What went wrong?
>>71829109
Nothing. All is well.
>>71829109
>a bong asking what went wrong with Germans
u haevin' a giggle m8?
>>71829109
Joos.
>>71829170
>t.muhammad
>>71829170
t. mohammad
>>71829109
Bismarck created a political balancing act only he could maintain.
>>71829109
Unification. Germany was a mistake from the beginning.
The kaiser removed Bismarck
>>71829109
Willy 2 was fucking retarded
BEADY
That Bismarck wasn't Immortal.
The stupid Britcucks decided to honor an obscure treaty from the 1830s honoring Belgium's neutrality. The BEF was very half-assed, not enough to win the war decisively but enough to keep France on life support. They should have just let the Germans become the leaders of continental Europe.
>>71829109
We were sich of Breslau, Kattowitz, Posen, Danzig and Königsberg and decided to give them away to our allies.
>>71829508
I don't think that's quite how it happened.
>>71829502
>letting any one power dominate Europe
Why do you think they named us perfidious Albion? We allied with whoever was weaker to prevent a united continent.
>>71829599
Some historians believe that WWI could have been avoided if the Brits had made their intentions clear of helping Belgium and France.
>>71829109
Damn Germans. They ruined Germany.
>>71829831
Those historians clearly are pretty much idiots. The Reich wanted the war.
>>71829109
The filthy anglo took the chance to battle the glorious nations of germany, austria & hungary and called his dirty offspring to war.
>>71829894
I wonder how he would feel about 2016 Germany, and seeing how cucked it is.
>>71829314
>>71829347
>>71829375
>>71829412
100% these
>>71830106
ottoman empire too.
WW1 Britain uses it as an excuse to end austro-hungarian and ottoman empires.
WW2 USA uses it as an excuse to end british empire.
Everything went wrong when Charlemagne died.
>>71829109
It was populated by germans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>71829109
invaded foreign countries didn't go so well. what a surprise, people want revenge
>>71829109
Anglos and not conquering Austria-Hungary when they had the chance.
UK could have prevented the war if they weren't so greedy
>>71829930
The Reich was peacefull
>>71829109
Germans.
>>71830631
>Britain uses it as an excuse to end austro-hungarian and ottoman empires.
Austria-Hungary collapsed before the war even ended
Their first mistake was to annex us.
>>71830631
>implying the US were not the one behind it all, stealing everyone's gold in the first WW1 and cucking the remaining empires to oblivion in the second
>>71831375
You voted to become part of the Reich.
>>71831530
>he doesn't get it
>>71829109
Kaiser Wilhelm
>>71829109
Germany didn't decide to follow Prussia and didn't ask Poland to incorporate it. If Germans were smarter, Poland could rule Germany very well and lead it to eternal glory
>>71831375
You dropped this:
not
>>71829930
You're retarted.
>>71829109
What went wrong? We lost. Europe lost when Germany lost to France which spread multiculturalism to Europe and ruined Europe
>>71832173
>Poland could rule Germany very well and lead it to eternal glory
sorry, Pjotr but a toilet cleaning, slav nation like Poland can't even take care of itself, yet you want to rule us. A toilet cleaner slav cannot teach any Germanic nation nobility and glory, because those things are something that came from Germanic nations, and those are virtues no slav will ever poses.
>>71829109
>>71829831
Some historians believe Hitler wouldn't have hated Jews if they hadn't declared war on Germany and bit the hand that fed them :^)
>>71832518
>German military fucks up
>uhhh guys it was the Jews not us
>they actually believed us, the absolute madmen
>>71829109
Hitler put his dongler where it didn't belongler
![_editor_rosa-luxemburg02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kZmFWoD.jpg "_editor_rosa-luxemburg02[1].jpg")
>>71832628
haha, well kikesplained my fellow goy
>>71829109
Literally everything that could've gone wrong went wrong. Looking back on it, it's a magnificent trainwreck. The kind that only has a 0.001% chance of happening but through a conspiracy of circumstances happened on the maiden ride of both trains.
>1870/71
>Franco-Prussian war is won
>Germany declared in Versailles because butthurt
>Bismarck is all like "Alright guys, enough of that. We need to go home and get everything in order. No hard feelings, right France?"
>Von Moltke insists on annexing Alsace-Lorraine because "muh strategic frontier
>Germans impose reparations because Napoleonic butthurt
This is where everything started going wrong. The annexation of French territory is what made friendly relations with France impossible. Bismarck still feared France despite their defeat, so he needed to create a web of diplomatic alliances to keep France at bay (as opposed to directly improving relations with France). This relied on making mutually contradictory promises to the Austrians and the Russians that could only remain for so long.
Then Willy comes along
>Fires Bismarck, LITERALLY the only German with any idea what the fuck he is doing
>Pursues a "GERMANY STRONK" foreign policy
>Demands colonies in Africa, pissing off both the French and the British
>Builds a massive navy despite not needing it (close to no colonies), pissing off the British
>Tells Russia to get fucked in favor of closer ties to Austria
>Tells the world he doesn't "care about Japan", pissing them off
>Implies French and Russian involvement in the Boer war, pissing off the French and the Russians
>Chooses to escalate some Balkan confict for the sake of war
>Lose
And the problem that follows is allied retardation. Foch wanted to refuse a German surrender, keep fighting until Berlin was occupied (to prove once and for all that Germany was defeated) and dissolve Germany. Instead Germany was barely punished.
cont.
