Who's right?
>>71769501
Neither
>>71769501
Bernie
>>71769501
Paul is always right.
>>71769891
>libertarians in charge of having a flag that wasn't irrelevant in WW2
>>71769501
Paul is, but his hyperbole makes his argument sound retarded.
He simply should have pointed out that it increases the the amount of money every hard working citizen, under threat of imprisonment, has to give to the government.
>>71769501
In this case Bernie is literally and technically wrong. "Healthcare is a right", uh not in the U.S., not right now anyways, you are wrong, Bernie. Healthcare in the U.S. as of 2016 is not a universal right. Your statement is incorrect.
/POL/ B T F O!!!!
http://thedailybanter.com/2015/04/bernie-sanders-has-been-right-on-just-about-everything/
>>71769501
>having a right to a service provided by someone else
yeah if you think that makes sense you're an idiot
unless you believe in forcing people to deliver said service, which means you believe in communism, which means you're an idiot because communism is a massive failure and thats undebatable
enjoy my run on sentence
>>71769501
Stupid shit like this is why no one takes Rand Paul seriously.
>>71770264
>He's for free college instead of our current trillion-dollar student debt. In Europe, this idea has long since gone mainstream.
>In Europe, this idea has long since gone mainstream
>Mainstream
>Europe
Importing mudslimes to rape your country's women and commit acts of terrorism is also popular in Europe
>>71770434
>yeah if you think that makes sense you're an idiot
if you think this, you're an idiot
>which means you believe in communism
>libertarians in charge of not being incorrect on every single issue
>>71769756
Because a governments' sole purpose is to stay in power? Why would they risk things that challenge that power?
>>71769501
Rand obviously. Not really for the reason he says, but it isn't possible to have good healthcare and government provided "free" healthcare at the same time, it's an oxymoron
Paul's example is dumb. Do I, or anyone, have the right to conscript gun manufacturers to make guns because of the 2nd?
No. His example is dumb.
>>71770445
nothing paul said is "stupid shit"
you're a fucking idiot
read a history book
>>71770521
That doesn't mean it's a mainstream policy in europe. Very few countries still have free college, because of greedy rich people.
>lrn2knowthingsaboutEurope
also,
>The US
>less cucked than Europe
kek
>>71770565
>ignores the content of the article
>>71770650
That was an excerpt from the actual article you dense motherfucker
>>71770523
have you read a history book? ever?
fuck yourself
how old are you?
12?
i wish you could have lived in a country that made promises like that, such as china during the great leap forward or any other example and enjoyed the fruits of that
you would be living in hell
>>71770597
you have a right to buy guns (which you don't) is different from, you have a right to receive guns (which you also don't). dumbass
>>71769501
healthcare is not a right
canadian/british doctors are free to quit their jobs if they don't pay enough
they're both retards here
>>71769501
Health care is a right, thats true, but not under the system you have now. Not until you get ride of the niggers.
>>71769501
>ITT /pol/ can't grasp the concept of a right compared to a privilege.
>>71770705
How would you know? Are you that Canadian?
>right wing logic
>>71770730
Yes, several. I am undergrad at UPenn for history.
>>71770774
The main retard here is you, you corporate cocksucker.
>>71770523
>forcing someone to provide a service to another person is not communism
kill yourself
how do people like you even exist?
>>71770735
This. Rand is pointing up that the genius of our system is negative rights rather than a know-it-all imposing a procrustean order.
>>71769501
Rand isn't wrong, but he's framing it in a way that just sounds stupid. I'm not really sure what to call it. What he's suggesting is both figuratively true and literally true, but it sounds too much like hyperbole.
There's just something about the way he framed it that sounds larger than life even if it isn't. He'd be better off using an analogy that sounds more mundane. The reaction is something like
>Oh, come on! No one is going to knock down your door and arrest you! That's just stupid, who would think that?
No one could ever refute this but they will happily dismiss it due to its severity.
