Step your game up Burgerfats.
When asked two weeks ago in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee whether the Army was “outranged” by any adversary, U.S. Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley said: “Yes … the ones in Europe, really Russia. We don’t like it, we don’t want it, but yes, technically [we are] outranged, outgunned on the ground.”
http://warontherocks.com/2016/04/outnumbered-outranged-and-outgunned-how-russia-defeats-nato/
>>71749672
A leaf
we need mo money fo dem weapons programs
>>71749672
The thing about the Pentagon is, they always need more lawyers, guns, and money.
>>71749672
Counting the “Very High Readiness Joint Task Force” (VJTF), NATO could optimistically deploy elements from three airborne infantry brigades, one Stryker brigade, and one U.S. armor brigade. Russia would achieve initial advantages in tanks (7:1), infantry fighting vehicles (5:1), attack helicopters (5:1), cannon artillery (4:1), long-range rocket artillery (16:1), short-range air defense (24:1), and long-range air defense (17:1).
Outranged? But the problem is not just numbers. The Russians field cannon and rocket artillery with significantly longer ranges than their U.S. counterparts. Existing Army tube artillery can generally fire at targets 14 to 24 kilometers (9 to 15 miles) away. Unfortunately, the most common Russian self-propelled howitzer NATO forces would encounter in the Baltics has a range of 29 kilometers (or 19 miles). On the battlefield, these differences matter.
Moreover, at the moment, the United States has no Multiple-Launch Rocket System units deployed in Europe, but even if it were, and the range of its primary rocket is only 40–70 kilometers (25–44 miles) depending on payload. Meanwhile, Russian forces are richly equipped with two rocket artillery systems with ranges up to 90 kilometers (56 miles).
Outgunned? Here the evidence is somewhat less clear, but the situation is certainly far less favorable to the United States than it is accustomed to. While Russia’s tanks and IFVs in some cases share the same designations as those that U.S. forces encountered in Iraq in 1991 and 2003, those weapons have little in common besides the name. They have much more advanced armor, weapons, and sensors, and in some areas — such as active protection systems to defend against anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) — are superior to their Western counterparts.
>>71749808
Given Russia’s aggression in the Ukraine, this is sobering testimony. But is it accurate? Unfortunately, yes: Nearly two years of extensive wargaming and analysis shows that if Russia were to conduct a short-warning attack against the Baltic States, Moscow’s forces could roll to the outskirts of the Estonian capital of Tallinn and the Latvian capital of Riga in 36 to 60 hours. In such a scenario, the United States and its allies would not only be outranged and outgunned, but also outnumbered.
Outnumbered? While the Russian army is a fraction of the size of its Soviet predecessor and is maintained at a level of imperfect readiness, we found that it could — in 10 days or so — generate a force of as many as 27 fully ready battalions (30–50,000 soliders in their maneuver formations, depending on precisely how they were organized) for an attack on the Baltics while maintaining its ongoing coercive campaign against Ukraine.
>>71749879
If a fight broke out today in the Baltics, Russian attack helicopters, IFVs, and even some tanks could employ ATGMs with an effective range that could penetrate the armor of most if not all NATO combat vehicles, including the U.S. M1 tank. The M1s might maintain a slight advantage in the close-in fight, if they survived to get there. But given the current U.S. posture, there would at best be only a few dozen on the field, compared to about 450 Russian. The Baltic states themselves have no heavy armor, and our analysis indicates that no other European heavy forces could make it to the frontlines in time to influence the outcome of a short-warning Russian assault.
Beyond the disadvantages of being outnumbered, outranged, and outgunned, a slew of other issues compounds the problem. First, NATO allies and the U.S. military would be of limited immediate help offsetting these disadvantages. European allies followed the American lead by cutting armor and optimizing their remaining forces for “out-of-area” missions like Afghanistan. Thus, Great Britain is continuing with plans to withdraw its last troops from Germany, while Germany has reduced its army from a Cold War level of 10 heavy divisions to the equivalent of two.
But it’s not just the numbers here that matter. The United States and its partners have also steadily reduced the infrastructure necessary to support any kind of substantial deterrent or defensive effort in Europe. Today, there are no U.S. division or corps headquarters forward-based on the continent, nor any Army aviation, engineer, and associated logistics brigades. Our analysis — which assumed brigades could be received, moved to the front, and then commanded, controlled, and supported once there — may have ignored significant shortfalls in all these dimensions. Deploying brigades is not enough. Without a plan, without adequate logistics, without robust command and control, a better-prepared adversary would still overwhelm NATO.
>>71749911
Second, airpower has long been the U.S. trump card, and the Army relies on it to deliver fire support and protect its units from enemy air attack. This reliance has reduced the amount of artillery it deploys with its maneuver forces and, for all intents and purposes, has stripped them of organic air defenses.