>>71829109
>What went wrong?
Austrians.
>>71829170
Fuck you Merkel.
>>71829109
Juice.
>>71831375
Stop playing the victim here
![image374[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/9jNDw1r.png "image374[1].png")
>>71832894
This, combined with the fact that the Entente never put even a single boot on German territory when the empire surrendered as well as the effectiveness of German wartime propaganda (which made the German people believe that they were winning by a landslide) created the "stab in the back" myth. The Jews were blamed for everything (just like how decades earlier a Jew was blamed for the Dreyfus affair). This antisemitism, combined with revanchism and a desire for "retribution" combined with nordicist pseudo-science to create the nazi ideology. And thus Germany started yet another world war.
And now, after German retardation has discredited all forms of nationalism and any kind of research into racial factors concerning IQ, Germany has become extreme leftist, welcomes rapefugees with spread asscheeks and demands that the rest of Europe does the same.
Truly Germany, a country that in 1871 appeared to be in the perfect position to become Europe's newest and grandest superpower, fucked up in ways hitherto unimaginable.
And to think all of this started over some small sliver of land Louis XIV conquered nearly 400 years ago.
>>71832377
The German Empire was built on warfare (with France, Austria). Prussia was a militaristic state and Germany was industrialising rapidly, overtaking Britain a few years before the war and the Kaiser was a staunch conservative. It's not hard to see that Germany was geared towards wanting war.
>>71832894
>>71833153
Based dikenigger telling it how it is. In all seriousness though, very good analysis.
>>71832894
>Literally everything that could've gone wrong went wrong. Looking back on it, it's a magnificent trainwreck. The kind that only has a 0.001% chance of happening but through a conspiracy of circumstances happened on the maiden ride of both trains.
Nicely meme'd
>This is where everything started going wrong. The annexation of French territory is what made friendly relations with France impossible.
Are you retarded? Who cares about good relations with France when they want to attack our sovereignity?
>Bismarck still feared France despite their defeat, so he needed to create a web of diplomatic alliances to keep France at bay (as opposed to directly improving relations with France).
No wonder. There's no reason to ally the aggressor.
>This relied on making mutually contradictory promises to the Austrians and the Russians that could only remain for so long.
Yes and Russia dropped out later because of their own aggressions towards Germany's slavic occupied areas.
>Fires Bismarck, LITERALLY the only German with any idea what the fuck he is doing
Who was also Senile
>Pursues a "GERMANY STRONK" foreign policy
Because we don't need an army when France alone has a stronger army than us and Britain alone a stronger navy and Russia alone a bigger manpower.
>Demands colonies in Africa, pissing off both the French and the British
Is this why he gave away Sansibar for Helgoland?
>Builds a massive navy despite not needing it (close to no colonies), pissing off the British
If we didn't need it then why did we have mass starvations when Britain blockaded us?
>Tells Russia to get fucked in favor of closer ties to Austria
Russia told us to get fucked. Atleast the population and the duma, making Austria a more reliable ally.
>Implies French and Russian involvement in the Boer war, pissing off the French and the Russians
Can't remember that althrough the relations with France doesn't matter
>Chooses to escalate some Balkan confict for the sake of war
He didn't want war.
>>71833153
>picrelated, from a satire site, photoshopped.
>This, combined with the fact that the Entente never put even a single boot on German territory when the empire surrendered as well as the effectiveness of German wartime propaganda (which made the German people believe that they were winning by a landslide) created the "stab in the back" myth. The Jews were blamed for everything (just like how decades earlier a Jew was blamed for the Dreyfus affair). This antisemitism, combined with revanchism and a desire for "retribution" combined with nordicist pseudo-science to create the nazi ideology. And thus Germany started yet another world war.
I don't remember Germany declaring war on Poland because they though it was Jews.
>And now, after German retardation has discredited all forms of nationalism and any kind of research into racial factors concerning IQ, Germany has become extreme leftist, welcomes rapefugees with spread asscheeks and demands that the rest of Europe does the same.
Nope. It was French postmodernists and their propaganda that alienated the nationalist thought in favor of egalitarianism.
>Truly Germany, a country that in 1871 appeared to be in the perfect position to become Europe's newest and grandest superpower, fucked up in ways hitherto unimaginable.
not an arguement
>And to think all of this started over some small sliver of land Louis XIV conquered nearly 400 years ago.
Which Germans rightfully took back after France declared war on us and they lost.
>>71829109
it was all wrong from the very beginning
Can't wait for 3rd map without green on it.
And I ain't talking about Pepe.
>>71829109
anglos
>Hey Franz I understand there's this July Crisis going on right now and Europe is on the brink of war but I'm gonna go ahead and fuck off to my yacht for two weeks. Whatever you wanna do I got your back bro
>>71829109
You, anglo
>>71834392
>Sees flag
Oh nvm it's just a retarded Rep
>>71833691
>Who cares about good relations with France when they want to attack our sovereignity?
