You told me his economic ideas are stupid, yet the kind and intelligent people at /v/ explained how it all fits together.
Seems like a good system, most people have a very small increase in tax and a very large increase in social security, while the 1% pays a lot more tax, which they can easily afford.
Why is USA so socialistphobic?
>>71828083
Because it's wrong to steal from the rich.
>>71828083
>people at /v/
you mean those whiny 16 year olds?
>>71828083
The high increase in taxation on the super rich will just make them flee elsewhere. Enjoy redistributing nothing you communist bastards
>>71828083
>/v/
>supporting a leftist kike
lolno, you're looking at reddit/tumblr army trying to shill on /v/
>>71828241
>The high increase in taxation on the super rich will just make them flee elsewhere.
Exactly. The elite are the foundation of civilization. 99% of the population is simply too stupid to do anything but sell their labor power to the elite, who can put it to use and create value. Society needs to place the concerns of the elite first and foremost, because there won't be a society at all without them.
>>71828083
>intelligent
Well of course /v/ is going to praise socialism. They are nothing but a bunch of virgin NEETS that play video games and masturbate to cartoons in their parent's basement. Nothing would please people like them more than giving them the opportunity to make a living flipping burgers and then going home to stare at a TV screen for hours while doing drugs.
>>71828461
Do you consider yourself a subpar human who only exists to sell his labor to superior men?
>lol he's only taking an extra 10% of the middle class's money
>of course, their house payments aren't going to be 10% less expensive so they'll all be evicted and their credit will be ruined
>but that's none of my business
The choice is obvious
>>71828793
Most of us are, to be honest.
>>71828793
Probably. I think most people under 130 IQ are. I don't know if it'll end up that way.
>>71828083
>even the poorest get taxed more
commie kikes truly have no shame
Bernie Madoff 2016!
#FeeltheBern
He'll double America's money for free, no scam.
>>71829374
What's wrong with taxing the poor more? They're a net drain on society.
>>71828083
Lol, your tax rates are fucked up.
>>71828083
socialism will work this time I promise guise
>>71829591
Draining a drain.
Nice and redundant.
>>71828978
This is /pol/, no one who comes here is anything other than subpar.
>>71829459
Yeah but will he trim my armor.
>>71828241
The "One percent" are all investors.
Their income will still be taxed if it's an American company. If it's a foreign company, local tax laws apply.
>>71828461
>I don't know anything about economics
The workforce is as essential as the investors. There are just less investors.
If you want to talk about the moral implications of it, name one thing a billionaire has done that was vast contribution to society. Who invented the transistor, the Internet, rockets, steam engines, penicillin and planes? Not billionaires. The only rare few are like Gates or Nobel who had to business sense and opportunity to capitalise on their inventions.
>>71829836
Only rune and up
>>71828083
Here's a picture of me and my qt3.14 bf, /pol/.
How can you find anything wrong with this?
>>71828842
They won't need to pay for healthcare anymore.
>lol free money haha those fags are delusional
>money disappears once you give it to the government
>>71829956
Is that jon snow?
>>71828842
Pay more in tax, pay less for healthcare, it evens out okay for the first two wage groups.
It is people who make more than 75k that will feel a slight increase, and a bigger one the more wage grows.
>>71829879
The elite isn't only the billionaires. It also includes the intellectual elite who are capable of making scientific discoveries. As automation increases, 99% of people will be incapable of producing economic value or even selling labor power. They'll simply be too dumb to be worth anything.
>>71829879
Dude you are a retard, there is no taxable income if they flee. They can simply hold their assets in the market, and go to a tax haven that will welcome them. Or they could liquidate all their holdings before the new tax law is implemented. Or the companies in the US could invest in assets to use in business until their taxable income becomes 0
>>71828083
>Implying money ever goes where it's supposed to
Just because the government is taking in more money doesn't mean it isn't going to get squandered.
The government needs to spend smarter, not more.
>>71828083
>total wage tax
>34.1% above $0
that's even more than quebec and canada combined
>>71829879
>name one thing a billionaire has done that was vast contribution to society
Musk created a company that builds rockets that can resupply the ISS.
He has also created a popular electric car.
Checkmate faggot.
>>71830073
>lose $7500 you could have spent on anything your family needed it for
>gain a vague promise of $7500 worth of services from the gubment
>if you take care of your health and aren't a welfare leech, it's just money down the drain
yep, it evens out great
>>71829971
>>money disappears once you give it to the government
It basically does, government bureaucracy is a wasteful machine.
>>71828083
Where does/has socialism worked?
>>71829971
>>71830073
>people think the government taking over healthcare means they wont have to pay for healthcare
>people think the amount they'd be forced to pay a month in taxes for healthcare would be less than what they're forced to pay now
>premiums costs wouldn't continue to rise
>quality wouldn't continue to diminish inversely with wait times.
>this is true because of European countries with GDPs and populations comparable to our smallest states.