>>71770874
>The main retard here is you, you corporate cocksucker.
the free market is more damaging to corporatism and croney capitalism than socialism is
>>71770813
Health care is a "right" in some countries, not in all countries. A "right" is just something that a government arbitrarily decides to guarantee for you. If it's not written into your country's laws, then it's not your right.
>>71770874
Canadian? Right wing logic? What the fuck are you talking about
>>71770884
>thinks anything that their retarded version of Maggie "bitch" Thatcher doesn't approve of is literally communism
have you ever even looked up the definition of communism? dumbass
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=communism
When the NHS started in Britain, it was asked "how did you get the doctors to agree? " the reply was "we stuffed their mouths full of gold". There will be no conscription they will be paid handsomely.
>>71770128
People no longer think of it this way. It's all "oh yea but I mean that's not how it really is though"
>>71770735
I have the right to bear arms (guns).
Using Paul's logical... I don't have any guns, so I can go and and enslave gun manufacturers and everyone else involved in their creation to get one. That's how Paul is describing "rights."
And he is wrong. It's a dumb argument.
Paul is correct. It's not even a debatable thing, it's a basic axiom that you don't have the right to someone else's services.
>Is healthcare a basic human right?
Obviously not. No one could possibly argue that it is.
>Should the government provide healthcare
Sure, I don't see the problem with this. Assuming we got rid of the niggers and Mexicans who leech the system, I'd happily pay taxes for my countrymen (and myself should I need it).
>>71770597
No, your example is dumb. The 2nd gives you the right to bear arms, not the right to arms. You can own guns but you are not entitled to them.
>>71770968
>corporatism
what you think this word means is very different from
>a system in which the rich people (corporations) steal from the poor people
which is lolbertardianism
>>71770999
wasted trips
>>71771093
You don't have either of those rights, you fucking retard
>>71771093
It's not really the same thing. You have the right to own guns, not to receive guns. You will not, using a real world example, be fined by the federal government for failing to purchase a gun.
>>71769756
This, why don't oil companies campaign against fossil fuels? Because it's in direct conflict with their business, so why would a government want to reduce its power lol.
>>71771138
>No, your example is dumb. The 2nd gives you the right to bear arms, not the right to arms. You can own guns but you are not entitled to them.
it's the same difference as the right to healthcare and the right to receive healthcare
if paul's argument was correct then doctors in the NHS could not quit their jobs. it's retarded.
no one has the right to other people's skilled labor.
anyways the ER cannot turn you away, so i don't understand these bernie faggots at all. They just want FREEEE healthcare because they don't want to take personal responisibility.
>>71770874
you're a fucking tool
i bet you think you're some special snowflake to hold the views you hold or that you're just more innovative and can run a communist system better than before
IT NEVER FUCKING WORKS YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT
I DONT CARE HOW MANY OLD FUCKING SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST PROFESSORS WHO YOU JERK OFF WITH CLAIM THIS BULLSHIT ALL DAY WHILE THEY HAVE TENURE AND GET PAID 6 FIGURES
as a matter of fact why dont you move to china or north korea or just go to canada or whatever where you can wait on some bureaucrat to allow you to receive care (hopefully before you die), which will be by a shitty doctor who doesn't really care that much and has no real connection to you/doesnt get paid enough to care/be skilled
fuck you faggot
>>71770523
>Muh speshul brand of communism
>>71771138
>Obviously not. No one could possibly argue that it is.
I can. It is, faggot. Everyone has a right to it because it's a basic necessity. It's like you WANT poor people to die in the streets. Not even Trump agrees with you.
>Sure, I don't see the problem with this. Assuming we got rid of the niggers and Mexicans who leech the system, I'd happily pay taxes for my countrymen (and myself should I need it).
that's not how universality/equality works you blistering retard
>>71771151
>wasted trips
distraction and non-argument, you're an idiot. Give this whole discussion thing a rest and try again in 20 years when you've (hopefully) finally held down a steady job and made something of yourself instead of fucking around on reddit all the time
>>71771007
yeah you have no argument
kill yourself
>>71769501
The midget is right, notice how Bernie starts off with "I believe".