Bismarck, for starters. He liked the idea of not having a permanent enemy hellbent on Germany's destruction right at the frontier. You know, because Bismarck did not want grand conquests but to consolidate what he had.
>No wonder. There's no reason to ally the aggressor.
The wars was over, you dingus. And Germany did manage to improve relations with its old enemy Austria.
>Yes and Russia dropped out later because of their own aggressions towards Germany's slavic occupied areas.
Which pushed them right into the arms of France. Germany fell for the classic alliance des revers... AGAIN.
>Who was also Senile
Citation needed.
>Because we don't need an army when France alone has a stronger army than us and Britain alone a stronger navy and Russia alone a bigger manpower.
There's a difference between having an army for defensive purposes and swinging your cock around for no reason.
>Is this why he gave away Sansibar for Helgoland?
Are you implying that was the only German colony?
>If we didn't need it then why did we have mass starvations when Britain blockaded us?
You had about as many starvations as unblockaded France and less than Russia. Also, when there's a blockade colonies don't help you very much in terms of resources.
>Atleast the population and the duma, making Austria a more reliable ally.
The more useful of the two empires is now a French ally, the retarded zombie-empire is now Germany's only ally. You must be as intelligent as Bismarck if you think this is a good trade!
>althrough the relations with France doesn't matter
They do if you want to prevent war you gigantic fucking retard.
>He didn't want war.
The July Crisis never happened, right?
>I don't remember Germany declaring war on Poland because they though it was Jews.
Are you denying the antisemitism of the German regime?
>>71829109
Tries to fuck with Slavs
>gets wrecked
The usual stuff
>>71832461
>nobility and glory, because those things are something that came from Germanic nations
kek
whatever you spew out of your savage mouth Georg
When you'll grow up, and you'll talk to your muslim circle of friends and to your son Abdullah, this notion will cross your mind "Yes, we should have joined Poland as a fief, like Prussia"
>>71833977
>Nope. It was French postmodernists and their propaganda that alienated the nationalist thought in favor of egalitarianism.
Uh-huh. The Frankfurter Schule never existed.
>not an arguement
Congrats, you can fucking read! It wasn't an argument, it was a short summary. People tend to give short summaries after telling a long story, you know. That's how rhetorics work, something the Germans are not too skilled in judging by their diplomatic history.
>Which Germans rightfully took back
>rightfully
After three hundred years, something the Alsatians were very, VERY displeased in (they dissented in parliament, Saverne affair and the fact that Alsatians were never deployed on the Western Front during WW1)
>after France declared war on us and they lost.
To be fair, Bismarck provoked them with the Emser Depeche. He wanted to make France appear the agressor to ensure nobody would come to their aid.
But here's your problem, your exactly like Willy. You do not realize the difference between what you're able to do and what is wise to do. That is how you make enemies. Lots and lots of enemies.
>tfw it's all germany's fault that the soviet union existed and communism became a thing
fuck you cunts
>>71832461
>because those things are something that came from Germanic nations
jesus christ are we in elementary school xD
if you really want to point a nation which "created" nobility and glory it's either ancient greeks or romans
>>71829170
yfw
>>71834036
Ah, come on Poland. Are you still mad?
>>71832431
>Muliculturalism is a french concept.
Hey Hantz, the term came from the late 60's.
Germany died long before. ;)
>>71834843
Lol this.
>Kill Lenin for being a marxist piece of shit
>Russian Empire fights until the war ends
>Russian Empire lives on, never gets fucked by gobbunism
>Germany doesn't use butthurt gobbunist excuse to Barbarossa.exe
>Russian Empire rules eastern yurop
>German Empire rules western yurop
>English stay in their island and drink tea in peace
>>71835349
>>71835349
you are so not mad that you had to reply to 20 minutes old post xD?
>>71835549
time doesn't exist on 4chan
>>71835422
>>English stay in their island and drink tea in peace
Shag that for a game.
Empires don't build themselves.
>>71834596
>Bismarck, for starters. He liked the idea of not having a permanent enemy hellbent on Germany's destruction right at the frontier. You know, because Bismarck did not want grand conquests but to consolidate what he had.
Are you implying Wilhelm wanted grand conquests?
>The wars was over, you dingus. And Germany did manage to improve relations with its old enemy Austria.
Do you just have no idea what you're speaking about? Do you not see the difference between the German Austria and the French bitterness and aggressiveness?
>Which pushed them right into the arms of France. Germany fell for the classic alliance des revers... AGAIN.
Something Wilhelm didn't do. It was Russia's decision to ally France and we didn't further our alliance because Russia was too unwilling.
>Citation needed.
Well, he wasn't senile, but he was just too old to mantain rulership.
>There's a difference between having an army for defensive purposes and swinging your cock around for no reason.
Not an arguement. The army was for defensive purposes.
>Are you implying that was the only German colony?
are you implying Sansibar was a colony in the first place?
>You had about as many starvations as unblockaded France and less than Russia. Also, when there's a blockade colonies don't help you very much in terms of resources.
