What did he mean by this?
>>71801423
>liberal arts
>educated
>ignoring costs on top of it
>>71801423
>agree to borrow $50000 to go to college
>it's now punishment to pay back what you borrowed
>>71801491
I cant tell who's a male
It doesn't matter t.b.h. f.a.m.
He has no chance and winning and he's senile. I feel bad for him but his ramblings are irrelevant and detached from reality
>>71801423
End Federal student loans program. No money to borrow means no debt. Tuition will also fall as demand decreases.
But then again that would require basic logic and reasoning skills--both seem to have eluded Maple Syrup Shack Sanders.
>>71801423
>people should choose a education that's actually worth $50,000
>>71801679
>I cant tell who's a male
kek, that should be a /pol/ banner
Is this the everyone deserves a trophy attitude? I just bought a car, why am I in debt :S Is it that loan I took out?
>>71801679
What? You have problems attaching gender-based labels to people? Hmm, maybe there's an actual gradient to ones sex?
>>71801423
Economics isn't Comrade Sanders' strong suit m8.
>>71801491
Gender studies x 5
>>71801423
>taking responsibility for your own actions is punishment
Grooming the next generation of useful idiots.
>>71801607
But because of the mysterious ways of the fractional reserve Jew, what the students are borrowing doesn't really exist until it's instantly created out of nothing at the moment the promissory note is filed at the bank. It's not like there was any money in the bank already waiting to be loaned out. It's a complete scam designed to entrap young people into a form of slavery, and it should be illegal.
Greece has a lot of debt.
Where's our reward?
>>71801423
People should be awarded for eating pizza, not punished with requests for $14.99 plus tip.
>>71801986
There's no denying that it's predatory, but tough shit. Don't be a dipshit.
>>71802056
elect mad scientist sanders and find out
>>71801423
>people should be rewarded
>Getting a fucking job isn't a reward
>But I majored in English Lit
Just fuck this fucking retarded jew back to the shit hole he came from.
>>71801423
Fucking idiot! No one whose worth a danm should expect a pat on the back for doing your own self a favor!
This joke of a human wants to make Your degree as worthless as a highschool degree.
This idiot thinks the entire us is a bunch of kids just like his supporters.
Being a student is not a JOB it's a decision!
>>71801423
Education be free Bernie, you paying for credentials. Try letting people do work without credentials if you want to fix this.
>>71802200
It's also for the poor parents that have their loser kid living at home working a minimum wage job that can't afford to move out.
>>71801423
Greece keep dreaming about awards instead of debts !
>>71801679
Isn't getting educated the fucking reward
>>71801986
>>give people money
>>they need to pay it back
>a form of slavery, and it should be illegal.
Why are you such a whiny faggot? Do your dads know?
College tends to teach for exams like grade school, so why not just skip college and study on your own? I mean there are plenty of fucking resources available online to help you study and learn things. Then you can take the GRE and apply to grad schools. Why shill out so much money when the basic principles that govern the world are available to most people with internet for free?
>>71802369
Not if you're getting a liberal arts degree.
>>71802200
>implying your degree isn't as worthless as a highschool degree already
When you need a bachelor's to fucking sling coffe you know that there's something inherently fucked up with our education system family. Instead of condemning people who fell for a meme that was forced upon them literally since birth, why not show a little empathy?
>>71802056
You'll get better repayment terms. I've actually got some skin in the game, bought some shares of the national bank following the recapitalization. Hell. Economic data just came out and greece still posted a surplus even with all that shit going on. Good luck, greece.
>>71802369
No faggot, we go to university to qualify for non-shit jobs. Getting educated just to be educated is some 19th century England shit.
>>71802369
It should be, but it's a preclusion for employment in this country and is therefore compulsory
If anything we should be refocusing on highschool educations so you're employable after you graduate
>>71801423
How about we reward the people who make that education possible?
Say with tenure and resources to pursue academic research.
Sanders has a far, far, far more optimistic view of millennial mindset and mental capacity than I do
>>71802082
>Only way to get money is have a job
>only way to get a job is to get an education
>only way to get an education is to have money|
You're fucked from the beginning. This isn't 1970 anymore where a college degree wasn't needed for most shit. For fuck's sake my dad is a landscape designer and he didn't go to college. You legally need a degree to do his job but since he had been doing it for so long he was grandfathered into it.
>>71801607
It's like trying to get credit. You're practically forced to use a credit card just so you can build up your credit. Even though people know credit cards are predatory you simply don't have a fucking choice.
It's either you "agree" to the shit terms or spend your life workin' min wage and barely affording to do anything. Or you agree to it, get a job, and then still can't afford anything because of the shitty fucking loans.
Sanders is a fucking idiot and going about this thing the wrong way.
But you're fucking delusional if you see no problem with the current system.
>>71801607
>Education should cost $X
If the money wasn't going to entitled, tenured, leftist professors and sports programs, I would agree with you.
Though, as the system exists meow, they don't deserve a cent.
>>71801423
>A jew against high interest loans
Now I've seen everything.
>go to institution run by people with jobs whose salaries have to be paid with money you don't have
>learn some useless shit
>expect to be rewarded for it
>>71802369
Not really when the education consists of being taught to take exams. In a class of 300+ students how often is a professor going to have the time, between their research and 2-3 other classes, to fully discuss ideas without having to skip information that is required by the school curriculum? What is the reward of learning information that you could have learned just by going through a textbook that would cost you a fraction of the money?
>>71801607
KEK
I got an education. My award was a $60k a year job starting out of school. I have the means to pay the $20k debt I accumulated. I think the benefits far exceeded the costs.
Don't get a degree in something that doesn't have any career prospects.
>>71802418
>if I say something in an incredibly simplistic manner it sounds stupid
Just leave out all the details of how that system works and the context of it all. Cus you know, that shit isn't important.
Fuckin retard.
>>71802536
Qualifying for non shit jobs is your reward then. It's what you pay for in the first place.
>>71801423
>>71801423
>dropout at college
>use the money instead to invest in own business
>thriving and sustaining family and self
only amerikkkans go to college to get in debt
>>71802661
Blame this on the ease of access for students increasing the pool of tards and money going to administration over educators.
Go back to college being for those who could actually meet the demands of it and you'll go back to quality education.
>>71802755
This is actually an optimistic comic though. These guys won't be paying for shit with their gender studies degrees. Hard workers will be paying for it
>>71802588
My old roommate makes as much as I do without an education just driving around town doing handyman and welding work. Your argument is invalid.
Also making the solution to something costing too much reduced to just having the government pay for it seems stupid when you could identify why it costs so much and do something about it.
Passing on an inflated cost to the tax payers isn't a solution at all.
