believing in any religion is stupid and dumb there is no evidence of god or gods sorry /pol/ >inb4 >lefunnytipsfedora
>edghyatheist >i bring no aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggummmmmmmennnnnnntsssssssss
>>71791015
Don't worry, you'll eventually get out of puberty and your body will settle down.
Every preteen/teenager goes through with it and you become fine.
>>71791265
>literally le edgy atheist maymay
Just as OP predicted holy fuck.
>>71791265
kek Good argument, see how retarded are you?
>>71791015
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Science is a religion
>>71791439
>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>based sagan
>>71791491
Science is fact.
>>71791015
>there is no evidence of god or gods
What if I've had direct divine revelation?
>>71791653
Not evidence a claim, I could say I have a dragon in my pocket, And I can throw him out of the pocket and he will expand i will ride can you disprove otherwise?
>>71791592
No it isn't. Van Allen belts but still "landing" on the moon. Indestructible nuclear camera footage. "7 billion" year old earth with only 7 billion people
>>71791922
grammar fucked up a bit there sorry.
>>71791015
>Iceland
Fucking everytime
>>71791953
There is no faith in science its all based of evidence so not a faith, so sorry kid
>>71791953
You are too much of a moron to understand why science is fact. There is literally nothing on this planet that cant be explained by science. Why the fact you think science is some belief system shows how fucking stupid you really are you are like that nigger Bokassa that outlawed electricity and favored magic.
>>71791015
>believing in any religion is stupid and dumb
pic related: it's your life story ya inbred moron LOL.
>>71792048
Oops I blew you out and you only could repeat yourself and not be specific against me
>>71792055
You niggers are floundering. I want you to go point by point through what I say and refute them or say nothing at all
>>71792131
AH fedora your only argument and also far from inbred kied, its just proves how stupid you are
>>71792151
If science isnt fact then explain how water boils, explain how there is a day and night, or explain how you can see without science.
>>71791338
If he's not going to present any arguments then he'll get none in return.
>>71792151
I prefer not to argue with a wall sorry
>>71792251
Nope. You made a claim. I made a claim specifically against yours. You ignore mine. Twice now. You both have one more shot or I'm leaving
>>71792297
You're not arguing. What wall? I'm waiting
>>71792048
>>71792055
There's no need to use 2 proxies, reddit
>>71792299
Are you retarded? he explained it so well,
>>71792388
Aaand mmbuh bye. Not a damn thing was in his response against my own specifics. Suck on my balls
>>71792375
I can prove to you im icelandic if you want to...
>>71792299
You said that science isnt fact, prove it or shut up.You are using a machine that is nothing but science to say science isnt fact.
>>71792434
He explained it anyone thats not in denial could understand
>>71792448
I did. Three times. Fuck off. Van Allen. Nuclear test cams being invincible without any other explanations from those times. 7 billion people; "7 billion" years. Ciao.
>>71792437
>Proving he's icelandic
Underage reddit pls go back
>>71792375
This
>>71791265
You literally just proved OP's point
>>71792578
Brainwashed satanists
>>71792537
Almost fell for it
>>71792618
Atheists don't believe in Satan either
>>71792525
Whats your point exactly and earth is only 4.5 billion years old retard.
>>71792653
>implying there's any
My goodness these redditards are cancer
>>71792537
þú ert helítist mella andskotans ogeð dreptu vonandi færðu rassgata krabamein helvítis blámaður viðbjóð
>"religion is stupid"
>no you're wrong
>"prove it"
Shitty bait.
>>71792684
>>71792772
Pathetic
>>71792830
I CANT ARGUE FOR THE LIFE OF ME, GOTS TO CALLS REDDITS M8S
>>71792897
You have yet to post anything that makes sense at all.
>>71792941
Keep talking you vagina
>>71791015
Obviously not. Not at least in your mind, yet. God is supernatural, therefore behind any earthly demonstration or test.
Bound to no thing, yet all things are bound to Him.
The Universe is evidence as God, and every last thing in it. The Uniformity of Nature is evidence of God. When we use Science, we are not creating, we are discovering.
Even more so, merely discerning the way in which things operate. Isn't it peculiar, that every last thing, seems to act in a certain way? Look at chemistry, Oxygen and Hydrogen do not combine to form water because we will it, it does so in accordance to its own nature. All of which is divined by God.
>>71791015
Got any proofs that god doesn't exist Mr.Islandngger ?
>>71792845
nice goolg translaet
I will of prov that Im of Chinese too
清创华廷长公顷男子伍皓谢漫长的一年禁令
>>71791338
>le
Fuck off to Redddit.
>>71792989
You have yet to post anything that makes sense at all.
>>71792991
>The Universe is evidence as God, and every last thing in it. The Uniformity of Nature is evidence of God. When we use Science, we are not creating, we are discovering.
Not in Bible therefore not possible.
>>71791968
Yes, show us the dragon. He is speaking out of his own experience, you cannot deny him that. But you can call him a liar. However, if what he says is true, it is true. And you calling him a liar will not change that.
>inb4 a valid criticism of my post haha now you can't prove me wrong!
>>71792861
the burden of proof is up to them not me, the shit i know is fact (evolution) i can give you countless evidence, but before i even consider having faith in a god or gods i need EVIDENCE
Religion is a great way to bring morals, social cohesion, and a sense of identity, of belonging, of unity, to the people.
It can easily be used to reinforce the state, reinforce the people, the country, so it frankly does not matter wether any of it is true or not.
>>71792240
*tips fedora*
*inhales vape pen*
*masturbates to cartoons*
*cries loudly*
this is you. in spades. you can't disprove shit, neck beard faggot.
>>71791953
Van Allen belts
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm
Not sure what you're getting at with the nuke footage. Could be any number of things.
"7 billion" year old earth with only 7 billion people? Easy. Humans have only been around since about 50,000 BC.
>>71793074
They're all right there. In plain English. Say it a 12th time. Take them or leave them and make babby's first excuses. I'm gone. You're fucking retarded and a liar for the JIDF and Darwin IDF
>>71793074
What is not in the Bible? What exactly in my post are you referring to?
>>71793098
I cant sorry I can only ride him when no one is looking
>>71793006
The burden of proof lies not with me, but with you, my friend.
>>71793194
BIble says nothing about universe being evidence of Yahweh.
>>71793137
>Religion is a great way to bring morals
Only subhumans have no morals wow guess christians are subhumans.
>>71793073
I dont use redddit ever
>>71792991
Do you have any idea how fucking gay you sound?
>>71792991
Nature isn't "uniform" it's pretty fucking chaotic.
>>71793216
I cannot deny your experience. But I can call you a liar.