The blockade was there due to Germany's reliance on trade. It doesn't matter what happened in Russia or France because that eas unrelated to the blockades.
>The more useful of the two empires is now a French ally, the retarded zombie-empire is now Germany's only ally. You must be as intelligent as Bismarck if you think this is a good trade!
If anything the problem here was Russia being panslavist.
>They do if you want to prevent war you gigantic fucking retard
And how should we prevent war with France? Let's give them Elsass, no? Give them the entire Rhinelands as well, no? Give them Belgium, the Netherlands and Saxony and Lübeck and whatnot
>>71829170
Frau Merkel is that you?
>>71834036
it was just a prank, bro.
![Now+let+me+tell+you+why+that's+bullshit![1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TsHVhrI.jpg "Now+let+me+tell+you+why+that's+bullshit![1].jpg")
>>71835422
>Nordicist racial theories would still dictate that Slavs are subhumans (look at the way the non-Soviet Poles were treated)
>Germany would still demand lebensraum, Czar or no Czar
>Germany would still be starved for resources to keep the war going, meaning they'd need to find a way to claim the Caucasus oil fields (Russia) or the oil of North Africa and Arabia (which involves fighting the British)
>Implying the British would allow Hitler to wage war on literally everybody, trusting Hitler on his honest smile to not invade Britain next
>>71829339
This, Prussia was a mistake.
>>71832894
>And the problem that follows is allied retardation. Foch wanted to refuse a German surrender, keep fighting until Berlin was occupied (to prove once and for all that Germany was defeated) and dissolve Germany. Instead Germany was barely punished.
And who did not want that ?
>>71835549
and you are still here to answer?
>>71835612
so time on 4chan is the same thing as german identity in reality?
>>71835480
Like that did ever happen.
P.S. A Jew painted that.
>>71835703
>German takes lebensraum from Poland and Russia
>the rest of the world fucks off and world peace is achieved
There.
>>71835703
>germany doesn't go to war
>it doesnt lose
>hitler doesnt rise
all good here me lad
>>71835735
you know, I'm watching the thread, replying to recent posts, not to the 20-minutes-old ones
>>71835660
no problem lad
>>71835859
>is on /pol/
>muh nadionalismus
>"oh we should let germany conquer us all so we become one big global nation :-DD"
>>71835549
Germany might be currently cucked but come on Poland, your entire history is made up of getting cucked.
>>71835765
So you are still mad. Please be nice. We are not your enemy. Keep our (your) territory. I don't want it and nobody else does.
>>71829109
We came along.
>>71829109
Wilhelm 2 thought it was funny to become an ally with Austria instead of Russia. Therefore shifting the alliances in Europe, since Russia easily found a new ally in France. then WW1 happened etc. etc.
But as a Dutch person for me everything already went down the shitter in 1672 so what are we even talking about.
>>71835723
those are indeed fine looking gentlemen in polish uniform.
Remind me to tipp them well when they come to germany to clean our toilets.
>>71835908
>polish flag
>posts russian flag in berlin
Where is your dignity?
They were as much your enemy as they were ours.
>>71835703
>Everything west of Poland+scandinavia -> german lebensraum
>Everything east of Poland+balkans -> russian lebensraum
>Entirety of Africa and Arabia -> german colonies
>Entirety of central asia -> russian colonies
>>71835952
>Keep our territory
I like it that whatever I say you reply with butthurt claim
>>71835945
>world started in 1800
>>71835945
>Poland, your entire history is made up of getting cucked.
>entire history
You better learn some history you retarded burger.
>>71836047
look closer senpai, there are 2 flags there
and only one is soviet
>>71834815
>The July Crisis never happened, right?
Yes and that proves that he was peaceful, because he was the only one who tried to prevent war and the only one who was horrified when it happened.
>Are you denying the antisemitism of the German regime?
Oy.
I'm saying that WW2 didn't happen because Germans had some kind of paranoia
>Uh-huh. The Frankfurter Schule never existed.
Insignificant compared to France's schools. Blown over because /pol/ only knows them through the German perspective because it was a Nazi thing.
>Congrats, you can fucking read! It wasn't an argument, it was a short summary. People tend to give short summaries after telling a long story, you know. That's how rhetorics work, something the Germans are not too skilled in judging by their diplomatic history.
Wow! You're a very smart person.
>After three hundred years, something the Alsatians were very, VERY displeased in (they dissented in parliament, Saverne affair and the fact that Alsatians were never deployed on the Western Front during WW1)
Only for like a few years until most of them were accepting the new German regime. The same happened when France unrightfully annexed Elsass in 1918 when they declared independence to prevent being annexed by France
>To be fair, Bismarck provoked them with the Emser Depeche. He wanted to make France appear the agressor to ensure nobody would come to their aid.
Because France was the aggressor when they demanded the German Rhinelands.
>But here's your problem, your exactly like Willy. You do not realize the difference between what you're able to do and what is wise to do. That is how you make enemies. Lots and lots of enemies.
And here's your problem. Your gay and stupid and I dislike you because you're like that meanie boy i heard of on the internet
>>71829502
>>71829599
>People getting mad at Britain for protecting it's interests
A single power dominating mainland Europe would be an extremely dangerous thing for Britain. They would have the power to economically and militarily threaten us.