>>71802723
so only the rich and privileged should be able to get an education?
Do you not see how that could be a fucking problem? Especially when a lot of jobs LEGALLY require a degree?
In the past you could just use hardwork and your own smarts to get a good job, Those days are long fucking past.
>>71802723
by "non-shit" he means "capable of earning a living wage"
you're lucky to get a job at minimum wage (which thereby qualifies you for welfare since the pay scale is so low) without a college degree
>>71801423
But if socialism means we are all equal, what would the reward be?
>>71802942
Just admit you want the taxpayer to fund your sociology degree and shut the fuck up already
>>71803011
conquering other planets DUH
>>71802879
>town doing handyman and welding work. Your argument is invalid.
>1 guy out of 300 million proves I'm wrong
You literally need a degree and certification. to do most work on homes or businesses. So odds are he either has an education or he is doing it illegally.
>roommate
Must be making bank to have a FUCKING ROOMMATE YOU DUMB FUCK
You are not smart enough to have a conversation about this. Time for you to bow out.
>>71803034
>If you're not for us, you're against us
What is with dumb fucks like you? There are more than just "two extremes".
>>71803147
Natural selection is now make the right financial/career decisions or live like a pleb
Right now you're choosing the latter
I got a STEM degree for 25k and my grad school is free + stipend, my buddy is a teacher for about 22K in debt and my other friend got a ride for his STEM degree by going to a lesser uni than he was capable of
Get good you lil bitch
>>71801423
of course that jew wants free college, it's government funded, they can better spread their propaganda
>>71802588
>be me (yeah, I am doing that intentionally)
>work as a fucking grocery bagger at minimum wage in high school
>get into engineering school
>work every summer
>pay off loan and start saving
>go for about 3 years
>enough cash to go back to school
>currently in law school, zero debt at all
It's literally easier than farming in Diablo. If you can't handle that, then you really aren't fit for procreation. I mean really, it's that easy: save, spend, improve, repeat. Wow, I'm like fucking bill gates here, right?
How is not racking up insurmountable debt that difficult? Don't take on a private college and do in state tuition. It's like this is actually difficult--oh wait, most people (including this site) can't even balance a checkbook...
>>71802942
I don't see how it can be a problem. Since not everyone need to have an education, the paywall decides who do. And the smartest ones get scholarships anyway. So the only one who suffer are those who get useless degrees for the sake of it.
>>71803304
>Natural selection
>pleb
>STEM
You've been on 4chan for too long. Take a break.
>>71803391
>been on 4chan too long
>doublepost crying in his own thread
You've been a whining faggot ass for too long but we both know you won't take a break from that
>>71803326
I'm sorry If I don't believe you.
How could you pay for living + education.
What you're leaving out is you were living with your parents the entire time paying your living while you went to school aren't you.
>>71801423
>people should be rewarded for creating jobs, not punished with employee salaries of $50,000, $100,000 or more
Does this guy understand what investment is?
Does he understand that paying now can equal making more later?
>>71803474
>go to art college
>get a fine arts degree major in illustration
>make 120k a year as a concept artist and freelance contractor
All I'm saying is you're retarded and don't understand basic logic.
is sportsball a net positive financially for your institutions?
>>71803616
it is for the administration's salaries
In a proper economy, the education is the reward itself but then again Bernie Jew didn't hold a job until 40
>>71803599
>post shit that never happened
>talk shit
All I'm saying is you're entirely full of shit.
>>71801423
>Bernie Sanderino Anonymous (ID: 80ncCtqy) 04/23/16(Sat)00:50:55 No.71
You should receive free housing, seminars, food, faculty time, installations usage, materials, consultations, etc. All this will be paid by richer people so everyone will be rich.
>>71801423
Education is optional. End of story.
>the country is better off if people are educated and trained
>let's make it as punishing as possible to get educated and trained
>>71803666
So would there not be demand for a barebones 4 year institution without sportsball, band, and other frivolous expenses? Make all clubs be self funding and what not.
>>71802942
No, if you get a good education and a good job then you can pay off the loans no problem.
>>71803765
Think about what you wrote for a bit and try to apply that logic to yourself.
I know its hard for you but please try.
>>71803953
Unless you're Singapore that shit it is just not true you stupid fucking leaf.
We have a country of 330 million.
The world needs ditch diggers.
>>71802675
Exactly,
Engineer here. Had no problems paying off my debt and now own my own house and have a solid income of £65k/year. I still hear from my old faggy high school friends about how they are struggling to pay off their debt with literature degrees or social studies degrees.
>>71804011
yeah and IF someone wins the lottery they will have a shit ton of extra cash.
That's a massive investment for an IF.
I know this is pol. I know you people have a hard time putting yourselves in other people's shoes but you should know not everyone has lived the same life as you.
>inb4 But my life was super hard though!
kk.
>>71804059
>if I keep saying logic I'll look intelligent
Just fucking gas yourself.
Time to bow out.
>>71804007
you'd think so but no
college is sold to us as children as a modern day never never land where you're supposed to skip out on classes and get laid as often as possible. To that end kids are attracted to the bigger, flashier schools as they're just another brand name to be consumed.
>>71803517
Grew up in NY, went to school in SD. A few thousand miles away from family. Sorry,but there are actually decent priced schools out there; had a job 8 months before graduation as well, as well as 98% of my graduating class.
>>71804157
There's nothing wrong with an educated ditch digger you self important cunt
>>71804192
My life was "super hard" though. My dad died when I was a kid and my mom had to work multiple jobs.
And I made something of myself because I'm not a candy-ass faggot like yourself that cries on cartoon boards about how other people should foot the bill for my path to success.
>>71801423
He thinks spending four years talking to a professor about your vagina is a career option.
>>71804296
>>71801423
>People should be rewarded for education
>Not exclusively for producing something of value
post yfw Bernie creates trash economy with subsidies for people who experience the degree factory
>>71802458
>coffe
What did you major in?
so hes going to pay dindus a salary to get african studies degrees?
my fucking sides thank god hernie is done
>>71803517
Sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending in
>>71804280
It's just that school in the Midwest was 12k/year without scholarships and room was 350/month in the area. A couple internships paid for it excluding a couple thousand. What I'm saying is that it's an investment and should be viewed in the aspect of ROI. It was an easy transition and it's not much more difficult than a video game (alluding to the previous metaphor) so I don't understand why anyone can't just bother to move away from home to a decent school.