While these choices were entirely sound in facing the Taliban and Iraq’s air force and integrated air defenses, Russia is an entirely different story. Russia fields perhaps the most formidable array of surface-to-air missile (SAM) defenses in the world. Operating from locations within Russian territory, these SAMs far outrange existing defense-suppression weapons and present a credible threat to U.S. and allied airpower that would be costly and time-consuming to counter. Unlike recent American wars, getting air support will not be as easy as making a call and waiting. Especially in the crucial early days of any conflict, allied ground forces may find air support available only in narrow windows of time and space.
And third, the Russians possess a credible air force of their own. Our analysis shows that Moscow could commit hundreds of fighter, attack, and bomber aircraft to an assault on the Baltic states. While such forces are ultimately qualitatively and quantitatively inferior to the alliance’s airpower, when teamed with Russia’s surface-to-air defenses, such forces could present a threat to U.S. and allied ground forces moving to reinforce or counterattack. Without ground-based air defenses of their own, and with limited overhead cover from NATO air forces, U.S. Army formations could suffer serious attrition from enemy air attack for the first time since World War II.
>>71749672
Fire up the warmachine, and get rid of Obama!!!!!
Weeeooooo, this is not a drill, weeeeeeooo
Call the military industrial complex, I want F-35s, A-10s, and get me more drones god damnit.
>>71749737
this guy gets it
>>71749672
Scaremongering for funding has been going on forever.
>In the 1961 edition of his famous textbook of economic principles, Paul Samuelson wrote that GNP in the Soviet Union was about half that in the United States but the Soviet Union was growing faster. As a result, one could comfortably forecast that Soviet GNP would exceed that of the United States by as early as 1984 or perhaps by as late as 1997 and in any event Soviet GNP would greatly catch-up to U.S. GNP.
>>71749672
>Yes … the ones in Europe
>Implying european countries have no army
>Implying europe can't defend itself
>>71750340
Its implying that Russia can take out the Butthurt Belt relatively easily. IF the Butthurt Belt is kill then the entire US system of allieances collapses.
>>71749672
WE HAVE NUKES YOU IDIOT
NUKES
THOUSANDS AND THOUSAND OF NUKES
WORLD-DESTROYING POTENTIAL
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE
UNLESS YOUR FLAG SAYS U.S. OR RUSSIA
GET OVER IT LEAFNIGGER
WW3 IS NOT HAPPENING
>>71749672
Stop being fucking stupid. Just the sheer amount of US bodies and ammunition, even thrown from a catapult, would destroy Russia.
People saying Russia stands a chance against Russia are warhawks looking to sell more weapons.
>>71749672
Why would we fight a war with Russia? For Ukraine? Get the fuck out of here with that. We need an ally against ISIS and Russia is doing our dirty work for us
>>71750468
>>71750452
This is what would actually happen:
peaking Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski said he feared that Russian President Vladimir Putin might try to invade the Baltic countries in a lightning move that could take the West by surprise.
“One day, and I literally mean one day, he just seizes Riga and Tallinn [the capitals of Latvia and Estonia, respectively]," he said. "That would literally take him one day. There's no way they could resist. And then we will say ‘how horrible, how shocking, how outrageous.’ But, of course, we cannot do anything about it."
Were that to happen, he said, the West would not engage in a Normandy type of landing, a reference to the landing of Allied forces in Nazi-occupied France during World War II, to take back those countries.
http://www.voanews.com/content/brzezinski-says-united-states-and-allies-should-deploy-force-to-baltics/2609504.html
>>71749672
Hes talking about Syria, which is true since we aren't doing shit there and Russiastan has its entire military busting it's ass there
Nice try leaf
>>71749992
>what are nuclear arms
>>71750602
> 40 planes
> Entire Military
>>71750340
>Implying europe can't defend itself
You can't, and it's laughable for you to even try to suggest it
You should never forget that western soldiers(nato, us and faggs) are very low on morale and fighting/dying spirit while slavs are literally waiting for a deathmatch.
You will never brake the salv mentaly, never break their will to LIBERATE AND FUGG Evropean cutes
>Anybody
>Outranging United "10 supercarriers" States
>>71749806
lol nice i love zevon
>outgunned
j e j
>>71750830
>implying your country isn't worth the risk.
Mother russia will be united with her children no matter the cost
>>71750983
> no.1 military
> 560b
> no. 2 military
> 60b
Based Russians
>>71749672
The US would never be involved with a one on one war with Russia. It is likely that all NATO forces and then some would ally with us.
Outgunned 1v1 = yeah probably
>>71749672
Maplefaggots know no shit 'bout us
>>71749672
>he doesn't know that generals always say this so they can get that juicy funding
are canadians genuinely autistic or just shit trolls?
