Is marijuana addictive?
>>71801780
Yes or no. It depends on the person.
>>71801780
Willy nelson just loves pot, or he actually has a condition that causes him headaches has never had it diagnosed and marijuana just happens to get rid of them.
>>71801780
yes
Only if your extremely week willed
>>71801780
I could have sworn Willie once said he lays off every now and then to get his short term memory back
degeneracy thread
>>71801780
I wouldn't think it's any more addictive than fucking another man in the ass. if you prefer to do it and do it frequently i guess one may become addicted.
>shrugs
As a long time smoker, no. Though after about 2 years of smokin, I had to get a new job. Quit for potential drug test. Mostly had a hard time sleeping for about a week, after that I was fine. However trying to stop while you have a job is abit more difficult, since you have the money to get it and it's pretty cheap. It's mostly just a "this would be abit better high" thing. So unless you a weak willed bitch, burrty easy to stop.
I'm not sure, I think some things can be addictive to a lot of people. I loved smoking it when I was younger, but I only get fucked up if I have nothing to do that day, or the next. I sort've get pot hangovers, not bad, but enough that I know it exists, so i just won't do it if I have anything to do the next day.
And then I had a job where I worked 5 days a week, and usually had shit to do on weekends, and then I had kids and I don't get fucked up around kids, so I didn't do it for decades except at parties now and then, and a few times on vacation.
I basically treated it like being drunk, any tie that I would not get hammered, I also will not smoke pot, or anything else.
But now that the kids are gone and my business is at the point where I don't have to do anything unless somebody fucks up royally, and we're on a stretch of contracts that nobody can possibly fuck up badly enough for me to have to go to site myself, so I am smoking a lot of weed.
I actually discovered entire genres of music that I had not noticed before, and I fucking love getting toasted to the point of being flabbergasted, and listening to tunes.
I'm actually smoking a looot of weed right now, like retarded amounts. I have a table-vaporizer that fills up a large chamber with smoke, and I always have it going. And the weed I get is great, the same folks have been growing it for over 30 years without interruption.
But I don't need it, it's just an activity to me, and it's an excuse for people to come over or for me to go over to other people's houses, the way we used to do all the time before we had kids.
If I couldn't have any more weed, I wouldn't really care. I can be content with no stimulation at all, let alone drugs.
>>71801780
yes.
>>71801780
Dope smokers become reliant on the effects. They think they need to smoke weed before they can think about something our understand something.
If you've spent any amount of time doing technical work that requires real technical thought and understanding then you will be well aware that being 100% sober, focused and fluid is key to intelligent thought management.
If you are reliant on a substance to make you believe you're functioning properly, you're an addict.
>>71802180
>rt term memory back
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>ShillStopper !!9Vjx9O0HIiH (ID: 6CFNF0Oy) 04/23/16(Sat)19:04:23 No.718021
fuck off tripfag
>>71801780
HOW DO PEOPLE NOT GET THIS?
Everything enjoyable is addictive on some level. Food, Porn, Weed etc. Weed is not physically addictive, i.e you won't get withdrawal symptoms if you stop .
I'm pretty sure Willie Nelson is a special case since he's smoked everyday for the past 400 years or something.
I can quit any time
>>71804190 you won't get withdrawal symptoms if you stop
The chronic dope smokers I know get headaches, sleep disruption, crazy dreams, irritable mood, extreme anxiety and some even start to stutter their speech without their weed fix. Hallmarks of addiction
In and of itself? Not very.
That being said, there are certain people who can become addicted to ANY psychoactive substance they put into their bodies. I work at a substance abuse treatment center, we occasionally get dudes whose lives are just as fucked and dysfunctional from their constant marijuana use as the guys who come in from chronic heroin use. Not nearly as many, obviously, but they do exist. That doesn't necessarily reflect on the substance so much as it does on the individual and the way that their brain reacts to psychoactive substances.
I will say that becoming heavily addicted to a substance often tends to fuck the user's future ability to use "lighter" drugs like pot or alcohol responsibly. Hard drug use, in particular, for prolonged periods of time seems to flip a switch that can't really be un-flipped. For some people, though, this switch was flipped the moment they drank their first beer.
>>71804574
Work in rehab center. Can confirm.
>>71802116
>week willed
You blew it
many people in the uk smoke tobacco with weed, thus they seek to smoke more weed than normal because the nicotine craving attaches itself psychologically to the cannabis, when in actual fact its just a nicotine craving.
