Don't follow Stefan that much, but damn I love his argument against Atheists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c
NOT
>>71758195
Is this cuck able to make a video that isn't at least 30 minutes long. it's like he loves to hear himself talk.
Lmao at the faggots who unironically listen to his "show".
AN
>>71758580
your cuckshed has internet?
>>71758580
not an argument
My question to atheists opposed to anti-theism:
Would you treat person who chooses to believe in Harry Potter for their own comfort with the same level of empathy you display for religious people?
>>71758195
This guy... He literally just talks to a bloody camera about what's on his mind. I mean, I probably agree with him on most things (though his videos are too long and I don't have time for them), but he comes across as pretentious and like he thinks he's an intellectual.
>>71758195
Can you sum this up for me I'm not watching a 20 minute video.
You guys think that deep blink he does is part of OCD/OCPD or a tick?
>>71759739
TL;DR: A Christian neighbor is less of a threat to an Atheist. A Christian may use their Gospel to persuade you to God, but a Christian is not a threat. Leftwing Atheists want to use the power of the state to suppress Christians and therefore use the sword to force Christianity out of their communities. The amount of people who have died to Atheist belief and through the power of the state far outweighs those who have died to Christianity and the church.
It's funny cause you can clearly see what he is talking about by the reaction to what he's talking about.
>>71760267
Does he base this on any actual figures or is he just expressing his opinion that they are safer?
>>71760329
That sounds an awful lot like the traps SJWs use. If you respond to being called racist, that means you must be racist.
>>71759638
I agree. He might be a shill and gets paid to do what he does. But some of the stuff he has put out I've agreed with. My biggest problem with him is he will use a lot of bait video titles that don't fully relate content wise.
>>71760369
70% of the non-Relgious affiliated voted for Obama/Democracts.
That, and the numerous discussions and debate he, a long time proud proclaimed rationalist Athiest, has had with both Christians, Athiests, Socialists and Libertarians over the years from a sizeable Internet platform.
>>71760267
Is Stef trying to say that Christians have never attempted to use the state to push their ideas onto people?
>>71759739
>Atheists in America tend to be leftists
>I dont like leftists
>>71760453
More like 1 look at the comments selection for 1 criticism of the modern Athiest, equals, the vitriol that years of religion bashing has produced combined.
>>71760737
I like this guy already.
>>71760267
>Leftwing Atheists want to use the power of the state to suppress Christians and therefore use the sword to force Christianity out of their communities.
What kind of dumbass assumption is this?
I'm an atheist, but I don't force it down anyone's throat.
>The amount of people who have died to Atheist belief
what
>>71758580
Yes he is capable of doing that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvdeomvHD4
>>71758580
Thanks for your input, plebbit, but that's usually how podcasts work, in case you weren't aware.
>>71758195
FUCK THIS CLOWN
>>71760369
Here are 2 sources he showed in the video description.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/12/charted-the-religions-that-make-the-most-babies/
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-social-and-political-views/
I mean if you have studied history, it's pretty apparent that what he is saying is true. Atheists are the ones who are a threat to society.
>>71759279
Provided that the Potterites keep their bullshit out of legislation, do not harm or compel self-harm toward their followers (i.e. Scientology) and refrain from attempting to co-op political parties, they can worship whatever they feel like.
>>71760853
when he mentions the quarter of a billion dead hes referring to mao, stalin, hitler and so forth
>>71760796
>the vitriol
Remember when the Christians burned people alive?
>>71760619
>>71758195
I would absolutely argue that the reason for this huge discrepancy in the US has nothing to do with the rejection of deity, but has everything to do with the fact that the Republican Party pander a lot to Christians while the Democrats do not. For atheists, that's a big deal-breaker.
>>71760369
He's expressing his opinion.
>>71760267
Christians have, at more than enough times, used the force of the state to suppress dissenters in history. The only reason they're not doing it today is because western states are secularised.
Actually, they do so today in the US as well. Creationism and intelligent design being taught in schools when it is clearly incorrect, instead of the scientific explanation of evolution. The Big Bang Theory has a few holes in it though, and is definitely an incomplete hypothesis. This results in poorer education and uses the force of the state (state-funded education) to deliver the message. The Republicans also have quite a few Christian morals which would directly regulate the life (ie. using the force of the state) of US citizens.
>>71761166
So anyone that's ever died to someone that isn't a devout Christian is a death in the name of atheism?
What the fuck?
>>71760639
Address this question, OP.
>>71760639
No, he recognizes that you atheists are butt hurt about the actions of the church in the past, but that can't compete with dead bodies of Christians who have died through the sword of the state.
>>71761089
What is the point? Are you going to make people believe something they do not in order to make them have more children?
>>71761216
Remember when the French Revolution killed more people in a year, then Christians did over an average 300 years? No Gods, no kings, just blood.
>>71758195
I stopped watching when he called me pro big government and a "leftist" (I'm libertarian -> small government).
Is there any considerable argument in this video?
>>71761347
>Christian persecution complex
Every. Damn. Time. Christians have been the majority both in population and power in the West for hundreds of years. So if they were being killed "by the sword of the state" it was a probably a Christian holding it.
>>71761259
Athiests exist in other countries. Other countries that correlate with Liberalism in general. Norway, France, Germany and Swedeb spring to mind.
>>71760267
>A Christian may use their Gospel to persuade you to God, but a Christian is not a threat.
Well he is wrong though.
The Christian Right in America would gladly create a theocracy if people didn't stop them doing so.
>>71761416
>over an average
You're a very sneaky leaf.
>>71758195
I would like to see him show some actual studies and evidence showing his statements to be true. All he does is say that Government is to Atheists as to what god is to Christians or any other religion. I find the biggest flaw to be that he does not seem to mention how religion also uses the government to uphold their beliefs.
I think both sides are stupid and I am ashamed of this whole new atheism movement that has been hijacked by the regressives. Why is it so hard to be athiest and want a small government.
What I would like to know is why atheists as he states 9/10 are left would be for big government when that is literally religion 2.0.
>>71760267
Sorry but thats not evidence for the existence of god.
I'm so confused as to the absurdity of both the video, and some of the anons in this thread.
It's like he's trying to prop up a cardboard cutout image of a jeering, leftist, militant, atheist so he can have someone to be angry at.
The vast majority of atheists don't give a fuck, and have never even gone out of their way to condemn a religion.
Reminder: most 'agnostics' are indeed atheists.
>>71761259
>>71761308
>>71760853
>>71758195
This video is a giant guilt by association argument. One might as well argue that because someone is white, they're guilty of colonialism, which is clearly incorrect.
>>71761347
You would probably be persecuted and burned if we sent you 500 years ago back in time, because the diluted """Christianity""" we have today, particularly by the "moderate Christians" that have made concession to Enlightenment morals would be considered heretical.