>>71771151
>a system in which the rich people (corporations) steal from the poor people
no that's literally the result of corporatism and crony capitalism. it's also coincidentally the result of most attempts at big government.
>>71771228
You just cucked yourself nigger.
There are literally no laws barring you from purchasing healthcare. You stupid faggot.
>>71770874
you are literally what is wrong with the world
>>71771285
>you're a fucking tool
ad hominem. Not an argument
>i bet you think you're some special snowflake to hold the views you hold or that you're just more innovative and can run a communist system better than before
I don't advocate for communism, you just don't even know what communism is, dipshit.
>RICH AND SMART PEOPLE ARE WRONG!
isn't that antithetical to your whole, "le free market"?
>as a matter of fact why dont you move to china or north korea or just go to canada or whatever where you can wait on some bureaucrat to allow you to receive care (hopefully before you die), which will be by a shitty doctor who doesn't really care that much and has no real connection to you/doesnt get paid enough to care/be skilled
not an argument
>fuck you faggot
not an argument
>>71771373
you god damn autist. the ability to purchase healthcare is a privilege. government sponsored healthcare for all citizens is neither a right nor a privilege and this is exactly what bernie means when he says "healthcare is a right".
>>71770999
>Health care is a "right" in some countries, not in all countries. A "right" is just something that a government arbitrarily decides to guarantee for you. If it's not written into your country's laws, then it's not your right.
That's not necessarily true in the American perspective.
http://famguardian.org/subjects/politics/thomasjefferson/jeff0100.htm
>>71771475
you're a joke
get a job
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
>Slavery
What a massive fucking jump. This is like how leftists argue. Disgraceful.
>>71771475
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>>71771026
That's where life-endingly inferior Indian doctors come in.
So replace "free healthcare" with "tax" in Rand's rant and you have a guy who is complaining because measures will be taken against him if he fails to contribute his part to society. "Implied threat of force" kek, what else is new? Is this guy a republican for real?
>>71771475
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
at least pajeet can give you an operation for cheap
The one where I don't have to kill you for treading on me.
>>71771093
You have the right to possess firearms if you so wish. You do not have a right to firearms.
The analogue of a right to bear arms, would be a right to access healthcare - which everybody has anyway. Not a right to get healthcare.
>>71771213
My right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Forcing me to spend money that I may or may not have to bear them is infringement.
Thus, Paul says I can conscript manufacturers to make me guns to bear so there's no infringement.
Again, that's how Paul is stating how rights. But that's not how rights work, he's made a poor argument.
Now just switch "right to bear arms shall not be infringed" to "right to healthcare" and his argument falls apart.
>>71771511
>when bernie says that healthcare is a right, he means that healthcare isn't a right
wew lad
>>71771475
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>>71769501
Rand Paul used poor word choices but his point isn't exactly wrong.
>>71771511
you can't uncuck yourself, stop trying.
Procuring firearms is a Right, procuring healthcare is not even a privilege because there is no law against procuring health care. It's just another available service that hardworking people and scientists have developed. TO BE a doctor is certainly a privilege that one must earn. other than that you have failed by your own logic.
>>71771475
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
>>71769501
Paul is more right than Bernie but he could have worded it in a better way though I accept that he was going for shock value to get his point across quickly with little though on the people listening since we're brainwashed to automatically think negatively on something when we hear key words like "slavery".
>>71771323
>ignores the definition of communism
>proceeds to call EVERYTHING HE DISAGREES WITH BECAUSE MUH FREEDUMBS RON PAUL xddddXDDDDDD "communism"
I do have an argument: you are a retard.
>>71771322
I do have a steady job, actually, I tutor children in history and math. I try to slip in my politics when I can, too, so retards like you don't end up spoiling their perfectly good brains.
Also, not an argument.
>>71771356
not an argument
>>71771428
not an argument
>>71771547
>>71771579
>>71771631
>autistic right-wing rage
kek. I bet you think the NHS should be privatized.