>>71804523
I majored in it's almost 3 AM and I'm memeing here with you instead of getting some sleep so fuck you and fuck your grammar
>>71804595
You should sound condescending highlight that guys posts he's a bitch and needs tough love
>2017
>bernie in office
>large-scale weed and lgbtq parades in every large city
>bernie in the midst of the parade
>psychosis-tier shouting TAKE THIS MONEY FUCKIN JUST TAKE IT NOW RRRREEEEEE while throwing around millions of dollars and getting fucked in the ass by gay tranny weed-kin niggers
>its not enough
>bernie takes out his landline phone and calls the boys
>millitary-tier rainbow-colored helicopter arrives on the scene
>helicopter opens cargo department
>billions of dollars and thousands of pounds of weed shower out of the helicopter
>bernie is now getting fucked in the mouth as well as the ass
>the computer chips installed in all white people explode, killing all of the "neo colonizers"
>more helicopters show up, dumping more money and weed everywhere
>niggers are now drilling holes into Bernie so they could fuck them
>bernie bleeds profusely and dies
>people get angry at the niggers who killed bernie
>everyone starts fighting
>5 years later
>USA, population 0
>expedition planes flying over the country see nothing on the ground but dead bodies, money and weed
>>71802675
$60k isn't that much when you are paying $2500 a month in rent in a shit neighborhood. Not even counting car payments, utilities, and other costs of living. How much does your health insurance cost? Even if you have cheaper rent normally health insurance is around $400-500 a month.
So you're $12k in taxes and out $30k just on rent. Then an auto $500-800 a month goes out just for student loans if you want to pay them back as fast as possible so you're out another $8k. Grats, you now have $10k for the rest of the year to pay for your car, food, utilities, gas, and anything else. The car and insurance alone will take out half of that and we can be lenient and say the utilities are included in your rent(even internet).
Also, hope you don't have anything bad happen like a death in the family or get into a car accident or need to see the doctors.
>then move
easier said then done when you don't have spare money.
ITT college kids learn about finance.
>>71804701
That was a pretty good one. 6.5/10
>>71804719
>$2500 a month in rent in a shit neighborhood.
Alright now you're just pretending to be fucking retarded.
The only way this is remotely true is if you live in SF/SJ or NY and aren't making bank, in which case you deserve to be punished for your idiocy.
>>71801607
80% of that money isn't to pay for university but rather goes directly to real estate funds programs. It's bullshit
>>71804192
People are stupid and impulsive. It's VERY easy to advantage of that. If you can't figure that out then you deserve to be at the bottom of the food chain.
>11 posts by this ID
Wew lad
This is one of the things that confuse me the most. The State raises tuition year after year. Young people get mad at the State and demand that private citizens pay the State for the burden the State puts on them.
Are these people stupid or brainwashed? Why is there no debate over why the State keeps raising the price?
>>71804867
>NYC rent is in the $3000-$5000 rang
>SF same
>Chicago about $2000-$3000
>LA about $2000,$3000
>SanDiege Same
>Miami about $2200-$2800
You're fucking retarded. Have you never lived in a city before? Like fucking ever? Even a small ass city like Salt Lake is $1200 a month for just rent.
>>71804192
the lowest rungs on the food chain deserve to be eaten or stored in my freezer for later mashallah
>>71801423
>you should be rewarded for going to the gym instead of having to pay membership fees
Useless degrees should be eliminated or moved to lower institutions with a new name that differentiates it from degrees that actually benefit people. And then the colleges, now free from the burden of those useless degrees, should be free or provide incentives for attending.
THEN WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT
>>71805011
>check that republic
>literally no one lower
huehuehue
>>71801423
Honestly I haven't really been all that into Sanders, just viewing from the outside , but that tweet alone, I now know the hype is real, Sanders is totally a commie
>>71805040
mexico
>>71805005
I live in Chicago right now you stupid faggot and my rent is 1400 for a 2br in a nice white neighborhood
The shit neighborhoods are 400/mo for a 2br and thats just the Mexican areas
You're just wrong, deal with it
>>71805040
magical emu poop money
>>71805040
YOU ARE!
>>71804961
Because young people can't remember the prices being lower. They either weren't born back then, or they were too young to give a shit. It's the same reason that rewriting history gradually works. If you teach a different version of it in school, those who were old enough to be there will hardly notice and those who get taught the new version can't know any better.
>>71802701
>whhaaa whaaa I chose to pay lots of money for a degree that is not a good economic investment its everyone else's fault for tricking me
become and electrician you whiny cuck, boom middle class
start your own electrical contracting company with a few guys, boom rich
I know multiple people who did exactly that, you can do 1-2 years college and then get an apprenticeship and you are already making money. The highest paid workers at a plant my friend works at are the electricians, way above engineers
That was an option the entire time, I don't understand why it my fault that you didn't make better choices
>>71805101
>my rent is the same as everyone elses that lives in a city of millions
>only my personal experience matters
except
>As of February 2016, average apartment rent within 10 miles of Chicago, IL is $1989. One bedroom apartments in Chicago rent for $1792 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $2294.
Low income house need not apply since they are near impossible to qualify for.
>>71805216
>become and electrician you whiny cuck, boom middle class
seriously are you stupid fucks this idiotic? Do you honestly believe there are enough electrician jobs for everyone in canada or the US?
>I know multiple people
Your personal experience is not everyone's.
How hard is this concept for you idiots to understand?
>>71801423
this has nothing to do with socialism, common /pol/ were supposed to be experts in these matters, this is just a matter of pure insanity. 'Hey I bought a product (education) and not I dont want to pay the bill' if you didnt want to pay you could shop around for a cheaper option. Socialism doesn't eliminate the cost of products, even in full blown communism people still had to pay for expensive shit.
People have just become brain dead and entitled, you can easily work nights and pay off an average non-profit collage degree if your totally broke. In fact people who work during collage know why they are at collage and end up more successful.
What I don't understand is the college kids voting for him already signed up for thousands of dollars worth of debt. I looked at his website all i see for those people is a option to drop the interest payments a couple %. Those poor college kids racked with debt will still have it, plus bills, food, rent but now with higher taxes so the next guy 5+ years down the line gets it all for free while the bernie bros pay for it. It's not going to help them.
>>71802588
I make 50k a year with no college.
Mother makes 90k a year with no college.
Father makes 85k a year with no college.
Brother makes 35k a year with no college (or HS diploma)
Face it, stupid kids fell for the college meme and they want their sugar daddy government to take care of them because they can't make rational risk/reward assessments on their own.
>>71801423
>Country needs to invest in human capital to increase good
>current system has negative incentives towards getting an education
He is not wrong you know
>>71805225
>citing rentjungle.com
>claiming I've never lived in a city and using this as you seasoned knowledge
>mean
>median
Looks like you did major in liberal arts. Do you not understand the difference between "average" and "midpoint"?
>protip when you have expensive ass magmile rentals driving the average up it does not reflect the price you will typically pay
>>71801423
>You shouldn't be in debt for your schooling until you pay it off.
