>It's just a cell, bro!
>Killing this won't actually kill a real human life
>IT'S 2016
Do people not see that despite it just being a bunch of cells, it's still a human life?
yes because they're just a bunch of cells as well
>MY BODY MY CHOICE
>>71807325
Everything is just a bunch of cells. Each human is a bunch of cells. This type of language is just as bad- actually, worse than the "humanizing" language like "baby" that pro-choicers hate.
premarital sex causes crime
>>71807374
I know that, but can people not related pic related to a real human being?
>>71807456
Shit, I'll correct that:
>I know that, but can people not relate the picture to a real human being**
If a fetus is just a bunch of cells why do women get so depressed when they have a miscarriage? It's because that fetus was their child.
It's probably a nigger so who cares?
I'm fine with abortion so long as we have no adequate means of supporting orphans/foster kids in the US. Parents who can't support a kid shouldn't be forced to have them.
>>71807325
Yeah, but I recently came to a conclusion that a bunch of cells does not have a legal personality, so the government cannot be morally obliged to protect its life, and it should be the parents' decision whether to kill it or not.
>>71807325
>Do people not see that despite it just being a bunch of cells, it's still a human life?
Human life with literally no accomplishments or skills should be able to be aborted. This includes OP.
>>71807325
yes i never understood how u differiantiate im still fine with abortion because i dont think there isnt a special value to human life
>>71807851
>forced to have them
>forced
Keep your fucking legs shut then. Or use a condom.
>it is shaped like a human
who cares?
They say bunch of cells because they're implying the lack of sentience. Duh doy.
Yes it sort of looks like a human, but it has no concept of life and death. At that stage it hasn't even fully developed a CNS. It doesn't have awareness and that's a fundamental part of life let alone being human.
I can't believe I have to explain this to you retards.
>>71808041
Shit happens man. People get raped, people make mistakes. Options are important.
Do you guys think thatm microcephal is human as well?No conciousness- no life.Abortion isnt murder.
>>71807325
When you get honed in on debating whether its life or not, you lose the big picture or the practicality of the situation. Abortions happen because the female does not believe she will be able to take care of the baby, this is a classic example of prevention. And yes, mistakes and errors happen even though there is contraception as a prevention mechanism. Sperm contains human cells as well which have the capacity for life.
>it's just a starchild bro
>it's just a shift in consciousness bro
>>71808218
Eagles are endangered almost globally.
Humans are in plague proportions sue to over breeding and the inability to legally cull them.
I support abortions to the point that the mother can change her mind after she's already had the kd
>>71807325
Because it doesn't speak or have feelings. I don't see severely mentally handicapped people as humans either.
>>71808261
This.
>>71809349
You must be the edgiest kid in 7th grade.
>>71808321
This. Abortions are legal because you can't prevent them, period. If you make them illegal, women die.
What is more interesting is what time limits should be set, but that is seemingly way too advanced a topic for /pol/ to even get close to discussing.
>>71809251
Show me any country that has free abortions in week 23 (that is, without special permission due to defects or other extreme condition). Heck, show me any country that has any abortion at all legal post week 22.
>Sweden has free abortions until week 17 day 5 and with special permission until 21 day 5
>>71810921
>reddit space
>can't greentext
>pro abortion
checks out
>This. Abortions are legal because you can't prevent them, period
Same reason cannibalism pedophilia and rape are legal
Abortions should be encouraged. Especially among blacks & hispanics.
i don't care if it's a human life or not
why do you want more single moms and unwanted children floating around
>>71811306
Because murder is bad
If only there were a way to prevent pregnancy in the first place huh anon?
human =/= person
>>71811603
Source?