>>71829109
when was it ever right?
>>71835925
Are you an actual retard?
>WE WUD BE ALL GERMEN NOW
>>71836047
>>posts russian flag in berlin
You blind?
>>71836080
> butthurt claim
Actually I'm quite calm. Sorry I upset you. I really like Poland. You obviously didn't want to see the brackets. I thought it was clear I wanted to be polite.
But from your last post it seems the butthurt is quite strong in you.
>>71835616
>Are you implying Wilhelm wanted grand conquests?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II,_German_Emperor#Personality
>He believed in force, and the 'survival of the fittest' in domestic as well as foreign politics...
>Do you not see the difference between the German Austria and the French bitterness and aggressiveness?
I wonder where that came from. Did the Germans demand Sudetenland after the Prussian-Austrian war?
>Something Wilhelm didn't do.
But he did, you fucking retard. If you piss off the Russians, what else are they going to do but look up the other guys the Germans pissed off?
>but he was just too old to mantain rulership
I still need a citation
>Not an arguement
Indeed, it's an argument
>The army was for defensive purposes
Do you know why the British referred to the Germans as huns? In fact, Willy went as far as to promise the Belgians restoration of Burgundy if they sided with them against the French. He certainly had offensive intentions.
>are you implying Sansibar was a colony in the first place?
All these implied implications are moving away from the original point: Germany demanded colonies it did not need, further pissing off both the French and the British. Bismarck opposed these colonies.
>doesn't matter what happened in Russia or France because that eas unrelated to the blockades.
Because France and Russia somehow did not rely on trade? If a "blockade" results in just as much starvation as in an unblockaded country, that blockade isn't very effective.
>If anything the problem here was Russia being panslavist.
They had been since forever. They could've been appeased
>And how should we prevent war with France? Let's give them Elsass, no?
>"give"
You can't give someone something they already own. You can only take it from them, as the Germans did.
>>71836353
you don't even understand posts you reply to, and still claim others are butthurt
that's called denial
>>71835952
>Keep our (your) territory.
WOW Hans.
>>71829109
>tfw no Königsberg
>>71836553
>Implying they are not more than savage invaders
>inb4 WE WUZ VANDELZ N PIASTS N SHIET
>>71836203
>and that proves that he was peaceful
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Crisis
> Even if Russia were to act in defence of Serbia, Wilhelm promised that Germany would do everything in its power, including war, to support Austria-Hungary.
>I'm saying that WW2 didn't happen because Germans had some kind of paranoia
Then what caused it? The "Versailles diktat" that was much more lenient than Brest-Litovisk?
>Insignificant compared to France's schools.
You're joking, right? it is the single most important school of thought on the left. The fact that Habermas, the most important living philosopher (and a German, unsurprisingly) is associated with this school underlines it.
>Wow! You're a very smart person.
You're not, obviously.
>Only for like a few years until most of them were accepting the new German regime.
So accepting that the Saverne Affair happened one year before WW1 broke out. So accepting that Alsatians were not deployed on the Western Front because the German high command feared mass desertion.
>Because France was the aggressor when they demanded the German Rhinelands.
Once again, a difference between what you can do and what you should do.
>Your gay and stupid and I dislike you because you're like that meanie boy i heard of on the internet
>your
...please tell me that I just fell for an incredibly elaborate troll and not a grossprussiums imperialiums basement dweller that's only barely literate.
>>71836553
>>71836317
found the polish toilet cleaner living in sweden.
>>71836522
All /pol/acks are my witnesses. I tried to be nice but, alas, to no avail.
>>71836688
are we on reddit now?
>>71836553
Oviously I meant inside current borders :)
>>71834533
clearly as smart as Willy
>>71832894
Pasta gevonden, nederkanker
>>71836686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeO9QbR2cSA
>>71829109
The Austrians were the Jews of Europe
>>71836861
This, fucking backstabbing fucks.
>>71836649
>vandals, goths etc
>modern germans
>>71829375
There is allot of bullshit propaganda surrounding Willy...
>>71829502
That treaty didn't make them obligated to intervene, it gave them the right.
Big difference.
>>71836649
>savage invaders
Yes, the Germs were.
>>71829930
And France, Russia, Serbia & Britain didn't?
>>71837220
Yes, they did. How does this contradict my statement?
>>71837161
>Danzig massacre
A literal meme made so it seems that Danzig was unrighfully German
>>71837030
>Some medieval authors applied the ethnonym "Vandals" to Slavs: Veneti, Wends, Lusatians or Poles.[9][10][11] It was once thought that the Slovenes were the descendants of the Vandals, but this is not the view of modern scholars.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
>The ethnic affiliation was subject of intense auto/allochtonic debate between German and mostly Polish historians before the Second World War. The former used to claim that the tribe was exclusively Germanic as the latter presented the counterargument that either the tribe was proto-Slavic or at least included proto-Slavic groups.