>>71793115
>believing in any religion is stupid and dumb there is no evidence of god or gods sorry /pol/
>the burden of proof is no you
Atheists are fag enablers.
Atheists are rapefugee enablers.
>>71793294
Yep what I am doing right now is unfalsifiable hypothesis wich god is,
I can say hey there is a elf that live in my house etc
>>71793348
And here comes the christtards with theirr absurd ideas of why they should hate atheist.
>>71793287
On Earth? Yes. It goes through change. But the Laws of the Universe never change.
>>71793269
Interesting argument. I apologize that my use of words come across as gay to you. Maybe stop thinking in such a gay way? That may help you.
>>71793348
Honestly, anything to make you losers butthurt
Atheists are feminist enablers.
>>71793319
Nice b8
>>71791015
>Atheists are scientists
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>71793381
You mean christians are since you are the ones that allowed muslims in your lands retard.
>>71793389
Just type in logical proofs for God on Google. If you respect reason and logic you should be joining us shortly.
Atheists are Jew enablers.
>>71793164
They put fake cardboard inserts in the shuttle port holes to make a "terminator line" to fake being farther than they were. The cameras; are you 5? Here's a nuclear bomb. Looks like Independence Day little models. Camera is fine. Made of Kryptonite. The earth is 6000 years old and there was a flood. Homo sapien might be since 50K BC but they all died and two remained to "evolve" and this happened many many times for hundreds of thousands to "millions" of years. Nah. Also. No rain. No rain. No rain. No rain. Then boom. So much rain we created the oceans. We are rock lemon banana soups. Radiation from tobacco is bad. But radiation in space is nothing. The Sun is not a reactor it is a transformer and it is not 96 million miles away
>>71793406
>interesting argument
Did you just smoke weed the first time kiddo?
>>71793457
Post proof or shut up.
>>71793465
Christianity is the reason why jews are reverred so much in white countries to begin with, its your fault cuckstians.
>>71793074
>Not in the Bible
>Not possible
fucking retard mang. Did you mingle with Prots all the time? No wonder you are retarded
>>71793465
Christian Neo-cons are
>>71793500
Another interesting argument. Very great, good job. Keep shit posting you are great at it.
Atheists are porn enablers.
>>71793455
Christians don't control our lands anymore, you Atheists do. You're the ones who made deals with Jews and are being used to dismantle the nuclear family and push degeneracy, so they let you have power. If you actually believe Christians run their own nations you are seriously fucking retarded.
I won't believe in any religious bullshit with no empirical evidence.
I can't disprove god's or the magical man-bear-pig's existence 100% because muh faith, but if you actually buy that made up horseshit with literally no reason oh boy i can only think of you as a retarded sheep.
>>71791491
Nice meme, retard.
>>71792368
Build it
>>71793523
You don't believe in God but it's our fault they killed Him. Mmkay
>>71793523
As I said, type in logical proofs.
>>71793490
Holy shit its like reading a retard's idea of how the earth and life on it was formed.
>>71793572
Fist it
>>71793592
Excellent rebuttal
>>71791015
alright i will
>>71793555
I think you might be a profit. You should write a story about jesus and get it added to the bible. Your legit man. Everything you say is on point
>>71793605
Excellent rebuttal.
>>71793490
Here from Page 1 and you sound off your rocker, even for a leaf.
>>71793490
Go to bed Gene Ray. I regret having responded to your first post seriously.
>>71793457
You just type in evidence for evolution and you would join us shortly,i have read the new testament reserched all sorts of religons and many of the are almost the same as Chrstianity, google, Hórus maybe not the best argument but its wort mentioning
I can't say I disagree, however I can't fault people for believing religion. I wish I could make myself fall for that bullshit, it seems comforting. Also, fuck the people who say "muh only possible explanation," no it's not, and you're stupid.
>>71791015
too stupid to understand science but not quite dumb enough for religion?
try making fun of christians on the internet!
>>71793562
"I won't believe anything without empirical evidence."
Nearly everything we know about history, geology and how things work on Earth in general are due to forensic evidence. Not empirical.
Learn the difference. You are brain washed for thinking nothing can be true until it comes up behind you and rapes you.
Remember Atheists, you're just puppets for the Jews. They use you to attack Christians and dismantle the West.
That's all you are.
>>71793559
>Christians don't control our lands anymore, you Atheists do
No we dont fucktard, you christian nutjobs are still the majority in every european country.
>You're the ones who made deals with Jews and are being used to dismantle the nuclear family and push degeneracy
No you are the ones that made this planet care about jews in the first place.
>If you actually believe Christians run their own nations you are seriously fucking retarded.
But they do.
>>71793573
Why are you so fucking retarded?
>>71793676
>>71793677
You sure showed me. Ultimate fagmos
>secular western countries are the most accepting of globalist kikery
>secularism is best
Pick one.
>>71793706
You need a diapy-change m'lady
God created science, so your point is invalid OP.
>>71793637
Nice sarcasm. I still love you regardless.
>>71793704
>Using merchant memes as an unfalsifiable hypothesis
I kek'd
Since were having a 9gag thread
>>71793490
THIS IS LIKE READING THE TIMECUBE SITE
>>71793773
Not in bible so not true.
>>71791015
>there is no evidence of god or gods sorry /pol/
Neither that science exits.
Where I can touch it?
>>71793817
Good
>>71793811
but spiderman does exist.
>Be atheist
>spend entire life looking at porn and fornicating
>indulge in secular tv programming
>swear constantly
>enable fags and feminists
>push for miscegenation and immigration
>dismantle church influence in government
>society starts to crumble
>economy goes to shit
>crime skyrockets
>suicide rates quadruple overnight
>world hates us
>we hate ourselves
"FUCKING CHRISTIANS!!"
>>71793030
>Hua Ting Zhanggong are debridement man Wu Hao Xie long year ban
cool
>>71793683
I don't deny evolution. But I think the mechanisms by which it operates are still not understood. And that adaptation does not arise by random means, but due to necessity.
>>71793811
>he doesn't believe in Spiderman
Watch the upcoming documentary called Civil War, he's in there. Proof
This thread is the most ignorant/hilarious thing I've read all night!
Thanks guys.
>>71793811
Shut up! I want spider-man to be real. Why you do this to me? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
SPIDER MAN IS FUCKING REAL
REEEEEEEEEEE
>>71793839
Oh god a retard, its useless arguing with you ppl
>>71791015
Science is a religion
>>71793703
>Forensic science is the application of science to criminal and civil laws. Forensic scientists collect, preserve, and analyse scientific evidence during the course of an investigation. While some forensic scientists travel to the scene to collect the evidence themselves, others occupy a purely laboratory role, performing analysis on objects brought to them by other individuals.[1] In addition to their laboratory role, forensic scientists testify as expert witnesses in both criminal and civil cases and can work for either the prosecution or the defense. While any field could technically be forensic, certain sections have developed over time to encompass the majority of forensically related cases.