Rand has a retarded rebuttal because bernie presents a retarded argument. It's like soeaking to children, in that you have to talk at their level. Rand for VP
>>71771475
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
>>71771547
>Get a job
Yeah no fucking joke
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/
>>71771475 AND ALL OTHER BERNIEFAGS BTFO
>>71771475
>college professors
>intelligent
nothing screams smart like blindly ignoring biology and our obsevable universe
>gender, sexuality, and race are social constructs but the concepts we invent on a whim are irrefutable fact
you've been brainwashed. go walk around poor neighborhoods and talk to people, go volunteer at places, or get a job, then you might understand what makes the wheel of society spin
>>71771698
jesus fucking christ you literally have autism.
> government sponsored healthcare for all citizens is neither a right nor a privilege and this is exactly what bernie means when he says "healthcare is a right".
what I meant by that, you fucking literal autist, is that I don't think government sponsored healthcare is a privilege or a right in the way that bernie asserts it is. jesus christ.
>>71771781
the only one who's being BTFO here is this guy >>71771766
lolbertards
>>71771671
Again, it's not the "right to purchase healthcare." It's the "right to receive healthcare." They are saying you must receive guns and if you fail, a crime has been committed.
>>71769501
Healthcare is objectively not a right, so at Minimum Berne is wrong.
>>71771093
You're misinterpreting his argument. His analogy works because he's discrediting Sanders' idea of rights by pointing out the implications. Sanders' view is absurd because we don't have that same treatment when it comes to the right to bear arms. No one owes you anything. No one has to provide you shit. The only right is that you are free to pursue it, and no one take away what guns you already have
>>71770264
>real progressive
>progressive meaning anti white anti christian
okay bro
>>71771738
>autistic right-wing rage
>kek. I bet you think the NHS should be privatized.
yeah thats what i though
take away incentive and enjoy shit everywhere
basic economics, basic human behavior
i guess you missed that class
just provided tons of links to you
why dont you move there faggot?
thats what i thought
>>71771738
>i brainwash children before they can observe the world themselves and form their own, indepentent views
liberals everyone
Rand, and this is a perfect example of why I get annoyed when morons try to say that Republicans and Democrats have swapped beliefs since the Civil War. Democrats still support slavery, it's just a different kind of slavery.
>>71771724
procuring firearms is not a right. the right is the ability to procure firearms. procuring healthcare is a privilege that is provided by a functioning capitalist society.
>>71769501
>With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to public transportation, you have realize what that implies. It’s not an abstraction. I’m a CTA Train Driver. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery. It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the mechanics at my train depo, the person who cleans my passenger cars out, the assistants who do work in the offices, the ticketing agents.
See how autistic this sounds?
>>71771228
>it's the same difference
Do you not understand the basic precepts of logic?
>You have the right to buy guns where they exist
>You are entitled to weapons, not owning them is an infringement
These are literally two different things.
>>71771304
>I can
No you can't you dumb faggot. It's like arguing for a square circle.
>that's not how universality/equality
I don't believe your IQ is greater than your age.
>>71771831
>getting this angry over an internet post
>on a chinese cartoon board
But I'm the autist.
>>71771844
>lolbertards
Nice le meme! You forgot Drumpf though, also ITS 2016 AND YOU STILL DONT BELIEVE IN X Y OR Z
Reddit is the new Fox News. Except instead of being brainwashed by a single news outlet, you're being brainwashed by the hivemind community.
>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
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WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
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>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
PURE SHIT
>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
PURE SHIT
>WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
WHY DONT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE LINKS OF THE DOCTOR SHORTAGE
>NHS IS SHIT
PURE SHIT
>>71769756
libertarianism is the ideal opposite of communism. no country has ever "truly tried" actual communism and libertarianism. It's a question of degrees.
>>71771967
>These are literally two different things.
right, and paul is interpreting it as the wrong thing because his argument is wrong.