>Ancient writers simply regarded them to be part of the Germani, or the inhabitants of the region of Germania,[8] which did not necessarily always coincide with speakers of the Germanic languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii
>In the 1st century AD the Sarmatians began encroaching upon the Roman Empire in alliance with Germanic tribes.[2] In the 3rd century AD their dominance of the Pontic Steppe was broken by the Germanic Goths.[2] With the Hunnic invasions of the 4th century, many Sarmatians joined the Goths and other Germanic tribes (Vandals) in the settlement of the Western Roman Empire.[2] A related people to the Sarmatians known as the Alans survived in the North Caucasus into the Early Middle Ages, ultimately giving rise to the modern Ossetic ethnic group.[8]
>Pliny the Elder (23–79 CE) wrote that they ranged from the Vistula River (in present-day Poland) to the Danube.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians
>>71832894
way to overly simplified & lacking details about external players...
however there is truth in it.
>>71837361
>A literal meme
>>71837361
>Danzig was unrighfully German
>>71837220
>Serbia
Quite literally had its sovereignity threatened. And in spite of that they agreed to 9/10 points Austria proposed to them.
>Russia
Perhaps the best case you have, as they wanted to protect Serbia to further their own interests.
>France
>Britain
They had remained out of the Balkans altogether.
>>71833153
red cocksuckers did stab Germany in the back...
what do you think happens when the munition manufacturers go on strike...
>>71833237
SAYS PERFIDIOUS ALBION
>>71834036
>coming from a a country that's been raped multiple times
>>71837714
You better show some RESPECK mane
>>71837464
Russia basically guaranteed Serbia would become a hegemon in the balkans... before ww1 in 1914. (I can find quotes if you wish)
->Russia was promised the fuckin world by the Brits
->France had their revanche complex
->Britain wasn't threatened by Germany, rather they were more threatened by France & THE RUSSIANS, who could threaten India (the crown jewel of the British empire)
>>71836120
>homage
>meaning anything
If you knew history, you would know homage didn't mean shit
>>71829831
This is true. Kaiser Willy II stated that he wouldn´t want war with Britain. If he had known britains intentions, he would have pushed austria-hungary to accept the 9 out of 10 terms that were accepted by serbia and war prevented.
>>71833237
>geared towards wanting war
This is one retarded statement. That would mean anyone with a relevant military must "want" war.
>>71837865
If you knew history you would know history, tard burger.
>>71837845
But Sweden, they were raped by their own nobility
>>71838077
>they were raped by their own nobility
Partly, by a part of the nobility like the traitor Radziwill's, which latter were disowned in history.
>>71829930
It's supposed to be all about how Germany would be too scared to go to war with three powers at once, but that implies the Kaiser is smart enough to understand what wars Germany can win.
1913 Sergey Sazonov (Russian foreign minister) writing to the Russian ambassador in Britain
"The peace of the world will only be secure on the day when the Triple Entente, whose real existence is not better authenticated than the existence of the sea serpent, shall transform itself into a defensive alliance... On that day the danger of a German hegemony will be finally removed..."
>>71829109
> making prussian german
> joining prussians with anglosaxons masons, jews masons, austrian masons and bayern illuminates
>>71837956
Come on, put those old stories to rest. You have a nice country now and are succesful. Stop being so damn insecure.
>>71829217
tpbp
>>71837856
>Russia basically guaranteed Serbia would become a hegemon in the balkans... before ww1 in 1914. (I can find quotes if you wish)
I'd like those quotes if you can provide them, I didn't know that.
>>71831375
>>71829109
Fuck the whole German shit, they still have most of their country today. Look what happened to the fucking Austro-Hungaria empire.
>>71838199
get off the high horse, don't you see you sound pathetic, not smart?
It was in the interests of France and Russia to take German clay. It was in the interest of Britain to keep Germany from overpowering Europe. America will always side with Anglos over foreigners. Austria and Turkey were incompetent allies.
>>71836383
>He believed in force, and the 'survival of the fittest' in domestic as well as foreign politics...
interpret it however you want. Let's look at the conquests Germany wanted to do in Europe. They would annex Flanders and Luxemburg. Grand Conquest, ain't it?
>Do you know why the British referred to the Germans as huns?
Because le ebic germans are stupid svavge memes?
>In fact, Willy went as far as to promise the Belgians restoration of Burgundy if they sided with them against the French. He certainly had offensive intentions.
I doubt they would invade directly afterwards. They also promised Italy to gain territories if they attacked their ally.
>All these implied implications are moving away from the original point: Germany demanded colonies it did not need, further pissing off both the French and the British. Bismarck opposed these colonies.
Don't you remember when Germany gave the entirety of west Africa to France so they would forget Elsass?
>Because France and Russia somehow did not rely on trade? If a "blockade" results in just as much starvation as in an unblockaded country, that blockade isn't very effective.
I don't know about France and Russia in that case, but I know for a fact that Germany was starved because their reliance on their trading.
>They had been since forever. They could've been appeased
Yes. Appease them. Tell Austria to give up their Slavic lands from Croatia to Slovakia and Czechia. Maybe they will forget their fantasies about a Russia to the Elbe when they are even stronger.
You can't appease panslavists. Simple as that.