Just smoke the stuff on its own in moderation and you will be fine, its only addictive if you dont do physical exercise or have hobbies you enjoy in your spare time (not vidya).
>>71804574
>tfw its no worse than a hangover from a drinking binge.
The fuckers in rehab used to smoke an ounce a day or someething? absolutely ridiculous.
No because being addicted to things is stupid inherently but yes because you might depend on it for emotional stability. Once you consider yourself an "addict" though just kill yourself, From deeply emotional, personal experience. Your life is worth nothing and you only make the illusion of life worse for those you love by being an obnoxious hypersensitive cocklover.
>>71801780
Yes. I personally know people who are addicted to weed and have been addicted to it before. If you smoke several times a week for months and think you're not addicted, think again.
Luckily, it's a relatively easy addiction to shake off.
>>71804816
These aren't regular stoners I'm referring to. Heavy, constant use.
For someone that's an addict, using is essentially a compulsive activity.
/pol/ is more addicting than marijuana tbqh. I've been on /pol/ consistently for 5 years now and want to quit, but I've been on and off marijuana (haven't smoked since 4/20 of last year)
>>71804933
I guess so, but Im guessing those people have serious emotional issues? An emotionally stable and emotionally intelligent person could use cannabis habitually without it ruining their lives, but the other way around I do understand.
Have you suggested CBD oil made from hemp for these people recovering? Or is that illegal in the states?
They are starting to use it here to keep people who are on bennys from kicking their weed addiction so they look for work.
>>71801780
Addictive? Kinda.
If you smoke it too much it'll make you slower and kinda dependent.
It's really easy to shake tho.
Yes. It releases an unnatural amount of dopamine. The midbrain sees that extra dopamine and says "hey! That's good! I need that!", and after long term use it equates said dopamine release on the same level as eating, drinking water, and sex.
There are little to no physical withdrawal symptoms compared to opiates alcohol or amphetamines, but there are withdrawal effects, and you do become addicted to the stuff.
I was a huge fucking pothead in college, had a 4.0 GPA and a great internship leading to a career in oil and gas.
But I couldn't come home from work and relax unless I smoked a bowl or two and drank a bit.
I'd love to smoke again but I am in no hurry to get back to where I was. Now I just smoke when I'm offered on vacation or am duck hunting.
>>71801780
That depends on your definition of "addictive." Are cheeseburgers addictive? Are lottery tickets addictive?
"Addictive" is such a vague word as to be useless in this discussion. It can refer to compulsive habitual behavior or chemical dependence. Anybody with any experience dealing with real addicts knows that it's not that simple.
You want to know what real addiction is? Go to a Narcotics Anonymous meeting.
>>71805203
Well, there's physiological and psychological addiction and a complex interaction of the two is what makes one an addict.
Cannabis has a low potential for physiological addiction but a pretty high potential for psychological addiction.
>>71805045
Intelligence doesn't typically play into it.
If an addict of alcoholic is capable of simply putting the shit down and not using it, they are, by definition, not an addict/alcoholic.
If someone can simply cheer up, they probably aren't dealing with a major depressive disorder.
If someone can simply be emotionally stable, they probably aren't dealing with bipolar disorder.
If someone can simply stop behaving like a cunt, they probably aren't dealing with borderline personality disorder.
If someone can simply stop altering their mind with drugs, they probably aren't dealing with substance use disorder.
That being said, there is an extremely high rate of co-morbid disorders with addicts. It's just that simply treating those other disorders won't suddenly make them able to use responsibly - their inability to use like other people is due to the way that they're wired.
What the fuck are bennys?
>>71805203
> Are cheeseburgers addictive? Are lottery tickets addictive?
Yes. Also sex and video games. And "compulsive habitual behavior" IS chemical dependence at brain level
>>71801780
Yes, it is.
Physiologically speking not, it's not and addictive substance, but smokers often develop a psychosomatic dependance.
>>71801780
Marijuana is as chemically addictive as caffeine. No more, no less.
last october I smoked weed every day for two weeks
at the end of the first week it wasn't even fun anymore, I had to smoke a fuckton to get the laughs and that nice sensitivity to music
by the end of the second week it wasn't even doing that for me anymore, I was just sort of chilled out and thats it so I dropped it
dunno how people can 420 blaze everyday
>>71801780
Yes it is. Now stop posting this everyday , its a retarded bait for people who want to be perceived as drug users by their friends but not by their moms.
