-pandering way but it's not lying and it's not even distorting the facts. Sure, it pokes fun at the opposition, and it's not exactly neutral in tone, but the argument that it mocks is pretty thoroughly discredited and has been for decades.
There's nothing here to oppose. You are looking for things to oppose because you have this notion that gays must be opposed all the time at every turn. That's not opposing them on the issues, it's just blanket opposing them.
A reasonable person, even one who was opposed to an array of homosexual-friendly policies, couldn't find anything offensive about this article. It's a puff piece relaying a true story in a feelgood way, and that's it. The only way to be offended at this article is to be offended at the people who wrote it, not the article itself, and that's actual bigotry, not the meme kind. The only justification for it is that gays are inherently wrong, and good luck proving that.
>>71831926
Wait. What? What does that even mean? He's actually right, you backwards half-brained bumpkin. It's a sign of dominance. Why do dogs hump human legs n shit? To leave their scent and show dominance over you or another. You're the retarded one here.
>>71832312
..... If you actually believe that then you really deserve the title of animal, you unintelligent form of lower life.
>>71835990
Nowhere in that post did you offer a definition of "natural".
Furthermore, sex is not meant for anything. It merely is. Nobody designed sex and the reproductive cycle, it simply happened. It could as easily have not happened, and plenty of species aren't around anymore for whom, for whatever reason, it didn't happen. There is no meaning of life and not procreating is functionally equivalent to procreating as far as fulfilling your ultimate purpose is concerned, because there is no such thing as an ultimate purpose and you aren't here for a reason.
>>71830429
The bottom lion is transgendered. Checkmate
>>71830429
>a horny lion decides to mount another lion
>he humps it for awhile and cums -- reinforcing the behavior
>the other lion thinks its being groomed and lays back, enjoying it
Not gay.
If I used my cats body as a feline cocksleeve it would think its being petted and enjoy it
>>71836960
>Nowhere in that post did you offer a definition of "natural".
You just refuse to see it and decide to derail the topic completely. You're assuming that I'm taking a religious stand or something and I'm not.
Why do virus reproduce? They're not sentient beings, they don't have a purpose, they don't look to give their existence a meaning. Yet, it's natural for them to keep spreading and reproducing at all cost.
Natural is what it's wired in your genes to be a part of your instinct.
Nature designed sex and reproduction. It didn't just "happen". Like species decided to split in two and one chose to have a stick and the other a hole to put it in and then they just did 1+1.
>>71837386
>If I used my cats body as a feline cocksleeve it would think its being petted and enjoy it
Cats hate buttsex:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7URFo_wUU
>>71836729
>dogs
>lions
These are not the same animals, you retard.
Masturbation is an evolved trait because it has significant benefits to the organism. Firstly, it clears out ineffective sperm to maximise the viable sperm being held in the testis and genital tract. Secondly, in situations with sperm competition (two males fuck the same female and their sperm is alive and inside the female at the same competing for the egg) the quality of ejaculate is extremely important. Regular masturbation results in higher-quality ejaculate.
Specific to lions, sperm competition is relevant where lions are in a coalition (two or more male lions co-operating). Generally speaking whoever gets to the female first gets to fuck her - coalitions rarely fight over mates, incredibly - but it's also not uncommon for two or three males to all get a turn considering how much sex female lionesses demand. Consequently, regular masturbation is important for lions especially in coalitions. Lions do masturbate using their paws, but masturbation using another male lion as an aid and ending in climax is also typical.
The dominant male is on top, yes, because he can dominate the submissive males into serving as his aid, but it is not done to reinforce dominance (though it may have that effect also). It is absolutely and indisputably sexual.
It is not homosexual though, because homosexuality is the sexual and romantic attraction exclusively to the same gender. It's not exclusive, and it's not romantic. It's just masturbation.
>>71837575
>Nature designed sex and reproduction.
Nature is not a person. It does not design things. It has no thoughts, feelings, or intentions. Nature is a word that we use to describe the world. It is literally nothing more than that.
>You're assuming that I'm taking a religious stand or something and I'm not.
On the contrary, I understand you are not taking a religious stance which is why your argument is so ridiculous. If God doesn't ascribe meaning and purpose, what does? Nature? Nature is a concept, not a thinking being. Nature cannot do anything. "Nature" doesn't exist except in the minds of humans.
Your argument is pseudoreligous. You remove the God without removing the trappings of a god.
>>71830429
>lions stop reproducing
>whole pride dies
sooo progressive
we need to be more like genocidal lions
>>71838102
You're too obtuse and you're circling around the same false concept.
Nature, wether it's a concept or whatever you want to call it, has an impact. Human beings didn't design theirselves. Their interaction with the enviorement and evolution made them the way they are. But what were they before they were humans? Because they didn't pop out of nothing. What made them change from unicelular beings to what they are now?
Who designed viruses? Theirselves? No, nature, earth, micro-organisms. Call it whatever you want. Viruses have no purpose or transcendence and exist and have a very specific way of functioning. It's their nature. They didn't design theirselves that way the same way that human beings didn't decide to have a penis and a vagina and use it to have kids.