>>71811221
>muh feelings
Too bad no one cares about them
>>71811407
you're not going to get people to stop having sex and you're not going to stop people from having abortions
the best you can do is push contraceptives
>>71811754
>you're not going to get people to stop having sex and you're not going to stop people from having abortions
How so? This illegal abortion myth is complete jackshit. It were less than hundred a year and with rising acceptance of single mothers these numbers would diminish even more. Now abortions are in the 100000s
>>71808261
>that flag
No such country
>>71811858
i hadn't thought of it that way honestly. i wonder then why did abortion become legalized in the first place.
>>71807325
Do we, however care?
Not everything has a right to be.
>>71812098
Not sure if you are ironic
Well I can't speak for other countries but in Germany there was a big media campaign about all these street abortions and how many women die every year from it. Couple years ago the initiators smugly admitted it was a hoax
>>71807325
Sperm is a bunch of cells
I say life starts at arousal
>>71812361
Not a myth my dude.
My great grandmother got like 3 back in the 20's. She's dead now tho.
>>71809532
That's from a medical college not an abortion clinic
>>71807456
It's a potential human being, not an actual human being.
If I was rescuing drowning people and had a small boat and I had only limited space, I would save grown up women and men first, and let old people and children drown.
Adults are inherently "more human" than children because children are not complete humans yet so if they die it's a smaller loss than if an adult dies who accrued lots of knowledge and experience already.
Killing a foetus is practically equal to breaking an egg.
>>71807325
Christfag SJW detected
>>71812501
Not a myth obv but the amount of women doing it and dying from it is.
>>71812617
That made me chuckle
>>71812555
And?
i don't get why /pol/ cares so much about abortion
am i just heartless if i find it hard to care for a fetus thats hardly even sentient at all? it seems like the most useless issue to care about.
>>71807325
What about sperm? Have you ever masturbated?
You killed millions of sperm cells. Potential human beings. They were all alive, and went down the toilet, to be eaten by rats and mold.
Isn't that sad?
>>71807325
Define human life.
>>71812481
I like how this guy thinks
>>71812776
That squirmin wriggler Would be dead already if the job has been done in an abortion clinic
>>71812878
>>71812856
>sperm on its own is human life
polish education, everyone!
>>71812898
Denying me my boner is potentially ending a human life
>>71811858
>It were less than hundred a year
So how do you get reliable numbers of something that is illegal?
>and with rising acceptance of single mothers
Quite a few who go through abortions are in relationships tho, some who have already had enough kids and contraceptive failed etc
>>71812921
I think you miss the point of that gif pham
If fetuses are human then why can't they live on their own without a body to leech from?
>Switzerland is a country ready for any kind of war, especially with its neighbours. Until recently, it was still mandatory to have a nuclear shelter under every building/house. There are currently still strategic trees ready to be cut down on all roads coming into the country to cut ourselves off from the world. Military service is mandatory.
>strategic trees
gahahahhaha switzerland is this for real?
what a fucking joke of a country
>>71812856
>rats eat my cum
Kinky
>>71812986
>So how do you get reliable numbers of something that is illegal?
Doesn't matter how many do it. Murder is murder is murder.
>Quite a few who go through abortions are in relationships tho
Don't have sex if you're unwilling to face the consequences
>>71812856
>not only doesn't he get irony, but also cannot read
>>71812990
Fucking socialist fetuses, where is Steve Molyneux when you need him
>>71813089
>>71812951
meant for (You)
I always think of it like this.
Would we allow an unborn baby to be killed even in its earliest stages, before it even becomes life if it was the only successful impregnation in twenty years?
If not, that means the only reason we allow women to kill unborn babies is because 'lol we have enuf nyways.'
That's called murder, and the only reason we allow it to happen is because babies aren't scarce. That's not a moral dillema, it's plain morally wrong. If someone gives you a bread, you wouldn't throw it away because enough people have bread anyway.
Sorry I just woke up and I'm hungover.
>>71807325
I support post-natal abortion.
What now faggot.
>>71813032
>Swedecucks making fun of other countries
Shouldn't you be prepping Jamal and Hadim for your wife and daughter to enjoy?
