Why are libertarians, and reactionary-conservative "redpilled" 18-25 year olds such terrible people?
>they don't care about their nation
>they don't care about their race
>they don't care about the past struggles of their forefathers
>they don't care about the future after they're gone
And talking to them about the environment and the mass extinction currently going on, is like talking to a liberal who believes: "not all Muslims"
Are these people "redpilled", or are they brain dead?
>>71736088
If men are inherently evil no government can control them.
If men are inherently good, no law is necessary.
Libertarians attempt to take a moral high ground of economic prosperity, but with the same ideal that man can govern himself at all times in all places.
>>71736088
>>71736088
libertarianism is basically a religion, the irrational belief that letting people do whatever they want will always produce the best results at all time (combined with middle school tier philosophy like "TAXATION IS THEFT DURR")
>with the same ideal that man can govern himself at all times in all places.
Do you believe men to be capable of this?
>>71737060
Why don't they realize that man always gets the most done when they all have a common goal and something to work together for?
>>71736088
It's called minding your own fucking business. Do you really think you have it all figured out? You, of all people, slamming your fat little chocolate-glazed fingers on a greasy keyboard, posting on anime imageboard, think you're qualified to tell everyone how to live their lives?
>>71737060
On principle it doesn't matter that it may not always yield the most desirable results. Who is anybody to tell anybody how they can live their lives?
>>71736088
>>they don't care about their nation
>>they don't care about their race
How can you say this when you support forced integration, the subsidization of degeneracy, and replacing the traditional family with the state?
>But my authoritarian government would never act like Sweden!
To the politician, power always comes before nationalism. You may get the occasional Hitler who actually cares about his people (though it's debatable if that did Germany any good in the end), but the next leader is all the more likely to bow to corporate or progressive interests.
It's only when private property is protected, when property owners are free to discriminate against degenerates and people not of their nation, that nationalism can be preserved.
>>71736088
>>71737341
Me, of course not
But do you really think the immensely rich won't rule your lives in a libertarian world?
>>71737521
>Who is anybody to tell anybody how they can live their lives?
Your life is far less important than you think. Don't you aspire to be anything more than yourself? To help create something truly amazing?
Civilizations, immense architecture, beautiful art, and progress in general, don't come into existence with that (the libertarian) mindset
>>71737798
I completely agree.
Private property is a must. It helps incentivize productivity.
I don't want to live under the iron boot of an authoritative government. But at the same time I think we need a goal. There's no reason we shouldn't take the best from many groups of thought when it comes to government.
That's my main problem with most libertarians. They seem to be unwilling to acknowledge the flaws of there ideas.
Actually libertarianism would completely destroy degeneracy. It's human nature to be tribalistic. If the State's social safety net collapsed, it would be survival of the fittest. Junkies, alcoholics and other money-sucking degenerates would starve to death on the streets while the virtuous workers passed by them without giving change and just mumbling offensive names at them.
>>71736088
your an idiot
prior to 1933 america was a libertarian country, without open borders, which had a Whites only immigration policy
this open borders bullshit has been tacked onto libertarianism deliberately to discredit it, and push people towards wonderful jewish collectivism
>>71737521
humans are a social animal, and we are fundamentally interconnected. It is childish to try to pull the wool over our eyes and pretend like we have any right just be a hermit in modern society
>>71737060
>the irrational belief that letting people do whatever they want
>letting
wow, an american that doesn't understand natural rights, what a faggot
and are you claiming that tax is voluntary?
>>71738058
>Civilizations, immense architecture, beautiful art, and progress in general
I assume you're referring to the privately funded architecture, art, and sciences of the Renaissance period.
>>71738403
The problem is that "a little bit of authoritarianism" doesn't work. You either have an authoritarian state or you don't.
>>71738405
hey einstein, rich people are some of the most "degenerate" of all.
>>71736088
Sounds like you were triggered by someone on the internet.
>>71736088
>Muh nation!
A mongrel empire of poorly educated consumer whores who spend most of their time tweeting about Kardashians led via propaganda by a few investment banking cartels.