>You can't give someone something they already own. You can only take it from them, as the Germans did.
If I recall correctly France didn't own Elsass during 1871-1918.
But le German aggressor meme has no stop.
>Then what caused it? The "Versailles diktat" that was much more lenient than Brest-Litovisk?
Doesn't matter. If Poland doesn't want to give up the German free city they get war.
>>71838199
>put those old stories to rest.
NO, it's the only thing we have left... :,(
Cecil of Salisbury writing in 1885
“Time and chance might provide the answer to the Russian problem: revolution, Islamic revivalism or war against Germany---Britain should wait, be on guard.”
>>71837942
But German HQ want war. Now.
They were afraid that modernized Russia will be to much to handle in the future and now its weak(as they get ass kicked by Japan).
So war now.
The French was defeated before, Russia is weak, Britain don't want war(and won't help their old enemy France). War. NOW.
They want war because they expect to win. They have best army, best artillery, best logistic.
War now.
Realpolitik.
>>71838186
>Sazonov
Obvious anglo agent.
>>71838246
Sergey Sazonov (1913)
“Serbia has only gone through the first stage of her historic road and for the attainment of her goal much still endure a terrible struggle in which her whole existence may be at stake. Serbia’s promised land lies in the territory of present-day hungary...it is a vital interest of Serbia...attain the necessary degree of preparedness for the future inevitable struggle.”
>>71835712
Królewiec is rightfully Polish.
>>71838459
They where forced by new-made "german" elite to fight. They where afraid, that Prussian-Russian union will dismantle eternal anglo.
They are still afraid.
>>71838459
France also feared the growing strength of Germany, and Britain also feared the growing strength of Russia (who could threaten India)
----however, yes German generals wanted war.
>>71836666
>The "Versailles diktat" that was much more lenient than Brest-Litovisk
Then you should have seen how it would have been if Russia didn't lose.
>So accepting that the Saverne Affair happened one year before WW1 broke out. So accepting that Alsatians were not deployed on the Western Front because the German high command feared mass desertion.
There were still problems but overall there were still many Germans in Elsass that wanted to stay in Germany especially because their situation would have been better in Germany.
>...please tell me that I just fell for an incredibly elaborate troll and not a grossprussiums imperialiums basement dweller that's only barely literate.
I knew you would take the bait. And they say Germans have a superiority complex…
>>71838621
This. It has been under Polish rule for many hundreds of years, more than under Prussia/Germany kek.
>>71829109
Germany as a single entity should never have existed, simple.
>>71838722
> polish-lithuanian totaly legit madeupshit i just drew.jpg
>>71835723
And yet even with all those """alpha""" soldiers the Polish military would get roflstomped by Germany just like in 1939.
>>71836666
you remind me of the people Hitler talks about in Mein Kampf... muh Brest-Litovisk.
>>71838848
>madeupshit i just drew.jpg
Are you retarded or something mongol?
>>71838910
> look i can redraw it "papermap" style
Now i`m convinced.
>>71838997
Just kill yourself.
>>71838910
>Pomeranian Republic
>Republic of Estonia
>Poland Lithuania???
Believable.png
>>71838621
>Królewiec is rightfully Polish.
While I disagree, you certainly have more claim to the city than the fucking Russians.
>>71838910
Russians have been making up history ever since the steppe hordes cucked them
>>71839119
>>Pomeranian Republic
>>Republic of Estonia
Yes, those names are retarded but the 17th century PLC borders are correct.
>>71839175
Of course.
>>71839043
> i got more pictures where polacks are da kingz and my anecdote must insult you greatly
Wew lad.
>>71839302
>i got more pictures where polacks are da kingz
Of course.
>>71839367
>>71829109
They didn't talk to anyone so it was really easy for you and the Frog's to talk everyone into trying to wipe them out
>>71839388
>>71829109
It's interesting that Germans are more likely to get butthurt over allegations that their incompetence started WWI than they are to get butthurt over allegations that they threw kikes into ovens.
>>71839175
It's really funny how it became Russian
>1945
>Germany is defeated, Eternal Teutons cut off from Prussia to prevent yet another War
>Królewiec was ment to Poland
>Suddenly Stalin
>"Nyet, Sovietski Sayuz needs this port, let me draw a straight, unhistorical line"
>But tovarish Stalin, you already have Riga, Klaipeda, Stalin and Leningrad, what would you want a Królewiec
>...
>Stalin?
>"You go to gulag. Also I will not use Russian name, Karlgard but name it after a war criminal"
>>71839043
>>71838910
>>71838722
>>71838406
If Poland so great, then why do you clean toilets in Sweden?
>>71839548
Denying the holocaust is denying one of our greatest accomplishments and not good.
>>71839043
Russians only know how to suicide via German bullets
>>71839608
Because we aren't drug ourselves with Krokodil and have HIV
>>71839644
>Believing in fairy tales
>>71839690
Well atleast you have thing in common sending all your whores to us so we can pay tribute to turks.
>>71839043
>>71839367
>>71839388
>>71839475
If Poland is so great, how did it dissappear for so long?
