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In the global struggle for the power the West has already lost. USA and its allies still struggle, try to use old tricks in a situation which does not follow the old canons anymore. Train has already left the station, well has gone dry and all the oars fallen from the boat.
It was the western arrogance which lead into the trap. The West, selfsatisfied on its own exellence, believed that it could exploit China and India like it used to do. The West saw these countries as cheap labor camps, ruled by stupid communists and bare footed starving gurus who would keep on producing western consumer goods for western markets till the end of days under the watchful eyes of the western capital and military power.
That was the western arrogance which was lead by the banksters, big business, men like George Soros whose ideas and visions are from the previous century and based on 19the century set up of the world. Anyone with eyes, ears and half a brain has seen that these dying dinosaurs and their followers ruined the west and its power base decades ago with their agendas and ideas far removed from the realities of the life and world.
While the western arrogant class played its silly monopoly money games and cheated its own, these developing nations built their power base. They built their own alliance, their own economies, and their own monetary system, all of which are disconnected from the western one. There are still those in the west who fool themselves and keep up the faith by believing that this new world super power is somehow dependent from the west. Some economists and specialists already admit the reality but many do not. Just like the old rulers of the Soviet Union, they still cling on some dogma and belief against the realities of the world.
>>71758530
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Last tuesday China announced its gold standard, its own gold based money. Already in 2013 the chairman of Bank of China announced that the dollar had no real value anymore. And he was right. Russia, together with China and India, built their economic union, community, BRICS, and there is nothing the west can do about it anymore. USA is trying to destabilize Russia and India, it is trying to crash Chinese stock markets, but in vain. Nothing is going to work. Why?
Most of the world population live in those countries. In China and India there are already some 600 million consumers with the same buying power locally as the europeans and americans, according some experts. Even more so as the american consuming has been kept up by debt, theirs is not. USA and Europe are on debt crisis. Their consumers are drowning in debt, their banks are drowning in loans and debt, the nations are falling because of their debts and their money is crashing at any moment because it has no real value anymore.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
USA has more than 19 thousand billion debt. Federal reserve has some 172 thousand billion out in suspicious loans and others. Italian banks alone have some 360 billion of "unmanaged" debts. Only one bank in Germany alone has some 70 billion euros worth of "problem loans". One bank. You think this is going to work out somehow? Think again.
Now 600 000 000 million chinese and 600 000 000 indians makes 1,2 billion consumers. It is the biggest consumer market in the world. Right fucking now. The manufacturers no longer need the western markets. They don't need US markets. They are more than willing to sell for these too but they are no longer dependent on these two markets. To put it simply: China, Russia and India no longer need the western economy. Period. That is the reality. They have all they need among themselves. Too few people have realized this in the west but it is the fact.
>>71758597
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Our own bankers, politicians, leaders and vultures created this situation. Greed ruined the west eventually. Removing obstacles and lessening the governmential control, we let our own robber barons rise up from the dead and steal out nations wealth. They stole our lands, riches, and tax funds and then they enslaved us all by debt. It was all done in imaginary world of computers, fictional money creation and bubbles. Now, there is nothing real anymore, other than huge amount of debt.
And guess what? China, Russia and India are no longer financing the debt game in the west. They have withdrawn from it since 2011 and for real since 2012. They have bought their own loans to themselves, they have been selling their dollar papers and eurostuff away since 2012. They have been dumping the west all along and no one can do anything for it. Perhaps the oil countries in Persian Gulf will lend some money for a while but when they sniff the fall of the west, they shut down and head for China and India. Why? Because that is were the future of world economy is. That is where the most of the population of the world is. That is where most of the money of the world is. It is that simple.
Can the west fight back? No. US lead the western invasion into the Mid east and it all failed. It ruined the US economy. 11 years of continious war in Irak, Afganistan and so on brought no gains. The jig was up. Money ran out and the enemy was not defeated. Those wars are still dragging on.