>Muh race!
About a billion people, most of whom you have nothing in common with and almost all of whom disagree with you.
>Muh forefathers!
99 percent of us are descended from illiterate peasants who only struggled because they were threatened to struggle on behalf of the lord cucking him
>they don't care about the future after they're gone
Why the fuck would you? People in the present don't care about you, why would you care about people who don't even exist?
>>71738532
>It is childish to try to pull the wool over our eyes and pretend like we have any right just be a hermit in modern society
You do have that right, though you would quickly starve to death. No libertarian is saying everyone should live in an atomic bubble, but rather that civilization flourishes under free and voluntary interaction.
Libertarians believe in natural laws, for some reason. They rely solely on their feels. If they truly valued freedom they'd be anarchists. They want government so long as it works for them in their favor.
>>71738545
>wow, an american that doesn't understand natural rights, what a faggot
ooh, a libertarian speaking from his book on fairy tales again! Natural rights are good ideals, but keep in mind they don't actually exist in the world.
>and are you claiming that tax is voluntary?
it usually isn't, and that doesn't matter. It works out all the better that there is a monopoly of power in society.
>>71738577
That but really I didn't say it well.
I just want to know how we can get people to work together again, create communities, and live to better ourselves and this country.
Besides a war, how can we get our society to have a purpose again. Both for themselves individually, and for the country as a whole?
>>71736088
You fucking more we so care about those things, the only people who do not are leftist/cucks.
>>71738834
> but rather that civilization flourishes under free and voluntary interaction.
why is it that you when you point out libertarian doesn't work out in society, they resort to the philosophical argument, and when you destroy that they go back to magical belief that libertarianism somehow is good for people?
Free markets are good, personal choice is good, but there are many instances where its better if the government takes the reins.
>>71738532
>hermits
You imply that we contribute nothing for the common good. I would even say that individualism contributes to the common good more so than collectivism does as far as culture is concerned.
>>71738905
there is a middle ground between communist destruction of the self and the libertarian "fuck y'all I got mine" mentality. You can have a society that values individual agency yet still acknowledges we should care for each other and need to take concerted action.
>>71739450
meant for
>>71739081
>>71738894
>his book on fairy tales again!
what the fuck are you talking about, you colossal flaming homosexual faggot?
>Natural rights are good ideals, but keep in mind they don't actually exist in the world
thanks for confirming you don't know anything about freedom or liberty. or your own countries history
>it usually isn't, and that doesn't matter.
if it isn't voluntary then it must be forced
what is taking money by force called again? I forget
>>71739080
>why is it that you when you point out libertarian doesn't work out in society
worked for 200 years in america
>>71738714
>muh nation
Exactly, it needs to be fixed. Running away may work for you. But it's a problem our future children will have to deal with. I hope they're more willing to fight for something than you are
>muh race
I'm genetically similar to everyone in my race. Without the rest of my race, I'd be completely alone in this world.
The European race can achieve amazing things when they work together, but not with thinking like yours
>muh forefathers
Wrong, many of my forefathers were very intelligent. If you're smart your ancestors were pretty smart as well.
Our ancestors made this nation what it was. They propelled Europe far past the rest of the world. And created western science, philosophy, art and many other things.
You're a worthless human if you'd throw all that away for your own little gain
>they don't care about the future after they're gone
Because why else would you want to live if it wasn't for something more than just yourself? There's so much we could accomplish and its people with your mindset and the like that hold us back
>>71739649
>The European race can achieve amazing things when they work together, but not with thinking like yours
When? Europeans hate each other and have always hated each other.
>>71738853
They want minimal limited government. Libertarians acknowledge that government is necessary but they believe government is causing a majority of problems in the U.S because they have too much power. Libertarians want to see exactly how small they can make government without instability
>>71739517
>what the fuck are you talking about, you colossal flaming homosexual faggot?
>thanks for confirming you don't know anything about freedom or liberty. or your own countries history
n o t a n a r g u m e n t
>if it isn't voluntary then it must be forced
>what is taking money by force called again? I forget
I never said it wasn't theft (what you call it is just a semantics game), it just doesn't matter if it is.
