What's more of a disgrace, having no aircraft carrier at all or having one with a ramp?
>>71812089
What's wrong with ramps?
Check your ground angle privilege shitlord.
>A FUCKING RAMP
Having one with a ramp obviously. That is cheating
>>71812089
I think the actual numbers of updated carriers/subs is what makes your country a disgrace or not.
>>71812089
Well. I'd rather have no Camaro at all, than one with a V6. So there's your answer I guess.
>>71812089
Landlocked faggots gtfo
>>71812182
You're a nigger and probably use that automated handicapped button for fat people in wheelchairs to enter stores instead of just opening up the door.
>>71812089
>>71812089
Do you even have a navy?
>>71812265
Now all the handicapped planes can get on.
Ramps are top lad
>cheaper than catapults
>cost much less to maintain
>real ships have curves shitlord
>get to pretend you're doing the sickest jump in history that lasts for hours when taking off
>disabled access
>make the ramp hollow and maybe have a sweet den under it
It's totally better please no bully
>>71812408
Literally for what purpose lel?
>>71812182
First shitpost best post
>>71812472
>real ships have curves shitlord
10/10
>>71812089
>austria
Your national defense is our problem since 1941.
>>71812472
We have magnets now you goddamn crumpet eater, those are pretty damn based.
And the ships with curves look like a literal unwiped asshole compared to American supercarriers. Lel que the pic of that piece of shit the Chinese bought from Russia or w/e, had black smoke coming out of it kek!
>>71812089
The ramp's fine.
Having one with no planes on it.
>>71812472
Literally do you see a fucking ramp on this? Even the goddamn Avengers knew better.
>>71812388
flat master-race
>>71812182
The problem is that having these things leads you to behave as if you had carriers.
>>71812618
>putting together many high value targets in one small place
Do Americans even bother reading the doctrine of other nations?
>>71812849
It has a fucking ramp. Besides your duty as Indian would be shoving her poop deck.
>>71812849
>flat mater race
>posts one with a ramp
>>71812904
>poop deck
that's called biological warfare sven
>>71812915
that was the joke, famalam
poking fun at the "flat masterrace" goys
>>71812089
Aircraft carriers still serve as Dreadnaugts 100 years ago, for boosting prestige. It is better to have one no matter how outdated than none.
>>71812744
>le one explosive arrow would have crashed the ship if not for iron manlet
Knew better and helicarrier don't belong in the same sentence
We have a frigate :DDDD
>>71812958
*finn not sven
fug
I really need to sleep
>>71812618
Norfolk?
>>71812893
>Implying anybody would ever get close enough to that dock to even see the carriers
>>71812976
>entire aircraft compliment and most of the crew have at some point been sucked into the lift fans
>>71812893
They have this thing as insurance.
>>71812893
>Not having a fucking based aerospace command and naval assets already in the water to counter possible threats
About the only real threat is a sub and that is mutual for all countries lol, still not concrete though.
Terrible post my friend!
>>71812977
Why do you have a ruski flag on the back of it?
>>71812893
They had peal harbour. Then proceeded to learn nothing since clearly all American materiel is invincible.
>>71812089
Having an aircraft carrier with no functioning aircraft is pretty bad desu senpai.
>>71813084
ICBMs are the 'real' threat.
>>71812849
thats a cheap carrier made by the russian (ex-Amiral Gorshkov), you can't even build one by yourself. also it has a fucking ramp.
>>71813130
>they destroyed a fleet of ships
>the US quadruples output and makes 10 more in its place
Smart thinking! xxDD
>>71813154
>what is mutually assured destruction for 40 shekels
>>71813101
It's not tho.
>>71812958
>that's called biological warfare sven
Poop deck is a real term. Pic related even more designated poop deck of INS Vikrant that is under construction..
>>71812995
>*finn not sven
>fug
>I really need to sleep
No problems.
>>71812849
>>71813191
France knows whats up. Pic related, get fucked Britfags, France was always our greatest ally.