>>71805798
daily weed is a different drug, basically its to be used like a coffee
>>71805349
So where's the line between habitual behavior and addiction? What degrees exist between eating cheeseburgers twice a week or shooting up heroine twice a week?
>>71805520
By that definition all human behavior that results in positive emotion or feelings of satisfaction are addictive. That is technically true, yes? But then, the medical definition of an addiction is something that is not only compulsive and habit-forming, but also has adverse effects on one's life in relation to this compulsive behavior.
So, in essence, the answer to the original question of whether marijuana is addictive is best answered by the phrase: "It can be."
As I said in my previous post: It's not that simple. It's not a "yes" or a "no." It's entirely relative to the individual.
>>71801780
Yes.
Marijuana is physically addictive when abused (though this aspect of the addiction is not overly strong by itself).
Marijuana can be incredibly mentally addictive specifically for those who are unhappy and use it as an escape.
So the point is if you're depressed and you smoke when you come down you'll feel a crack like desire for more and if you don't get it you'll probably feel like absolute shit for a good day or two.
Also Marijuana is a mild hallucinogen.
Prolonged use will cause mental "issues" in most people of a varying degree and serious mental issues in a smaller but significant subset of people.
>>71802157
Wouldn't be surprised. I saw him live and he was fucking horrible. Couldn't keep a stable tempo and the band desperately tried to keep up.
Either he's smoked too much or his age is showing.
>>71805888
>What degrees exist between eating cheeseburgers twice a week or shooting up heroine twice a week?
If you can shoot up heroin twice a week you're not an addict. You could live until you're 90 like that (example Mick Jagger)
Very very few people are headstrong enough to shoot up twice a week though.
then after a couple months or a year of heroin physical addiction will form (it takes a long time contrary to popular oppinion) and by then you are in a world of shit
>>71805709
Even heroin is pretty low.
I've taken deliriants.
Datura has a way higher active dose/lethal dose and will fuck you up if you accidentally overdose which is very easy.
Nutmeg will fuck you up for up to 2 days straight
DPH will fuck your body up eventually.
Then there are a few other drugs which fuck you up like DPH, mostly used for motion sickness.
Then there's the safest one, Fly Agaric which only fucks you up if you take 10+ shrooms.
>>71806078
Heroin is the subtle kind of addiction.
It progresses very smoothly and before you know it you're sharing needles.
>>71805707
That isn't true at all.
Marijuana has a profound effect on numerous systems throughout the body including the dopamine system which it greatly alters.
Prolonged consistent use over more then a few days will consistently alter the way your body functions.
If you then go cold turkey there will be a period where your body readjusts and you will likely not feel great during said period.
So yes it can have a weak physical addiction which can compound and easily worsen the mental symptoms of coming down after a long period of smoking consistently.
>>71806171
Been there, can confirm. That shit is insidious.
>>71801780
Yes.
>>71805897
I quit cold turkey and haven't lit up in 3 months.
>>71807258
is this true? i never play videogames, but do stoners underperform? how hard can a videogame be?
>>71805888
>By that definition all human behavior that results in positive emotion or feelings of satisfaction are addictive. That is technically true, yes?
Exactly. By now it's understood pretty well how an action which gives you positive feedback (any behavior, from learning new stuff and accomplishing things to shooting heroin) affects the brain chemistry in a way that you are compelled to repeat those actions. From a chemical/biological point of view all habits can be considered as addictions, and all actions (whether or not they involve "drugs") which trigger your brain to release dopanime etc are addictive. Addictions per se aren't "bad", it's like we learn stuff, pick up new skills, enjoy our work and life. But okay, I would not disagree to distinguish between habits and addictions when you put it like "addictions are bad habits" or something like that.
My main point is that a lot of people (and I don't mean you here) always throw addiction and physical dependence into the same pot, then some stoners come around and say "oh, but weed can't be addictive because there's no physical dependence, it's all psychological" - that is bullshit. There is no "psychological", we can observe the changes in brain chemistry. We are our brain chemistry.
Also, physical dependence doesn't mean addiction. Our bodies depend on food and water, but only relatively few people addicted to food. Better example, there are drugs like betablockers which cause physical dependence resulting in dangerous withdrawal symptoms, but don't create any addiction or craving.