>>71751093
>finishing 10 minutes behind the first place winner in a mile sprint is admirable
>>71749701
>>71750602
>saying leaf is a counter argument
whats with your obsession? can you not see trees outside of your cuckshed burgerfat?
>>71750983
>Amerifats spending almost 10 time more money for a slight better military than russia
holy shit, jew are fucking you up pretty well Amerika Freund
USA confirmed shit tier military.
>>71750632
I am sure he means excluding that.
>>71750694
>UE has a population of 500 millions, Russia has 150 millions , we can outnumbered them, plus france and england have pretty damn good armies.
>>71751504
It gets worse:
It's not just the missile launch centers: Each of the U.S. nuclear delivery systems is approaching obsolescence. The Air Force's largest fleet of bombers dates back to the Kennedy administration. The Navy's armada of missile-carrying submarines is nearing the end of its designed life, and the warheads they carry are nearly three decades old, on average.
Though the launch silo is a relic of the Cold War, it is routinely maintained and updated, and still provides the U.S. with a more lethal nuclear strike capability than that of any other nation. The debate over spending billions for modernization hinges in large part on how essential these Cold War systems remain when the most common security threats are low-tech insurgencies and domestic terrorist strikes.
***
The argument for upgrading got a boost this year in Ukraine, when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula and supported separatists fighting to wrest control of the nation's eastern provinces. In the midst of the crisis, Putin reminded the world that his nation remained "one of the leading nuclear powers" and that "it's best not to mess with us."
Russia's newest missile, the RSM-56 Bulava, is submarine-based with a range of about 5,000 miles. After a series of failed test launches, the missile successfully conducted its first operational test last month from the new class of submarine, the Boreis.
In 2010, Russia deployed the land-based RS-24 Yars intercontinental ballistic missile on mobile launchers and in silos. It is designed to outsmart the U.S. missile defense system, according to a recent report by the National Air and Space Intelligence Center. Russia retains 1,200 warheads on its fleet of ICBMs.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nukes-silos-20141110-story.html
>>71751631
Fuck off, Shitaly. I'd happily side with Russians than fight with you.
>>71751810
Russia will give you bavaria and that one province italy stole from you
Faggot loving Americans on damage control, watch out
Russia cannot and will not ever be defeated. They will gladly burn their own cities to the ground. Kill their own people and fight like guerrillas in Siberia until you die from the cold.
>>71751800
The Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile was first deployed during the Nixon Administration. Though the missiles have been swapped out with a new skin and innards, the Air Force still uses the same ancient command and control infrastructure.
That technology, which the USAF uses to control and monitor the missiles, is crumbling:
— There’s more computing power in a first-generation iPhone than our ICBM force.
— Some replacement parts were built by companies that went out of business decades ago.
— Simple day-to-day tasks, routine during the peak of the Cold War, now take hours of wrench-turning, just to keep the deterrent on its feet.
The Minuteman fleet is on its last legs. A new system presents challenges that were foreign during the Cold War. Digging new, survivable underground bunkers could run afoot of a mountain of environmental regulations written after the Minuteman IIIs first went on alert. If the ICBMs went mobile, on roads or railways like the Russians or Chinese are wont to do, people near travel routes could create challenging political pressures.
http://nation.time.com/2013/01/23/the-nations-icbm-force-increasingly-creaky-broken-missiles/
>>71751810
You will do whatever frau angela wants you to do.
>>71752490
> listening to a banker-jew puppet who is also a foreign woman, during a war
We have the best relations with Russia out of all Europeans, Mario.
You know that the pentagon just says this shit so they can get new fancy toys, right?
They did this for years, my father even remebers when this was going on with the YF-23 vs YF-22 debacle. Recently with the F-35, replacing the Kiowa, etc.
YES.
I even filtered US flags on /pol/. Fuck you
>>71752888
polska kurva in Britbongistan?
/k/ here, you /pol/acks are being shilled so hard right now. Of course Russia will take the baltics, they always will no matter what we do. We can't put our entire army there without starting world war 3, and DESU we aren't really that committed to their defense anyways.
Also, we have as many air superiority fighters as Russia has planes in their entire Air Force. In a week our Air Force alone would reck theirs, and then it doesn't matter what the balance is in terms of ground forces, we'll fuck their IADS in a few hours and rape all their tanks. This is just one facet of why this argument is pointless, Russia knows they can't win a conventional war, that's why they don't attack.
And with nukes and stuff it's pointless even talking about all this.
>>71753530
> /k/ here
Fuck off back to your hugbox.
>>71750248
Now that shit is just comical.
>>71750632
NUKES
ARE
FOR
PUSSIES
>>71749672
>falling for the stronk russian army meme
>not realizing that unlike warmongering patriotic shills, average russian wants nothing more than to be left alone
>actually thinking people will seriosly go to war for P*tin, Yakunin or Rotenberg
>>71753880
>>71753833
Thanks for your backup Swede-bro. I'm glad you agree that the U.S. would win a war against Russia due to our strategic military projection
>>71753977
Explains America nuking Japan, before Soviets rekt them.