>>71813122
Damn that's a good one. I'll use this
>>71812617
The net loss in life is higher when you let a child die.
>>71813122
>implying we wouldnt destroy the wheat plant when it just a seed to stop the bread overpopulation problem
>>71813094
We need to remove fetuses to make this country great again
If life begins at conception how come babies aren't 9 months old when they're born?
Checkmate prolifers
>>71811221
>kid would have had a fat heifer of a mother that didn't want it/resented it anyway.
Abortion was a kindness.
>>71807325
daily reminder that pregnancy is a disease tá Žbh
>>71813081
Still muh feelings.
>Don't have sex if you're unwilling to face the consequences
Maybe you're just jealous that others get to breed and you don't.
I was pro-choice until I came to the complete realization that, yes, every fetus is a human being, left alone it would develop normally and happily into a utterly unique and irreplaceable human being, and the willful act to end that life is, in fact, a murderous act.
I became pro-choice again when I learned that politics was hereditary, took a look at the real world, and realized that only liberals and niggers kill their own babies.
>>71813345
>Still muh feelings
You've been to long here to actually think rationally I fear.
>Maybe you're just jealous that others get to breed and you don't
No. I just don't want them to kill their babies
>>71813122
Except that completely negates the responsibility of sex.
Actions have consequences. To intervene in the natural bad result of a bad choice is to absolve the person making the bad choice of responsibility for their own actions.
>>71813374
>politics was hereditary
Jesus Christ. Abort yourself
>>71807325
Female Logic:
>stick an alive bunny in ass
>bunny is not a bunny anymore cause its in ass of women
>>bunny is now part of women
>women can decide over bunny
>all evidence, logic, common sense, facts say that the bunny is still an individual being
>women cries out loud "MUAH BODY MY RIGHTS - THE BUNNY IS ME"
>Bunny is kill
;_;
Should abortion be legal for downs and shit though?
>>71807325
Then don't fap, because you're killing.
>>71813472
this gave me a boner
I think abortion is killing a human lie but I still think you should be able to do it legally just as I think parents should not be punished for drowning a retarded or an autistic child.
However, the left has trivilised abortions like they are not a big deal.
When they talk about more sex education in schools they mean telling kids that it's ok to put vibrators in their ass, is basically gay propaganda to turn children into prostitutes.
The real sex education should be shwoing videos of abortions to show girls what happens when they have unprotected sex.
Abortions should be legal but not encouraged and we shouldn't lie about them, to abort is to kill, that's just a fact, you can do it legally but it is still killing.
>>71808142
What percentage of abortions are due to the woman being raped?
>>71813434
what if the condom breaks?am i supposed to end my life and dedicate myself on a child that i never wanted at first?
Family med doctor here. I have done abortions. I have delivered babies. I have seen a lot of the little abused bastardized baby mamma's children as they grow up too, usually to become welfare queens, criminals, and baby mama's themselves..
Ethically, I think the key to the abortion issue is this:
It is in recognizing that 1) The rights of the fetus- although fully fledged human rights no less than those of a grown person- still do not include an enforceable claim to the life-support of the woman's body, and that 2) A woman always- regardless of any agreement otherwise- retains her right to withdraw that support on the basis of her inalienable ownership of her body.
Most people don't take this angle on abortion- that the fetus from conception is a complete human life with complete human rights- because they then assume that the fetus with rights, ipso facto, has a right to gestate in the woman's uterus even against her will, and therefore any and all abortions would be violations of human rights. On the other hand there is the opposite view- that the fetus, somehow on the arbitrary basis that it hasn't been delivered, lacks any rights as a human life. This view is also uncommon, likely because it would recognize the right to have abortions regardless of gestational age and this scares people.
>>71813450
Politics is hereditary.
>>71813472
Does the "my body my rights" argument work if I'm convicted of cannibalism?
>>71813485
The sperm in your testicles wont magically grow into a child, you ding dong.