>You should be in debt for everyone's schooling for the entirety of your working life. Whether you go to school or not.
>>71802424
Because muh paper slip
>>71802588
I have a job and I don't have a degree, there are people who have degrees and do the same thing I do, so what does that tell you about some jobs? Some places might emphasize on degrees, but in reality certifications are often just as good if not better than many degrees. It depends on what you're going for though, and most degrees are simply designed to take your money these days which leads our generation down dead ends.
But you made the choice to take on that debt.
>>71805225
>>71805478
http://chicago.curbed.com/2014/3/14/10132188/a-look-at-median-1-2-bedroom-rent-prices-in-chicago
Basically read this you dumb nigger
traditionally collage was never about getting a job, it was to educate the rich kids to become more cultured.
Getting a job is the role of polytechnics and trade schools. Science fucked up this relationship though, so getting a 'culture' degree is perfect if your from a good family, otherwise your degree should be in the form of filling a slave position (science).
To go along with my hope of a general economic collapse that kills the welfare state, I hope this education bubble burst like a 2 month nose zit on the mirror.
The Unis need to be purged of all jew commies. Education zit needs to pop and the tenure with it.
>>71805310
>one example
there are objectively shortages of millions of skilled tradespeople in the US right now, that gets bigger every year as more boomers retire and no ones there to replace them
http://cerasis.com/2014/09/30/skilled-trades/
become a certified pressure vessel/pipeline welder, move to Houston Texas, boom job. Move somewhere they are fracking (hint:everywhere) and get a job there
there are so many positions, I got a specific degree to work in a specific industry and city, and it worked.
Its called PLANNING you idiot
>>71805363
>'Hey I bought a product (education) and not I dont want to pay the bill' if you didnt want to pay you could shop around for a cheaper option
This is what you people are failing to understand. If you don't want to be working for $7.50 your entire life(which is near impossible to live on) you need to get an education. Again, degrees are legally required for a lot of job positions and to get jobs where you aren't living in poverty.
So it's a system that EVERYONE is practically forced into and for that reason they are being taken advantage of.
You idiots think the only solution people talk about is "socialism! have that $60,000 paid for by someone else!" Which isn't the case. Schools are taking advantage of the public by jacking up prices and loan companies are putting in ridiculous interest rates on student loans that are protected under special laws so it's impossible to get rid of them.
There's clearly an issue with the current system. You can't live in the world today without a college degree and because of that schools are fucking getting away with theft. There are more solutions other than "socialism".
>"YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE, YOU DON'T WANNA WORK AT MCDONALD'S YOUR WHOLE LIFE DO YOU?"
>"JUST GO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU MAJOR IN AS LONG AS YOU LIKE IT"
>"YEAH LOANS ARE A LOT BUT YOU'LL PAY IT BACK IN NO TIME"
t-thanks society/boomers/teachers/parents/grandparents
>university as an institution is inherently good
that old fuck needs to die already
>>71805785
The solution is pick a cheap uni and major in something that pays dividends you dumbfuck.
>>71805886
>cheap uni
>cheap
>uni
Lol
>>71805834
Did you fags get an extra dose of estrogen in the drinking water growing up or some shit?
>protip that advice was always around and it is your job as a grown ass man not to make stupid decision because someone told you to
>>71805959
Go to a state college. Go to a school that has generous tuition assistance.
Or, god forbid, spend high school actually making grades and scores rather than jacking your micropeen to warcraft and animes and someone WILL LITERALLY GIVE YOU FREE MONEY TO GO TO THEIR UNI
>>71805417
>Mother makes 90k a year with no college.
>Father makes 85k a year with no college.
>Brother makes 35k a year with no college (or HS diploma)
Your mother and father existed in a time where you didn't need a college degree. Like I fucking said before you dipshit.
>This isn't 1970 anymore where a college degree wasn't needed for most shit. For fuck's sake my dad is a landscape designer and he didn't go to college. You legally need a degree to do his job but since he had been doing it for so long he was grandfathered into it.
Your brother makes shit for money.
And anyways look you = 300+ million people. Assuming you aren't just lying out your ass to "prove" your retarded point.
>>71805989
>grown ass man
>in high school
>16yo
Yeah I'm sure we all could make those wise decisions :^)
>>71806073
I go to an average state school, it's 10k a year for tuition only
Got decent grades, weren't great but definitely not terribly. But I'm middle class and white so no free money for me. Nor my sister who was a 4.0 student
>>71806073
>generous tuition assistance.
This is ummm...
Seriously? Where does that assistance come from dumbass.
>>71801423
>I willingly took out a massive loan with great personal risk to pay for my liberal arts degree
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT? COLLEGE SHOULD BE FREE
Lel, shouldn't have taken out that MASSIVE LOAN then, cuckboi
>>71805989
>need a degree or certification for most jobs
>where do you learn enough to get a certification?
Your average person isn't going to make a billion dollars from creating an app.
>>71806200
>choose between massive loan.
>or even bigger, massive loan.
If only there was something you got to signify your completion of schooling, hmmm, nope the system truly is rigged lol
>>71804867
>Seoul, South Korea
>earn $2k a month "teaching" gook kids
>employer pays for rent
>have <$100 in bills a month
>Save ~$1,300 a month after student loans and everything
yeah I make less money but I pay almost nothing per month. This beats the hell out of living back home in Murrica where I'd have bills up the ass.
>>71806135
I make 44.50/hr with no college. That's $92,560/yr.
>>71806310
How much Korean do you know?
>>71801423
the reward of getting an education is just that, getting a fucking education.
>>71805989
>grown ass man
>16-17yr old
>not to make stupid decision
>need education to not be stupid
:^)
>>71806177
>starting college at 16yo
???
>10k a year for an ave state school
Not terrible. Could have shopped around better or done the first two years at cc to save cash. What are you studying?
>>71806178
OH LOOK ONE OF THE TOP FUCKING UNIVERSITIES IN THE COUNTRY DOES THIS.
Dumbass.
Now apply this same principle more broadly and you get the concept.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-northwestern-university-loans-financial-aid-20160303-story.html
>>71806356
sure ya do.
>>71806378
나는 조금만 말할수 있어요.
I can have basic conversations after 6 months of studying. I spent 7 years studying Japanese so I'm learning very quickly.
>>71806310
>>employer pays for rent
Thats because they want the BWC senpai
>>71806407
You're so fucking stupid you don't even know the age most people choose to go to college.
Most choose the school they want around 16 and then go there when they are 17. Almost all freshman at 17 years old.
Also, you know what assistance is right?
>>71806250
... You didn't even understand the context of my reply and are just memeing at this point.