>Empirical: derived from or guided by experience or experiment. Provable or verifiable by experience or experiment.
5/10, you sounded so confident you actually made me look it up.
>>71791015
>is stupid and dumb
You sound like a kid that just graduated elementary school.
>>71793833
Genesis 1
>>71793457
Just type in "non falsifiable," in google and maybe you'll see that it's impossible to prove or disprove religions with the whole "muh god is invisible and omnipresent tho," So it's pointless to even consider it as a solution.
'MUH BURDEN PROOF'
Kek
Edgy teenagers are funny as fuck
>>71793115
But you made the claim that religion was stupid. Prove your fucking point or gtfo
>>71793799
God is a faggot, and if hell is real, I'll go just to prove a point
MUH RIGHTS
>>71793725
>literally having schizophrenia and posting on /pol/
>>71793839
Science is an abstract concept you fucking moron that encompasses other abstract concepts.
>>71791015
>Le believing in God is stupid, Chaim on TV told me to attack those stupid Christians and their biggoted beliefs, they aren't welcome in my country
>WHY YES MOHAMMED, I'LL GIVE YOU A HOUSE, FOOD, ENTERTAINMENT, UTILITIES AND SPECIAL LAWS JUST FOR YOU
I don't understand you cucks, schlomo got you to hate Christians with his brainwashing really good. You deserve your fate.
>>71793931
And you took the b8 and bumped a troll thread.
Good job kiddo.
>>71793817
tru tru
>>71793406
If Earth isn't magically part of the universe I'd like to know to what exactly you're referring to, because then you're just cherry picking.
The only thing that even seems amazing is that life exists to the extent it does here.
That's the only great "mystery". The odds are so against us existing at all, but we do. That doesn't point to any uniformity at all.
You could say any galaxy acts in a predictable manner, same with any explosion, but you can't know exactly where each particle will go or the consequences of its travel.
>>71793490
Welp, glad to see you've confirmed your pure denial of science working ever.
>>71793935
Show me where it says God created science.
>>71793926
You haven't provided an argument yet. All you've posted so far is empty sophistry.
>>71793966
Your empty head cannot even begin to comprehend how fucked and stupid you are
1. Religion has been found by science to play a key part in mental health and overall feeling of happiness.
2. Societies with a high level of anomie are more atheist and more morally degenerate. Whether anomie comes from atheism of the other way around is not known as far as I'm aware, but they go hand in hand.
3. Scientists smarter, more accomplished and more decorated than you are religious. Are you saying they do not understand science? Sounds like Dunning–Kruger to the max.
>>71793683
>Horus
You're an idiot. Horus was not like Jesus.
>>71791516
Oww Carl, why did you have to die? You were so kewl =(
>>71793986
Liberalism is basically a religion based on emotional nonsense so stop confusing them with real atheist.
>>71793999
>statement
Why not put an essay against every point in mine like I did. Argue away, zygotes
>>71793988
>What's sage?
>>71793867
>using this meme wrongly
FUCK
OFF
>>71793882
Yeah, sure. Nevermind the fact that quality of life is 100x better now than at any time in history. Nevermind the fact that almost every single war is a religious war.
Nevermind the fact that Abrahamic religion is the CURRENT world problem with invading shitskin Muslim hordes.
>>71793930
Forensic evidence not forensic science.
>>71791015
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Didn't they teach you about "denying the antecedent" in your fedora class?
>>71791015
There is no real evidence that you are a massive faggot, but I truly believe that you are one.
>>71794020
yeah i have your just to dumb to understand them read my posts better, or just google. unfalsifiable hypothesis pretty much the arguments ive been making, not going into depth with retards sorry
>>71794134
Christians also keep on forgetting the pathological altruistic complex of whites was caused by them.
>>71793967
God is abstract too.
>>71793939
Until you look at history, Scripture, and that Jesus was a real man, and only his miracles are debated. Even though they are mentioned outside the Bible in several historical writings.
>>71791015
>implying religion is just believing in a higher being
>implying religion doesn't come with rules and guidelines that can actually make a person live a better more happy life to make themselves feel good and those around them
Fucking idiots there is more to religion than just believing in something you cannot see or prove to exist.
>>71793490
A. FUCKING. LEAF.
>>71794134
>Nevermind the fact that almost every single war is a religious war.
An interesting source of truth on the matter is Philip and Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars, which chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature,2 which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars. However, when one subtracts out those waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage is cut by more than half to 3.23%.
Kill yourself faggot.
>>71794212
Then it means God is not concrete and thus not real.
>>71791015
Christfag tears are delicious.
>>71793964
No one is beyond saving.
>>71794245
A fucking aunt jemima
>>71794138
>forensic evidence
>Evidence usable in a court, specially the one obtained by scientific methods such as ballistics, blood test, and DNA test.
>>71794049
did you read what i said not the best argument, but there obivious parts from horusis story that are really alike some stories in the bible
>>71794268
But we're laughing at you.
>>71794253
Neither is science.
I dont believe in God or any religion cause honestly whats the point. And yea, it is dumb, because you basically have to believe in fairy tales.
Ill acknowledge that religion is an excellent tool for taming the masses, and may well be necessary...but its still for buffoons and the emotionally challenged
>>71794131
>I'm wrong because I used a meme in a way you don't like
>>71794281
You can say that when they put a nigger on our flag
>>71794098
I did, and you went completely autist and didn't provide any evidence to counter my evidence
>They put fake cardboard inserts in the shuttle port holes to make a "terminator line" to fake being farther than they were
Literally no evidence. You didn't even attempt to read the evidence I gave you. Clearly you don't care about facts so why would I bother giving you any more.
>>71794191
You made a claim in the OP and haven't given any arguments to back it up. All you've done is move the goalposts
>hurr you have to prove God is real otherwise religion must be "stupid and dumb"
>>71794350
Ok Obobo
>>71794337
Science is a method to study natural world. Not a faith. That's the difference.
>>71794337
Yes science is a social construct for "study of", there is no concrete real science its as retarded as asking for a concrete real version of history.
If God is abstract then it means he is not real.
>>71793999
It is part of the Universe. I was referring to the change of seasons because of its orbit, which is due to the Uniformity.
>>71794028
>2016
>shitposting is equivalent to """"""""""""""trolling""""""""""""""
>>71794352
Get ready for anal fissures
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Hmjklmy6o
>>71794370
you need to give evidence to make me consider it, is that so bad should i be a gullible moron, you HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF YOU ARE MAKING A CLAIM
>>71794019
Do you not have a Bible?