That is why USA and its allies, mainly Israel and Gulf states and Turkey created ISIS. ISIS was and is an mercenary army disguising as religious fanatics. Perhaps some individuals are but most of them are not. The West tried to destabilize Syria with it in order to snatch syrian oil and gas, but fucked it up. ISIS could not do it, not even after Mossad directed Al Qaida/Aö Nusra to help out. They still could not topple Assad and take his treasures.
>>71758644
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ISIS did how ever start stolen oil business with Turkey. President Erdogans son was directing the trade of the stolen oil in to the west, worth some 500 million dollars a year. But the russians stopped that game. Few months after ISIS declared a war against Russia, the hammer came down and oil trade was blasted away, ISIS was sickled up and that was it. When Turkey shot down one russian plain over Syria and threatened with war, Russia declared that okay, we will use nuclear weapons then. And shot one cruise missile from Caspian sea to one house in Syria, over thousand kilometers away. Turkey did not invade Russia, for some reason.
When some americans like general Breedlove began to sharpen their tone in Europe against Russia, China declared that it no longer limits its submarine fleet in defensive mode. From now on the chinese nuclear submarines patrol all over the Pacific, including the west coast of North America. It is already known that the russians patrol on Atlantic too. Couple years ago China and Russia held small war games on their common border. There were 120 000 soldiers on those war games. China and Russia also have made a mutual defence pact. Which means, you attack Russia, you attack China, you attack China, you attack Russia.
The russians have 4 700 nuclear weapons. No one knows how much the chinese have, but the lowest estimate is 260 which is ridicilous. More than likely they have around one thousand. India has about 120 nasty ones. These three have some 5 - 6 000 nuclear weapons. But here is another thing: India has a population of 1,3 billion and counting ( http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/india-population/ ), China has almost 1,4 billion and counting ( http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/ ) and Russia has 143 million and counting ( http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/ ).
>>71758759
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Heres a third thing: Russia has oil, gas, minerals, metals, forests, water and industrial power. Chinese produce more consumer goods than any other nations in the world. India produces most of the clothes etc. You add all these things together. What does it say? Look at it with cool head and do not get emotional.
The west: low birth rates, crashing economies, crashing monetary units, crashing states, very few natural resources untapped, consumer markets saturated and failing in debt. Think about that. Compare. Think.
That is why the west lost this round. We may bounce back someday, but it can be that we become what we were only 500 years ago: disease ridden, war torn edge of Eurasia connected by emotional ties with another back water across the Atlantic.
And as we speak, the "latinos" are taking over their old lands in North America and there is nothing USA can do about it. The latinos are the decendants of those native americans and spanish whom USA once pushed away back in 1800's. Now they return and take over. It has already begun. Presidential candidate Teddy Cruz??
In the next fifty to hundred years the anglo USA is gone. USA will be perhaps the strongest state in America but more like Mexico and Brazil than Europe.
Like Deng Xiaoping famously said in 1978: "In hundred years time China will be where it historically belongs to: in the center of the world." That little old cigarette chimney might have been right.
Australia? Forget about it. Aussies have declared themselves as an Pacific nation, not european nor western. It only makes sense. They have western roots but also aborginal ones. They will Waltz with Matilda when the west goes down.
>>71758841
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The only two western nations who have a chance are those two hard old bastards: United Kingdom and Switzerland. Both are involved in global financial business like no other western nations. UK has its "Commonwealth" and web of tax havens and the swiss are the swiss. They don't give shit.
They did not give a shit about Adolf Hitler or Napoleon, Bourbons or German emperors. As did not the britts, too. They have that in common. And they will do it again. They will not give a shit about USA, EU, euro or dollar when the shit hits the fan.
Once that happens, it is every nation for itself in the west, as it used to be in the past. When the britts and the swiss did not give a shit about others.
http://rayhablogi.blogspot.fi/2016/04/why-west-lost-this-round.html
Thoughts?
Ok.
Posting good threads is a thankless job, OP.
To some extent I share your fears (if they ARE yours, is this your blog >>71758923 or did you just translate it?), but I'm not sure we won't just stagger on, and the decline will be gradual rather than catastrophic like your scenario.
>>71760816
It's straight pasta from that Finnish blog, originally written in English by someone else.