Your only argument so far is trying to discredit me which is pretty lame but at least you didn't resort to namecalling.
>>71837592
I mean if you rub the outside of them = no penetration
>"hey look,lions are gay,so we can do that too,it's totally natural,BIGOTS BTFO"
>"that wife beater was acting like a wild animal,it's disgusting when humans stoop down so low"
>>71838701
Consider a rock sitting on a footpath. Was that rock designed? Did someone sculpt it with a purpose in mind for it? Was it placed there especially for you to stand on?
No.
The rock just happened to be there through a series of coincidences, and there are millions of rocks in your city alone that weren't there because the coincidences didn't align.
That's all you are. Nobody designed you. You're not here for a reason. You're just here.
>What made them change from unicelular beings to what they are now?
Dumb luck, and literally nothing more.
If you want evidence of that, just look at all the different kinds of unicellular life that never became anything more than what they were forty million years ago.
Your argument seems to be that because humans CAN reproduce it means humans SHOULD reproduce. It is a fundamental is-ought fallacy that is textbook philosophy. The fact that something is doesn't mean it ought to be. Children exist, but that doesn't mean we ought to make them. Nor does it mean we ought not to make them. All it means is that we can. Saying that homosexuality is wrong, or unnatural, or wasteful, is based on this fundamental mistake.
>>71830429
Honestly... only insecure people would take this as evidence. Exclusive homosexuality is mostly only documented in male sheep. Though I only read it on Wikipedia so don't take my word on that.
/pol/ is literally arguing over if lions can be fags or not.
Yeah, the red pill isn't the only thing you faggots like to swallow.
>>71839586
>YouFagsWillArgueAboutAnything.meme
>>71839315
You're comparing inanimate object to living beings. Do you think that giraffes got long necks out of luck? Or that cockroaches become inmune to chemical agents by luck as well?
Look, there's not an intelligent entity making blueprints and designing the animal kingdom if that's what you think that I think.
Also, my argument is not that because human reproduce they should reproduce. My argument is that humans are WIRED to do so, regardless of what they later decide to do.
At no point I ever said it is wrong. Something unnatural is not wrong.
Wrong and bad are human concepts. It has nothing to do with nature. Nature only understands about functional and disfunctional (again, please, don't imagine nature as a sentient being, it's just the global concept of all the natural processes). If something is functional it will persist and if it isn't it will evolve or expire.
Still, homosexuality is an error with an affordable margin. The moment all mankind becomes homosexual humanity will go extinct or will have to come up with something to compensate for it (aka lab children) and the same happens with any other species. Therefore homosexuality is disfunctional. Not wrong, evil or bad. It just goes against nature. And that is not false.
>Upon decades of aimless filming, some naturalist manages to capture two animals engaged in a homosexual act
>homosexuals immediately jump on the occurence as argument to appeal to nature, disregarding that it is a fallacy
daily reminder that at the most generous stats homos are bout 3% of population, everything they do and say is in reality a non issue
>>71840195
>My argument is that humans are WIRED to do so
Then explain how there are humans who are wired not do so.
>Do you think that giraffes got long necks out of luck?
Yes. There are tons of potentially beneficial mutations that never occurred, or were not passed on. Giraffes could have easily not developed long necks and gone extinct if circumstances had been only slightly different.
>homosexuality is disfunctional
But you're still making the same mistake: you're assuming that the perpetuation of the species is function and extinction is dysfunction. What do you base this on? What's wrong with going extinct? You might not want to, but that certainly doesn't constitute objective proof that reproduction is desirable. You cannot have function and dysfunction without a goal by which function and dysfunction are measured, and our life has no goal. We're not here to reproduce, we're just here. Humans could go extinct tomorrow and it wouldn't matter at all.
>>71840590
>Then explain how there are humans who are wired not do so.
Same way humans have down syndrome and others are outstandingly smart. Women are not 100% failproof factories of children.
>Yes. There are tons of potentially beneficial mutations that never occurred, or were not passed on. Giraffes could have easily not developed long necks and gone extinct if circumstances had been only slightly different.
Well that's not how it works. We're losing our feet pinkies and some scientists say that we won't have those toes anymore because they lost use. That's evolution at work.
>>71840590
>But you're still making the same mistake: you're assuming that the perpetuation of the species is function and extinction is dysfunction. What do you base this on? What's wrong with going extinct? You might not want to, but that certainly doesn't constitute objective proof that reproduction is desirable. You cannot have function and dysfunction without a goal by which function and dysfunction are measured, and our life has no goal. We're not here to reproduce, we're just here. Humans could go extinct tomorrow and it wouldn't matter at all.
You're the one making the same mistake of attaching wrong to dysfunctional. I didn't say extinction is bad. Species that don't adapt are wiped out, period.
The goal in every specie is to reproduce. They don't think "I've got to have kids so there can still be lions on this earth" or "I want to form a family". They just do it, there's no reasoning behind it.