>worked for 200 years in america
america's greatness comes from canals, roads, government funded research, square deal reforms COMBINED with the power of individual enterprise. Libertarians only care about one solid of this coin (and of course are completely economic illiterates who believe in mostly defunct schools of economics)
>>71739815
when?
Europeans have worked together many times. Do wars negate all they have done.
If you really don't think Europeans have achieved anything you have no idea what your talking about
so why do you love collectivism/statism so much?
do you prefer taking from others by playing on their heart strings like some kind of beggar, or is outright theft your preferred method?
>>71739837
you failed to answer what my magic book was
>it just doesn't matter if it is.
moron supports theft but pretends it's not theft, until he is shown that it is, then says "WAAA I DON'T CAAAARE!"
>mostly defunct schools of economics
you mean ones that weren't taught by jews?
>>71740079
I cannot think of any vast, international projects carried about by Europeans, but I am very much willing to be enlightened.
>>71739649
>But it's a problem our future children will have to deal with.
The children are far left berniefags, they already disagree with you and they haven't even been born yet. They spend their time staring into phones, they're not thinking about fighting for your personal crusade.
>I'm genetically similar to everyone in my race.
Which has about as much impact on your daily life as sharing the same first two digits of your SSN. You're far more influence by where you live, who you associate with, your education level, what you eat, etc.
>And created western science, philosophy, art and many other things.
You're looking at an aggregate of human knowledge from countless societies and races, each of whom had exceptional individuals that made contributions. Statistically, almost all of us are descended from illiterate drunken tenant farmers, all of whom made no significant contribution regardless of race.
>There's so much we could accomplish
I remember being a naive 19 year old ODing Neil Degrasse Tyson sophistry and bullshit platitudes. Guess what, nobody outside of your nuclear family and immediate associates care about you. There's no great cause, there's no "we", and there's no end goal.
I wish there were an ideology somewhere between libertarianism and conservatism. Even most libertarians admit their ideology would never work unless perfect conditions are met.
>>71740283
>you failed to answer what my magic book was
not a literal book, it is a figure of speech to imply that your just making shit up
>so why do you love collectivism/statism so much?
great argument
>do you prefer taking from others by playing on their heart strings like some kind of beggar, or is outright theft your preferred method?
I'm upper middle class, but again, continue making such great arguments
>moron supports theft but pretends it's not theft, until he is shown that it is, then says "WAAA I DON'T CAAAARE!"
Great imitation of me spot on
>you mean ones that weren't taught by jews?
another great argument
why can't "logical" libertarians make a single argument that isn't ad hom, hyperbole, or doesn't otherwise succumb to a basic logical fallacy?
>>71740621
There aren't any. Closest you'll come is the Crusades, which was largely a disunified land grab by a handful of barons. As for their attitudes to each other, one peasant speaking English and one peasant speaking French have absolutely no feelings about each other whatsoever. Not hatred and not affection.
They get it from their parents/teachers.
the funny thing is youth used to rebel against their parents ideas, nowadays they just repeat them word for word.
>>71741389
>They get it from their parents/teachers.
I don't know where you grew up, but public education leans far, far left.
>>71741389
>he thinks parents/teachers are libertarian
what fucking world do you live in?
>>71740734
>Which has about as much impact on your daily life as sharing the same first two digits of your SSN
wrong, a nation is defined by common blood
are you a kike?
>, all of whom made no significant contribution regardless of race.
like the computer you are posting on, electricity, the internet etc?
>>71741057
>not a literal book
oh I see, you just make shit up to disparage people, ok
>so why do you love collectivism/statism so much?
>great argument
that you didn't answer
>do you prefer taking from others by playing on their heart strings like some kind of beggar, or is outright theft your preferred method?
>I'm upper middle class, but again, continue making such great arguments
still not an answer
being upper middle class doesn't prevent you benefitting from statisms theft
>Great imitation of me spot on
at least we can agree on that
>you mean ones that weren't taught by jews?