>>71758923
Bump for putting in effort I don't have time to read it now though
anti sage
Most of it seems sound and makes sense.
Though there is no mention of how the west decided to go 'full multicultural' which has probably made the decline happen even faster
>>71759889
I think there is a lot of good thoughts in there, but then again it ain't happening yet. Chinese are still poor, indians even poorer, russians are not that wealthy either. But soon perhaps?
Good move with gold backing, hope it brings a change to our coumtries too.
>>71761952
I'd like to put all the blame on the Jews, but I can't. Europeans are full of hubris, we never should have done colonization like we did, but it's in our blood...
There won't be another great white civilization for 10,000 years at least is my bet
>>71762167
What will likely happen
The great Western nations will go into decline, as will the rest of the world over time because they can usually only copy what Europeans do to a degree.
There will be another dark ages, but this time it will last for 4 to 5 thousand years until some white remnant gets their shit together and dominates per usual.
>inb4 le dark ages meme
dark ages were real. Technology advanced but culture stagnated for almost 1500 years
>>71762658
>There will be another dark ages
Meaning, what, exactly?
I read it. I can't form an argument against it because I don't know enough, but I hope someone else can.
Fuck. Hopefully there's an X factor that we're missing like a rebirth of right wing politics and traditionalism. If we lose our spot as world powers, that sucks. But to go extinct as a race on top of that is just tragic.
>>71762795
in my opinion, a general state of decay, lack of culture, wars, death, low quality of life
we're already into it, the original culture of Europeans is gone. We live in a rotting corpse of Western Civilization. People have been predicting this for 2 centuries now.
>>71762385
>Europeans are full of hubris
The exact opposite is true right now.
Any nation that is subverted is at least partially responsible, but there's no doubt jewish influence has had a very harmful effect on the western world.
>>71763063
the scary thing is after the collapse of Rome, there lots of other solid European tribes to fill the vacuum.
This may be our last stand, that's why the Jews want to destroy us. The Indo Europeans are their biggest threat. Every European nation is getting fucked.
>>71763237
used to be. They aren't now but during the colonization process they were. We thought we could just rule over the 3rd world forever.
The iron law of demographics always wins.
>>71763063
>People have been predicting this for 2 centuries now.
Surely this time they're right, huh?
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>>71759889
>Thoughts?
Sieg heil to that brother.
Long live the new european era of Nationalsocialism, built upon the cracked skulls of the capitalist, anti-white, globalist scumbags that almost drove our race to the brink of extinction.
>>71759889
I was with you until the ISIS part. Cmon, you telling me that the last desperate gasp of a dying superpower is 50k armed shitskins rather than the nuclear arsenal?
>>71763047
In the end geopolitics between the west and the world won't be the end of us. It will be our arrogance towards our home planet.
It's much more likely we will as a species completely fuck up this planet leading to conditions in which very little humans can live
>>71758530
It is like this because idiots fought and killed the last real power to wage open war against the banking families. Half this shit wouldn't be happening if people hadn't been idiots and followed like lambs to fight the very people waging total war against the corrupt banks. War is the only way to cleanse these banking families out, talk doesn't do it.
We are in the end phase where our economies and society will be decimated and the average person in chains. We have turned away from logic and embraced emotion to make our choices.
>>71763047
You don't get it? This is good! These are good news! We DON'T want the current system of power in the West to continue. It's the globalist, capitalist, anti-white system that is slowly but surely driving our race towards extinction. We WANT it to collapse so that we can finally take back our sovereignty from the international jewish banksters.
Europe should want to become less important, isolated small countries that nobody gives a fuck about, even if our quality of life will inevitably decrease immensely, we want that because then we can finally focus on rebuilding our population, reinstituting healthy and sane standards and practices
>>71758530
>"""the west"""
good it always deserved to die, its 100 years too late desu
>>71759889
sounds true.
so ah, do you think that the 'full multicultural' might even be a legitimate act of desperation to bolster the number of soldiers we can muster?
do you think that if america strikes hard and fast, we can defeat them? somehow negate the nuclear element, cripple their military technology force multipliers - and then kill four million of their armed forced with a quarter million of ours, following, install puppets?
is there some superweapon or deception that can give us the upper hand?