>>71812387
SAYS THE AMERICAN
AMERICAN
>>71813216
>American military
>Protoss in price
>Zerg in application
>>71812089
Says the landlocked faggot who's nation is famous for Hitler and being ranked 57th in global military strength.
>GG
>>71813191
nigger
>>71812958
also we're building 2 Aircraft Carriers on our desu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier
ok bye now i got to slepp
Doesn't it get pretty cold in the North Sea? Thought the reason for ramps is the hazard from using steam catapults in the cold.
I don't need carriers. Legion Wushu best Kung Fu in the Mystical Ancient West. The force of the buddha balanced with the mind and body
https://youtu.be/9iiqZBWDifQ
>>71813253
>France was always our greatest ally.
No wonder you lost in Vietnam :^)
>>71813306
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier
How much of the funds for the carriers production is allocated for corruption?
>>71813253
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVdBLFCtB3M
>>71813084
Kekd
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-submarine-stalked-us-aircraft-carrier/
>>71813329
>>71813404
>>71812089
Accepting shitskins into your country and letting them fuck your women.
>>71812618
No you dont lol. those people developing EM catapults are having a bitch of a time perfecting them at the moment.
>>71812849
Does it have a "poop deck" ?
>>71812089
What about having an aircraft carrier and no aircraft? :^)
>>71813435
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/19/german-army-reduced-to-using-broom-handles-instead-of-rifles/
>>71813447
red army was too strong we had no other choice
>>71813447
Europe is getting too boring. Can you imagine having the best quality of life in the whole world for half a century straight (you probably can't imagine having a full fridge) and not wanting to go to war for the fuck of it?
Who doesn't wanna fight in a European Race war?
>>71813536
>>71813297
>2016
>thinking price matters with the US military
KEK!
>>71813379
Yes subs can do that, but there is still a good chance they can be detected so its a gamble desu senpai, that goes for everyone
>>71813648
>Yeah subs will wreck our shit but please don't.
>>71812089
It's flat so aircraft can land from whatever side.
Wouldn't need ramps if we had VTOLs that work.
>>71813638
http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/germanys-military-dying-13748
>>71813883
>Germany was originally buying 180 Eurofighters, but a cancelled purchase in 2014 means only 143 fighters will be acquired. As of October 2014, only 42 of 109 Eurofighters were in flying condition, the rest grounded by lack of spare parts. At the same time, Germany reportedly halved annual flying hours for air crews, fearing that the fuselage would become unstable.
>>71813799
Even if we did, they work better with a ramp. Can carry more ordinance that way.
That's the trade-off of a ramp vs a cat. Cats can launch more types of aircraft. Ramps are cheaper and what they can launch carry more.
>>71813253
that thing is a POS the spends most of it's time sitting in port making the french feel important. the list of shit that has gone wrong with that ship is long and hilarious. for instance, for a period of months the rear third of the vessel was rendered uninhabitable by a 130db continuous banging sound. it eventually went away on its own and they never figured out what the fuck caused it.
>>71812309
I know, right. Who wants a V6 when you can get the ol' L4 Iron Duke?
>>71813932
>Beauty & Bowel Movements at the Palace of Versailles, Paris
>Defecation on the floors of the palace, human waste thrown from the windows on to the leather umbrellas of those walking below, and pug urine used as face cleanser, were apparently all a part of the life at Versailles.
http://thehostelgirl.com/beauty-bowel-movements-at-the-palace-of-versailles-paris/
FROGFAGS WERE THE ORIGINAL POO-IN-LOOS
>>71813883
Your army is cucked there's no denying it
I'm an expert on cucked armies like ours
>>71813748
>sub finds lone carrier with radar what could possibly not even be on for multiple reasons
>carriers are designed to travel with a strike group
>lol btfo xD
Try harder Euronigger
>>71813883
is it allowed to learn history outside >muh 6 gorillon in germany?
>a fucking Confederation of the Rhine
>2016
>anti-air systems with over 500km range everywhere
>still bragging about carriers
You know, even submarines more relevant now.