>>71791015
S c i e n t i s m
L e l
>>71794272
THIS. THIS IS WHY IM AN ATHEIST. LEAVE ME ALONE. I DONT WANT TO BE PART OF YOUR CULT. I DONT WANT TO BE "SAVED"
GAS THE GENTILES
RACE WAR NOW
>>71794328
What could be funnier than an adult with an imaginary friend?
>>71794218
>Even though they are mentioned outside the Bible in several historical writings.
Why don't you name them for clarity's sake?
>>71794494
The word science is not in the bible at all.
>>71791015
>using a bohr model to represent helium
Nigga, do you even science?
>>71794483
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE THE CLAIM YOU FUCKING RETARD
>believing in any religion is stupid and dumb there is no evidence of god or gods sorry /pol/
Why is the atheists first line of defense calling other people stupid without having a discussion?
>>71794247
My bad.
Almost every *important* war with huge losses of life have been religious wars.
Those 1000 something other wars? Most of them were tiny nothing "wars" compared to the big ones.
>>71791015
If God was in front of you, would you beleve it was real?
>>71794623
Why is the Christians first line of defense using fedora neck beard memes and calling Atheists losers without having a discussion
>>71794521
The farther away you run from Him, that farther away you run from yourself.
>>71794623
They overestimate their reasoning abilities so in their minds any opposing argument simply has to be wrong. How could they, being the highly enlightened and intellectual beings that they are, be wrong after all?
>>71794675
Dude... selective information bias.
>>71794623
Because religions feel culty to us. Its like...if there was really a "god," why would he care about us?
And the thing is, you cant use the bible to convince me, because thats a self fulfilling propechy
>>71794711
If Muhammad and Allah were right in front of you, would you convert?
>>71794532
Josephus, Tacitus. There are a few others.
>>71794623
They're tired of discussing something so obvious.
>It's an atheists try to pretend their logic isnt fundamentally flawed thread
>>71794574
ahh you are retarded, religious faggets like you say god is real, when i say no he is not, following yet? its not up to me to prove otherwise, okay okay you understand, and the post i made
>believing in any religion is stupid
Is just me telling that gods is bullshit cause there is no evidence okay got it? I literally had to spell it for you like if you were nine holy fuck
I read this thread and I ask you guys.
Why it is so hard to let people be?
>>71794746
The farther from him away you run, that father away run you from yourself
Ok I have scome questions for all the atheits:
Why do you laugh or don't have respect for a religion that have been around since 2000 years?
Why most of you have that attitude of laguhing the people that want to believe in God?
Don't confuse Christianity with the Church.
Don't be so arrogant. Science is science and releigion is religion.
>>71794532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus
>Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his nonexistence as effectively refuted.[5][7][8][33][34][35] There is no indication that writers in antiquity who opposed Christianity questioned the existence of Jesus.[36][37]
>There is "near universal consensus" among biblical scholars that Jesus existed historically,[1][2][3][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4]
Belief or disbelief, it does not matter.
Either way, our bodies are borrowed, and our souls are finite.
We cannot know the plight of endlessness.
Be good to thy neighbor, for tomorrow is uncertain for the both of you.
>>71794818
We have a complicated explanation for how the universe formed while yours is literally HURR A MAGIC DUDE POOFED INTO EXISTENCE DURR.
>>71794675
Crappy argument. Doesn't mean wars wouldn't have happened if we didn't have religion. Wars start because of human nature. We are not having wars nowadays as much because of many, many reasons, not just secularization.
>>71794818
Yet you Religious people heavily rely on The Burden of Proof fallacy
>>71794795
>Josephus
HAHAHAHAHAHHA THE CHURCH MADE HIM UP i can give you evidence or you can just google no credible historian has ever mentioned jesus in around that period
>>71794782
Well Muhammad is a false god and alla means God in mudspeech. that just shows you 12 and have no idea what you are talking about
>>71794826
I think it's because they go on the defensive when they are faced with opposing facts or opinions. To relieve themselves from that temporary insecurity they make their opinions known and try and discredit the ones with the opposite beliefs
>>71794908
would you mind sharing your complicated explanation?
>>71794980
>Muhammad is a false god
I can just as easily say that your god is false too
>>71794884
Uh, well, atheists are not South Park characters
I'm an atheist, but I play religious services as a classical musician all the time. I am highly respectful of the religions, and I realize that at a minimum, religion was a necessary stepping stone on whatever humanitys path is
But personally, it scares me the kind of violent emotional power religion can have over people. And at the end of the day...I just dont believe in the super natural
I dont believe in ghosts. I dont believe in monsters. I dont believe in god. Idk how else to say it
>>71794819
I know English may be hard for you, but "believing in any religion is stupid and dumb" is a claim. You have to provide evidence for that claim, or it will be dismissed.
You aren't convincing anyone with your shitty non-arguments.
>>71794908
There is no reason to think that the complicated explanation cant fit snuggly within the framework of a creator orientated theory. God is a complicated entity, the most complicated, so it only fits that his creation is also complicated
>>71794888
>be a biblical scholar
>entire life's work is based upon the Bible and proving it accurate as possible
>ever wanting to destroy your own career field by admitting that Jesus wasn't really
>vehemently support the very basis of your entire life work
Yeah, no shit they support it. Find me atheist scholars who agree Jesus was a real person.
This is like saying that because an actor didn't say his experience working on a movie was shit and the movie is shitty during and interview means that it is a good movie and he enjoyed his experience. No, it means he's not gonna commit career suicide by admitting what he just worked for was garbage.
>>71794453
>woman presents no actual evidence except some footage released later
I'm not buying this. She even said they were explaining techniques on the radio, why wasn't any of that translated to text?
You lack basic common sense, and lack of understanding of any science (as your 6000 year old earth shows). I'm seriously worried you're just paranoid if not at least just ill-informed.
>>71794819
And I have yet to claim God is real.
>>71794218
That is a claim, not evidence, not to mention the possibility that the information is secondhand. We cannot also rule out the predisposition of the historian to believe it. Historic writings by biased historians aren't exactly reliable evidence, and if we look at the rest of history, we can understand the extreme possibility of this. And as I said, it is non-falsifiable, and is not proven in modern science. Now if Jesus Christ of Nazareth were to appear today and perform miracles and show modern science that it is in fact possible, then there is then proof, but for now, there is no actual proof.
>>71795053
Its not possible to type all that shit in a fucking thread like this casue you know what its complicated and i doubt he is a scientist so he cant really give you the best awnser, how about you watch documentaries our read books about it?