>>71764017
>do you think that if america strikes hard and fast, we can defeat them?
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!
We WANT this disgusting anti-white capitalist globalist system to finally collapse and cease to exist and join the garbage can of history! OUR RACE IS FUCKING DYING UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEE THE CURRENT SYSTEM CONTINUE IS AN ANTI-WHITE
>>71764148
the russian agitator is right
>>71764148
The alternative to the current system is literally millions if not billions of deaths
Now you have to be pretty sure that the current system is bound to fail even worse eventually, or be a true mentalist to want billions of people to die to create a new brighter future...
Maybe we do need a modern day Genghis Khan to burn the old world down though so a new one can rise.
Take note of the ''dying'' part. The current world order is dying, and that's fucking good, we'll take a big fat dump on its dying corpse and then build something new.
>>71764386
are you implying that if the jews win wars and famine will suddenly stop and people will never die again?
>>71758530
The "west"
You mean usa
Western arrogance
You mean american followed by traitor from the bourgeoisie in europe
BENISBUTT
>>71764386
>The alternative to the current system is literally millions if not billions of deaths
>Now you have to be pretty sure that the current system is bound to fail even worse eventually, or be a true mentalist to want billions of people to die to create a new brighter future
What? No. Our current system would 'end' with economic collapse, and masses of finally awakend and fed up whites, beheading the globalists and their henchmen, followed by poverty and hunger to a certain degree. But we're still Europe, we can grow our own food and we can produce the products essential to maintain a dignified life. Where do you get these ''billions of dead'' from?
>>71764148
what if there is a way to shield a small elite of our race from radiation, and then just start a nuclear war? kill most people on earth. maybe we already have full on space tech and can leave this rock and kill every last fucking nonwhite as we go
>>71763831
Who said it was the last desperate gasp? More will come before the end.
Good strawman though.
>>71764537
''Colonizing other planets'' is just a science-fiction fantasy. We're never going to be able to do something like that. We came to be on this planet, and we're going to cease to exist on it. We can't travel faster than light, or at the speed of light, and even if we could (either) it would not be fast enough to reliably ''colonize'' planets on which we can live as naturally as we can on this planet.
>>71758530
Recent collapse of Chinese market kinda implying that Asians can't into superpower (yet?)
And India seems like forever Third world. With new fighters and dirty peasants. If you wanted parallels with USSR - its there.
>>71764521
With economic collapse another world war will happen..
Remember that ww1 started with a single person dying, economic collapse has much more wide spread immediate consequences.
If things go to shit war is inevitable right? Especially with so many hot zones across the planet ready to explode
>>71764670
MAYBE, but MAYBE NOT
there's nothing that is impossible if the proper conditions are met.
our race will not perish on this planet.
in all seriousness we just have to get over ourselves and let the east lead for awhile and create the intermediary techs we never could because of the entrenched system we created.
in 100 years, a 'factory' will be a generic machine that can produce anything whatsover without reconfiguration, and small townships will be quite capable of generating their own power, food, water, laptops, planes.
you don't dream big enough, you want to be stern voice of reason, but, there truly is no limit to our grasp.
>>71763942
Yeah I mean the upside to not being the wealthy countries is that people won't flood to us, and we won't feel "privileged" and be manipulable. It could be a blessing in disguise indeed. I fear it's probably too late for the US though demographically speaking.
>>71764877
>With economic collapse another world war will happen..
Well, no. Why would it? It would only affect the west, you realise this right? You think China would suddenly launch nuclear missiles on masses of european civilians just because we're suffering from an economic collapse? No. And you can be assured that military men won't just launch nuclear missiles for no reasonable reason just because some butthurt jew orders them to.
>>71758530
Greed wins erryday!!
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>>71759889
This idea of the west "going quitly into the night" is flawed at best.
Do you think our elites would accept a lessening in their living standards and wealth?
Do you think our peoples would accept that? Could accept that?
No.
We will sooner see a global war than a poor west.