>>71806410
Why don't you look up the Bureau of Labor Statistics info on a Power Plant Operator, and what's required.
Started as an apprentice Electrician. Then I got my Journeyman's, and got a job at a power plant that used Diesel generators, a Steam turbine and a Natural Gas Turbine (that could also run on Diesel if needed).
Worked there for 3 years at 25/hr, then applied for a Hydro power plant, who was offering 44.50/hr.
Not a single hour spent on a college campus.
>>71806397
Again
>WHO GOES TO COLLEGE AT 16YO
>>71806135
>being born in a very well off family
>SEE GUYS I CAN BE SUCCESSFUL ALL ON MY OWN
You're such a faggot you haven o idea.
>>71806572
>choose which college to go to at 16,go through scholarships and apply for it
>shit load of info to look over. Stacks and stacks of paperwork with legal fine print. 30+ pages to sign
>Turn 17 in march, finalize scholarships, grants, and loans and final application.
>go to college in August as a 17 year old freshman
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>71806517
ARE YOU JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED?
THE AVERAGE AGE OF A FRESHMAN IS 18 YEARS OLD.
DID YOU NEVER GO TO SCHOOL?
>>71806754
You can't sign loans or contracts as a 17 year old without an adult co-signer. Your cosigner should be reading the papers.
>>71806757
at least half of people in my freshman year were 17. It's very common.
but you're an idiot so I understand why you would be confuse.
>>71806817
You mean the children that are still reaping some benefits of these people?
>>71806754
See:
>>71806757
But I mean between 17 and 18 is really no difference, if you can't figure out that basket weaving is a dumbass major by the time your nuts hang and you have hairs on your chin then you deserve to be selected out of the genepool.
I'm done with you, you win the biggest loser on 4chan award, congrats
I tried to help you but mummy spoiled you with too many tendies
>>71802588
You sound like such an entitled faggot.
Made 50k last year with a high school diploma and will be making at least 60k this year. I'm 21 btw
>>71805310
>there are enough electrician jobs for everyone in canada or the US?
Yeah, and there are more than enough jobs for gender studies graduates or comfy office jobs for everyone in the US. Fucking retard.
You know, the fact is there are simply not enough well-paying jobs for everyone.
By your logic, people shouldn't have got the degree in the first place and avoid the EVIL credit trap.
>>71806817
>co signer never got a good education
>co signer never had to go to college or even graduate highschool to get a job
>just want the best for their kids
>>71806864
>my anecdotes
>statistic
Okay kiddo, good luck with your drawing japanese cartoons major or whatever, not staying up all night while you blame everybody but yourself
>>71801423
is england speak a problem?
>>71806876
Well, the good news is that if your parents cosign your loan, you don't have to pay them. You can just dump them on your parents. I like to think of it as the financial consequences of them not preparing you for the real world.
>>71806913
He is, its insufferable, you can take over roasting him if you want but it doesn't seem to seep into his thick bitchmade skull
>>71806913
>grew up on a farm
>poor family, even for america standards
>First person in my family to go to college.
>graduate and get a job paying $32/h
>understand that not many people can do what I can
>know what it's like to be poor
>smart enough to see that companies are taking advantage of people
Derp herp.
>>71807000
The funny thing is I do make a living paying those Japanese cartoons that I practiced 12 hours a day to get good at just I could charge $50-$75 an hour for.
>>71807094
>32/hour
>formerly 120k
>You working 80 hours a week doing drawings
>no
>>71807219
>now its 75 an hour
Already enjoy fantasy lando kiddo
In germany we tried pay for cost tuitions a few years ago, basically we tried to self finance our universities, the total tuition per student per semester came to about 800-1000 bucks.
The system was later abolished because "education must be free blah blah", but the point is, you can run universities without raising taxes and without asking for a liver and half a lung per semester.
>inb4 but muh universities are better they must use more money
a) they aren't, and b) even if they were 10 times better, it wouldn't warrant an increase in cost by a factor of 100
I have no alternative but to assume that those hooping and hollering about exorbitant costs for tuition and predatory student loans are ignorant of their options regarding financial aid, are too lazy to pursue those options, or do not qualify because of poor academic performance.
The federal pell grant will take care of nearly all costs for an in-state school if you meet the financial need requirements, which aren't that stringent. The only folks that miss out on this are those living with their parents, who are unwilling to provide any financial assistance while making a good combined income. Sucks for them, really.
That's just one federal financial aid program; the states themselves have myriad options. Fuck, even GEORGIA provided me with completely paid-for tuition, only contingent upon achieving a 3.0 or higher GPA in high school.
Besides all that, there are tons of federal student loans with oodles of deferred payment options, subsidized internet payment, etc.
The only two ways I see people racking up 50k on an undergraduate like I see commonly "cited" is attending an expensive, out-of-state school (or private school) without any considerable financial aid, or accruing shit-tons of student loans and spending the shekels on consumable/luxury items. Or a combination of both.
>>71805005
Good lord.
You know you don't have to live in a major city if you can't afford it, right? There's this thing called commuting, turns out its a lot cheaper than living in a high rise downtown..
>>71801986
Government creates money to control the value of current money at a stable inflation. It is used to fund the capitalist system that you benefit so greatly from. You have food/clothing/shelter and much more as a result of it and only have to work 30-40 hours a week... how is that slavery?
>>71807499
This kid legitimately has autism down to the obsession with chinese pencil figures, don't bother, I tried
>>71805005
>1200/month
I bet I can search one website and find a plethora of "small" big cities like Dallas that have apartments for under 600/month.
Might be ghetto as fuck, but that's why you conceal carry.
>>71807094
>mum got raped at 16 by a random abbo while she was walking home from a friend's
>had me at 17
>got immediately kicked out of the house, was homeless for a year
>had to resort to literal prostitution just to be able to get food for me (she starved herself so i could live)
>eventually got wrapped up hardcore in bikie gangs
>as far back as i can remember, all of my family were scoundrels and bikers
>head bikie (i called him "Uncle Andrew") took me on a bike ride one day, we got back and he went in to get me "a present"
>i'm sitting at home (was a literal meth lab) when i hear someone tapping on a window
>see a tall girl in a jacket or something
>she's whispering to me through the window, telling me to jump through
>Uncle Andrew comes out
>girl fucks off
>"Anon, was someone there?"