>>71795138
>Find me atheist scholars who agree Jesus was a real person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman
>>71795078
That was not the question you asked me. I was answering your question. But your the one fighting it. I don't care if you worship trees and what not. But you seem to care about what I believe. If I'm wrong about God. Witch Im not. What is wrong with me never lieing? Not killing? Or maybe not raping? What makes you Hate me? It's ok i still love you
>>71795122
ahh i prefer not argue with a wall sorry, and the stupid and dumb part is just to add to the b8 m8, you are this retarded and you have not noticed this thread was just created for some replys bumps?
>>71794942
See
>>71794888
The Christ myth theory is effectively refuted and only accepted by a very few scholars today. Rejecting this is rejecting the facts.
>>71794819
The burden of proof depends on who is making the claim.
If I claim there is a god, I have the burden of proof
If I claim there is not a god, I have the burden of proof.
Negative claims are much harder that positive claims, and are generally only in math or computing (something like the halting problem)
>>71794942
Yeah let us see your "evidence".
>>71795125
I love the fact you christian retards cant seem to fathom your god it just a fairy tale and not real. Unconsious forces made the making of the universe therefore even more complex unconsious forces made our universe.
>>71795213
You still haven't addressed a single point I've made. Maybe it's because I didn't ask you directly, so here it goes.
If on the OP image you accuse religious people of not being able to understand science, what do you think about scientists way smarter than you who are religious?
>>71795138
You dont need to prove jesus wasnt a physical human being at some point in history to be atheist brux
Though, my understanding is that at the time, "son of god" was a term for a hippy
At the moment I'm definitely a Chrstian, and I will never be an atheist (I've seen too much) but I find myself leaner more and more to esotericism lately. It just seems more fleshed out, more comprehensive
>>71795262
I said atheist, not agnostic.
>>71795182
Sorry maybe you are not a christian, but i am talking about most like prove to be god dosent exsits hurr durr
All you guys are missing the point.
It's not about whether or not God exists, but whether or not he would approve of your conduct.
An atheist could possibly have a logic-based belief system, but you don't. You believe what you believe because you want to. You feel denial and selective application of science gives you freedom from responsibilities you don't want. You cannot afford to apply rigorous and sceptical analysis to your foundational beliefs. Your ego can't risk shattering your arrogance with doubt.
>>71795406
>I've seen too much
What did you see?
>>71795406
>ive seen too much
you havent seen enough
>>71795290
I don't rape, murder or steal because of empathy, meaning I wouldn't want it to happen to me if I was in that persons shoes.
I don't care what god someone worships is, what I do care about is those same people spamming the board with shit threads and fedora memes
>>71795368
You sound incredibly naive. What could possibly lead you to the definite conclusion that it is caused by unconscious forces? Not even the greatest physicists claim to know that with certainty
>>71795199
None of that is a claim.
Everything I referred to exists in this world that we live in.
>>71795375
They are in denial of the evidence and only like 2% Are so sorry
>>71795466
But see, from the atheist perspective, thats exactly what christians do
>>71791015
>Elecrons in a gravitational type orbit around the nucleus
the ironing is delicious
>>71795532
>only like 2%
Care to show any proper survey to back those claims?
What if you're the one in denial?
>>71795375
IL take for exaple milo yinnapolis he just bellieves what data tells him still he is a roman cathiolic in denial
>>71795108
>it scares me the kind of violent emotional power religion can have over people
It can have the other effect too. Christiany preaches peace.
Now you could say to me that in the past there were some wars because of religion but that wars were for power and resources, like all the wars has been for. Religion was only the mechanism to convice people go to war.
>>71795589
alright
>>71795532
There are a ton of Christian scientists.
The first brain surgeon was a Christian.
Newton, Bacon, so many others all Christians.
Christians have done more for Science than any other group in history.
>>71791015
oh boy another self conscience atheist making sure an anonymous image board knows his opinion and loosely covering his ass by ironically >inb4ing the most common placed comebacks
what do i have to do in my life to get to a point where i feel the need to do this as well?
>>71795408
"He remained a liberal Christian for 15 years but later became an AGNOSTIC ATHEIST after struggling with the philosophical problems of evil and suffering."
He has openly stated that he does not believe in a supernatural, divine being.
>>71795532
I mean of course you're not going to back that claim, because you're full of shit. So I'll refute it for you.
http://phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html
Allow me to say #rekt
>>71795468
I've you've seen a miracle you will understand. If you haven't you wont. Its as simple as that. There is no use trying to convince someone who hasn't because it is simply something they cannot, and will not, comprehend. I know I wouldn't have until I saw it myself.
>>71795666
nice get, satan
>>71795675
Agnostic atheism is agnosticism, not atheism.
I want a full atheist biblical scholar that says Jesus was real.
>>71795496
empathy Is a scape goat for you. because you know I will say you don't have any morals with out the bible. But in the in of the day. You will do what it takes to survive. Yes you have food any time you want it but if you have not ate in 17 days and you have to kill someone. To eat you will kill them. Why you ask? Because if you die there's nothing else so you will do anything to live. Aka you have no morals with out God. I'm not afraid to die I live my life as such really I can't wait to die. You on the other hand have to stay alive because there's nothing you have no morals without God
>>71795630
What the fuck are you talking about you retarded fedora wearing autistic twat?
I'm talking about scientists, not fucking journalists
>>71795635
Anything can be used for good or bad, and I acknowledge that. But I dont believe in god and I don't believe anyone actually knows if theres an afterlife
>>71795053
Sometime before 13.7 billion years ago a sudden expansion of dark energy caused the big bang, this dark energy is also the reason the is explanding right now, pure energy released from the expansion then condesned into quarks, these quarks then started bonding with eachother due to the electromagnetic force forming the components of baryonic matter protons and neutrons, however a third fundamental particle was formed purely by the EM force the electron. Now the Strong Nuclear force centered a single proton while the EM force made it attract a single electron, this in turn created the very first atom the very first element Hydrogen.That is why hydrogen is so plentiful in the universe, eventually the strong force made a neutron link with the proton creating helium and from then on the first five elements of the periodic table were formed.
Now all of this hydrogen and helium began clumping together into giant energized clouds we call these protostars, these protostars eventually became stars and started heating up the universe due to the nuclear weak force with Electromagnetic radiation or what you call light as a byproduct of the nuclear fusion process.The really big stars before dying started compacting matter into much denser forms creating our heavier elements then explode, and this continues on and on and on and on even our solar system was born from the remnants of a supernova.
All of these stars are held in place by an intangible "something" called dark matter that along with dark energy makes up most of the universe, that is why our galaxies are shaped the way they are..
>>71791015
>believing in any religion is stupid and dumb
That may be but, at least it gives me a will to live.
>>71795728
kek
>>71795807
So not believing in a god isn't atheism?