>>71814062
Thanks for the "1 Airbus A310 MRTT for in-flight refueling"
Very useful.
>>71814136
>Lone carrier
>Literally entire fleet of them at anchor in port
Current militaries are a farce. Billions spent to build things that will never see the kind of action they were built for because if they ever did the world would end. So instead they are used against goats and farmers in holes and there's no reason for a bit of prudence in their defence because they haven't a hope in hell of even reaching them.
>>71813478
They call it a "designated pooping deck"
>>71812472
I have no problem with ramps. Having two isles however, is stupid as fuck.
>>71814158
Keep trying frog, we shall see any attempt you make for power destroyed. You shall always suck British cock
>>71812473
Because France could attack.........STOP LAUGHING!
>>71814449
>only one carrier
>can't carry aircraft but only helicopter
>it has a fucking ramp
I you were the one who sucked the anglo and their technology
>>71814673
I bet *
>>71812089
I think it's more about future use, than present. What advances that are in the pipeline, for future tecnology. Drone aircraft are the future, unmanned craft can, if the technology is available, out perform manned as there is no need to take human comfort into the equation.
We had one, no ramp tho
>>71813004
Looks like it
>>71812387
>automated handicapped button for fat people in wheelchairs
WTF are you talking about?
Is that an Amerifat thing?
>>71815035
Yes. Ever seen a person in a wheelchair try and open a door? Now they have automated doors that open with either a button or a sensor.
>>71812089
what's dumber, having a ramp or a complex steam cannon which something could go wrong with just so you won't have a ramp?
>>71812089
>2 islands
for what purpose?
>>71812089
how do the planes not crash into the railings?
>>71812089
Actually, what IS wrong with a ramp? Serious question here.
>>71813828
>>71814086
>>71813883
I don't even get why Old Euro countries need armies. You have no external military threat, you don't boarder Russia.
We on the other hand, would actually need an army, because we have a potential enemy on our doorstep.
>>71817327
One runs the ship, the other runs the flying. Means more space for the smooth operation of both.
>>71813359
All of the loos.
>>71812089
Ramp
It's like dribbling between your legs by picking one leg up
>>71817944
by that logic murrica needs an army even less..
>>71817575
It's cheaper (and therefore bad) and can't launch as many types of aircraft that a catapult can.
>>71817944
>3900 miles of border with Canada
>1900 miles of border with Mexico
>12000 miles of coastline
Surely nothing can go wrong if we're undefended.
>>71818111
Murrican army is necessary to maintain its economic and geopolitical interests.
Without it you would need to do a long rolling take off along the whole length of the deck
Meaning you would need to clear it of other craft and be only able to launch one at a time and not land any simultaneously
You should go back to /k/
>>71818270
its not like we want to burn down the whitehouse again or something..
and mexico, libruls already don't let you protect that one
>>71813253
De Gaulle doesn't work because it uses a reactor from a submarine too small for its needs
It has a straight deck because it doesn't have STOVL aircraft
>>71812089
Having one with a ramp.
If you don't have a carrier, it propably means you don't need one in the first place.
Carriers are for long-distance projection of power.
>>71814673
helicopters do rolling take offs when heavily loaded
>>71812089
>cuckramps
>>71818526
its the current year
you don't _need_ penises either
I think a more pertinent question is why do you people derive some sort of sense of emotional fulfillment from your/others militaries
>>71818806
You have to step it up if you wanna compete with Australia, leaf-kun.
>>71812618
DELETE THIS!
>>71818974
we put all our military budget into Weapon X
Hai guise wats going on?
>>71819413
you don't have those anymore
>>71819413
Neat picture, but you do realize that is an antique right?
>>71813453
Wrong Mr bong. The first of our new aircraft carrier class uses the magnet launch and is currently in sea trials.
P.s it's doing fucking great.
>>71812089
Having 20 of them while your nation has no universal health care, the highest income tax rates in the world and a population of over 40 million people living below poverty.
>>71813004
Norfolk and way, man.
Are carriers still revelant?
One missile and its all over.