>>71771967
answer this question: what brand of minority are you? there is zero chance a white person as stupid as you would get into an ivy.
you're going to lie and say you're white, and you won't post a pic, thus proving my assertion that you are, indeed, the abortion-like product of affirmative action.
>>71769501
Rand is right in the abstract, no question.
>PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
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>>71771831
>conservatards/conservashits/kkkonservatives in charge of understanding the English language
KEK
>>71771918
>basic economics
if anything, this is an argument AGAINST lolbertardianists. The rest of the stuff is not an argument.
>>71771920
>I want to brainwash children, but I'm too busy jerking off to anime and posting on 4chan!
I might show them this thread just for them to see how stupid right-wingers and "lolbertarians" are (I tutor some HS students)
>>71771967
>No you can't you dumb faggot. It's like arguing for a square circle.
No it's not you retard. Square circles don't fucking exist, whereas MY right (EVERYONE'S right) to free healthcare DOES exist. faggot seriously this is basic logic
>I don't believe your IQ is greater than your age.
not an argument
>>71772069
Fox News is still Fox News, actually, and you should stop watching it.
>>71772117
>>71772151
>autistic rage
not an argument
>>71770774
all the british doctors quit on the same day
how are you going to satisfy my RIGHT to free healthcare
>>71772052
you're right. we're both autists.
>PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
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>>71769501
Bernie is right. This kind of system can work you know. See my country
>>71770523
Not an argument
>>71771950
But public transportation ISN'T a right. It is a privilege granted by local governments funded through taxes. Just because it's already provided for you by the government doesn't suddenly make it a right.
>>71772240
that's the government's problem, not the doctors. if the government decides to turn guns on doctors then it's a tyrannical government.
>>71772169
OK I've been trolling this whole time and want to stop trolling for just a second to say this is plainly retarded.
To compare libertarianism, which actually did exist, and is a philosophy only of government, with Communism, which never truly existed, and is a philosophy both of government and of basic economics is one of the poorer memes I hear frequently on this board.
>>71772308
An argument.
Oh wait, no, it's not.
>>71769501
>Who's right?
This specious argument is why The Manlet will always have ZERO chance at the Presidency.
>>71772229
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
HOW ABOUT THESE LINKS YOU FUCKING BRAINDEAD TOOLBAG
NHS IS SHIT
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
>>71769501
Rand Paul is obviously right.
Doesn't matter though, even when socialists correctly identify a problem, their solution always makes it worse.
>>71772229
reddit has literally warped your brain
you are beyond saving
you hivemind fucks can't think for yourself
also, "fox news" isn't a valid insult anymore, no one watches it except for your parents who you're trying to get back at by going ultra-leftist because they told you it was gay to like other boys
>>71771853
>you must receive guns and if you fail, a crime has been committed
Can you not go to court if you are denied a license/permit in an adequate amount of time? In NH they have to give it to you within a certain amount of time without due cause for denial.
It would be the same for healthcare.
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>>71771946
you are failing once again, even when you are trying to use semantics. A Right is something unaleinable, endowed by your Creator, and privilege is something the government grants as an exception to a standing law.
if healthcare procurement were a privilege, there would be a law that only certain people could get it, or you would need to register with the state, etc,etc. You can walk into any ER right now and get "free" service. that is a privilege, but going to a surgeon and getting your dick enlarged is a service. like most other services, it costs money. its like you saying Lawn care is a right. you demand your lawn stay green and cut every week.
no one would take you serious. and we don't with healthcare either.
I know it's un-American to say this but I think we fucked up in our founding documents by not linking rights and responsibility. I don't mean we should have Robert Heinlein style citizenship requirements but that rights for things we demand the government provide should come with responsibilities for us to the nation. So if there is a "right" to government funded healthcare, then we each as individuals have a responsibility to our fellow countrymen to treat our bodies with respect. Drinking grape soda and eating Twinkies all day is not treating your body with respect and you're pushing responsibility for your health off onto society. If you don't take responsibility for your body, why should you have a right to society funded healthcare?