>>71813643
2/3
The answer to fetal rights is that even if they exist (which they do), it doesn't necessarily matter in regard to the mother's conduct and bodily choices. Because no right to life even for grown adults includes what pro-life advocates claim a fetus has right to- life support from another person's body against her will.
In the essay "The Violinist" hypothetically you are kidnapped and an adult violinist with failing kidneys has his circulatory system connected into yours to survive by sharing your kidneys. You are told:
"Tough luck. I agree. but now you've got to stay in bed, with the violinist plugged into you, for the rest of your life. Because remember this. All persons have a right to life, and violinists are persons. Granted you have a right to decide what happens in and to your body, but a person's right to life outweighs your right to decide what happens in and to your body. So you cannot ever be unplugged from him."
Obviously there's something wrong with that "right to life." The actual legitimate meaning of "right to life", to me, boils down to a right to be free from aggression, initiation of force, etc. That does not include any sort of right to some minimum level of support or resources provided by anyone else, It does not mean a right to force anyone to sustain your life against their will, even if it is to save your life. In other words, "having a right to life does not guarantee having either a right to be given the use of or a right to be allowed continued use of another person's body-- even if one needs it for life itself."
>>71813711
Another pro-life argument is about how the fetus got where it is in the first place. The Violinist case involves a kidnapping, so the right to resist and unplug yourself is clear. The fetal equivalent would be cases of rape, for which some pro-life people would allow abortion. They still maintain the fetus has inherent rights, but when it is a product of rape and created against the woman's will, somehow its rights are now overriden by hers. I am not exactly sure how the logic here. Did the fetus rape the mother? It didn't exist at the time her rights were violated. It is an independent new human life, guilty of nothing but being alive, and its rights don't logically seem like they should depend on the actions of some rapist.
The other half of that prolife argument actually shifts from fetus to finally addressing the woman's rights, which are the basis of pro-choice people justifying abortion. The idea is that, in cases of consensual sex, the woman conceded or "gave up" her body ownership rights and implicitly contractually agreed to sustain and carry the fetus inside her to term. Supposing there were no other contract legitimacy issues with this (how can a fetus participate in a contract before it even exists?) and it was more like the Violinist and you signing a contract for life support under XYZ terms. These contracts would be inherently null and void from the start. The reason is that contracts derive their power to be enforceable (to justify using force to rectify breeches and terms not met) from the contracting parties possessing self-ownership- having conscious, free exercise of their will. These are rights that are inalienable, ie cannot be contractually waived or abolished, because doing so would undermine the very basis of that contract's enforceability and be inherently invalid. You can't give away your right to give it away. It is like dividing by 0.
>>71813472
Only if that bunny grew out of an egg she had in her ovaries since before her own birth, and the genetic material from a spermatozoa, combining together.
>>71807325
The only people who support abortion are degenerate women who want a scapegoat
>>71813618
>>71813744
Margaret Sanger was fucking based, who knew?
>>71813654
If that statement it's 100% true, we're living in the same system from the beggining of our time. Do you see that? I don't see that.
>>71813767
I support the killing of children but on the other hand it gives women a choice
>>71807325
what is a human actually worth? not much in opinion.
>>71807325
Lol, it can't even think, bro.
Like, if it can't think, it's not worth any value, k?
>Why do you poison pitbulls!? Have you no sense of empathy?
>>71807325
we got like billions of worthless replaceable humans on this gay earth. Unless you are fucking einstien or contributing in some huge way your life could end and no one will give a fuck cause you aint special. You are no more special than the shit people take daily. Pushing a baby out is like taking a shit, there aint magic, they aint the next jesus.
>>71807325
It's a human life but if there are gonna be severe birth defects like Down Syndrome or Treacher Collins then it should be legal to kill that life.
>>71813807
It's 100% true, but it's not 100% inherited political sensibilities.
It's demonstrably true that politics, like IQ, is largely inherited. Liberals have largely liberal children, conservatives have largely conservative children. Over time, people almost always vote for the same parties as their parents.