>>71812182
>A RAMP
>A FUCKING RAMP
>>71812259
Still, we have no ramps.
So we're better.
>>71812089
> tfw no seashore
>>71812388
>Using a fleet carrier
>Not using actual 100,000 ton Nimitz class supercarriers
>mfw they still have no ramp either way.
>>71812472
>STOVL planes are less capable than CATOBAR
>no COD
>no fixed wing AEW&C
Kill yourself
>>71818270
don't worry the mighty Australian military will defend you!
>>71820032
Yes and no. They're very useful for getting aircraft to the god forsaken shitholes of the planet that lack the infrastructure to operate modern warplanes from. Which also happen to be the places all the wars tend to take place.
In terms of doing what they were actually built to do? Maybe. They're not defenceless, even against missiles.
Can Denmark into carriers?
Pic related.
>>71820032
thats why they go everywhere with a battlegroup, good luck getting near it
>>71818156
Thanks m8. Always wondered about that.
>>71820337
That's not a carrier.
When we mean carriers we mean fixed wing aircraft carriers.
>>71820337
Where are the windows? Does something stink so bad in the state of Denmark that they don't even use windows anymore?
>>71820415
:(
I know...
I just wish Denmark would get a decent fleet. We used to rule the waves. Until those slimey bongs surprise attacked us in 1807 and stole it.
>>71820535
the whole things is a helicopter hangar
>>71812089
still no one can do worse than aussies...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Melbourne_(R21)
the only carrier that almost sunked 2 of its own without even firing
and is responsible to jumpstart the chinese aircraft carrier program
>>71820535
What the fuck would you need windows for? There are windows on the bridge but thats about it.
>>71820264
Unless of course it's against the dreaded Emu.
>the penal colony everyone
>>71820350
few years ago during a nato militaryexercise a german submarine snuck up to a US carrier, simulated firing some torpedos and then dived up right next to it. All without the carrier or any other US ship noticing until they came up.
Pretty funny
>>71820264
Buy those jap subs already. They're really good.
>>71820845
yeah but you are the u-boat masters, and you're on our side
>>71820845
>simulated firing some torpedos
.. pretending to fire something doesn't give off a sonar or radar signature that would alert the ship. That's like playing in the woods saying "Bang bang" at your friends meant you're a better shot than they are with actual firearms.
>>71812849
Mate the only thing that boat is carrying is Cholera.
Was it flat when you built it but warped due to shitty construction standards?
>>71820898
they are?
>>71820845
USN also can't run their sonar at full capacity during wargames, because "Muh Dolphins are hurt by the super-loud sonar waves".
>>71812089
Having no access to the sea I suppose.
>>71820978
They were extremly close to the ship. Had they actually fired it would have been just seconds till the impact and there's nothing that could have been done.
Sonar and other sensors are supposed to detect submarines way before they can even come close and the other ships are supposed to take out the sub marine before they come close to the carrier. The point is the german submarine was so stealthy it was undetectable and it could have done whatever it wanted
>>71812618
8/10 would nuke.
>>71821146
cucked by dolphins
>>71812618
a japanese wet dream i guess
>>71821309
Only for wargames though. In the event of an actual conflict, you can safely bet all of your maple syrup that they are going full blast with that sonar, and they gon find you.
>>71821438
they HOPE, but haven't even tested it
>>71821438
yeah because using the sonar at full capacity will ensure a victory against a silent(AIP) submarine....
>>71812420
Holy shit dude.
>>71813992
Source me Bro I could use a good laugh.
>>71819661
Those antiques kicked so much ass in desert storm. The USS Missouri and Wisconsin rained down precision volleys faster and cheaper than anything that exists even today. Ultimately they are too expensive to maintain and lack the modern defensive armaments needed for ship warfare, but still. The battleship is pretty damn timeless.
>>71821438
also if they can't use it during wargames they surely can't use it while they are just out on the sea, so useless against a first strike
if we're talking about this on a bhutanese cave drawing board, surly the chinese know this
>>71821578
Doesn't matter how quiet the submarine is (though obviously for general stealth you don't want a brass band playing down there). Sonar works by bouncing sound off of it.