>>71772491
>license
>gun
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
NHS IS SO GREAT THE DOCTORS ARE LEAVING LEL
LEL
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>>71772470
>literally
millennial spotted
>>71772413
Communism has been put into practise many times and we all know the result
I understand where Rand was going with it but he totally fucked up mentioning slavery.
2015 LINKS TO DISMANTLE THE BRAINDEAD LEFTISTS CLAIMING UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IS GREAT
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
>>71769501
His aid even thinks his argument is stupid.
>>71772576
OK, I knew lolbertards were autistic, but this is just too much
>>71772229
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/03/24/millennials-like-socialism-until-they-get-jobs/
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
>GET A FUCKING JOB
GET A FUCKING JOB
REFUTE THESE FACTS
PLEASE REFUTE THE FACTS
ILL WAIT
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
>>71770521
say it with me folks
"non-sequitur"
>>71772656
No, it has never been achieved. There have ALWAYS been classes (even under Stalin), and there always will be.
>>71772536
this is just a misunderstanding over the meaning of privilege. that's not the way I meant to use the word.
>>71772673
Please just call them lolbertarians. Your nickname for them is reduced the point where it's not even clear who you are talking about.
>>71772673
not an argument :^)
>>71772673
GREAT ARGUMENT
WOULD YOU LIKE TO REFUTE THESE FACTS?
GO GET PAJEET TO CUT YOU OPEN LEL
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>>71771093
The proper comparison would be the govt should subsidize guns for every citizen to own.
>>71772229
you just blindly ignore all the evidence we post, and dismiss arguments and assertions made as "not arguments."
in your mind, conservatism and capitalism are bad by the natural, mathematical order of the universe, in the same way that 2 + 2 = 4.
you are the opposite of the word liberal, you are incredibly closeminded and authoritarian. this belief system is destroying the west, and when i'm shitposting from a south american or eastern european IP in 20 years laughing at the South Africa-like united states with incredibly high crime rates and population of impoverished people, maybe it will sink in. but you'll somehow convince yourself that your dystopian nightmare is "superior" to my comfy, christian, capitalist nation.
>>71772740
not an argument.
>>71769501
Rand should be right, but he completely fucked up his delivery. He started autistic, and then began back peddling.
The point is that there is no right to health care. It is not in the Constitution. And if it was, then the government would only have the authority to protect you from illness caused by the government, which doesn't make much sense.
Bernie's statement suggests a key misunderstanding of our rights. He probably thinks that the 1st Amendment applies to other Americans instead of applying to the government.
>>71772537
Your only error is that they did: thus "only white male PROPERTY OWNERS." Establishing yourself was a proof of responsibility. The "white male" stipulation was (by their logic) an intellectual criterion.
>>71772671
YOU JUST KNOW
>>71772825
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
PLS PAJEET
WASH YOUR HANDS
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/607398/Junior-doctor-exodus-NHS-breaking-point-staff-shortages-three-quarters-hospitals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3021849/Number-foreign-GPs-working-NHS-increases-decade-continue-rise-shortage-doctors.html
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/-sp-nhs-hires-3000-foreign-doctors-staff-shortage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11517019/One-in-3-trainee-GP-posts-are-empty-amid-warnings-of-crisis-shortage.html
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11883559/A-third-of-AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31550423
NHS IS SO GREAT
PAJEET IS HERE TO CUT YOU OPEN
LEL
>>71772824
>in your mind, conservatism and capitalism are bad by the natural, mathematical order of the universe, in the same way that 2 + 2 = 4.
It's not just my mind, it's literally every sane and rational white person.
>you just blindly ignore all the evidence we post, and dismiss arguments and assertions made as "not arguments."
not an argument.
>>71772743
say it with me folks
"obviously satire and not a real claim"
reddit cucks are the dumbest cucks on the internet
>>71772751
(you guys are arguing past each other)
Has Rand ever heard of the right to an attorney?
>>71771093
Do you know what positive and negative rights are?