>everyone gets on edge
>hear something crash over to the side
>look over
>oh wow the door's g-
>BANG
>get a pike shoved up our asses by the AFP
>i literally nearly get shot
>all of my "family" get either killed or arrested never to be seen again
>mum gets confused for a kidnapped whore and arrested (CAN'T BE HAVING ANY ILLEGAL PROSTITUTION HERE)
>get brought to some weird joint in sydney, interrogated as to what my name was, who took me, etc
>trying to explain in 7 year old babble talk that they were my family
>get shoved into DoCs care (CPS for you americans)
>never see mum again
>never see any of my brothers and sisters (the bikies) again
>get thrown into house with 4 kids, get exploited and raped on multiple occasions
>get straight up told i'm mentally retarded in primary school AND high school
>at 16, get kicked out of high school because i "have no place performing more in depth education"
>at 18 get kicked out of the house as the law mandates
>be homeless for quite a few years
>only just within the past 2 years actually got my shit together (i'm 22 now, got a girlfriend, yay!)
>you think you're poor or disenfranchised
As Uncle Andrew used to say: Go Ram your ass on a pike.
>>71807579
Meanwhile niggers come and nig your shit while you're at work twenty miles away.
>>71807574
I figured. Took the time to read over his posts and I really hope he is just pretending to be retarded.
>>71807581
>>mum got raped at 16 by a random abbo while she was walking home from a friend's
>>had me at 17
Already kekked, thanks for making this thread worth it Oz
>>71802588
You have an education, its called high school. If you want to go further than that youve got to pay.
>>71807685
Wild Raving Abbos senpai, be wary.
>>71807267
Are you seriously this fucking retarded? You have to be the dumbest mother fucker I have ran into today on here.
I charge $50-%75 an hour for freelance or contractor work. Which isn't a studio position. meaning I am not always working. I work as much as I want to by choose which projects I accept or don't accept. It's completely up to me.
For fuck's sake I can do one months work and take the next 3 months off if I wanted to.
>>71802056
Refugees
>>71807646
>Not having a security system
It's inexcusable in this day and age, considering you can get one that operates off your wifi for 20-30/month.
>>71807646
>live in cheap apartment with niggers
>save money and dont buy expensive shit
>nothing valuable to steal
>once you save enough move to nicer area with less melanin enriched folk
>>71801679
None
>>71802942
>>71803147
kill yourself
>>71805989
>teenager
>grown ass man
Pick one.
>>71802063
Literally the worst comparison ever you fucking idiot.
>>71807574
>>71807499
Jobs aren't exactly easy to come by. Most people accept the work they can and either move there or, this is a crazy concept, were born in that city!
I know right! How fucking crazy of an idea someone can be born and living in a city of 2 million their entire lives. And since they are there, their lives are there, their friends, their families (ok I get why that part is foreign to you. Having lives and friends is completely alien to you dumbasses) they either can't or don't want to move away.
Dealing with children today I swear.
>>71807762
Okay buddy, have fun with your cartoons, you're a winner champ
>>7180142
He means "I'm a total panderer and I'm going to keep masturbating millennials and the 4 things they care about so long as they keep sending me money."
>>71807891
Hey pal just letting you know your drawn korean girls are real cool and I'm super proud of you
>>71807891
Jobs ARE easy to come by. Just not jobs that young people want to do. In the past 3 years, 33% of the electricians in the entire state of Kansas retired. But most young people are resistant to working in the elements or touching literal shit with their hands.
>>71807856
Your fault for being a dumbass I suppose
>>71801423
I think he meant that people should be rewarded for getting an education, not punished with student debt of $50,000, $100,000 or more.
>>71807579
>apartments for under 600/month.
Either complete shit holes, take hours to commute, in shitty neighbor hoods, scams, or low income housing.
You faggots have no idea about any of that do you? You realize most of those cheap apartments that are >$500 are only for low income families right? Meaning they can only make something like $20k-$30k combined a year.
>>71807976
>electricians
What the fuck is your god damn obsession of electricians? Are you saying people should ONLY be electricians? Are you saying people should be forced into jobs and careers they don't want to be apart of just because it benefits society?
You're literally advocating socialism.
>>71807891
Then either live with your parents until you can afford your high rise apartment that you so desperately deserve or move to a nearby city with cheaper housing.
Living 30 minutes away from your friends and family isn't going to kill you. It's called making sacrifices.
>>71806624
No education, Just hard work. Also most people are just shit with money, you can have an decent living off minimum wage if you plan accordingly.
>>71807891
>moving is such a bad fucking thing
sell your shit, get a duffel bag, attach it firmly to your shoulder opposite the side you'll be carrying it on (and if possible strap it around your waist), get a fucking bus ticket, and leave.
you don't need to stay in one place your entire life you dumb cunt. do you think big daddy government is holding you down and sodomizing your asshole in the name of le roads?
>>71808038
>waah waah waah i can't actually handle living anywhere that's not in the middle of a city of 4 million
you can find places out in the country that are 150 bucks a week for a two bedroom two bathroom house with a nice lawn. here in australia that is something you'll never encounter.
grow the fuck up.
>>71808103
"waah waah i want to do exactly the job i want and i want to do it right now damn it"
sorry, but life isn't the way you want it to be.
>>71808015
You're just incredibly disingenuous
It's actually pretty funny how hard you keep trolling, I get it though.
>>71808103
Take the jobs that are available or stop crying faggot.
>>71808225
The funny part is I'm not even trolling
I had women in my life telling me to major in journalism or creative writing but I didn't because I don't like beans and favelas
I make about 60k a year with no college. But I have a dirty and dangerous job in a soy bean oil refinery.
>>71808124
>high rise apartment
seriously are you fucking dense or what? These places aren't "high rise" they are your average apartments or rented houses.
>Living 30 minutes away
You have never lived in an urban area have you? 30 minutes will get you about a mile in LA, SF, or SanDiego. Even in a small city I lived 7 miles from work and it still took 50 minutes to commute. That 7 miles was from downtown and I still paid $1500 for a modest 2br 1 bath apartment.
The thread in which everyone on /pol/ shows they come from well off families and have little to no knowledge of the outside world.
>>71808228
Just let him know how super great his eastern cartoons are friend
>>71808038
I live in a city in the US, and pay $420/month. And it's not in a bad part of town.
But here's the thing: it doesn't matter what people can say or prove, you've already made up your mind that everyone's fucked, which is why you are failing. You can't accept that the paradigm has changed, and that you need to adapt. Since I have turned 18 (~12 years ago), I have moved from Kansas, to Nebraska, to West Virgina, to Maryland, back to Kansas, down to Texas, and am finally living in Montana, because I applied for jobs and researched the cost of living. My first job was at KFC, followed by Wal mart, followed by a Printing Press, and then I became an Electrician apprentice. Once I got my journeyman's, I started moving for better jobs (taking into consideration the cost of living).
I'm making over 92k gross in a town where the rent is between 350-700/month, all without ever setting foot into any college.
You, on the other hand, keep trying the same shit in the same place (or same types of places), and bitching that nothing is changing.