You hide from sonar by making a submarine that doesn't bounce sound back well and by blending in the the underwater topography.
>>71821470
They've tested it. That's how they know it fucks with whales when they suspiciously started turning up on beaches around their fleets.
"our" navy is owned by Germany
>>71822156
so feed the whales to the niggers instead of giving them EBT
win-win
>>71822050
subamarines now days have special coating and foam between the inner hull and the outer hull to absorb sound waves..
>>71816824
What's better, launching and landing aircraft simultaneously or only being able to do one at a time?
>>71812089
why do they need a ramp? i thought that harriers could take-off vertically??
>>71820264
Your entire navy in one picture
>>71822313
STOVL allows them to carry more fuel and armaments
>>71822232
Somewhat. Send a powerful enough sound at it and you will get something back from close(ish) range.
Keeping your sub hidden is achieved by the crew both knowing their boat's capabilities and manoeuvring accordingly and keeping it well maintained so it runs as quietly as possible, not so much the sub itself.
>>71812618
what would happen if a wing group of 50 f-16s ambushed this port? could they even sink those huge ass carriers? or atleast damage them just enough to get them out of service?
>>71822479
No.
F-16 can't carry potent anti-ship missiles.
Also in a shallow harbor they would quickly be refloated and repaired, see Pearl Harbor.
>>71812388
oh wow look how much longer the American one is
>>71822479
Only way you are going to potentially ambush anything these days is with subs. Nothing would get close enough to muster that kind of air power without all of those carriers being at full alert.
comparing assault carriers and supercarriers is like apples and oranges desu, they have totally different roles
don't blame the apples, laugh at the countries who don't even have oranges
>>71822479
>what would happen if a wing group of 50 f-16s ambushed this port?
They would be brought down by 50 precision antiaircraft measures, long before they were close enough to even get a visual of thier target.
>>71812089
Probably pussyfooting around Article 9 by calling your carriers """""helicopter destroyers"""""
>>71822695
>>71818270
>Canada
A FUCKING LEAF is even less of a threat to any nation than an african shithole.
>Mexico
They're too busy beheading each other in their cartel wars and being a chaotic shithole in general.
>12000 miles of coastline
Having a navy doesn't hurt though.
>>71822313
We don't operate the harrier anymore. That ship's built to take the F-35 (which is will be in operation before it has any damn planes to fly because the shitheap jets are that late).
Those too can technically take off vertically, but can carry more shit if you launch them normally. In most cases VTOL/STOVL planes only land vertically (when they are empty and light).
>>71812388
More like Flat
ANGLO-ED
>>71812976
>iron manlet
Made me kek way hard
You made an american giggle from across the world, bong.
>>71822467
it doesnt work like that lol there are limits even on warfare to be used by a sonar
also small correction for the amerifags
the flight deck on the carriers are angled on its entirety at 2 degrees relative to the horizon
so no even if its just for such a small angle your ass is as much as cucked as brits are
>>71822872
I wish the japs would build a proper carrier. And name it Yamato.
This fat bitch will finally be added to the fleet in September.
>>71823080
It does work like that. Acoustic tiles and clever hull design help a lot but they're not magic invisibility cloaks.
>>71823228
You know there was a Yamato-class ship that was a proper carrier at the same time right?
The Shinano.
>>71823230
What value does your mother give to the fleet?
Carriers don't matter when mass immigration is destroying the west.
>>71823293
Depth is, however
>what is the thermocline
>>71823349
>>71823293
i mean that there are regulations on a naval warfare that prevents the use of the sonar on a high pitch so its really of no use
>>71823309
Yeah but it was a shit design and died like a bitch. Yamato would also fit since carriers are now the kings of the seas.
>>71820204
before 1991 you used to have a very big seashore.
>>71823474
The funny thing about fluffy bunny "b-b-ut what about the w-w-whales" regs like that is they go out the window the moment you mean business.