>>71830593
Hey, I don't like a big state, taxes or social benefits. If I was in charge, we'd have a small state and no benefits, so if you are poor you are forced to either work or die of hunger.
However, taxing people to provide benefits is beneficial overall, for the whole. It isnt for me or you, since we apparently rather spent on health BEFORE we need medical attention, but its good for everyone else.
>>71830617
>FBI consulting Hollywood
kek, I thought that was just a meme.
>bernie wants to tax america more than canada
hmm what could go wrong
>>71828083
So basically he thinks a man standing in a bucket can lift himself up by pulling on the handle?
>>71830886
>However, taxing people to provide benefits is beneficial overall, for the whole.
Because subsidizing bad behavior and increased governmental control has always resulted in net positives, right?
>>71830886
>if you are poor you are forced to either work or die of hunger.
Do you realize that it'll soon be the case that most of these people will literally be incapable of employment?
Now, I don't see their starvation as a bad thing, of course, it's better for the gene pool.
>>71830617
>Pizza printing technology
>Wasting taxpayers money
Pick one and leaf
>>71831097
Nah, in a welfare state people arent allowed to die.
You can live your whole 108 year long life without a single day of employment in the USA.
You will be a huge burden on the state and the nation, but you can easily do that, and live somewhat comfortably.
Because you can;t tax them if they don't pay it.
>>71830617
these could all be lies and i would never know because that isn't a valid source!
>>71828083
You could easily do all what Bernie is doing with the current tax rate if we do Feder's banking plan.
>>71831121
those clever puns are why you're #1, spider island.
>>71831246
bernie just wants to tax the lower and middle classes more even though they can't afford the 34% tax rate
>>71831219
I know, I'm just saying that if you had a state with no benefits, in the near future, most of the population will be starving because they're unemployable, unless there is massive welfare. You do agree that this is good, right?
>>71831259
That's true. However there are plenty of less kooky examples of government waste to illustrate how you shouldn't want to pay more taxes, such as endless money funnelled into dem programs.
Here in Canada, our great leader just pledged $8.4B to pander to natives.
>The Liberal government of Justin Trudeau unveiled a federal budget Tuesday containing $8.4 billion worth of spending commitments to Indigenous communities across the country along with a pledge to undertake substantial on-reserve education reform and begin negotiations to establish a new fiscal relationship with First Nations.
The federal budget contained commitments to spend $4.2 billion on education, children and training, $1.2 billion on social infrastructure and $2.42 billion for green infrastructure over the next five years for First Nation, Inuit, Metis and Nothern communities.
>>71831407
If you had a state with no benefits, in the near future, the people who refuse to get a job will just move to the state next door, and live with benefits there.
The big problem of the welfare state is that people who haven't contributed to the wallet can move in and start sucking from it.
Basically if you want a welfare state, you best close the borders; if you want a work4food state, you will see your own lazy people moving away and your neighbor's best people move in, as they can work with less tax here.
Thus a no-welfare state will force states around it to also drop welfare, or they will go bankrupt as their businesses and best workers move away to a place that doesn't tax them, while lazy parasites move in.
>>71830638
It's never been tried
>>71831708
venezuela...
>>71831613
You know private charities and aid programs are a thing, right?
A majority thing? As in, most volunteer work is by private individuals?
>>71831613
What are they going to do when development in the state next door reaches the point where they're unemployable there, too?
Eventually, this situation will extend across the entire globe, except maybe in Africa because blacks are so dumb that there will never be any development there.
This is why I support an IQ test for breeding. It's immoral to have children with under 130 IQ.
>>71831708
>socialism has never been tried
Socialism has been tried everywhere, and is currently somewhat working in Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden and UK.
>>71831708
0/10
>>71831708
>It's never been successful
Failed attempts are still attempts.
>>71831781
it's on the brink of failure in all of those places
>/v/
>economists
>>71828083
Yeah except nobody wants to pay higher taxes.
People want lower taxes and more services, you can't have it both ways.
>>71831814
star-trek was a successful implementation of socialism
>>71831781
2/10
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/scandinavia-isnt-a-socialist-paradise/
Capitalism with high taxes and social programs is not the same as a socialist economy faggo
>>71831964
Star Wars was better
>>71831964
Your family is a successful implementation of communism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs; dad making the most money, yet spending the least, people sharing kitchen ware and housing space, kids getting a ton of resources spent on them even though they produce nothing, no money being exchanged when giving each other favors and services, etc.
Thing is it couldn't even be implemented on a state-wide scale, let alone made work.
Even at its peak the USSR still had private property, currency and a government.
>>71830886
I don't have a problem with the wealth redistribution or safety net factor of it, because it's negligible. The problem is the government monopolization of healthcare and suffocation of the market.
We can see the effects very well in our own country - widespread corruption, widespread shortages, yet the funding of the "too big to fail" government healthcare institution only grows and grows.
We don't have a shortage of smartphones, new cars, brand-name clothes, malls and high-speed internet, but shortage of ambulances and medical specialists is a nationwide problem. Only a government monopoly can create these conditions.