>>71808352
sure you do kid. Sure you do.
>>71808340
>You have never lived in an urban area have you? 30 minutes will get you about a mile in LA, SF, or SanDiego. Even in a small city I lived 7 miles from work and it still took 50 minutes to commute. That 7 miles was from downtown and I still paid $1500 for a modest 2br 1 bath apartment.
Simple: Don't live in an urban area.
>The thread in which everyone on /pol/ shows they come from well off families and have little to no knowledge of the outside world.
see
>>71807581
you're ignoring people making actual points.
>>71808103
>"Jobs aren't available"
>"Yes they are, they just aren't fun. One third of a workforce that I am aware of retired in a state over the past 3 years."
>"What is your obsession with that workforce?"
I dunno. Maybe the fact that I'm knowledgeable in that sector, which is a sector that pays very well, and disproves what you are claiming?
Here is an easy solution; education is free unless it's liberal arts.
>>71808395
>http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Production/Power-plant-operators-distributors-and-dispatchers.htm
>2015 Median Pay: $75,660 per year/$36.38 per hour.
Is it so hard to believe that you can find a job that pays 22% higher than the national average?
>>71801423
>People should be rewarded for taking an education.
People should be rewarded for doing the dishes.
People should be rewarded for going to the bathroom.
People should be rewarded for making themselves dinner.
>>71808567
No. I'm a 6'4"chef at Wendy's making $130,000 a year. I also have a 9 inch cock.
>>71801423
>people should be rewarded when they buy a corvette, not be punished with the pricetag.
>>71808607
Good for you.
>>71808444
You're talking about one sector of the entire fucking world and then get butthurt that not everyone wants to do what you do.
>>71808425
you mean the meme post that was just someone making shit up in a greentext story? That's what you think is an actual post?
I like how you faggots are constantly posting about statistics when it comes to how violent and stupid blacks are but when someone posts statistics of average rent you don't believe them or disregard them completely.
How about this for average income for an household. $50k isn't much for multiple people working BTW. That's basically two barely above min-wage jobs Which means multiple cars, children, ect.
>The U.S.Census Bureau reported in September 2014 that: U.S. real (inflation adjusted) median household income was $51,939 in 2013 versus $51,759 in 2012, statistically unchanged. In 2013, real median household income was 8.0 percent lower than in 2007, the year before the latest recession
But no, let's keep posting our anecdotal experiences. Cus that's how arguments work right? "I'm fine, therefore, everyone else is."
>>71808567
>92k gross
>75k
herherherherher
>>71808711
>you mean the meme post that was just someone making shit up in a greentext story? That's what you think is an actual post?
"I don't like what he's saying so I'm going to call him a liar"
You're either a shitposter or you're a fucking idiot.
>>71808600
Let's reward them with goodboy points and a plate of chicken tendies
>>71808567
do you not get the concept where people shouldn't be forced into positions they don't want to? Maybe someone want's to work in law or medicine or teaching. Some of these careers don't pay a lot but the person might find them rewarding. Maybe they suck at writing but great at math.
You realize not everyone is proficient in the exact same type of work as you are right? Not EVERYONE has the drive or ability to work as an electrician.
You can't get over the fact people are different than you. Everyone has different experiences and are good at different things.Not everyone can just go "Hey, I guess I'll be an electrician cus it's an available position."
>>71808711
>You're talking about one sector of the entire fucking world and then get butthurt that not everyone wants to do what you do.
I'm not the one that's butthurt. You are. You're claiming that there are no good paying jobs left, and I'm refuting you.
Here's my next search (plumbers):
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Construction-and-Extraction/Plumbers-pipefitters-and-steamfitters.htm
Job is predicted to grow by 12 percent over 10 years, and pay is about 50,600/yr
Here's HVAC:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Installation-Maintenance-and-Repair/Heating-air-conditioning-and-refrigeration-mechanics-and-installers.htm
Growing by 14 percent by 2024. Pay is 45k.
Electricans:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/electricians.htm
Pay is about 50k. Job growth: 14% by 2024.
Here's welding:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/production/welders-cutters-solderers-and-brazers.htm
Pay is about 40k. Job growth is lower at 4% by 2024.
Carpenters are 42k
Construction and building inspectors are 60k
Construction equipment operators are 60k
Drywall is 40k
Insulation workers are 40k
Painters are 36k
Roofers are 36k
Solar installers are 37k.
Plenty of jobs out there that are above minimum wage, and require no college education.
>>71808751
I'm paid 45.50/hr. You do the math on that one.
>>71809140
jesus christ you are one of the most sheltered people i have ever seen
sometimes you don't have a choice of where you work fuckwit
sometimes you just have to work, or you starve.
how did you even get into university anyway? give us some stories about that.
>>71809140
That's great. Maybe someone doesn't want to work at all.
The world doesn't conform to you. You give the world what it wants. If you want to do something that the world has no interest in paying you in, then you are shit out of luck. Now, if you want to complain about that, fine, but don't expect anyone to have any pity for you.
>>71801423
You don't NEED a college education. There are enough people with liberal arts degrees as it is.
>>71801423
swedish model with free edcuckation and "salary" for studying
>>71807762
Post portfolio pls, I'm interested in changing my major to Illustration at some point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4fzm01/422_hillary_48_bernie_45_in_indiana_were_only/
Keep phone banking guys.
Maybe Bernie will win that ;_)))
We seriously need some emergency legislation put in to stop any future sander cuck candidates.
I fear there are just going to be more and more liberal shits just trying to fuck over and mooch off the success of the white man, while simultaneously they claim white men to be the root of all evil.
>>71801423
>they should be rewarded for getting an education
They are rewarded, if you get actual good degree you are basically guaranteed to have a well paid work, if you chose shit like social studies/gender studies or who knows what it's none of my concerns
>not punished with student debt
You need money
You take loan
You have to pay it back
PUNISHMENT
How can anyone who is older than 20 seriously vote for him? I know that he can appeal to all those kids with student debts and all but come on!
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g1i90/bernie_will_win_pennsylvania_heres_why/
Bernie will win guys ;)
Hillary supporters are tired
>>71809707
I am starting to feel sorry for these kids.... Why the hell are they wasting their time at this point?
He need 72% of remaining delegates..... Give it up already
>>71809149
Based trade skills blowing the fuck out of whiny no job faggots without remorse.
It's not that there are no jobs. It's that people think these jobs are beneath them.
They are likely millenial human trash.
>>71809839
Notice how he got silent after that.
>>71807976
Blue collar jobs aren't even bad.
Often times less stressful than most white collar ones.