>>71761489
I think there is something mentally wrong with you if you think he called you that.
>>71761788
>You would probably be persecuted and burned if we sent you 500 years ago back in time, because the diluted """Christianity""" we have today, particularly by the "moderate Christians" that have made concession to Enlightenment morals would be considered heretical.
This.
Nearly all 'christians' today are not following the true faith at all.
Just look at the vast number of denominations just in the US.
>>71761347
In the United States in particular, this has no relevance, as the church has harmed far more than secularism has; Christ, the Baptist Church was massively entrenched in the South's pro-slavery rhetoric in the lead-up and prosecution of the Civil War, which harmed more Americans than any other event. Never mind the reams of Church legislation that has had to be disentangled over the centuries.
Also, I will never comprehend why anyone (much less bible-bangers who moaned for Communist blood during the red scare era) in the U.S. cares that the leaders of her old enemies killed the shit out of their populace, particularly when most U.S. citizens were totally willing to do it for them. Seems a bit hypocritical.
>>71758580
Leftists and their attention span...
It's eternally impossible to educate these people.
>>71761489
I don't know about where you are, but most atheists I know (me being one of them) are shitty pleb-tier Bernouts and mild socialists, and they go for whatever is politically trendy and NPR so they can appear educated and worldly.
The point of this video is that Atheists are all about rejecting the imaginary authority and purpose of a metaphysical God, but then (largely) completely fail to apply that same reasoning to the much more important imaginary authority and purpose of the State.
Even as an atheist, I would much rather live in a community of prolific, self-governing K-selective Mormons than one of childless, socialist atheists.
>>71761710
You're not getting it Slovakbro.
>>71761960
It's laughable because they're either too ignorant to realize or too dishonest to admit that the reasons Christians even came to America in the first place was because they didn't like what the church was doing and they wanted to change it to suit their own needs. When people tell you Christianity is the correct faith, ask them which denomination they're talking about.
>>71762161
"It doesn't matter what denomination you are. As long as you believe that Jesus is your savior, you'll go to heaven. God forgives everyone."
But what if I'm a rightwing atheist?
How am I worse than cucktholics adopting nigger spawn?
All the butt hurt, self loathing heathens in this thread. You hate Christians so much. Don't worry, us Christians already know you will kill us off in the end. Enjoy it, because whatever you do to us, won't even be a fraction of the pain you will endure for eternity if you do not come to Jesus. You can go on living in fear of God and ramifications for your actions in life. You can't fight death though. And when that happens, you and I will all face judgement as equals for our actions. What we do in life, echos in eternity.
>Disliking Atheism because of Atheists
Already a flawed argument from the get go. The thing about Atheism is that it's nothing. It's a lack of belief and therefore cannot be treated in the same vein as religion. So if Atheists as a whole are insufferable assholes, it doesn't matter because Atheism doesn't tell you how to act, it's just that they reject god and that's that. There's no rules or holy books to live your life by. The poor attitude of Atheists in general comes down to their personality and their personality alone.
That being said, it's pretty dumb to completely and utterly reject god without consideration otherwise as much as it is to wholeheartedly accept he's real. Since we have no concrete proof that he is real, it's similarly true that we have no proof that he is not. The best thing a person can do is accept they don't know the answer but keep their mind open while still having their own interpretations.
Leftists can still fuck off though.
>>71762065
Fascinating anecdotes. The majority of atheists simply don't care just like the majority of Christians simply don't care. How many Christians are out there in America right now that consider themselves Christian but never attend Church except on special occasions and never really read the bible?
Regardless of your beliefs it is very dishonest to ignore the silent majority who simply are too busy to care about ruling over other peoples' lives.
>>71761866
He quite clearly correlated atheism with leftism.
>>71761558
The American definition of "liberalism" is worthless. What exactly is more liberal about these countries than the United States? There are many differences, but I want to know specifically what you think of when you mention these countries. No dodging the questions or rhetorical questions either. Give me specific things.
Stefan is overrated at best, but he's not the worst.
Firstly, he gets hung up on topics without 'really' addressing them or even considering their practical purposes.
Secondly he's an atheist himself.
>>71760267
>>71758580
I prefer longer videos over shorter ones...
>>71762290
Say that to the Cathar, Orthodox and Lutheran. There have been a significant amount of fighting because of different denominations.
>>71762397
When a person goes to heaven will they be able to watch their favorite sports team?
>>71762161
Exactly. The Church forced us out of Europe and then we get the blame for all of Rome's actions.
>>71762433
There is an observable correlation though. You're like one of those nigger apologists going "but I have this nigger friend who isn't a gang banger so you can't say there is a correlation between niggers and criminality."
Yes you can. Just because there are exceptions doesn't mean it's wrong.
>>71762641
How about you answer my question first and then I'll tell you why you're wrong?
>>71762433
>What exactly is more liberal about these countries than the United States?
>>71762065
I'm libertarian and an Atheist. I don't know what one has to do with the other, at least here the socialists are not necessarily Atheists, many of them like the pope because he talks about socialistic shit too.
I'm an Atheist because this universe looks like there is no god and that everything behaves in a way that there's no reason to assume that supernatural forces may affect it. Also I don't like ideology like leftism, as it is basically the same as religion.
>>71758580
I can't even listen to his show ironically.
I know people are going to think I'm trying to be edgy or special, but I feel a mixture of sadness and pain when I even look and listen to him.
Something's off about this man and I can't quite put my finger on it.
>>71758195
He falls apart in the face of real intellectuals. The based points he does make are just parroting.
>>71762900
Source?
>>71761866
at 0:48 (big government) and 0:52 (leftist)
>>71762900
>Peter Hitchens
>Not a pseudo-intellectual
>>71762783
What question? I have no idea what countries you're talking about.
>>71763023
And that applies to you why? Because you're secretly a big government advocate and a leftist but you don't want to admit it to yourself or what?
>>71761166
Even for him, this is a fucking lazy argument. He's blaming this on atheism, and not fucking communism?
>>71763213
Then how could you possibly know which visible correlation I was talking about?
There is no difference between a theist and an atheist. Posit and prove or keep quiet and make me a sandwich.
>>71763213
>And that applies to you why? Because you're secretly a big government advocate and a leftist but you don't want to admit it to yourself or what?
"No true Scotsman" fallacy, come back with an valid Argument.
>>71758195
It's not even an argument, though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU4pAqt59g
Oh my god this cuck.
>living in Cambodia
>is dating a whore
>a literal whore
>a "prosti-toot"
>wants to know if she really loves him
>>71761166
Hitler persecuted atheists, and the vast, vast majority of nazis were christians.
>>71763332
Because you wrote in your post that the topic was correlating atheism with leftism. Are you saying that you deceived me and you were actually talking about something completely different?