>>71771865
No, Paul is incorrectly stating how rights work to disfavor how a right to healthcare would work.
>No one owes you anything. No one has to provide you shit.
It literally says "shall not be infringed" which is extremely vague and supports my silly assertion that anything that gets in my way of bearing arms is taking away my rights and illegal.
And again, I'm not saying that's how it is or ahould be, but Paul is implicating that a right to healthcare would be like that, making it a silly weak argument that falls apart.
It's a dumb argument, surely he has a better one?
>>71772950
have you ever heard of the right to less than 100% retarded?
>>71770650
>>ignores the content of the article
>salon
>content
so many people falling for this
>>71773004
not an argument
>>71769501
Sanders and it's not even close.
>>71772950
ahaha rekt
>>71770068
What the fuck are you talking about?
What does it matter that the Belgian flag was irrelevant in WW2?
Their flag is literally important now and has been throughout the entire history.
My sheepfucker non-country has about as much cultural & historical value as Belgium.
>>71773034
not an argument
>>71770521
Student debt is voluntary. If you didn't agree to it they wouldn't lend you the money. It's a non-issue to bait retard millenials who paid the minimum balance every month and couldn't get a real degree anyway.
>>71772169
>no country has ever "truly tried" actual communism
Of course they didn't.
How can you try something that's at most a vague description of an ideal with no explanation of how it would function?
Communism is nothing more than a guy lying on the grass after doing weed looking at the sky with his equally stoned buddy and then suddenly asks "wouldn't it be great if we had a a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state"
not an argument
>>71773034
you've not argued anything in any of your posts
when someone tries to approach you with an article in opposition to your own you do things like>>71771738
stop shitposting
also why is my flag Brit if I'm in Dublin?
>>71770264
>The Daily Banter
>>71773108
not an argument
>>71772659
Republican politicians are terrible at communicating the point they're trying to make. It somehow sounds good in their head but comes out potato. That's why Republicans love Ronald Reagan so much. He wasn't so much a great president but he was a great communicator. He was able to express his vision for the country in a manner that most people responded to.
Then you had HW Bush babbling about a thousand points of light and his potatoe VP picking fights with television characters.
>>71770521
>In Europe, this idea has long since gone mainstream.
*because it's easy to give gibs when NATO locks the door and guards you at night.
>>71772950
Yeah but you are not forced to have an attourney. Youd be forced to pay more taxes to cover universal healthcare.
I suppose it could be argued that you are already paying taxes to get a state funded lawyer anyways though.
>>71769756
>salon hates libertarianism
brb, changing political party
>>71773414
So it's only bad until you're used to it? Like anal?
>>71772834
He obviously talks about it as a "human right" or "natural right" or something, not in the context of the constitution. Not saying it is true, just that your argument is retarded.
Also: Pauls argument is equally stupid. It's a what if scenario that will never happen and you can apply it to almost everything. What if no one wants to be a judge or a lawyer? Can the government force someone to be my lawyer? etc.
>>71769756
Medieval Iceland. Lasted 300 years.
On modern times, we could say Liechtenstein and Hong Kong are fairly libertarian, in regards to free-market policies and respect for private property rights. Liberland is a libertarian project being tried between Serbia and Croatia. If I did some real research, I could find more similar projects.
Try again, you socialist tard. Just because "nobody" is doing it, doesn't mean you have debunked the libertarian/ancap moral arguments.
>>71769501
Rand is right. You know what comes with healthcare? Commies like Bernie forcing doctors to work harder for less. Like Rand said, it's slavery.
We have a law in this country where you have to treat a dying person even if he can't afford said treatment. The cost just gets passed on to someone who can afford it.
Ever since that law was passed, and because it will certainly never be repealed, this entire debate became irrelevant. We've decided that health care is a right and have just come up with a million rules to shift the costs and blame for an ultimately socialized system around.
>>71773481
just trying to play devils advocate and understand both sides of the debate.