>another great argument
muh socialism, you theiving bastard scumbag
>why can't "logical" libertarians make a single argument that isn't ad hom, hyperbole, or doesn't otherwise succumb to a basic logical fallacy?
I did, but you failed to answer any of them, thus proving me correct
now run along little kikey socialist theif
>>71736088
But you don't understand OP.
None of those things matter if the individual isn't free.
>>71741039
I dunno that's basically where I consider myself. Maybe like a libertarian leaning business conservative? Who knows.
TAXATION IS THEFTH!!1111!1!!1! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>71742547
>>71740283
>>71740079
>Europeans have worked together many times
Yes they did. To genocide other people, or grabbing land.
Just because every white in America is the same mutt race, it doesn't mean we are all the same in Europe
>>71741613
>but public education leans far, far left.
"libruls" claim that education leans right.
>>71743357
I recognize a couple of those, but libertarianism is a White goy invention, all those jews are from the last hundred years, america was libertarian from 1776 to 1933
>>71742547
>wrong, a nation is defined by common blood
Pakistani blood in your case.
>>71742644
>MUH FREEDUMB!!!11!!11!!11
>MUH FEELZ!!1!!!!!1!1!!
>>71743357
>Libertarianism is a Jewish Conspiracy!
>Communism is a Jewish Conspiracy!
Make up your mind /pol/acks.
>>71743412
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>>71743616
Why can't they both be jewish conspiracies?
>>71743613
>Libertarianism is about feels
kek, points for originality leftypleb.
>>71743213
Nice straw man there, friendo.
You do realize the whole issue with saying something is "free" only applies to the government forcibly taking resources through taxation and providing those "free" things. No libertarian gives a shit if an individual or business voluntarily gives things away on their own free will.
>>71736088
Depends on how extreme they are op. Not all libtards think like this. It's the same thing for just about every group, except Muslims, they're crazy.
>>71743616
jews have infiltrated libertarianism to make it open borders, pro degeneracy etc
you really didn't know that 300 or the 383 top leaders of the bolshevik revolution were jewish? despite them being 2% of the population? well over 75% from only 2%?
>>71743571
>america was libertarian from 1776 to 1933
Yet only achieved superpower status some years after, hmmm.
Slavery was a thing in most of those years
>>71743616
Everything is the fault of the jews. My bad score in a math test was the fault of the jews and their conspiracy to make me, a white aryan nationalistic man, with mostly GERMAN ancestry, a fat unemployed neckbeard without life aspirations
>>71743624
ebin pasta
>MUH ROOOOOOOOADS MUH ROOOOOOOADS! CHECKMATE, LIBERTITTIES! AHAHAHAHHA!
>LIBERTARIES WANT OPEN BAORDERS!1!1 LMAO!!!!!!!!
>AHHAHAHAHA 14/88 STUPID LIBERTARIANS BTFO ONCE AGAIN, HEIL HITLER!
>LIBERTARDS WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP! HOW PEOPLE SPPOSED TO SURVIVE IF NO LAAAAAAAWS?!?!?!? XD
>>71743921
>you really didn't know that 300 or the 383 top leaders of the bolshevik revolution were jewish?
Sure and most Nobel Prize winners in all categories are Ashkenazi Jews. That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy, it just means that they are highly intelligent people.
>>71743931
>Slavery was a thing in most of those years
jews dominated the slave trade
>Yet only achieved superpower status some years after
what's so great about being a superpower? being able to bully other countries?
I thought you lefty pricks cared about the people, or at least pretended to
>>71743887
>MUH VOLUNTARIE!!111!!!1!!!!
>GET OUT GOVENRMENT, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
snek.jpg
>>71743958
Never heard a satisfactory alternative to government roads
>>71744194
Holy fuck you have absolutely no arguments. Neck yourself jorge
>>71743931
Filtered.