>>71763424
I don't think you know what a no true scotsman fallacy is. I'm asking you, why does this apply to you? I am an atheist and I did not feel wounded by his words, because I am not a leftist. Not even secretly.
Accusations that don't describe you don't hurt you.
>>71762847
>Something's off about this man and I can't quite put my finger on it.
His mom was an actual whore. Dad bailed, he was raised feral in public housing.
His whole image is based on self hatred and disconnect.
>he's reading this thread right now.
>>71762847
He does seem sad to me too. Depressing to watch.
Fuck Christianity that is all.
>>71758195
>buttmad about paying taxes
>buttmad about current shit government
>forgets about the constant frothing evangelical movement, a movement based around making america a theocracy, by defnition forcing morals on people
>blames atheists for the liberal circlejerk that is our current government
>also: Statist this, statist that, come on sheeple
>>71763733
Did he tell his audience that in his show or is that background research you've done yourself?
>82 replies
>0 arguments
>>71763722
>I am an atheist and I did not feel wounded by his words, because I am not a leftist. Not even secretly.
>Accusations that don't describe you don't hurt you.
I said that I didn't watch his 20min videos because he starts talking shit before even a minute is over. So if there should be a considerable argument in the other 19min of his video I don't know it and someone else may tell it.
I don't feel wounded by his words at all, he just alleges points which are not true so I didn't watch any further, because it's a waste of time.
>>71758195
>argument
>against atheists
Retard confirmed.
>>71760267
>The amount of people who have died to Atheist belief and through the power of the state far outweighs those who have died to Christianity and the church.
I've heard some crazy shit before but that some high grade insanity.
>>71761578
Good eye spotting the weasel words.
>>71763722
>Because you wrote in your post that the topic was correlating atheism with leftism.
I believe this is incorrect. There is no such political affiliation in Europe, and both religious and atheist people have mingled party loyalty.
The guy asked me this:
>Athiests exist in other countries. Other countries that correlate with Liberalism in general. Norway, France, Germany and Swedeb spring to mind.
Aside from that, Japan is highly areligious, yet they're more right-wing than even the American government. Why then, would one say that
>>71764041
Your venomous attitude says otherwise. He's pointing out the tragic fact that majority of atheists just replace God with the state. This isn't something he made up, it's true. 9/10 atheists I've ever talked to are leftists and I've talked to many of them over a period of more than 20 years.
They are skeptical about God, but only a few are skeptical about the state.
>>71762960
He couldn't even debate commie-libtard Peter Joseph with out crying insult and threatening to shut down the debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjwBZjADiM
His go to argument when losing is to shut down the debate over his feels.
>>71764313
>>71763722
Didn't finish my post, sorry
cont.
religion has anything to do with politics? It seems to me that it's a highly cultural thing, not religious. In Europe, socialism took off long before atheism did.
>>71764320
heh yeah willfully ignorant athiest sheeple ron paul
>>71764320
>They are skeptical about God, but only a few are skeptical about the state.
I think you would be the first person to posit that the state actually exists.
>>71760267
That's an utter shit argument.
>>71760639
i doubt it. the argument usually addresses the modern era.
modern dictators were invariably atheists who nonetheless hold other irreligious beliefs at such a religious level that they are willing to kill millions to try to prove their system works -- even after socialism in all its forms had already been thoroughly, scientifically debunked by ludwig von mises.
Day 89:
redditors on /pol/ still didn't find an argument against Stefan
>>71764525
>at such a religious level that they are willing to kill millions to try to prove their system works
But they did this in the name of socialism, not atheism.
>>71764447
English motherfucker? Nice >Stereotyping
Radical Christian
>>71764320
>They are skeptical about God, but only a few are skeptical about the state.
well it requires significantly less brain power to see how stupid christianity and the bible is. not to say that the bible isnt full of good stuff too but theres retarded nonsense sprinkled everywhere and no non-retarded person can unironically believe it
whereas you have to actually educate yourself to understand why "the state" is a threat
>>71764320
Then OP with his claim that there is an "argument against Atheism" in this videos is a bitch.
However this is still not an argument, it's just correlation (which I can't review due to the lack of information).
In my experience one has nothing to do with the other. The lefties here are often some kind of protestants, while the atheists are more liberal or libertarian. Even if all atheists were socialists, which they are not, it wouldn't be the slightest prove that atheist is "wrong".
>>71760267
what the fuck. I don't give a shit about christians in my community.
>>71764313
It obviously applies to USA. The majority of people on the Internet and who are relevant to the world and its direction are Americans. In Estonia you won't find many lefties, atheist or not, but Estonians are like a tiny percentage of the world population. Almost negligible. USA has fucking towns that have more pop.
And most people who are not religious don't even give a fuck about religion. They aren't atheists, they simply don't care. Atheists actually make arguments against religion.
>>71764487
Well gee, it's almost like we are talking about God. Ever heard of the proposition "The state should pay for our healthcare and education"?
It 's not that uncommon among leftists and it presupposes that the state exists and has money. Neither of which is true.
I think you're shooting a bit above your head here.
>>71758580
I've only "watched" one of his videos and had to stop about 5 minutes in after I realized he was going to literally respond to every single sentence in the video he was reacting to.
>>71764716
It's not proof that atheism is wrong and the video you're talking about doesn't suppose that atheism is wrong in any capacity. Unless you take the clickbait title as the entirety of the video.
It supposes that atheism isn't doing much to help the situation of ever growing government.
>>71764417
are you kidding me
how can you listen to this and come to that conclusion?
his feels? why would you debate with someone who is just being a faggot?
that's how you do a debate. if your opponent is completely defeated, self-destructing with ad-hom, you walk away.
peter joseph is a good talker and a complete idiot.
The atheist butthurt in the wake of this video has been delicious.
>>71765220
>It supposes that atheism isn't doing much to help the situation of ever growing government.
this has nothing to do with atheism. aren't """"true"""" christians supposed to be socialists like pope francis?
>>71764947
>It obviously applies to USA
I agree. The point the guy I was responding to was making was that it's correlated elsewhere too, which is blatantly false.
>The majority of people on the Internet and who are relevant to the world and its direction are Americans.
Did you suddenly forget that within the EU there lives far more people than the US? While the EU isn't a country, it is highly relevant on the world stage.
>>71764947
>Neither of which is true.
I can point out to you the buildings where the country is run and the borders that describe its physical location. Can you provide either for god?
>>71764313
Are you...Norway or?
Either make an argument why atheism necessarily implies that you are a leftist, or do an actual analysis of the correlation between atheism and being a leftist.
1. There is, implicitly, no link between atheism and leftism (read: the desire for big government and attempts to force others to accept your viewpoint)
2. The "studies" referenced so far are anecdotal, and have no control (i.e. it doesn't account for the fact that maybe most people are just leftist, so asking them arbitrary questions about their values will lead to half baked conclusions that said values correlation to being a leftist)
Neither of these things are done, so this is all conjecture.