>>71749672
Why are the Russian shills who continually make threads like this always Canadian?
>>71754040
Nobody is gonna leave you alone faggot.
Eurasia is the most important region on this planet. And you just happen to occupy half of it.
>>71753833
This makes me happy.
>>71749672
I'm not concerned.
>>71753833
> NATO base in Kazakhstan
wut
In any case 90% of the "bases" there, are manned by 50 people.
>>71749672
>771,000 people in Russia's army
>1,301,300 people in Americas army.
Op=Proxyfag.
>>71749672
Russia might have a chance on the ground, however their navy and air force would be ripped apart in an instant. Both of which you'd need to fight a conventional war with the U.S. If the US and Russia fought itd end with nuclear strike and fuck up the world. Soooooooo yeah
>>71755598
>Fuck Up The World
Isn't the blast radius of a nuke 5km though?
>>71754698
baby gadgets will not save your sorry ass in a mayhem
>>71755718
Let him dream.
>>71755718
Radiation.
>>71755952
Radiation is not permanent, also it doesn't have a shit ton of range.
0/10 Made me reply.
>>71752761
>We have the best relations with Russia out of all Europeans, Mario.
Don't think so, we're bro-tier with russia.
Russian love italy and we love russia, i don't even know if the average russian man knows where austria is.
>>71755952
Forgot about the radiation, but I don't think a nuke will have that amount of lasting radiation
And in case a war like this would manifest, it wouldn't happen within a single day, it would take some time, people would try to prevent it as much as they can which would give enough time for governments all over the world to construct bomb shelters desu
>>71749672
>A nation whose roads are impassible during the winter, has a population where 1 in 8 has AIDS, whose military vehicles still rely on the use of Vacuum Tubes will defeat the U.S military.
also
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>71756129
>literally posting Berlusconi
muh middle-school tier russia vs american thread
How about we put aside past differences and work together to kill sand niggers, migrants and those damn chinks?
>>71755718
Multiple ICBMs would be launched.
>>71756322
OP confirmed to be divisive jew.
>>71749672
No they wouldnt, America would press the nuke button before russia would. Russia and america need to find a common ground or they are gonna cause the collapse of modern civilization as we know it.
>>71756257
In a regional conflict in the Baltics, they propably would.
>>71755891
King George the III probably said the same thing right before George Washington ran over him with an Abrams tank.
>>71753880
Wtf us base in france
How it's possible?
>>71755374
Woman and transgender i suppose
>>71756731
US and France have been allies for quite a while now so I don't see why not
>>71756920
Because we were strongly against that just some decade ago, fucking leftist and cuckservateur who install foreign military base in our land what a shame
>>71749672
>muh Baltics
Who gives a shit, for fuck's sake. Stop buying into your own propaganda.
>>71750593
>Zbigniew Brzezinski
Yeah, completely legit and not a war-mongering Russian-hating neocon.
Daily reminders that poles suck dick.
Daily reminder the west waged economic war on Russia and wiped hundreds of billions off Russia's economy whilst all Russia could do was ban cheese.
USA and Europe literally put Russia into a depression they are still trying to crawl out of.
>>71756129
I actually know.
Russia would try and send ground troops through Alaska and there they would die. Unlike your cuck countries we have guns. Lots of guns.
>>71758959
Hey Russia, just curious, but do you own a .308 that you assembled yourself using parts off the internet? I do.
>>71750417
That's what happens when you turn men into pussies. Feminists will cause it.
>>71759617
Or CC a 10mm?
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LpoWVDl.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>71759617
guns for show knives for a pro
>>71758724
This is a pretty common theme if you look at our foreign policy. lol
>>71759951
Do you own auto knives like we do? Nope.
>>71760093
>.308
I live in 500k city so criminals really rare here and I don't bother myself for self defence. Some Moscow tards really takes auto or butterfly knives on a daily route.
Having a gun kinda troublesome.
Better to have some knives collection for hunting or fishing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46Zmkh-eVs
>>71751427
>implying 1$ buys the same in USA and Russia
>>71749672
> warontherocks.com
0/10
good luck commie faggots LOL
>>71753880
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER AUSTRALIA
>>71749672
>he doesnt know about the anti-matter powered attack fighters given to us by the federation of light.
I wish a country would declare war motherfucker.
Why would America even want to fight this? Just sell equipment to Germany and let them handle it.
>>71759951
they're silent, innit
>>71761448
You'd better to sell them your niggers.
Now they have not enough.
I always wondered if i have dual citizenship with ukraine and russia takes over does that mean i get the best if both worlds?