You lolbertardians make me laugh. You're all just stupid RethugliKKKan CUNTservatives. Racist backwards pieces of shit that have no place in the 21st century.
The future, and indeed right now, belongs to those who embrace tolerance, equality, socialism, universal health care, a liveable wage, and free tuition.
This is the future. Get over it. You are all an irrelevant breed that is dying out and almost dead. Equality for everyone everywhere is the future.
Pic related: me, supporting America's next president.
>>71769756
>Japan, ((((((((((KARL MARX))))))))))), Libertarianism
Kek, it's like our version of """"""""mexican intellectuals""""""""""
>>71769756
To be fair, you could say the same to scientists
"If your theory is so great, then how come nobody had thought of it yet"
>>71773660
2/10 don't make it so obvious fampai
>>71772992
I think there might be a bit of miscommunication between us. I don't think Paul's statement is an extrapolation of his own views on rights. I think Paul's statement is a deliberate extrapolation on what he thinks Sanders' views on rights are and pointing out the flaws by building on the idea.
By coming to these implications, he's essentially saying to Sanders "that's not how rights really work"
I think you and I both agree on what constitutes a right.
>>71773660
That's you? Holy shit kill yourself
>>71769756
>why hasn't any country anywhere in the world ever tried it?
They did. In America. 240 years ago. It only lasted 22 years, but it was tried.
The flaw in Rand's argument is simple, it's not a violation of anyone's rights to stay home. It would be a violation of his rights to force him to work. In this case, the right to healthcare is like a promise by the government to its citizens to provide healthcare. If the government cannot then entice enough doctors and other staff to deliver that healthcare, it's the government that has violated the new right of the people.
Basically, describing as a right the interaction between government and citizenry, where the latter allows taxation for the promise of free healthcare from the former, is a bad idea. But then when people play so fast and loose with the definition of "right", it's bound to happen.
>>71769501
>that the system CAN offer
Paul's response and Bernie's would be compatible. The system can't offer something that isn't available and it would be a false dichotomy to suggest that we interpret "can offer" as forced to offer.
The larger problem imo with plans like Bernie's is, usually these kinds of plans make available funds for the payment of those who can't afford the cost. Which, fine, I don't think welfare is inherently a bad idea and has been shown to be a net public gain by not allowing developed resources (read:wage slaves) to die preventable deaths. The problem arises when the government promises to pay for things and private institutions are set up to benefit from those payments, as they will charge the maximum competitive amount they can get away with.
Like giving a class of school children an unchecked credit card to go purchase school supplies, maybe 25/30 of them spend $5 on a notebook and a few pencils, but the other 5 kids end up buying a bunch of frivolous shit and the store has no interest in stopping them.
Although, even if there's a cap placed on how much each person can spend, sometimes the store realizes that the kids have no concept of the costs of the items and charge them hugely inflated prices. (Like military contracts)
>>71771093
You have the right to Bear arms, not the right to free arms. Bernie is right that people have a right to healthcare, he's just a moron who thinks it should be free. Your example is bullshit
>>71772491
>>71772491
If you don't live in New Hampshire, don't fucking talk about shit you know nothing about.
We don't need licenses to own guns. We only need a license to CC, and that comes with $10 to your local PD and 4 days of waiting.
I have a right to have sex. when is the government going to start giving me sex?
>>71769501
people have the right to a lawyer in court, I guess that means lawyers are forcefully pulled from their homes too
>>71770565
Leaf making an intelligent post.
For all the fun and games, we shouldn't forget that a government's main concern is to govern.
good thread guys, I'm glad I could harvest all those (you)s
>if you couldn't tell until now, I was trolling
>>71769501
Neither, since one is a kike and the other is a kike puppet traitor
>>71772950
The amendment starts with "In all criminal prosecutions". So if they can't find an attorney there just won't be a prosecution.
In the case of healthcare if you can't find a doctor then you can't provide the service, so you'll need to force someone else to provide your "right".
Services can't be rights. You can only have rights that defend your freedom, and you can only have freedom from things, never to them.