>>71823349
HMS Sheffield
HMS Ardent
HMS Antelope
HMS Coventry
SS Atlantic Conveyor
RFA Sir Galahad
>>71814158
>Before Napoleon's campaign in Russia
>>71821220
every country claims to have "stalked" a US carrier during war-games, even our faggot collins class diesel dildos claim it, end of the day war-games are just that games, burgers could probably bomb that sub before it even left port in a real war
>>71812089
The biggest one is to have 2 air-carriers and then sell one as scrap metal, other for 20 kk usd and 2 crates of cheap booze to China "to build a casino".
And then China makes no casino, but just uses it as a aircarrier.
>>71816824
A ramp is dumber.
>>71820535
its for that sweet sweet CBRN rating
>>71823597
when im talking about navar warfare i mean naval warfare not on training...
the coatings are very effective till 90-95db after that the sound creates vibrations on the water and it can effects both the sub and the ship in question
and im sure you know what a pressure wave can do
>>71813447
We do it like nobody in europe, mate.
>>71813567
Why fight? Just nuke isle of man, windsor, vienna, malta and zurich.
>>71823879
Yeah, and the people that make the sonars know that and work around it. Warfare in general is a funny race of weapon, counter weapon, counter counter weapon, counter counter counter weapon.
They have yet to make the perfect one that can't be defeated.
>>71823646
fun times
>>71822363
Wooo we Carrier now baby!
got 2 of deese suckas from pedro.
>>71824930
Lelz at the NIMBY's
>residents in front of the wall of grey steel that is blocking the harbour view and making them miserable
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/city-east/residents-fume-as-hmas-canberra-blocks-their-view-keeps-them-awake-and-now-theres-another-one-on-the-way/news-story/b06e39da4a4839943eff96843f98a161
>>71825168
Pretty decent shippost
>>71812849
That has a ramp. Sad!
>>71814673
Fuck Spain, We suck eachothers cocks in equal measure, vive le Franglais
>>71812387
>he doesn't push the button anyway for hygiene purposes
>>71821137
Soryu class are the best diesel subs in the world.
>>71812388
Why though? isn't just a waste of resources and a hindrance?
Surely the ramp, as beta as it looks is more efficient?
>>71820602
sorry bout that man, if we didn't then when Napoleon butt fucked you he'd have a larger fleet than us so we had to. Had to put ourselves first and protect our island. Still... damn shame, feels bad to hurt other europeans
>>71825168
wtf, I'd be bloody proud to have the defenders of my nation near me, fucking NIMBY bastards, guess every nation has them
>>71812893
>>71813130
Old picture of the Norfolk Naval Yard in the USA.
First of all, if anyone could actually menace those 4 aircraft carriers and 3 Marine Assault crafts in the middle of Virginia with anything short of a nuke I would be shocked.
Second of all, that is like 5% of the entire of fleet, and at the time this picture was taken there were around 16 other Aircraft carriers not in it.
>>71824544
well the russians did tho
>>71826174
>wtf, I'd be bloody proud to have the defenders of my nation near me, fucking NIMBY bastards, guess every nation has them
Really pissed at you Brit motherfuckers, cooking the books to meet the minimum NATO requirement.
How much longer do you get to hide behind our skirt, enjoy your free healthcare and all your other dole perks, while we pay to defend your lymie asses?
Shit, even 90% of "RAF" bases in UK are actually disguised US bases. Trump is 100% right on this one. Pay your own way.
(yes, I know, flag, am visiting family, have told story and why I'm here literally 50 times this week the few times I've posted).
>>71812618
I'd hit that.
>>71819972
>highest income tax rate in the world
>highest US bracket is %39.6
>highest Aus bracket is 45% + 54k
Where my rampbros at.
>>71829068
and yet you are being cucked by some saudis
>>71829318
I'm with you, brother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC9OJFWz3DQ
>>71829555
The F35 looks like absolute shit, you silly bong.
>>71812388
Impressive burgers...now you just need to stop showing up late or losing wars.