>>71764690
India will never become a ''superpower'', that's just a meme. Their race is not intelligent enough, as racist as that may sound, but that's the truth of it, their IQ is too low and they live in too warm and exotic of a climate. Whites and east asians are the only ones capable.
>>71764537
>what if there is a way to shield a small elite of our race from radiation
Yes there is, being underground in a bunker till most of the radiation goes has always been viable even if not desirable.
Living in southern hemisphere would give you a fighting chance too due to the earth's winds
>>71765114
Nobody cares about the U.S. The american continent is not a native white land, we have no 'right' to that continent. Europe is the only place that matters and on which we have a moral right to be the only population, and an obligation to protect our homeland here.
>>71765307
No I don't think so. We'll just behead the globalists and their journalists and politician henchmen, and be done with it. Anyone who opposes the new nationalsocialist order is beheaded. Goodbye you disgusting fucking meme called ''democracy''.
>>71758597
>Last tuesday China announced its gold standard, its own gold based money
no they didn't and with you repeating click bait trash news that's nothing more than spin and hype by those pushing precious metals purchases you've outed yourself as an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about
>>71764409
This. The Phoenix will be reborn in the ashes of this civilization.
The Ubermen and the Eugenics Wars are coming!
>>71765165
The west is economically tied to the entire world..
If we go down the entire world comes down with the ship
>>71765574
economies rearrange themselves constantly..
>>71765362
The radiation would take thousands of years if not tens of thousands of years to go away
>>71764409
This. Over here we're undergoing a nasty cultural decline due to a life free of urgency, war and hardship will make people cling to their values and whip them back into line.
>>71758530
>BRICS
ahahahahahhaha fuck you
>>71765574
We have much more to lose. Poverty and dictatorship are common everywhere else.
>>71765574
Your idea of what constitutes an economy is childish. There's the meme definition of the word economy which means non-existant numbers on a computer screen, and then there's the natural resources required to keep human beings alive. The latter is the only one that matters. What's going to collapse is the modern, western-dominated globalist capitalist system of fake (meme) economy.
Russian natural resources are not going to vanish from existence just beacuse wall street loses electricity.
>>71763942
The world would be nothing without Europe and it will be nothing without us.
You are right, we must destroy and overthrow the current system (i.e. globalism, financial elites reigning, multiculturalism) but it doesn't mean we shall relinquish our natural place as leaders.
Europeans must """"""simply""""" rediscover their pride: we are the greatest civilisation ever seen on this planet, we contributed more to the advancement of the human species more than all other races combined, we are born to rule.
The only problem is that nowadays Europeans are spineless cowards with no pride and without pride and sense of identity you are just another braindead consumer.
By rediscovering our pride and sense of identity, Europeans will raise out of ashes once more and take their rightful place as leader of humanity.
>>71765751
This so much.
>Heres a third thing: Russia has oil, gas, minerals, metals, forests, water and industrial power. Chinese produce more consumer goods than any other nations in the world. India produces most of the clothes etc. You add all these things together. What does it say? Look at it with cool head and do not get emotional.
>>71765661
Sure but "rearranging" an economy that billions of people rely on will happen through war and millions of deaths
>>71765793
>By rediscovering our pride and sense of identity,
> Europeans will raise out of ashes once more and take their rightful place as leader of humanity.
thingsthatwillneverhappen.jpg
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>>71759889
Really poor OP, I critically gave it a chance. It isn't coherent.
I wish you luck, I hope you discover some deeper truths. That is entirely up to you.
>>71765574
yea... but will the west recover?
>>71765919
weedman pls go
>>71765793
>The world would be nothing without Europe and it will be nothing without us.
Sorry man but Europe isn't the United States. Europe turning into the third world isn't going to have any effect on the status quo. Your countries have fallen asleep and relied on U.S. military protection for far too long at this point considering the fact there hasn't even been any assassinations of politicians, etc it appears Europe is never going to wake up and will become Africa lite
>>71765751
No but Chinese tanks might start chugging their way to Saint Petersburg to snap up those resources which have a new much more expensive value, worth the cost of millions of human lives
>>71765751
Russian natural resources impossible to extract without western tech, and even with western tech its hard and getting harder and more expensive.