/thread
>>71765354
It does, though. In USA atheists are almost all left-leaning. There is a correlation between atheism and desire for bigger government.
>>71765378
Yes it's norway.
>you'll never find that fucker again
>>71765311
>Christianfag thinks he won but in the end he is laughing over nothing and stereotyping the fuck out of atheism
>>71765220
Yeah, but because of (OP's) clickbait title I awaited an argument against atheism, so I didn't watch the whole video because the first wrong conclusions appear before even the first minute of the video is over.
>>71764320
Right Libertarian Atheist here, fuck the government!
>The U.S. has a corrupt, backwards system that forces you to choose between two parties
>The people who don't believe in god are more likely to vote for the one of the two parties that doesn't cater to people that believe in god
Is this supposed to be some kind of shocking revelation? Is it really that hard to understand why the people who don't believe in a god do not vote for the party that happens to forward that agenda?
>>71765427
correlation is not causation
>>71765427
educated people are more likely to be atheist
educated people are more likely to be brainwashed by liberal propaganda
>>71765363
I can't prove an imaginary thing. A structure is not a manifestation of the state any more than Bible is a manifestation of God.
If the state exists because there are border structures, then logically God also exists because there are Bibles and temples. Your argument is stupid.
>>71765540
He's not making an argument against atheism, he's making an argument against atheists.
>>71758195
>tfw other atheists agree with me
Atheism is one of the biggest destructive aspects of the west
>mfw
>>71765710
>then logically God also exists because there are Bibles and temples
Nice strawman. Sense you christians say god can talk to you. Tried that when younger in the end figured out the he is a imaginary manifestation that people believe in because they don't want to face the real horror of DEATH.
>>71765977
I'm an atheist you cretin.
>>71765710
>He's not making an argument against atheism, he's making an argument against atheists.
No true Scotsman
here we go again...
I don't get it, why has attacking atheism increased this guy's popularity? Are people so scared of Islam now that they think getting with Christianity is the only thing that can protect them from being called racist for having their own identity?
>>71766044
Damn guess this is what I get for being part demon.
>>71758195
The problem with making any argument against atheists is they all only share one thing in common, the disbelief in a god or gods. Anything else beyond that is irrelevant. There's no written rules, no religious dogma, nothing. There's no denying that a majority of atheists in the US are leftist, but that still has nothing to do with anything.
>>71765427
As I said ealier, it probably has a lot to do with that the Republican Party panders to Christians and that turns off atheists, and associates conservatism with religion for them.
>>71765378
Yes, I'm Norwegian.
>>71758195
>Atheists are bad because leftists are retarded
Huh, but being atheist has nothing to do with being leftist
>Leftists suck!
I like Stefan but this video was NAA-tier
>>71759279
i dont display any empathy towards religious people
i treat them with contempt
>>71766055
Google no true scotsman fallacy and read what it means. Atheism is a position, an atheist is the scotsman. I'm not saying atheist who holds position x is not an atheist. I'm saying that atheists tend to also hold position x in addition to being atheists.
If anyone is trying to use that fallacy, it's you.
>>71766213
Actually, funny story. I was talking about Donald Trump with an American atheists the other day and the guy was literally afraid of his life. He thought fucking Donald Trump would have him rounded up in an atheist death camp and he'd be killed. Guy is gonna vote for Bernie. Or he was gonna, I have no idea what came of it.
I mean I dunno if it's an American thing, but I'm not afraid of Christians.
>>71765710
If states don't exist then bridge clubs don't exist. You can't show someone a picture of a bridge club, but you can show them the people that participate in it.
By trying to equate all abstract nouns used to describe ideas that aren't tangible to God, you're making the mistake in forgetting you are the ones posting that God has wishes, desires, and actually acts upon the world and us.
If everyone on my swim team left it to pay soccer, the swim team itself isn't going to have an opinion on that development and punish us.
>>71760267
>>who have died to Atheist belief and through the power of the state far outweighs those who have died to Christianity and the church.
This is deliberately misleading because when assorted acts of theist barbarism occured, there were far less people around due to a lack of modern technology.
Give a bunch of dominionist lunatics access to the full power and machinery of the modern security state and you will quickly see a bloodbath that puts stalin and mao to shame.
>>71766449
>He thought fucking Donald Trump would have him rounded up in an atheist death camp and he'd be killed.
This has to do with the liberal brainwashed SJW mentality, not being an atheist.
Its not an argument against atheism but against atheists.
>>71766523
The fuck is a bridge club? If you can take a picture of it, it exists. A state you cannot photograph, you can draw it on the map according to your understanding of its jurisdiction. It's an imaginary entity.
>>71766568
He was a libertarian actually. Not a liberal.
>>71762397
Jebus is a pile of dust in the desert somewhere, and your faith is a lie.
Good day, faggot.
>>71766660
>We're not saying white people are racist, we're just saying racism is inherent to whiteness
Shitty doublespeak of a diseased mind.
TL;DR
Bluepilled atheists (a bit ironic) are dangerous.
Christians are less dangerous.
Redpilled atheists (/pol/) aren't really mentioned.
>>71759638
Doesn't he have a PhD in philosophy though?
>>71766723
>He was a libertarian actually. Not a liberal.
Then he's a useless faggot that deserves to die anyway. Believing Trump will round up people to be slaughtered is just as pathetic as believing in the death panels for universal health care. People like him need to grow the fuck up and actually look into politics beyond Jon Stewart or whoever replaced him.
>>71766723
>A state you cannot photograph,
I'm not saying you can you moron. You're the one saying that.
Show me a picture of camaraderie. Show me a picture of stress. Show me a picture of togetherness.
>>71766782
Stefan is an atheist himself, he is just pointing out that atheists just replace god with the state. OP on the other hand implies that it's atheism and not atheists.
>>71766449
>Google no true scotsman fallacy and read what it means. Atheism is a position, an atheist is the scotsman. I'm not saying atheist who holds position x is not an atheist. I'm saying that atheists tend to also hold position x in addition to being atheists.
But then all the 'arguments' in this video are bullshit, correlating Atheism to socialism, refuting socialism and think to have an argument against atheists. Straw man, tapped right into the next fallacy.
>>71762397
Atheists don't hate you. We don't give a fuck you until you show up proselytizing.
The question is, "Why are atheists overwhelmingly leftists/statists?"
I answered the question in the fucking comments of that video yesterday. Here is what I said...
"What everyone seems to be ignoring, is what atheism actually is. Atheism is materialism. It means that this life is all there is, and thus, all of us should be doing everything in our power to make this life as good as we can for everyone. Anything which stands in the way of this "human progress", is by definition harmful, and even evil.