>>71795807
There are more historical records of Jesus of Nazareth than there are of Socrates. No one really disputes that he existed
Islam is science, according to the quran
>>71795728
>miracle
Continue. I am curious.
>>71795662
They didnt know any better.
>>71795512
You sound like a retard who doesnt liike to think.
>>71795927
They didn't know any better?
Yet I highly doubt we would be where we are without them. You are the one who does not know better.
>>71795800
nice get yourself m8y7
>>71795823
now prove it
Atheist here
I guess you could say this informs part of what I "believe"
>gods not real
>if we want to survive, we're on our own
>>71795965
It means from birth they were brainwashed into being christians and had no opposing evidence.
>>71791015
>all these shillings lately
>>71795496
Most people that do not beleve in God turn to go in the end. You are still very young. What to know y they turn to God? They spend years and years trying to disprove God. But at the end they can not. So due to your own theory that you are preaching us tonight they beleve in God and they are the best believer. I'm sure you have not read the bible and yet your on the Internet trying to convence people there is no God. But God will reach out to you
>>71795521
It is, indeed, a claim, not by you, but by the historian. I never doubted the fact that the writing existed, but rather, the validity of the writing. Writing is just writing, and it proves nothing, only empirical evidence proves anything, and I mean that literally.
>>71795999
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/11/16/why-does-dark-energy-make-the-universe-accelerate/
We are right about everything however we just dont know what caused the dark energy expansion it will take time but eventually we will know.
>>71795965
It's like I said, vocal atheists usually suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. That's the only possible explanation for someone saying some of the most important scientists (and between 25-50% of the current ones) "didn't know any better."
>>71795821
>I don't believe anyone actually knows if theres an afterlife
That's the point of "believe" or have faith.
>>71795823
>All of these stars are held in place by an intangible "something" called dark matter that along with dark energy makes up most of the universe, that is why our galaxies are shaped the way they are..
Pretty much right other than this last sentence. Dark matter isn't gravity. Dark matter is just something with mass that doesn't seem to interact with anything (except the Higgs field). Dark energy is something different as well, and it only shares the word "dark" because it's also not directly observable.
>>71795909
I've seen matter behave in ways that physics would not allow.
I was not under the influence of any drug or drowsiness.
There was no one else in the room, or the house for that matter.
And yes, I was scared shitless, and spend the next couple hours trying to come up with an explanation for it, to no avail.
>>71796039
A man chooses to believe in it or not. Not every man believed. Newton wrote prophecies.
>>71795689
OKay sorry i made a mistake but, most siencetist belevie in eveloution http://ncse.com/blog/2013/08/how-many-creationists-science-0014996
here and the majority bare atheist
>>71796156
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/creationism-america-survey_n_5434107.html moer links
>>71796069
God has been disproven you christians are just too mentally retarded to realise it.
>>71796120
Human psychology doesnt work like that, ex muslims still subconsiously act on muslim morality.
>>71796117
I know Dark Matter is not gravity.
>>71795878
Believing there is no God is atheism.
Lack of belief in a god is agnosticism, more accuratley, agnostic atheism.
Believing there is a God is theism.
Lack of believing there isn't a god is agnostic theism.
>>71796118
Come on, quit milking it. Tell me. Don't matter if I don't believe it or not. I know that there are things that we can't see nor explain with our current technology/knowledge.
I am simply curious.
>>71796072
Except to convey any form of empirical evidence you use writing.
Hmmmm. Well go ahead, analyze these documents and show them for what they are. I'm sure none of the Historians that have existed before us haven't tried that. I would actually wonder if any historian alive today would think what you do about this matter.
>believing in a creator
Completely valid. A solid theory that cannot be debunked.
>believing religion
Full retard. Clearly man-made bullshit. A tool that has been used to control people since the first tribes of men.
>>71796210
Well good night Im glad you said God was disproven the thread is over everyone is wrong
>>71795999
Quark-gluon plasma production is being studied right now. If (when) we make it, early universe theory will be validated by physical reproductions of those conditions.
>>71791015
But i most say this thread is great alot of you fell for the b8 so i am happy,
>>71796276
k, keep me posted
I agree. Faith means to believe that something is true without having evidence or a way to know that it is true. Why would you believe that something which cannot be proved or supported by anything other than texts written by primitive desert Jews is true? Believe me, I would be the first to believe in a god if it could be proved. Religion is so smoke and mirrors for this exact reason. I know some dumbasses try to act le edgy smart atheist, but don't discount people like me who genuinely think that there are no gods, spirits, ghosts, magic, supernatural, paranormal, etc. things.
>>71795540
Well anybody who comes to a different conclusion then I have can't seriously expect to have their opinions considered. Clearly they have not seen the depth of evidence that I have seen, or if they have, then they obviously are deficient in their mental facilities. If your opinion doesn't mach my own, then it is objectively wrong, because I am correct in whatever I believe.
*tips mitre*
>>71796210
Strawman and prove it. Also state your point.
>>71796284
I know.
>>71793811
Why is there only one issue of Spider-Man?
There should be a stack of comics taller than a man.
>>71796156
>most siencetist belevie in eveloution
Evolution and religion aren't mutually exclusive. Only nutjobs deny it.
>here and the majority bare atheist
Yes, and that's a sign of anomie. Atheism reinforces that condition, atheism reinforces the breakdown of standards and values, the lack of purpose or ideals.
Degeneracy and widespread atheism go hand in hand. Cultural Marxism spreads atheism and undermines the foundations of society.
>>71791015
>Taking the creation story literally
Everyone knows they are an allegory. Religion answers more questions than science. How did the Big Bang start?
Cant you plebbitards just shut up? You are too cringeworthy with your "AHHHHHH mein bates mein baits eeeekkkksss deeee"
>>71791015
Religion is at worst a set of socially cohesive moral principles and at best a source of motivation. Whether or not it's real or not is irrelevant to its utility as a binding factor for a nation or group of nations
>>71796371
No proof of the biblical god at all. Your hurr durr faith doesnt count as evidence its nothing more than you admitting you need to see a mental hospital.
>>71795823
what caused the expansion? where did the dark energy come from?
>>71796412
watch a documentary i am not explaining that for you
>>71796217
Not quite, lack of belief of god is closer to the definition of atheism (that is, in its barest form). Agnosticism simply refers to knowledge. So an atheist can "know" there is no god, and a theist can "know" there is a god, but an agnostic on either side doesn't claim to "know" but rather, to understand the possibility of either conclusion, whilst believing one or the other.
>>71796455
We dont know yet but we will know, a century ago we though the Milky Way as the entire universe.
>>71796455
what caused god? the thing he is explaining has evidence backing it up
>>71796426
For as much utility and stability religion brings, it brings an equal amount of chaos. It does a fine job of controlling the people when you couple it with a strong political figure, but without that strong political figure, wars ensue.