Russian oil has poorer quality than Arabian oil. And even USA now sending gas to Europe.
>>71765919
I know that is unlikely, I just made a correction in the scenario hypothesised by our fellow Swede: he foresaw an unimportant Europe, whereas I prefer a nationalist Europe that guide the world.
Then, as you pointed out, it's very unlikely.
>>71765681
Yes, some of the radiation would be around for tens of thousands of years.
However the really nasty most dangerous isotopes from nukes would have expended themselves in hours, days and a few weeks which means a well protected and prepared elite could survive (which is why the elites build bunkers!)
>>71765908
no reason for that, autarkic power blocs would form from neighboring regions.
>>71762658
Are you retarded
There has been a "dark age". That lasted over a couple centuries
The "dark ages" we're from like 500-850
The Greek and Egyptian dark ages were both only a couple centuries
4,000 year dark age? What does that mean? 4,000 years ago was early Egyptian civilization there have been many ups and downs, empires and falls on that time.
I expect we are entering a "dark age". As in the decline and fall of western civilization as we have known it since about 1600.
But even that will only last so long until a new societal standard arises out of the collapse of western capatalism social democracy
Like how feudalism arose after the collapse of the roman imperial system and how Greco-roman city states arose out of the collapse of the "palace econemy" Bronze Age
>>71762658
Dark Ages is only partially a meme, in the sense that technology did move forwards, but living conditions were far worse than they had been under the Romans. The reason for this was the collapse of the secure trade and transportation routes throughout the empire, which in turn left a bunch of barely connected barbarian successor states who had no real contact with anyone outside of their vicinity.
I can't see that happening again because with the advent of the internet, even if the state collapses knowledge can be preserved and transmitted easily.
>>71765751
>What's going to collapse is the modern, western-dominated globalist capitalist system of fake (meme) economy
Ohm that's incorrect.
China for example, exist so far mostly due to export trade (i.e. relies on West).
>>71766108
There's no need for that.
>>71766211
You have the blueprints, the IQ, the manpower, and the resources, you'll manage to extract those resources one way or another. And it's not like western knowledge of how to manifacture those machines will vanish into nothingness in an eventual economic collapse either.
>>71759889
>longer need the western markets. They don't need US markets. They are more than willing to sell for these too but they are no longer dependent on these two markets. To put it simply: China, Russia and India
truth is what it is but how much of it we'll just have to see it for ourselves, the west was sinking for a long time now, and unless it's someone like Donald J. Trump who genuinely love his country start fixing shit up not braking it, it will still be steady downhill from there. There is no mistake it's realy bad now, we will have to see how the things turn out in next 20 years.
>>71766325
Nobody will stop trading with China. The point is China doesn't even need to rely on Western consumers due to 200 million Chinese who can afford Iphones and another 100 million indians.
>>71766327
Why not?
As you say at some point natural resources and land becomes a more valuable commodity then a bunch of useless meat sacks
>>71765496
>he wants to live in a totalitarian state reminiscent of 1984
no thanks
>>71766442
That's like a market loss of something like 1 billion people if the west suddenly couldn't afford shit
That's not going to affect them?
>>71766327
No, we have not. That's why its Western tech, not Russian. And Russia cant develop anything like this, cause lately we teach our kids Orthodox religion instead of physics and patriotism, instead of math.
>>71758530
>Hellgate London background
F-fuck you anon.
>>71766555
Not at all. If people dislike our system they are free to express their opinion.
If they want to replace it with a liberal democracy with open borders for non-whites though, nope, they're getting executed.
That's not ''1984''. 2016 is 1984.
>>71766442
The point is - majority Chinese cant afford it. Their bubble puffed and they went back to cup of rice.
>>71766290
I actually see the eu as the equivalent of the western Roman Empire in about 400 AD give or take
N. America and Australia is the Byzantine east that will carry on and we will see some new mix of western society and eastern Islam replace the western culture of today
While that goes on for several centuries the U.S. And Canada/Australia will more and more associate with the asiatics if China and the Far East, this wil drastically change our culture over the coming several centuries
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>>71765900
>Russian natural resources are not going to vanish from existence just beacuse wall street loses electricity.