>>71839567
> stalin forces prussian territories to polack scum
> draws a single line for a 10% of territory, that polacks now unlegitimately occupy
> polack > gibmedat gibmedat gibmedat gibmedat
>>71839472
burger-schooling:
only good for learning how to flip burgers.
>>71839608
>why do you clean toilets in Sweden?
The thing is...
>>71839641
I don't. :)
>>71839475
WE WUZ KROLEMAGNE N SHIET GERMAN BOY GIBSMEDAT TRIBUTE
GERMANBOI SPREADING PROPAGANDA WE WUZ FRANKS N SHIT MY MAN FRANKS WERE A SLAVIC TRIBE UNTIL GERMAN DEVIL CAME IN AND COLONIZED AND ENSLAVED US
>>71839897
>what went wrong?
not putting differences with France aside much earlier.
>>71839817
Partitions era Poland is way too underground for you.
>>71839897
> literally poorly redrawn tatars
> muh kingdom
>germanboo stormfags
Germany should have been wiped off the map after WW2
>>71839942
>WE WUZ KROLEMAGNE N SHIET GERMAN BOY GIBSMEDAT TRIBUTE
EXACTLY, U GETTING IT MANE >>71837956
>UNTIL GERMAN DEVIL CAME IN AND COLONIZED AND ENSLAVED US
1772-1795 we will always remember + 1939.
>>71840109
Cry some more mongol scum, Lipka Tatars are based btw.
>>71840199
But if it was what would be source of our laughs?
>>71840199
>germanboo
>literally 90% american posters are edgy germanboo kids with some brain damage
>>71839817
Because you Germ fucks are the true cancer of Europe.
1772-95 - 3 vs 1
1939 - 3 vs 1
All these germans and poles arguing about that clay that was Finnish centuries before the indo-europeans even came to Europe. Fuck all of you. We used to neighbors to the Basques. But you can keep that clay as a gift and as a sorry for all we've done to you orjas.
>>71838315
Pathetic is he who waves old stories in front of your face which nobody remembers and nobody cares about. *Literally* nobody in Germany knows about the historic events you cite and nobody cares.
Just be proud of what you are today, all I'm saying.
>>71838406
That's not true. You have Kaczyński :^)
But really: You are doing well, even if politics are currently a bit bumpy.
>>71840811
>WE WUZ MONGRELS AND SHIIIET
>>71840923
The thread got taken over by faggots who don't give a fuck about history.
Had a good discussion going though.
>>71840923
>stories in front of your face which nobody remembers and nobody cares about. *Literally* nobody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM-p8PGn3CI - 2:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc-RWtovrqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwRTBmLaTU8
>>71841103
>You are doing well, even if politics are currently a bit bumpy.
Being a German colony, having low wages/high migration and losing your sovereignty to the CE/EU is not doing great.
>>71841180
>WE WUZ ICE N SHEET
We were in Europe 8 000 years before Genghis Khan even unified the Mongols
>>71841187
I just love derailing Prussian cockroach threads, can't help it.
It all justified, even today muslim invasion is justified
>>71838621
>Królewiec
you mean Konigsberg
>>71841187
You are very mistaken, kind sir. The faggot here is giving you the German perspective. While I understand the need of Poland to assert itself and its identity, I feel that the events cited by the polefags are just too insignificant for today's political situation. They are weak shadows of former glory. You can say Grunwald or Tannenberg to any German and they will literally not know what you are talking about.
These "Germany vs Poland" memes are basically a Poland-only game. That is the sad thing about it. Poles here want to show us their rich history and how they had real importance and we just don't give a fuck because it is so completely and utterly irrelevant to us. Sad really.
>>71841765
>game
More like banter and trolling.
>us Prussians ... are the Poles equal brothers or their servants"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzig_law
>>71838855
>Polish military would get roflstomped by Germany
Today?
>>71835480
Nice meme
>>71829109
>What went wrong?
>>71840349
your family cleaning some toilets maybe? :^)
>>71836649
Nice forged map you have there :))))
>>71841760
>Koningsberg
You mean Kaliningrad.
>>71844141
No, you mean Koenigsberg.
Failing that, you mean Krolewiec.
>>71840923
>Pathetic is he who waves old stories in front of your face which nobody remembers and nobody cares about. *Literally* nobody in Germany knows about the historic events you cite and nobody cares.
And exatly the same way nobody cares and remembers your old stories about HRE and meme Prussia. All lands that are currently Polish territory are rightfully Polish and will never be German again. So stop creating these threads because it's you who do that all the time.
>>71829109
They were betrayed at home during ww1 while the army was actually winning in France and had won over and signed peace in Russia
I'll let you guess who did the betraying
>>71844808
Please read all of my posts, anon. Can't be arsed to repeat them.
btw not OP
>>71840923
The whole west forget this old stories that make them great in first place. Whole West and germany too is now like uprooted tree ready to fall.
And its falling.
So, is this thread still Poland vs Germany?
>>71829109
Major powers didn't like Prussia, that's why most of it disappeared.
>>71845693
That's so absurd. Borders keep on changing over centuries and most Germans don't even know todays Eastern Germany was Slavic territory when Charles the Great was around.
That's why Ossis look like Untermenschen.