>>71796455
>>71796412
God, obviously.
That's the answer? When you don't know the answer but can't bare to admit you don't know, you just say it was God, right?
>>71791015
Fedoras BTFO
>>71796345
>the evidence I have seen
Explain.
>objectively wrong
Better have some rock hard evidence that everyone can experience to back this up, or it's just your subjective opinion.
>>71796259
Its really just not that remarkable. A small object in my room struck me, as if someone had thrown it, while I was sitting in my bed on my laptop. That was why I checked the rest of the house to see if anyone was home.
A few days after (youre gonna think this part is bullshit) I went for a run along the estuary near my house to clear my head because that, among other things, had been playing on my mind for some time. I distinctively thought to myself that if God, or some supernatural force, existed, and wanted me to know, it would show itself to me and be more obvious. Literally around the next bend came an old man with a thick white beard, jogging slowly in the opposite direction. He looked up at me and gave me a thumbs up and looked down again and kept on running.
I run along that estuary a couple times a week and I had never seen that man before or since.
>>71796118
Spontaneous hallucinations are not unheard of.
Our brains are ad-hoc masses of chemicals and circuitry, not perfect for perceiving reality.
Which is more believable: a temporary misfiring between neurons, creating a faulty perception; or there is a deity or cosmic force that is intensely interested in you, and ensuring that you believe in it?
>>71796472
Atheism is not short for anti-theism. They're two different things.
God here.
I'm seeing you. I know you live in this island.
Can you stop your shit?
Than you.
>>71796485
you seemed pretty certain earlier
>>71796529
if god exists he is necessarily uncaused
>>71796535
quit jumping the gun britcuck
>>71796635
You are assuming that that one event is the only evidence in favour of a deity or cosmic force. I get where you're coming from, but you cant reduce the argument to such narrow parameters.
>>71796268
Except empirical evidence is repeatable and retestable. You cannot recreate a miracle, unless Jesus recreates it, which is not (as far as we know) possible. And yes, there are historians who doubt things within other historical documents. History is rife with bias and bullshit.
>>71796685
but what is more likely, just an explosion of energy and, etc not going deep into this...
or a complex being that has existed forever?
>>71796535
Scientists aren't sure about everything either, but religion provides more explanations than science.
>>71796604
It is hard to... believe. But interesting.
>>71796797
>religion provides more explanations than science.
Go on.
>>71796640
I never claimed that Atheism and Anti-theism are the same thing. Simply that atheism doesn't claim anything, but rejects claims that are presented to it and that agnosticism refers to knowledge rather than faith.
>>71796852
How does science explain the Big Bang?
An explosion of matter? That's the effect, not the cause. Religion provides the answer to the question: God started that explosion of matter that created the universe.
Can we push for 500 replies? it would break my record 488
>>71796840
Hence why I dont like to explain it in full. It sounds very convoluted I know, but if you arent a believer you can still put it down to pure coincidence. Stranger things have happened. I've tried to put it down to coincidence, but since I actually was there to experience it its much, much harder. I've had other moments of epiphany as well, which helps build the case for a grander explanation.
>>71796793
a complex being that existed forever, simply because the former is impossible.
einstein was right when he said god doesn't play dice with the universe, meaning that reality operates according to specific laws on the macro and micro. there could be no law governing the operation of a philosophical nothing to initiate the big bang because there wasn't anything.
How anything ever happen if there wasn't a first cause?
>>71791015
>2016
>debating about religion
What is freedom of religion?
Kill yourself, gaythiests are worse than Muslims at imposing your religious beliefs on people.
>>71797182
Okay what created god? and the first cause argument is bullshit
>>71796797
Oh, so you'd rather have a (most likely) false answer than no answer at all? I'm sorry, but I cannot agree to that sort of faulty logic.
I always like these threads. Lets keep the discussion going. Anyone wanna try to refute this?
>>71796852
Science accepts that we don't know everything and that we could be wrong about things, and continually refines its body of knowledge. Religion privides many convenient answers which may or may not be true and unquestionably goes with them forever.
>>71797141
>God started that explosion of matter that created the universe.
Chapter and verse?
>>71797184
No one is imposing shit on anyone, just stating that evolution is fact,
Religion provides a purpose for life. You work hard and do well to get in Heaven. What purpose would you have otherwise? Atheists don't want to work and just receive welfare checks and be lazy and watch amine as they tip their fedora in their mom's basement. Religion also provides a basis for morals and reward for doing good. Why should you not steal from someone to get money? You may see it as moral because it benefits you, but objectively it is bad.
>>71797184
>What is freedom of religion?
The freedom to proselytize, for start.
Whether that's for any one religion or against them all.
>>71797239
If we start from scratch, the facts and laws of the natural world (aka science) will always be rediscovered to be the exact same. But, if there was no Bible or Christianity, people would not always (or at all) "rediscover" that there is one god, his son Jesus, the Holy Spirit, etc. Instead, another religion would be invented.
>>71797328
nope You make your own reason for life that simple. is it not amazing though in billions of years, stars and planets formed and some of these planets gave life, And atleast on of the an inteligent won that can question its own exstinces i think thats a good enough reason to live, to learn
>>71797239
Well we can't really trust our minds, this is an ongoing discussion in Western epistemology.
P.S. just because our brains aren't the subject of intelligent design doesn't mean that we cannot reason accurately.
P.P.S I am not an atheist.
>>71797264
The bible implies God created the universe: time and space, and God lives outside of time and space. The book of Genesis is a proverb to explain how God created man with love. No verse in a proverb could explain how the universe was created.
>>71797478
You're assuming the universe isnt deterministic. I think you'll find a lot of the scientific community would disagree with you there
>>71797504
we wuz starts n shit
>>71797504
But what's the reward for learning? What reward can be greater than everlasting life?
>>71797328
>Atheists don't want to work and just receive welfare checks and be lazy and watch amine as they tip their fedora in their mom's basement.
The bias and assumptions. I am a hard-working, independent, right side/conservative atheist.
I don't need an objective reason to live. I like living. I enjoy life, and spending it with others. I don't need an end goal. I enjoy this short and rare time we have for what it is. Out of all the matter in the world, we are fortunate enough to be part of the extremely small percentage that is alive.
>>71797510
Thats the refutation I was looking for. It still isn't completely adequate though. His point still stands, that one who believes in intelligent design CAN trust the thoughts that lead him there.
It is logically sound to say "A being has constructed my mind in such a way that it will come to the conclusion that he exists, therefore I can trust my mind when it comes to the conclusion that such a being exists"
>>71797570
>No verse in a proverb could explain how the universe was created.
Nice dodge.