I disavow your shitty nominalism.
P.S.: NEVER stop your enemy from destroying themselves.
>2016
>Pretending "life" has value
Get on the inorganic tip, anon.
The water's fine over here...
>>71813711
This is a suprisingly good argument. Thanks for the read mate.
>>71813654
Spotted the shill who gets paid per reply
>>71813671
You're not using your sperm as a birth, but for a greedious satisfaction, Does that count as a killing?
>>71813981
You'd never hear a paid PP shill openly talk about how Sangher was a useful enemy for essentially stopping black population growth in the US.
>>71813904
>largely inherited
>largely liberal children
>largely
>largely
Then it's not 100% true, isn't it? Maybe I misunderstood you.
>>71813643
This is almost exactly my opinion on the subject. A person cannot be forced to use their body to sustain and create life.
>>71813726
>>71813711
>>71813643
If that's true, why do courts force people to pay alimony, you fucking idiot?
Is it because as a PARENT you're RESPONSIBLE for the LIFE you've created?
It's a little cheap to say the little shits are taking life-support from the woman's body against her will, when the woman is the one who forced the little shit to grow into something that SHE KNEW BEFOREHAND would take up life-support, yet still risked taking action.
So she risked an action for a reward and, as sometimes happens in life, got more risk and less reward than she bargained for, BUT now doesn't have to pay a price!
No consequences! Phew! It's okay to snuff out life because you've given it "Human rights" after forcing it to exist in the first place, JUST LIKE SOMEONE DID TO YOU, and you lack the introspection and empathy to understand how this is perpetuating a cycle of negativity.
You're looking at it the wrong way. We need to stop abortions by forcing people to be unbale to procreate unless they're able to support a healthy, productive, Human life.
It's incredibly simple to research this.
>>71814101
It's 100% true, but it's not universally applicable.
True/False is a binary. It's true, therefore it's 100% true. However it's a general effect, while obviously there are outliers and individuality and our concept of free will and reason, ultimately people's politics reflect largely on their genetics, and to a lesser extent their family structure, followed then by their culture.
>>71814191
Much better explained. 10 outta 10 would indoctrinate.
>>71813643
>do not include an enforceable claim to the life-support of the woman's body
Which is why gestational age week 21 day 5 is absolute abortion limit for most countries, where fetuses can survive with external life support
>>71813895
Treacher Collins isn't an intellectual disability though. Are you going to abort any physical malformation simply because they're ugly or require medical treatment later in life?
>>71813122
Make the opposite hypothetical situation, and you find out humans are morally worthless..
Thats because you are mixing shit up. That "scarce baby" has moral value that is completely unrelated to it being a human baby.
If only one successful pollination in twenty years occurred, even a plant would be fucking sacred
>>71814315
Right, so become pro-choice, let the fiends kill their babies, the next generation will be better for it.
One neat trick to know why the "pro-life generation" meme is kicking off, why the abortion numbers have dropped, because the last batch wiped out a nice chunk of the degenerates before htey had a chance to start fucking up society.
Can you imagine BLM in 2016 if we had ~15 million more niggers plus their keedz?
who cares... we have too much people on the planet so abortion is a good thing in long term.
>>71814458
I'm pro-choice because we failed at mading a stabilized balance between people who die and people who lives. No need to sustain and maintain in long terms the neediest in this world.
>but but muh hypotetical future doctors who found cure to AIDS! (just an example, you understand me)
And I answer: We have a lot of people alive who can be that doctor or what you/they want, but they choose not to satisfy their minds, so, fuck off. World is so weird.
>>71814783
>muh hypotetical future doctors who found cure to AIDS
Sure as shit won't be a nog or a feminist, so literally no problems.
>>71814932
kek
>>71813564
According to this website, 1% in the United States.
http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
>>71807325
It's important to remember that pro life groups support policies that drive up the abortion rate while pro choice groups support policies that drive it down.
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