If someone is then "standing in the way of progress", they are standing in the way of human well-being, and human-happiness. And they must be stopped, by whatever means necessary, for the benefit of all mankind.
We cannot wait around for these selfish and evil men to get their justice from god. There is no god. If they don't get their justice in this life, then there is no justice."
>>71766914
I know, I told him that but that's where the he doesn't cater to atheists so he is going to round up atheists and kill them came in.
According to him Rand Paul and Bernie supported atheists, which is why he would vote for them.
>>71766978
Those things don't exist. Stress is a state of mind and camaraderie is a description of a relationship between men.
>>71767112
There is a correlation between atheism and socialism whether you like it or not. I bet you're a state worshipping cuck too considering how upset you are about this.
>>71766660
It's not even atheists. This video is just utter bullshit and OP baiting us all.
>>71767173
>cont...
"If these above principles are true. Then whether we support government, or are opposed to it. It is only to the extent that we find the government necessary in achieving our goals. The problem is a matter of, "What exactly are our goals to begin with?", or more specifically, "What is good?".
For instance, is freedom even good? Why?
Most atheists will claim the object of humanity, is either happiness, or living a long life(usually both). But what exactly is happiness anyway? For instance, were our ancient hunter-gatherer ancestors more or less happy than us? What causes someone to be happy anyway? Is it money? We continue to get richer in this country, all while constantly improving our technology, but happiness continues to decline. Why?
If living a long life is all that matters. Then imagine all the means which could, or should be employed to guarantee people as long a life as possible.
Why would freedom possibly be of any use to a humanist?"
>>71767222
>Those things don't exist.
>Now let me explain what they are
I think we've reached an impasse.
Well this thread was a hit.
>>71767127
because this happens all the time
>>71767230
I watched it, I think he is generalizing a bit, but since the majority of atheists are leftists, he does have a point about those atheists.
>>71766449
>Actually, funny story. I was talking about Donald Trump with an American atheists the other day and the guy was literally afraid of his life. He thought fucking Donald Trump would have him rounded up in an atheist death camp and he'd be killed. Guy is gonna vote for Bernie. Or he was gonna, I have no idea what came of it.
>I mean I dunno if it's an American thing, but I'm not afraid of Christians.
I do not understand this. It's particularly an American thing too, you know, with feminists feeling genuinely terrified at the prospect of being "triggered". We get some pretty ridiculous shit over here in Europe, especially in regards to the refugee crisis, but there's rarely if ever a case where someone feels scared like you describe.
>>71767319
You can explain what God is, according to you God exists. So yes, we have reached an impasse, because you're both an atheists and a theist at the same time.
This makes no sense.
>>71767247
>Why would freedom possibly be of any use to a humanist?
For the obvious fact that freedom tends to be the method that makes the most people the most happy. If someone is generally left alone to do what they want to do and as long as that doesn't impede the freedom of others the chances are the overall happiness of the group is higher.
>>71767222
>There is a correlation between atheism and socialism whether you like it or not. I bet you're a state worshipping cuck too considering how upset you are about this.
And finally, there is the ad hominem, the most exposing of all fallacies.
No reason to reason with you anymore. You may be an Atheist but you're still an idiot.
>>71766737
You know nothing of dimensions above or below, Hubris :o)
>>71767451
I have no idea what the fuck was going on there, I tried to talk to him about it but it was actual legit fear. He wasn't just saying that. He was actually afraid of the guy. It doesn't make sense to me.
If I had to guess, it was probably just a limp wristed justification for why he would vote Bernie, because as a libertarian voting for Bernie is cognitive dissonance 2 much.
>>71767536
Atheism often leads to humanism and humanism often leads to the redistribution of wealth or socialism. There certainly is a causation effect between the two.
>>71767457
Ever head of ignosticism?
>>71767457
>You can explain what God is, according to you God exists.
You can explain what a unicorn is. You can explain who Harry Potter is. The difference is that not a single human in history has any proof that either of those things actually lived and interacted with this world and that instead there is strong evidence that both were inventions of some human's imagination.
Let me clarify something. As any libertarian knows, the decisions of individuals are driven by their personal interests.
The people who are thus libertarians, are people who believe it is in their interests to be a libertarian. The people who are thus leftists/socialists, are people who believe it is in their interests to be that.
The reason why atheists are overwhelmingly socialists, is because of what they value in this life. An atheist is by definition a materialist, seeking instant gratification.
The atheists who are libertarians, are those people who believe they will derive more pleasure/happiness from removing government regulation from their lives.
The atheists who are socialists, are those people who believe they will derive more please/happiness from enacting more and more social policies and wealth redistribution, among other things.
>>71758195
Watch the video retard it's not him getting baptized it's him taking about a trend in atheism
>>71766895
No, he has a graduate degree in history and did his dissertation on the history of philosophy.
Which, for what it's worth, is in my opinion a more valuable degree. I teach chemistry at a tier-1 university, and so I see a lot of different curriculum. At least in the College of Humanities here, the philosophy undergrad program is considerably weak on requirements and very postmodern. In terms of grad school, credits in history are much more regimented and require a lot of scholarly learning as opposed to open-ended writing.
>>71767827
>. An atheist is by definition a materialist, seeking instant gratification.
How the fuck does that follow?
>>71758195
>5k downvotes
Can atheists take any criticism? At all? They criticize Christians all the time, but when the shoes on the other foot they get all defensive.
>>71767717
>Atheism often leads to humanism and humanism often leads to the redistribution of wealth or socialism.
Just because Christianity doesn't lead to the distribution of wealth doesn't mean that that isn't a concept deeply ingrained in the bible. You can't use Christian hypocrisy to attack atheists.
>>71767827
>An atheist is by definition a materialist, seeking instant gratification.
So atheists are incapable of having a retirement fund or planting seeds that will eventually yield a crop?
>>71767614
>I tried to talk to him about it but it was actual legit fear. He wasn't just saying that.
I know. It's the case with feminists too. They actually _fear_ white men and it's not just bullshit when they say it, same with the """online harassment""" they talk about. They actually do feel the way they describe and it's fucking ridiculous.
Just, HOW? How on Earth can they actually feel scared like that?
>>71767536
Funny how you resort to ad hominem straight after finding it necessary to point out that what I said could be interpreted as such. Who exactly is the idiot here?
>>71767801
Yes you can explain what an unicorn is. Are you now saying that unicorns are real? I mean they might be, but I sure as hell haven't seen one.
The thing about state is, it's an immaterial imaginary construct. A group of people goes, "okay, we are the state" and then they become your moral arbiter. They are still just a group of people, but the imaginary construct of state is what gives them legitimacy and power, much like God gives legitimacy and power to the Church. Which again is just a group of people.
>>71767475
>For the obvious fact that freedom tends to be the method that makes the most people the most happy.
You are making that assumption.