>>71797660
>What reward can be greater than everlasting life?
Freedom from the punishment that is everlasting life.
>>71796600
Shouldn't you be apologizing and checking that your household meets the minimum diversity requirements?
Take another hit on that bong and see if my post makes more sense.
You need only take my word because it's right and I shouldn't have to do the work of proving my assertions. It's your job, as the person with the wrong beliefs, to correct yourself until you think like I do.
>>71797722
in the universe* I meant
What raging internet atheists fail to understand is that Religion is about morality, not about creation myths. The means by which the earth was made plays an insignificant role in our daily lives. Moral choices, on the other hand, are made every day, and they have long, lingering effects.
So the main purpose that religion plays, is to create decent, hard working and honest human beings, that will form functional families, which is the foundation of any society.
>>71797223
special pleading for an innate property unique to god. whatever hes made out of, if anything, would have to be able to exist without time or matter, because he would necessarily be older than time, because he fucking created it.
why is the first cause bullshit? mechanically, the universe is basically shooting pool... like Laplace's demon.
>>71797660
I learn i got gift of life And i will live my life as long as i can, and most of evidence points out that, my consciousness will be gone, And i am here through billions of years of cosimic evolution and, 2,5 other billion years of evolution on earth, and i came to be
That is amazing to me. way better then some god creating me to follow him and what he want s me to etc
>>71797794
I'm not a liberal and I am strictly against drugs. I don't like your holier than though attitude. You basically said that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong just because you think you are correct.
>>71797769
It wasn't a dodge. I said Genesis wasn't a literal definition of how the world was created. It meant God created the universe and with what knowledge we have today we can infer what I said
>Freedom from the punishment that is everlasting life
Woah dude. Be careful with that edge.
>>71797972
>Woah dude. Be careful with that edge.
Not half as hot as hell.
>>71797899
God doesn't force you to follow him. That's why he gave us free will. Eternal life is not just regular life forever. It is paradise, which is much better than having to pay bills. And yes, that evolution did happen, but at the start of it all, there is God.
>>71797843
Not trying to strawman, but are you claiming that atheists don't have morality? Or am I completely missing the point? Thanks.
And morality is a human thing. Not religious. It makes actual sense that we don't kill each other. In fact I admire religion in some facets because they try to remind people of that logical connection between morality and humanity. The golden rule is beautiful, and I can appreciate it even if I don't believe the rest of the bible.
>>71798153
Well maybe, but there is no evidence for it.. so I will not believe it
>>71797745
Have you read Descartes's Meditations? Basically the whole treatise is about what we're talking about. I highly recommend it.
I don't think you can necessarily trust that your thoughts can lead to the truth if your brain is of intelligent design. Descartes mentions his "Evil Demon" thought experiment; suppose that the intelligent designer is an evil one who tricks your mind. In that case we cannot trust that our thoughts aren't deceiving us. So I think in order to prove that intelligent design entails a reputable thought processing system you'd have to prove that God is a good God and not an "Evil Demon." If I recall correctly, Descartes argues that this is the case, but I haven't read the Meditations in a while so he could just use an appeal to intuition type argument.
Also now that I think about it, Descartes thinks our logical systems are reputable by the "light of pure reason" and I think he uses his Evil Demon thought experiment to prove how our senses are not to be trusted, and then ends with the appeal to intuition that God is a good God, so we should be able to trust them. However I don't remember being swayed too much by his "light of pure reason" argument, so I think at the time when I studied this work I felt that an Evil Demon could still give you a faulty thinking system. Like I said it has been a while since I've read it.
If you have anything to add to this I would welcome it.
>>71798153
Okay I think this is worth a mention, why cant most christians and atheist argue more like me and him are doing? mo childish insults etc just a nice philosophical discussion
>>71797946
If I'm so wrong, then why is my attitude so popular? The pervasiveness of my beliefs show it's truth value. This cannot be denied because I will deny any rebuttal. Your arguments fail to sway me, therefore your argument is of no merit.
>>71798246
What about all the accounts of Jesus existing, his miracles happening, and subsequent apparitions?
I'm totally fine with Science but I happen to know that any proposed evolutionary jump to an entirely different creature is impossible considering the inbetween stages of evolution don't exist in any fossils and such a large genetic gap can't biologically be crossed naturally or artificially due to the genetic limitations of every creature on earth.
I also happen to know that while all you athiest "scientists" believe that the world came from the big bang that as a mathematician there exist a such thing as 0% chance. The physics of an explosion are such that the components of said explosion would never in an infinite number of years cause any of the pieces to collide with eachother.
But scientists don't give a shit whether or not a theory is correct. They just need to toss the community a clay pot fragment from an archaeological expedition and call it a skull piece of an ancient human for that sweet sweet government grant money and all the fame that comes with a shocking discovery.
I'm a Christian because I believe there are things that can't be explained by science (even math has a proof that there can't be a proof for everything) and that Science is Gods way of saying "look at how awesome of a thing I made"
>>71797899
>i got gift of life
>i will live my life as long as i can
>AS LONG AS I CAN
This
Exactly this is what is wrong with mainstream atheism that is so popular in European countries. Nothing is more sacred or more important than their miserable lives.
Atheists are inherently hedonistics, they will seek for pleasure at any cost, and what is more pleasant than to be alive?
This is why these faggots willingly will take a BBC up the ass as long as it allows them to stay alive for another 5 minutes. This is why if they are given the choice to fight an invader and protect their degenerate hedonistic ways of life, they'll surrender immediately, because why risking your life? What could be more pleasant and precious than that? Your family, your heritage? innocent children perhaps? Nah fuck them, as long as you can stay alive.
Disgraceful scum, the day when you'll hang next to the rest of traitors and barbarians will come soon.
>>71798497
Well in levant at the time, there were a bunch of roman scholars there, that never mentioned jesus also, if Jesus existed he was not some god/prophet whatever,,,
>>71798595
see you are a retard. Im no fan of middle easterners or africans, so sorry,
you are just strawmaning me making shit up
>>71791015
>I say religion is stupid therefore it is
Didn't know you were all knowing, you dumbass.
>>71798652
what, like tacitus?
>>71798389
I find it disheartening that the farthest humanity has gotten on philosophical grounds is Descartes cogito ergo sum. As far as anyone solidly prove, the self exists.
>>71798595
>Disgraceful scum, the day when you'll hang next to the rest of traitors and barbarians will come soon.
Doesn't sound very Christian tbqh.
>>71791015
There is plenty of evidence for god, you just refuse to see it. I have felt god and I was changed. I was an athiest last year but since than I have changed. He is in everything, everywhere. When you close your eyes, push away your ego, and attachment to the physcial, what do you feel? There is something there. And that is god.