No. The resources wont vanish, but millions of lives will in the hectic scramble for those resources. There will be no peaceful solution to this. America wont just give its power to someone else. It wont, and it cant.
Another thing to keep in mind is the fragile conditions of Russia, India, and China. All three countries would be very easy to destabalise. Especially the latter two.
>>71766079
Probable, I didn't say it's going to happen, I said what should happen to make that occur.
IF Europeans actually rediscovered their pride and sense of identity (something I envy about Americans), then Europe can begin to retake its place on the world stage.
It won't probably happen (then here it begins the debate about rising nationalism in Europe) but if nationalism returned (remember "IF"), then Europe can and will rise again.
As said at the beginning, I think that only if the current system collapses, such scenario can happen, otherwise we'll just become braindead consumers purchasing the next Iphone 32s.
>>71766556
FFs nobody is ever gonna stop trading with China. No matter what happens the biggest debt ridden AIDS infested Western faggot today still buys an iphone and Chinese shit at wallmart.
>>71758530
"Men like George Soros" are a thoroughly international clique including the leaders of China, India and the effectively-ruling Gupta family of South Africa. They lunch together regularly and all know each other.
>>71759889
No, ideas.
>>71766688
You specifically said 'national socialism' which is an ideology with totalitarian tendencies. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>71766709
I wouldn't consider that an apt analogy. It's really impossible to compare post-industrial revolution states to pre-industrial revolution states, especially when you're trying to predict the trajectory of a modern state.
>>71766754
And if we have no money to buy things?
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>>71767005
I should also note that you said
>Anyone who opposes the new nationalsocialist order is beheaded
which is already a call to political violence against non-conformists
>>71767020
Ofcourse you will. Look at Greece Portugal and Spain as worst case scenarios. Completely cucked, no future or prospects, still enough money for basic consumer goods.
>India and China are totally going to be superpowers guys, believe me!
>entire nations are filled with street-shitting peasants being managed by a few higher-IQ coastal merchants
>>71767005
People are remarkably the same
I may be wrong but I assume people will still do what people do no matter what technology we have in place
Deep down we are no different that the Romans of 400 AD or the mycean Greeks of 1200 bc
>>71766705
Who cares about the majority. The Majority of Chinese would be greater than Europe and America combined. Asia right now is already the biggest auto sales market and the biggest auto manufacturer by far.
>>71767195
Those are your worst case scenarios eh? You must be an optimist
>>71767289
Seems like you three have a lot in common then. The level of common serfs mean nothing in gaining superpower status as we can see here
http://fortune.com/2015/03/10/american-millennials-are-among-the-worlds-least-skilled/
>>71763063
You're so fucking delusional. You killed your arguement, you should have just stopped at your last post.
>>71767406
No there will be no muh race war, or great happening. Things will just decay and degrade for centuries. Until you are Arab Tier but you will never notice it.
>>71763591
No.
>>71758923
China is just making the same mistakes we did. They were too over-populated to start with as well. When everything goes to shit, they will arm up their excess males, and go grab some lebensraum. Africa and Australia are going to get btfo. Maybe even some west coast America and Canada.
Many Chinese have to die to bring balance with the eco-system, and conquest is the most logical avenue to achieve that.
>>71767528
Fucking weedman, get out of here
i think as a last desperate attempt the west will attempt to re-establish their old dominance by starting another major war, probably against russia or china.
if we do, we will lose that war and destroy yourselves. you already see the anti-russia propaganda everywhere (especially in europe). our demographics cannot handle another war, there's barely any young westerners as is. and the economy is nothing but a dead corpse rotting in the summer heat.
we've dug our own graves, now all we can do is sit still and watch as birthrates continue to plummet while everyone is slaving away to pay off their debt/taxes to fund the ever increasing monstrosity that is known as the welfare state.
>>71758530
This only further emphasizes why we need a return to strong nationalism in America. I only hope trump can/will deliver on what he's been promising, otherwise we are completely fucked
>>71767391
>The Majority of Chinese would be greater than Europe and America combined
Yes, and they are dirt poor.