You are in effect advocating anarchy. And as I've said repeatedly, men have never come together for any length of time except by force. If we were to have the freedom that you advocate, the entire world would collapse into a near-infinite number of tribes and communes.
I would actually agree with you, that people were actually happier in our natural/evolutionary environment, of the primitive-communism of the commune/tribe. But, most people aren't looking forward to going back to that.
And this is where the difference arises. Either you believe that the government can make us more happy, by effectively providing for what is called the "Easterlin's paradox", and making us as equal as possible, to eliminate much of our envy and jealousy. Or you believe that government is hostile to our happiness.
In the case of atheists, who believe that this life is all there is. They prefer the wealth and splendor granted by the state, than to live in some primitive commune.
That isn't to say all atheists feel that way. There are plenty of hippie communes out there.
>>71767869
This. The fact that the fedoras are literally down voting him because of stating a trend, a factual fucking trend, just goes to show atheists can't handle any type of factual evidence that proves them wrong. Hmm. That sounds familiar.
>>71767964
As long as those 5k weren't leftists, then I would say they were justified
>>71767717
Well, I think we both agree in some way. I would call myself an humanist, but not a socialist.
I wouldn't let somebody starve until they die, not a person, not a great ape. But that doesn't make me a socialist. I'm librarian. but basic rights are always above my personal opinions. No he/she/it can be denies basic rights. I'm an evolutionary humanist, when it comes to individual beeings, but I'm an libertarian when it comes to the state. Is this so hard to understand?
>>71768250
But it's not justified. If you downvote something that literally proves you wrong, and you can't accept it, you become just as much as a hypocrite as SJWs
Pathetic argument, his argument in a nutshell is if you remove the delusion of religion, it creates a vacuum that allows Atheism and usually a Western liberal brand of Atheism that has a negative impact on society to flourish. However it is still a delusion and this creates a slippery slope.
>>71760267
???
Where did this "all atheists are leftists" meme start?
A lot of people here are atheist and we are not cucks. In fact, most religious people (as in they go to church) are obnoxious cunts, and follow populist, lefwing gov
>>71768389
Don't forget feminist
>>71767963
>How the fuck does that follow?
An atheist believes this life is all there is. Which means, the goal of life is to make this life as good as possible. You cannot wait for heaven to be rewarded for good behavior, you need to be rewarded now.
If something is unfair or unjust, you can't wait for god to fix it. You have to fix it, right now. Nothing can wait, this is all you have. If there is no justice in this life, then there is no justice.
The atheists who aren't socialists, are basically the atheists who "just want to be left alone". Usually they are people who are healthy, and wealthy, and believe they don't need the help of anyone else for their life's goals. But this is obviously a minority of the population, and it explains why so few women are libertarians/anarcho-capitalists. They cannot make it in this life without support.
>>71768389
> If you downvote something that literally proves you wrong
I haven't seen the video but I sincerely doubt that atheism was disproved.
>Fedoras literally cannot handle the banter
It literally has become r/atheism in here, holy shit.
>>71759279
>>71761131
Pretty much this.
I mean, to me, you're all Harry Potter anyway.
>>71768140
> According to him Rand Paul and Bernie supported atheists, which is why he would vote for them.
You know there are people who would vote for Rand but not for Bernie? (but for the libertarian party instead maybe)
>>71767222
> I bet you're a state worshipping cuck too
there is your ad hominem btzw
>>71768140
>>71768476
When 3/4ths of fedoras vote for Obama, and 4/7ths will vote for Sander's, there's a fucking trend. One that clearly /pol/ is too cucked to see.
All secular countries are either cucked or on the fast track to be cucked. Le religion of peace literally gets better treated by fedoras.
>>71768217
>You are in effect advocating anarchy.
No, I'm advocating the exact opposite of anarchy. In anarchy the most powerful do as they please and human history shows that this includes inflicting harm and suffering on others. A net reduction of happiness. You are making many assumptions about my opinions that aren't true.
You are also making false dichotomies when it comes to the concepts of a state. In most things in life, a healthy balance in the middle is usually best. The state's job isn't to make us as equal as possible, at least in my opinion. It's to provide security both physically and economically for its people.
>>71768605
Thank you Professor Dumbledore.
>>71768703
I know what an ad hominem is, I just find it funny that you'd resort to one straight after calling me out on it. It kind of makes you a hypocrite.
And yes I do, in fact I'm on of those people provided I was an American and had a vote.
>>71764417
>zeitgeist guy
>having any arguments
>>71768708
>there's a fucking trend. One that clearly /pol/ is too cucked to see.
The fucking trend is one candidate usually panders to people who believe in god and the other side usually doesn't. This is basic common sense that people will vote for who they think will advance their interests. There's nothing shocking about your observation on this. Point out to me the people who vote for the things they hate over the things they like. Show me the person who chooses strawberry when his favorite is chocolate.
That person is /v/, but my point still stands.
>>71758195
Religious people love to use state power to enforce their views when they can get away with it. Just look at Muslim countries.
>>71768389
>If you downvote something that literally proves you wrong
>this video
wew, I see you haven't watched it
>>71758580
Dude, just go to your local psychiatrist and get your ADHD meds refilled
>>71768713
>No, I'm advocating the exact opposite of anarchy. In anarchy the most powerful do as they please and human history shows that this includes inflicting harm and suffering on others.
You are again making assumptions.
>The state's job is to provide security both physically and economically for its people.
Its sad that again, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. If that is the state's job, when has that ever actually been true? The state's job is to further the interests of the state, period. Don't be a naive child.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bakunin/rousseau.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBY0bZWKehQ
>>71768895
Well then we maybe share the same view but argue against each other instead against the left alt/neo cons
>>71769195
>You are again making assumptions.
Then please provide a period of human history with little to no government and high amounts of safety and prosperity.
>The state's job is to further the interests of the state, period. Don't be a naive child.
Even if we take your cynical view, the most evil state still needs people to rule over and take tax money from. It's in the opposite interest of a state to have nobody to rule over.
>>71769387
I already argue against them all the time. I don't really care what your position is, if I think you're wrong I'll argue against you.
I thought that Bernie voting libertarian was wrong and I argued against him for days. It's good having lots of free time.
>>71761566
>implying theocracy is bad
>>71758195
He's not really arguing against athiests. I think he just realized what a lot of people are starting to realize about athiesm: that many of the fedora's out there are just as irrational and dogmatic in their beliefs as your average southern Baptist, they just aren't attached to a religious authority.
In many ways, things like Feminism, Multiculturalism, and Socialism take the place of religion for some athiests. They reject science and statistics when they data goes against their egalitarian views or they fudge data in the same ways Christian Scientists do to prove the earth is only 6,000 years old. The believe in things that aren't real like the Wage Gap and Rape Culture.