It has also created a massive rift in the quality of service available to the people who have to stick to public healthcare because a big chunk of their income is locked there, and the people (top 10%) rich enough to write all that money off and go private. Same thing in education.
>>71830073
Just because you make less than that makes it okay to take from those who do? why
>>71832163
>Your family is a successful implementation of communism
Families existed millennia before communism was even a term. Juxtaposing natural human instincts involving monogamous pair bonding and raising offspring is some Bill Nye fuckboy shit.
>>71828083
>You told me his economic ideas are stupid, yet the kind and intelligent people at /v/ explained how it all fits together.
>Seems like a good system, most people have a very small increase in tax and a very large increase in social security, while the 1% pays a lot more tax, which they can easily afford.
>Why is USA so socialistphobic?
We don't need higher taxes, they are too high already and need to be lowered. Not being taxed enough is not a problem ...Spending too much is a problem.
Attack the problem.
>>71832273
Read the thread, I don't support a welfare state and I am opposed to social benefits.
I think I should pay no tax, and instead buy a ticket to use the road for a month, pay for medicine when I need it, have all public projects work like a Kickstarter, so I can only help fund it if I think its a good idea.
Fuck it, that way I may actually end up spending more on the state, but at least I will be spending it on things I know I want. I'd gladly go over 10% for a project to fix the holes in the road in my neighborhood or to tune up the park nearby.
>>71828083
>MAH ROBIN HOOD ECONOMICS
There have been so many papers
Documents
Articles
FUCKING REAL LIFE EXAMPLES of why it fails
Yet each fucking time
>MAYBE THIS TIME I CAN ACTUALLY GET FREE SHIT
God fucking dammit
>>71828083
>socialistphobic
not a thing faggot. stay in your shithole country
>>71832718
socialists dont get that rich people WANT the tax rates to be higher
they keep all their money overseas anyways so they dont give a shit
>>71828083
Prove to me how raising taxes means the government will spend the money responsibly
>>71828083
>/v/ intellectuals
>>71830212
We're talking about the economic elite. Nobel prize winners don't get taxed at 40% when they win a Nobel prize.
If that sort of automation arrives the economy would collapse because 99% unemployment means no one to buy anything.
>>71830238
Yes, there is. If I invest in an American company and derive profits from it, I'm taxed by the US government. You didn't think you stopped paying taxes because you invest overseas, did you?
Businesses already use tax havens. Look it up, tax rate starts dropping for the exceptionally wealthy - top few percent kind. Despite progressive taxation.
Deriving profits from stocks counts as captial gains and is subject to captial gains tax. They could invest all their money to avoid taxes forever but they'd never see their money again unless they sell the stocks, which are then taxed.
>>71830578
>engineers built a rocket that sent a man to the moon
>rubber plantations workers keep cars on the road
>supermarket workers prevent people from starving
EVERY sector is vital to the economy.
Musk is overrated. His engineers made the necessary inventions which set him out from others yet he gets all the credit.
Colonising Mars is also a stupid idea.
>>71830617
The American government collects trillions in revenue. And everything except the last two are worthwhile. Can't have foreign diplomats eating off paper planted and plastic cups.
>>71830645
Read my post American. The government spends your taxed on services to the people. The only issue is efficency.
Most American would probably pay less, considering economic inequality and progressive taxation.
Arguably your marginally better healthcare isn't offset by how expensive it is.
>>71833184
>supermarket workers prevent people from starving
no they dont lmao food grows in the dirt hahaha
>>71828083
>most people have a very small increase in tax
wut
>>71828083
why does $75,300 have to pay so much?
>>71833593
>The only issue is efficency.
Which the government cannot provide any more than a private entity. Not in terms of cost, nor time, no choice.
>Most American would probably pay less, considering economic inequality and progressive taxation.
Buzzwords are not an argument. Define your terms with supporting evidence.
>Arguably your marginally better healthcare isn't offset by how expensive it is.
It used to be cheaper, but then the government got involved, now it's falling apart and costs are rising.
But surely more government will fix it.
>>71833184
>>71833184
Exactly no trades= no profit and sandberg is purposing 30% transaction tax. Meaning the smart thing to do is hold all stocks or off load quickly. Since if your returns are lower than 30 % you lose money. If the stocks payout dividends its different but there are options in that case too. Flee the US market move to somewhere that has low tax rates and would gladly welcome a super rich individual
>>71828083
Because I don't want to see America adopt one of the worst aspects of black culture - blaming and taking from other people to solve our problems. It's insanely self-destructive.
>>71833762
9% is small stupid goy!!!
stop being entitled!
>>71832251
>implying our government taxes us much
99% of people don't declare their earnings.
I make 2700 lv per month, yet I get taxed for 700 lv.
The rest I just get given in cash in an envelope at the end of the month. Both me and the employer save some money, and the government remains poor, and everything remains shit.
Everyone is doing this. If you arent, people probably laugh at you for being the dumbass who pays the bill.