And yes, it also depends on the individual. Some people seem to be predisposed to addiction more than others. Pretty much everybody here in Germany drinks alcohol. Regularly, even daily, and sometimes a lot. Yet only 5% develop actual alcoholism and start tumbling down. Kinda safe to assume that this is similar for all or at least many other drugs, especially for "mostly harmless" shit like cannabis.
>>71807583
I think it depends from person to person and whether you're smoking sativa or indica. Back when I smoked I performed much better on CS after a couple of hits of sativa. Indica may perhaps slow your reaction time and other brain processes bit too much to be of any help.
>>71807583
weed isn't like alcohol it doesn't make you dumb or uncoordinated. It just makes you quiet and paranoid.
I miss 2uentin threads. RIP in peace you diamond dog
>>71807258
I'm much better at gaming when I'm high. It helps me focus and everything slows down. But hey enjoy your boring sober life I don't give a fuck.
>>71807794
I certainly don't contest anything in your post. Speaking as someone who smoked weed for nearly five years, I think the main reason stoners come around and start talking about how it's psychological and not physical is because they're used to arguing with people who don't have a very good grasp of the function of addiction. This is particularly the case in America where there's so much old rhetoric stacked against marijuana from the 20th century that they're fighting it using any means necessary. The reason they go to these lengths and use this rhetoric is to try to fight the rhetoric they're used to rather than to fight the facts.
As you say: Physical and Psychological are the same thing. Distinction between mind and body seems fairly prevalent despite the fact that the mind is just a part of the body, and the brain is just another organ. I quit smoking marijuana about three weeks ago. Full disclosure: I've essentially just replaced it with vodka.
>>71808183
Fuck off, Morrowind is the best TES game.
>>71801780
it can be berry habitual
>>71808423
>I quit smoking marijuana about three weeks ago. Full disclosure: I've essentially just replaced it with vodka.
Feels. For years I've been cycling between weed, alcohol and caffeine. Not all the time though, but it is certainly easier to replace one drug with another instead of taking a break from all of them together
>>71801780
It's addictive to some extent, but most of the worst symptoms such as irritability, moodiness, difficulty sleeping, and loss of hunger tend to go away after a week or two tops.
In terms of actual addictive qualities, there are so many worse things out there, including opiates and alcohol.
>>71808423
Yeah, that's what I mean. The usual public discussion about drugs, especially illegal drugs, is way too binary. You can hardly even call that a discussion because both sides just keep clinging to their narrative. Which is outright stupid because the topic is too complex for a black&white evaluation.
Try to keep it easy on the vodka anon, alcohol withdrawal can be very dangerous after long binges (you should never go cold turkey from one day to the other after drinking exzessively, which is why they slowly taper you down in detox).
>>71808989
> but it is certainly easier to replace one drug with another instead of taking a break from all of them together
Absolutely. But it's also possible to replace drugs with fun activities. As for myself, I've been a full-blown addict and hedonist for almost 30 years now, and still am. Mostly weed, booze and psychedelics but also tried pretty much anything else out there. But I can relatively easily go long times sober when I replace it with binge watching tv shows, or video games. About 2 years ago I picked up origami as a new hobby which is awesome as well because learning to fold new models and the pleasure of accomplishing them gives you a pretty strong high too.
But well, I don't want to sound like some faggot "just pick up a nice hobby instead". It's no that easy at all, but it works to some extent.
it's not very physiologically addictive but it is habit-forming in the way that literally everything is habit-forming. Sitting on the couch? Habit-forming as fuck. Going to the gym? Habit-forming but not as much as sitting on the couch. Drinking in the evening? Habit-forming.
Put it this way: if you've become so used to smoking weed to relax that you've forgotten how to behave normally without it you may not be physiologically addicted but that's irrelevant. You have a bit of a problem and need to sort it out.
>>71804850
Habit-forming and addictive are not the same thing. Mental difficulty in stopping vs physiological difficulty in cessation.
Weed is habit forming in itself, but some people are also just addicts
>>71809593
reading the printed jew
>>71807583
you've obviously never encountered nigs and beaners on COD
>>71801780
For me yes.
I didn't start smoking until I was 20. I smoked for 7 years and just quit 4 months ago.
I smoked literally all day, every day. I had a full time job and smoked morning, noon, and night. If I went more than 3 days without smoking, I would completely lose my appetite and struggle to finish even a bowl of cereal.
I had to quit though. It's seriously an expensive habit. I was spending probably $700-$800/month on weed. Not to mention there are other hidden consequences, as I feel like it emotionally stunts your growth if it's smoked daily.