Lots of athiests aren't the champions of reason and logic they make themselves out to be. Most of them couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
>>71761710
Close your eyes, push away your ego, and attachment to the physical. What do you feel? That is god. There is your evidence. Christ save me from idiot athiests.
>>71759638
If you have time to shitpost here you have time to watch a 38 minute video..
>>71769606
>I thought that Bernie voting libertarian was wrong and I argued against him for days. It's good having lots of free time.
I hope you have the free time of your savings, otherwise I've found the socialist I fund through EU current transfers.
>>71769502
>Even if we take your cynical view, the most evil state still needs people to rule over and take tax money from.
Exactly, which is why the government, and its billionaire corporate media, spend all their time indoctrinating you to believe the government is good. Because you can only be a billionaire media mogul, and a government parasitical class, if you have a group of brainwashed sheep who will continue to support you and give you money.
The theory of libertarianism, is that the government is bad, that humans are flawed, and that you need a government to restrain them. But why would a government of despotic men have any interest in restraining themselves? And who else can realistically restrain them? A democracy is ruled by information(IE propaganda), the people can always be dragged along by the leaders(just as Hermann Goering said).
In effect, libertarianism requires that our leaders are effectively angels. But how can our leaders be angels, if they are but men? If you followed the logic of libertarianism, you must become a voluntaryist(as Molyneux is).
I think his argument is just a sophisticated trolling attempt. His argument is intentionally stupid just to set people talking about it. His argument seems to boil down to "some atheists are bad people, therefore atheism is bad".
>>71769855
So what is you definition of god? If it is some strange feeling, that's not an argument for a personal god at all. The russian bro is alright.
>>71768389
Look I'm an atheist and I'm not a leftist and I t-up the video because it was good entertainment and because it makes a good point about the majority of atheists, but in the end he is wrong when he conflates atheism with leftism so I can understand why people downvote it
>>71769935
I work, my job simply involves being alone with the Internet for long time.
>>71770157
>strange feeling
More like the energy of the universe, which flows through everything. That is god, and the energy deep within us will guide us in our time of need if we believe it will. It is god.
>>71769502
>Then please provide a period of human history with little to no government and high amounts of safety and prosperity.
I'm not even sure wtf you are talking about?
Prosperity as in what? Wealth? Material goods? Why does that even matter.
Imagine for a moment that you are a Hawaiian before the white man showed up. There was basically never any wars, food hung down from all the trees, and you had an ocean full of fish.
Why is this life better than that? Because you have the internet and a cell phone? Because you are less likely to die from disease? So what, you're still going to die. Probably of cancer. Which is agonizingly slow and painful death.
>>71769855
could you elaborate that?
>>71770003
Wait, what?
Atheism is destructive and can't be promoted to normies. Normies need a religion to function. FACT.
When you take away religion they end up going crazy. They start taking drugs. Girls become sluts and fuck niggers. Boys become faggots and trannies. Society goes to hell.
Or they just adopt some other religion to fill the void like Islam or a secular religion like social justice or libertarianism. Some of them even turn atheism into like a pseudo-religion.
All religions are bullshit. Obviously. But we need to keep that fact amongst ourselves. Do NOT try to spread atheism to the normies. Please.
I tried watching the video, but it was just so off base that it really didn't appeal to me at all. I may be atheist but I'm not lefty scum, and I don't care what you believe in. I realize there are some faggots out there that have to pull out the atheism card to appear smart, but that's not everyone.
>>71770442
if im not wrong, tribes used to fight with each other more often than white-man cities did. Im pretty sure life was much more uncertain than what you are making it to be
Hasn't the "pure rational atheist libertarian" been the dankest meme for a while?
The only atheists who are left-leaning I'm aware of are just progressives acting out because of their daddy issues. They aren't atheist so much as they are just "Anti-Christian"
Probably just confirmation bias on my part, though. I have researched nothing on this topic.
>>71767996
What are you talking about? I'm not attacking atheists.
Also, redistribution isn't deeply ingrained in the Bible. Jesus wanted people to voluntarily give to the poor, not have the Jewish client state or the Roman Empire redistribute it. Having the state to force it takes away all virtue of the act, people don't give out of faith or kindness, but because they have to. State redistribution of wealth has nothing to do with the bible.
>>71768284
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
You wouldn't let people starve and I think that's admirable, the question is of course, should the government require people to pay for people who are starving? There's things like foodstamps that allow people to spend their money only on food, that alone would take away a lot of corruption and wellfare abuse.
You put the bar at a decent height, but there will be humanists that demand that the government should also require people to pay for college, healthcare, housing and so on.
I think the confusion is also in part caused by the difference by Europe and North-America. You said some posts back that it's the Christians here who are leftist, while it's the liberals who are atheists. A liberal in the US is a socialist in Europe. In the US the Christians are right-wing and free market, while the seculars and atheists want regulation. Keep in mind that Stefan is from Canada and will thus focus mostly on North-America.
>>71758195
I just wish he wasn't so long winded.
>>71770662
Look, what I'm saying is, the world is controlled by "interests". The people who are libertarians, are those people who see that it is in their interests to be libertarians(IE they don't want to pay taxes, or they want to smoke weed, etc). And the people who are socialists, are those people who see it is in their interests to be socialists(IE they want free stuff).
If the world is controlled by interests, then what are the interests of say, a government employee or politician? His interest is necessarily bound up in the protection and aggrandizement of the state. A government employee, as a general rule, cannot be an advocate for anarchy for instance, because it could mean starvation for him.
This logic can be applied to all "classes" as well. A billionaire, or a member of the media, or a even a small-businessman, each have a vested interest in "the state". Without the state, their wealth, status, and interests could be lost or otherwise violated. As a result, they feel bound by every consideration of interest and safety to defend it.
And in a Democracy, the people are overwhelmingly controlled by information. Which in most forms, comes from what I would call the "corporate media". And the controllers of the media, are billionaires, and their employees, which for the most part, would be put out of work, and lose their lofty positions, if the government was suddenly to cease to exist.
Thus the government, and the media, work together to keep you brainwashed and misinformed. And not just you, but all of their flock.
>>71771086
Progressivism is the religion of most people who I see actively claiming they're atheist/agnostic in public and these people also seem to be extremely anti-christianity.
Also I notice that many self professed atheists will readily switch between atheist and agnostic
The Christian progressive appear to be very weak in their faith, and from what I can tell Christianity is just a supplement to progressivism.
Meanwhile most of the libertarian types seem to shy away from theology, or they'll profess some sort of Christian faith
Make of this what you will, its just based on my observations of other people around Richmond Virginia so I have no way of know how it is elsewhere
>>71758195
>if u are an atheist, ur a leftist
Wrong straight from the get go.
No reason to listen to this cunt any further.