>>71810245
Oh, believe me, I know. I work 8 hours, and drive 2.2 miles home. It's also proven that people working blue collar jobs feel a greater sense of accomplishment about their lives. They see the results of their work, and feel a sense of accomplishment.
But a lot of people just want to sit in an air conditioned office. There's nothing inherently wrong with either blue collar or white collar. But if you're like>>71809140
where you think that you shouldn't do any market research, and a job should just materialize for you because that's the job that you want, then you're a damned fool.
I'd love to be a blacksmith that makes swords. Not a huge market for them, though.
>>71801986
People need to take responsibility, but at the same time bankruptcy laws need to be changed so banks take responsibility of who they give loans to. Why would a bank give a loan they do more have faith will be paid back
>>71809239
>The world doesn't conform to you. You give the world what it wants
Congrats, you support bernie sanders and his socialism.
Please check in for you newly appointed career.
>>71810526
Problem with that is that in order to get more people approved for loans, the government guaranteed them.
This is why you can't declare bankruptcy on college loans (you used to be able to). It's also why the price of college has skyrocketed high enough to where Bernie wants to make it free.
The solution from the left is ALWAYS more government. Doesn't matter that a few decades ago, you could work a part time job while going to college full time, and graduate with under 5k of debt (which isn't bad, even with a $3.35/hr minimum wage).
>>71801423
Education should be free and he's right. How much talent and innovation is held back due to economic barriers like debt?
>>71810669
>Congrats, you support bernie sanders and his socialism.
>Please check in for you newly appointed career.
You are genuinely one of the most stupid people I've ever met.
>>71810669
Except that I don't, fuck face. Success is nothing more than finding a need, and fulfilling it.
This "follow your heart and the money will follow," is horse shit, and making college free won't do anything to make the job you want materialize.
>>71810767
How much talent and innovation is held back due to comfort, laziness, and taxation?
>>71810817
None? Those who will want to pursue an education will and those who want to laze about should be able too?
time to get rewarded for studying gender studies
>>71810926
Taxation stifles innovation. This is self evident by comparing capitalism to communism or socialism.
Comfort/laziness has nothing to do with education. You can be comfortable making 15/hr, and never strive for more, because you're comfortable where you are.
What pushes innovation is a need, a desire to be better than you are now. And education is no guarantee to that.
Furthermore, what Bernie is proposing isn't free, unless the teachers are willing to work for free, the buildings are going to be built for free (both labor and materials), and the electricity, water, internet, and food are going to be supplied for free. And if you can find people willing to work for nothing, and donate products and services for nothing, then by all means, do so. But you don't need a politician to facilitate that.
Otherwise, you're not talking about "free." You're talking about taking resources from others, regardless of their consent, and you can't even justify it as a universal good.
>>71811143
I'm some third shift cunt that's been lurking a bit in this thread watching people look like fucking jackasses trying to refute you.
I'm certainly no economist, but as someone that has used multiple forms of financial aid (and still using some to finish up my undergrad), I can speak with some small authority on the practical matters of obtaining financial aid to pay for university.
I mean, fuck, I've just got babby's first student loan as buffer shekels in case of emergency, the funds are intact and only at 2,500. I'm STILL sitting here with a puckered butthole about the very inkling of being in debt AT ALL.
Again, I've no fucking clue how anyone could claim that the availability of financial assistance for post-secondary studies is severely lacking in the US unless they're lazy, ignorant, or feel as though "the college experience" (spending bokou bucks on consumable items and luxury goods) should be paid for by the state.
>>71807439
>>71811951
I'm gonna take it that you approve of my argument then.
Glad to see that there are anon's in /pol/ with their heads on straight.
Good on you, anon. I hope that your degree choice was wise, and that you will be paid well upon graduation.
>>71806135
>>71806624
You make a lot of assumptions in your shit arguments. Brother is 20 years old and probably better off than you with no debt. Mother manages a restaurant she started off as a line cook in. Father runs his own business he started when he was 18. Neither of my parents afforded me any advantages other than giving me a place to live and food to eat until the age of 17. And I guess that inner city school I attended that was majority black just pushed my success, huh? You're attitude shows that you are either a shitty troll or a libcucks that is dying in poverty from their dumbass life choices. But hey, at least you got the opportunity to bitch about your college debt on a Chinese underwater origami board.
>>71812043
I'm sure plenty of folks would tell me that it isn't. They may be correct!
I'm close to completion of my B.S. in Psychology. Damn near to a butt-paper degree, although not as abysmally worthless as a B.A..
Graduate school is obligatory, with my end-goal being a master's degree in Licensed Clinical Social Work, with intention of working in private practice.
We'll see how that pans out. Honestly, I'm hoping that I'll be able to schmooze and network more next semester and secure a pathway to some sort of bullshit HR position for some financial security while attending grad school. I'm luckily blessed with an affable demeanour and am able to easily present myself as intelligent, competent, and sociable.
I'm working while in school at the moment, but my job ain't at all something that I would be satisfied with doing for too much longer. I ain't suffering, but I ain't happy.
But yes, you've made very good points. Of course, I don't know if I would agree with your overall philosophy or solutions to these issues, but I at least agree with your refutation of others' arguments posted here.
Mostly when discussing this I just can't pick my jaw up off the floor when seeing that 50k+ debt figure.
It's like you gotta be TRYING to fuck your shit up to do that, you know?
>>71807581
I geniuenly do not believe this anon
>>71812589
>with intention of working in private practice.
I take issue with this. It's like saying that if you were a programming, you would have no intention of ever working for MS or Google.
You go where the money is. Maybe that's the public sector, maybe it's private.
But when the Median wage (46k) for your profession requires a Masters plus 2 years supervised clinical experience, you can't afford to be picky.
To be honest, that's a LOT of education for what you can expect to be paid. I hope you're happy with your job, because you're gambling nearly a decade of your life on it.
But it's your life. I most certainly wouldn't tell you how to live it.
>>71801607
education costs IS a racket
doesn't mean throwing taxpayer dollars at is is the solution
>>71812834
I'm not so very concerned with a high volume of cash-flow. If I was, I would be taking a much different path!
Mainly I am adverse to the idea of working around stringent government regulations and protocol. I wish for the freedom from those things, and the ability to perform therapies as I see fit.
Naturally, this isn't exactly going to happen in private practice either, unless I start my own business. I'm not so connected to familial money or anything, so that is doubtful.
And you're absolutely right. I'll not have the luxury of being able to be picky.
Thanks for the thoughts, bud. Good luck to both of us. Although I reckon that I could use a hefty dose of it a bit more than you, heh.
>>71808328
You can make more being a truck driver. 80k a year is a normal rate for those that only drive in state and go home at night. If you go on the road for months at a time you make over 6 figures easily. But that's just a life of meth and hookers.