Same way a gun doesn't ask you "Why would you want to kill that guy?" it just does it because that's its function. If a gun can't fire then it's dysfunctional.
Not sure if we can get out of this bucle here, aussiebro. I think we just see things from very different sides and we run in pararel. We will never find and ends meet to this.
>>71834283
I havent' seen this level of shitposting since before the leafposting began.
>>71841494
>Well that's not how it works.
Invest in some more classes. Evolution does not produce the best possible outcome, it produces a just barely sufficient outcome. Sometimes not even that, and the species goes extinct. Giraffes got their necks through dumb luck - the process of evolution is not failproof.
>Same way humans have down syndrome and others are outstandingly smart
Is Down's Syndrome unnatural?
>They just do it, there's no reasoning behind it.
Then how is it a goal? If they don't aim for it, there's no reasoning behind it, and it's literally just something that happens, then in what meaningful sense can it be considered a goal?
>the same mistake of attaching wrong to dysfunctional
Dysfunctional means not working. For something to be judged as not working it has to fail to meet a set of criteria. The criteria it needs to meet are based on what the equipment is supposed to do - i.e. the goal.
Without a goal it is by definition impossible for things to be dysfunctional.
>it just does it because that's its function. If a gun can't fire then it's dysfunctional.
It has that function because it was made by someone to do that. Guns didn't just happen, they were built by conscious entities with a purpose in mind. Totally different situation.
There's no such thing as a dysfunctional rock because rocks have no purpose. There's no such thing as a dysfunctional human because humans have no purpose. Dysfunctional _citizens_, yes. Dysfunctional humans, no.
>>71841494
>We're losing our feet pinkies and some scientists say that we won't have those toes anymore because they lost use. That's evolution at work.
You're describing Lamarckism, a discredited theory from before Darwin. You're not the only one who makes this mistake, in fact it's quite common and part of the reason so many people reject evolution, because they have a false conception of what it is.
Watch Neil DeNig Tyrone describe how natural selection works since you clearly don't understand it:
https://youtu.be/2Qoa2jU1NVI?t=1h40m31s
>>71842251
Spainbro clearly doesn't not understand evolution by natural selection.
>Evolution does not produce the best possible outcome, it produces a just barely sufficient outcome.
I always think of this as best exemplified by mammalian reproduction. As if spewing gametes within a base ph fluid into a body cavity is the 'best' scenario. It's obviously just the only option that worked well enough to catch on.
I view opposition to homosexuality (and abortions) as thoughts within human populations to increase group fitness. In early hominid groups, having this mental gene for opposing homosexuality and abortions was probably and advantage in maintain viable populations were every member was important.
>>71830509
>looks like a dude
>but it's not gay xD
Are you literally homosexual by a chance?
>>71842251
>the process of evolution is not failproof
Never said it is. But something doesn't evolve into something worse. It's always towards an improvement, usually seeking specialization. That's how you get creatures with amazing capabilities like walking on water or changing colours.
>Is Down's Syndrome unnatural?
Yes.
>Then how is it a goal? If they don't aim for it, there's no reasoning behind it, and it's literally just something that happens, then in what meaningful sense can it be considered a goal?
You keep trying to win the argument with semantics.
>Dysfunctional means not working. For something to be judged as not working it has to fail to meet a set of criteria. The criteria it needs to meet are based on what the equipment is supposed to do - i.e. the goal.
>Without a goal it is by definition impossible for things to be dysfunctional.
Same here. You're more focused on playing with the words and petty details than understanding the point.
>>71842251
>There's no such thing as a dysfunctional rock because rocks have no purpose.
You go back to the inanimate objects.
Can't argue with you, bud. You don't seem up for it.
>>71843552
>Neil DeNig Tyrone
>Astrophisic
Yeah ok, buddy. Fucking dropped. Insert another coin.
>>71833265
d-d-dit it died?
>>71830429
>couldn't have been for a display of dominance
>nope, they're gay, it's normal to be gay, please believe me
>>71832265
Dolphins are also one of the few animals that active rape, and on purpose too
>>71835702
It's clearly a transgender lion
>>71833108
>The "homosexuality does occur in nature" argument is a _response_ to the "homosexuality is unnatural" argument of the 70s.
Occurs in nature=/=natural
>>71830429
That other lion doesn't seem to be into it.
I think that Lion is raping him and they're applauding it?
Sick sick sick!
>>71832265
dolphins will literally rape otters to death and play with their dead bodies because they think it's funny
dolphins are literally the niggers of the ocean
>>71845544
Of course if it exists in nature it's natural. Not everything in nature is useful for the betterment of society, however. Murder is illegal for the same reason homosexuality used to be. Can't afford to lose productive members of the tribe.
>>71830429
Bullshit photoshop. Show video.
>gays going this far to demonstrate a naturalistic argument
You do realize that Lions fucking kill their own children for being annoying.
>>71830958
Chinese
>>71833265
Not even the same tiger.