>>71770912
>if im not wrong, tribes used to fight with each other more often than white-man cities did. Im pretty sure life was much more uncertain than what you are making it to be
You're wrong. You've been listening to people like Steven Pinker. Who make huge assumptions about tiny amounts of data from ancient burial sites, on which we have no idea what the context is.
In any case, Pinker is basically a "Hobbesian". Hobbes argues, in his essay "The Leviathan". That in order for men to stop fighting with each other, we need a power "so strong that no one can resist it".
In short, Hobbes is arguing for a one-world government police-state. And if you follow his logic, so is Steven Pinker.
There is certainly plenty of evidence that many tribes were very "war-like", but the vast majority were not. The "progressives" pull out the tribes which were, and pretend to make them representative of all ancient history.
This is something they do when it comes to things like the Dark Ages, or the Vikings, or the Crusades, or even the Spanish Inquisition.
They say "Thousands of people were killed in the Spanish Inquisition, Christianity is so bad."
They ignore the fact that, that was a few thousand over the course of hundreds of years. The state killed between 100 million and 250 million people, in the 20th century alone.
Don't listen to biased sources.
>>71758195
Atheists are truly lost souls that are ruining this world.
Radish goes much, MUCH further than what Molyneux says in his video
https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/reign-of-reason/
I don't wanna fuck you.
>>71758195
>argument against Atheism
Only credible argument against atheism is some unbreakable proof that God (or multiple gods) exist.
Everything else is just pathetic bullshit.
>>71758195
This is how low christ cucks have sunk.
They'll take a video made by an atheist criticizing other atheists and use it to somehow disprove atheism. Because they know they've lost in the science and logic department.
>>71758580
relax, he has started to put out 1 min videos for people like you with low attention span
>>71762444
>Secondly he's an atheist himself.
a "slippery character", if you ask me.
>>71772890
>Because they know they've lost in the science and logic department.
Atheism is just as illogical as Christianity
I'm as right as they come but I bow to no god.
>Atheists are liberals
Yeah no
>>71770379
pantheist heretic.
the pope would have you tortured to death if not for the age of reason.
>>71767320
>Spartan with roman shield.
>>71773057
But liberal atheists outnumber conservative atheists
And libertarians are usually proud cucks in the cultural department
>>71762363
You aren't. Stefan is an atheist.
>>71767536
it's not an ad hominem it's an insult.
just because someone calls you names doesn't mean it's an ad hominem.
get a job Ahmed.
>>71767717
nice slippery slope, nigger.
>>71772890
>They'll take a video made by an atheist criticizing other atheists and use it to somehow disprove atheism. Because they know they've lost in the science and logic department.
Lets understand something, science neither proves nor disproves Christianity. The reason why people are no longer Christians, has nothing at all to do with science. In fact, the more I've learned about science, the more silly it seems to believe we exist for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
In the absence of hard evidence either way, you are left only with a choice of which you prefer. And the choice fundamentally comes down to which serves your own interests. Refer to this post for some context.. >>71771606
The question really is, why would anyone, if given the choice, want to be a Christian in the first place? What benefits are there for believing in god? God only wants to tell you what you can't do. He wants to take your money, and force you to give up your time, either to go to church, or to help other people.
Historically, the Church was the source of the "social-safety net". But as the government is taking over that duty, the Church, and its charities, have played a smaller and smaller role. And when it comes to jobs and other opportunities, it is often much more beneficial to be unaffiliated.
>>71773194
>But liberal atheists outnumber conservative atheists
Based on what data?
>>71773766
>In summary...
If you compare the costs of being a Christian to its benefits. In the presence of the state, it is far more costly to be a Christian than it is beneficial.
This is especially true when you are young, rebellious, often unemployed, living on welfare, promiscuous, and not looking for a wife.
This becomes less and less true as you get older. When you begin to look for a wife, or when you observe the incredibly poor and selfish behavior of those around you, and of course, when you are nearing death.
To believe it has absolutely anything to do with science is downright delusional.
>>71772077
Then read "War Before Civilization" by Lawrence Keeley, who actually delves more into anthropological evidence
>>71773194
>But liberal atheists outnumber conservative atheists
Looking at reddit and berniebros and even my own country, yeah.
Personally though I feel like being left or right has no bearing on whether you believe in god or not.
I don't believe in God.
I don't care about religion.
Why can't all Atheists have this point of view instead of trying to be intellectuals who jerk off to Nietzsche?
>>71774825
The State is an attractive alternative to God. It's a strong indicator.
>>71774968
same reason you give a shit about politics, its all what naive idealists do, they waste their lives giving a shit about the world and its people and weither things turn better or worse
>>71758195
>lefties running to big government to enforce their moral conscious
yet it's the right wingers who supress lgbt and women's rights, it's the right wingers who support putting people in prison for smoking the wrong plant
I'm going to try to finish this video but it's already off to a thoroughly retarded start
>>71775031
>state alternative to God
Jesus does the thinking for this burger
>>71765482
You do know most members or freedomainradio are atheists and so is stefan, right?
>>71774415
Well, from what I can tell, he is doing a lot of cherry-picking(just like everyone else).
Most of his argument rests on the fact that, when tribes went to war with each other, it wasn't uncommon for mortality rates to be well-over 50%.
His argument is thus that, most modern wars only kill between 1% and maybe 10% of the population. Thus comes the conclusion that modern wars are far less barbaric.
What he is ignoring, is the fact that these tribal wars dealt with a relatively small number of individuals, usually in only one community(IE a village). And even in modern wars, it isn't uncommon for morality rates in a given village to be incredibly high. In fact, it isn't uncommon for entire villages to be wiped off the map.
His second flaw is in condensing literally thousands of years of history into a single event. If a tribe was peaceful for hundreds of years, then fought a single, highly-destructive war with one of its neighbors, then he brands that tribe is violent, and pretends as if this single event is representative of the entire tribes history.
In any case, if tribes were as violent as he wants to pretend they were, and with infant-mortality rates as high as they were, who would be left alive to fight all these brutal and destructive wars? It would have taken several generations to recover from even one war.
His purpose of the book, was because all anthropologists before him tended to effectively push forth the notion of the "noble savage" or "peaceful savage". I highly doubt his analysis was any more truthful than theirs, I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
>>71767173
>Atheism is materialism
No it's not. There are atheists who are dualist and believe in afterlife or ghosts.
>>71758195
The main thing I take away from this is that he thinks all atheists of any kind are all trying to change his way of life. I think most people honestly don't care if you are religious. I don;t care if you are a Muslim any more than i care that you are a christian. Saying that just because I don't care does not mean I want it creeping into my life. So as much as he doesn't want atheist moral values creeping into his life i dont want what every religious moral values creeping into mine.
>>71761566
The "Christian right" in America could never establish a theocracy because they lack a unified church. Don't bother using that picture and quote if you're just going to spout nonsense afterward.