:^)
>>71812089
Ramps are great exercise devices.
>CO Captain Christopher Smith finds a use for Canberra's 'ski jump'
>>71812388
> 2016
> still being proud of oversized ships that swallow too many resources
> still being proud of slow and easy to hit monsters that need a whole fleet to be safe
Way to go, US
best shitpost of the week,congrats op
>>71812744
--Burgers claiming movies are arguments
----Burgers claiming superheroes movies are arguments
-------Burgers claiming avengers superheroes movies are arguments
--------------Burgers claiming an impossible ship in an avengers superheroes movie is an argument
----------------------------Burgers claiming an impossible ship that could be grounded by throwing a fucking wrench in the turbines in an avengers superheroes movie is an argument
So many layers of retard
>>71832151
they did build a supersonic ship with 2 rockets and called it an airplane what do you expect from them?
>>71828228
What are you
Carriers are just giant targets. They are now what the battleships of WWII were....just big juicy targets to sink.
The enemy now has ballistic antiship missiles, remember that, they fly into space and come down and hit carriers, and there's no way to shoot them down.
>>71832151
You type like a retard and all your shit retarded.
>>71812182
The Bantz is Real
>>71825951
Nope, flat is better if you use a catapult launch. Ramps are used for conventional launches and try and get a bit more height/lift out of it but comes at the significant cost of sortie times, reduced payload, and reduced range of the aircraft.
UK literally was just too cheap to put in the catapult they designed the QE class with and decided that they were ok with having a substantially less effective carrier if it meant saving a bit of money.
>>71829825
It looks sleek.
>Austrians still having to start their air "force" planes by hand spinning the propeller
>>71832805
*all your shit "is"
--------------------------------------------------------Burgers unable to spell sentences of the form "A is B" in their own language, being told so by a Guiseppe
>>71832936
but us carriers ARENT flat....
not in the absolute meaning since the flight deck in relation to the horizon is 2 degrees above (5cm from the bow up)
so in a way every other carrier is way ahead when it comes to logistical support because they dont need neither a catapult nor a vast flight deck
also no if we take the flanker family as an example they can launch fully loaded from a ramp but thats because they are better designed as a plane
>>71832979
>trying to justify the over-priced air-brick also known as F-35
>>71812089
meiner
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>>71832659
>>71830431
What's better tool of naval power projection then?
>>71833338
The flankers can only launch fully loaded from a ramp by significantly cutting range because they lighten the load by cutting down on fuel weight.
>>71833661
> what is in-flight re-fuelling
>>71832659
>and there's no way to shoot them down
Literally part of every CBG, the RIM-161 SM-3.
>>71833735
something carrier based aircraft often have to make do without. especially russian ones trying to operate anyplace but their home waters
>>71833661
no not really from the whole family of russian planes currently only the mig is the one that has limited "real" range (obviously not from a carrier..)
flankers can launch fully loaded because they can create enough lift as a plane regardless of ramp or not (im talking about the gen before the gay ones with the canard wings)
>>71833735
Something the Russians can't do away from friendly territory because they can't launch tankers from their ramp ships.
>>71833439
btw say youre from 4chan and you get first rank for free.
>>71812089
Carriers are useless. I'd imagine that Cold War military strategy will quickly become obsolete in the event of a real war among powers. Except to see WW1 levels of military incompetence.
>>71833735
>We have to cut down on fuel load to launch planes
>It's okay though, we'll just bring fuel planes to refuel the regular planes we launch
>... and extra fuel planes to refuel the fuel planes we launch
>... and extra extra fuel planes planes to refuel the extra fuel planes we launch
>... and
>>71834047
Expect*
>>71833306
>not getting the fact that he's quoting another movie
Mussolini pls go
>>71834047
The war neckbeards keep clamoring for is not going to happen.
Ultrabankers turn their profits from anything that happens, and then their armies pick off anyone who tries to steer things in an uncontrollable direction.
When the 'war' finally happens, it will be the war from 1984.
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>>71812089
>tfw you see a carrier with a ramp