>biggest auto sales market
that was before they hit the wall
>and the biggest auto manufacturer by far
good for them, but their economy grown will not be nearly as good as it was before
>>71767794
They still are in the current year
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/bulpIdEod7tk9HTftdo9bL/At-764-growth-India-fastest-growing-passenger-car-market.html
>>71767436
If you had ever meet an Indian before in real life, you would know just how fucked their nation is.
Nice meme image, btw. Those pictures are taken because shitting yourself is seen as abnormal in the West and they are being made fun of, while the average Indian/Chinese squats down and sees no problem with shitting in the street
>>71767884
India always talks how its developing, yet its still the same caste system country with majority of population shitting on rails (they have no toilets)
>>71768100
India is like 10 different countries spliced into one. I agree that it's a shitty unstable construct right now. But we don't know where it will be in 100 years. I personally think we will have problems with food, water and arable land that will cause mass death and starvation in the shitskin world. The only problem is that they will come here.
>>71768358
Its not even a problem. You will simply let them enter and live your life in a beautiful multicultural society.
>>71768498
Yes and we will die off
For three hundred years we prepared we grew stronger while you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe and protected. Now your republic shall fall:D:D
My thought is that finns aren't white but mongols from central asia
>>71759889
>>71767756
This
>>71758530
Great article OP, I cant disagree with the facts you put out. However, I think your interpretations are off. You assume that because the west is in decline, that India/Chine/Russia etc will up their game and "overtake" us. I will agree that the relative difference in economic/military power will shrink, but i dont think they will become THE superpower. The reason is that the fundamental pillars that give rise to Western technological and societal supremacy, Greek style rationalism, Christian values, and Roman law, are not to be found in these other cultures (maybe Russia to an extent). History is pretty conclusive that certain civilizational metric need to be met in order to maintain and advance. I dont see the evidence for this in other countries.
No doubt we in the West are ignoring these principles as well, but that doesnt meant the Chinese can do "better." I would also like to point out the utter frailty of the Chinese economy. They do have massive debt as well, and are being propt-up by government intervention, maybe even more than western countries.
In addition, you must meet certain social structures with respect to knowledge and decisions to maintain and advance a modern economy. This means those with the most information/knowledge about a situation is the one making decisions, (i.e. a properly priced free market that can price needs/wants correctly). Think USA 1870s-1950's. I would reference Thomas Sowell "Knowledge and Decision." A must read to understand how social/economic/legal precedent allows for efficient flow and use of information within a civilization.
>>71759889
Commendation on an excellent post. The west is teetering on the edge at the moment, the sluggish economy shows this. Lack of any real leadership will finish it.
The Chinese are the ones to watch, their patience is legendary, the west has forgotten their socialist. They have slowly been establishing themselves in Africa, so carefully no one notices. While the west is self absorbed in its distractions. You snooze you lose.
>>71771299
implying you can bump your own thread
take this one, on me, pekka
>>71769985
I agree
The world won't be seeing a new order but a lack of order.
I think the main mistake people make is thinking this will end in nuclear war, rather than just the west becoming poor. To the point of being unable to maintain basic services. Government instability and famine. As most information and business depends on the internet and servers. Being without power would be catastrophic.
>>71758530
I doubt Russia has good prospects for the future. They're sandwiched between Asia and Islam
Europe is sandwiched between Russia, Panislamism and China, left only with the NATO alliance
Now I can only laugh at dumb politicians like Le Pen who accuses the US of all the evil that happened to Europe. She proposes a Europe-Russia alliance instead. But what kind of alliance would that be? Doesn't she know that Russia managed to go as far as to Berlin? What about their relationship with China? Better submit to Russia/China than the US?
The United States is the last strong country of european background that still stands strong but it will fall apart. There will be no global hegemon anymore, China has no cultural strength to do that. The world will consist of regional alliances, like Russia/China, Islamic world, Anglosphere/Europe. There's still Latin America and Africa to come though, and we don't know what they will do
>>71771382
Thanks.