You've been bested at your own game, tripfaggot. There's nothing you can do to reverse what I've just done. You wanted attention so you donned a tripcode. Now you literally cease to exist for me. I'll never see another one of your posts ever again. You can respond to my post but it will be utterly, utterly futile. I won't be able to read it. Chances are others have filtered you based on your vain attempts to draw attention to yourself in this thread, but did not announce it. In addition to this, others will follow my example and filter you based on this post. You have no recourse here, no plan, no fallback. If you had just posted anonymously you could have gotten the attention you so desperately need by making actual thought-provoking, intelligent posts. Now your world will just get smaller and smaller until your posts aren't visible by anyone.
You are defeated, tripfaggot. Completely and thoroughly vanquished.
byeee
The level of anti-libertarian sentiment is not surprising. Studies on the relationship between politics and psychology have repeatedly shown that libertarians have more masculine traits, are more independent, and rely less on emotional analysis/moral platitudes and systemizing. What works, what is the end game in regards to cost-benefit analysis?
Of course statists and collectivists, like your average SJW, are averse to this level of personal autonomy because it's intimidating, so they validate this fear with aggressive emotional rhetoric and turn to their fellow statists to chime in with them. It's hilarious to see it in action, especially in /pol/ of all places, where you would think the "redpilling" would make these neckbeards consider libertarianism reasonable.
All you really need is to control the borders to maintain racial cohesion and everything else can fall into place. Also remember, libertarianism is not anarchism. There is a government and a military and a police department.
>>71738545
>Natural Rights
Who the fuck grants you those?
>they don't care about their nation
>they don't care about the past struggles of their forefathers
Having a vision for our nation that's more closely aligned with our founding fathers, yet we don't care about our nation or its past struggles. Okay buddy.
>>71744097
>That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy, it just means that they are highly intelligent people
leading a revolution in a foreign land is an intellectual persuit is it? they assign positions by IQ test? or is it done through ruthlessness, blood thirstiness and amount of support for the cause?
and who is on the committee that gives out the lame noobel prize?
>>71744292
>>71744261
I mean to clarify, libertarians prefer systemzing over emotional/empathic analysis.
>>71744387
>leading a revolution in a foreign land is an intellectual persuit is it?
It sure is. How is it not?
>>71736088
>reactionaries
>>don't care about their nation
>>don't care about their race
>>don't care about the past struggles of their forefathers
>>don't care about the future after they're gone
U fokken wot m8
>>71744187
>jews dominated the slave trade
You mean Portuguese merchants?
>what's so great about being a superpower?
Ok, pros+erity was obtained only after a couple decades
didn't you hear? libertarians are the new kkk
>>71744292
>Cherry picking
>Strawman
Your argument is invalid. Checkmate, statist.
>>71744245
ok
>>71744248
definetely mad
Nice pasta
>>71744359
GOD
Any other answer is retarded
>>71744431
how is it not?
why don't you tell me how it is
National and racial pride are the cheapest and most superficial forms of pride.
So something with your life worth being proud of. Otherwise fuck off.
>>71744619
Tell me where in the fucking bible does it say we get any rights?
We get a morale code, but nowhere does it say we get granted rights.
>>71744619
Everyone here know who is the retard
>>71744359
we are born with them
>>71742547
>like the computer you are posting on, electricity, the internet etc?
Those were not invented by your race, they were invented by engineers, physicists and mathematicians.
The majority of them may have had the same skincolor as you, but don't think just because you are a white skinned hobo you are better than the black skinned hobo. You're still a hobo
>>71744719
Except he is right. In a dumb way. Though most religions don't say anything about a right. The basic idea of a " natural right " requires a higher being capable of granting it.
>>71744651
Ideology is an intellectual pursuit. If you believe in an ideology, and can give good reasons for it, and want to see it come to fruition, that's certainly an intellectual pursuit.
That's not saying I agree with Communism, I don't at all, but you are applying sinister motives to race where there are none, and are ignoring all the other Communists in history that weren't Jewish, like the entire Communist supporting part of the South-Americas, or the Kurds, or the Chinese, or the Vietnamese.
>>71744864
>MUH GOD!!!!11111!!!111
>>71744727
No we are not. We are born with no fucking rights.
Please tell me what right exist that is not guaranteed by something, being born is not a guarantee.
>>71737060
>implying taxation isn't theft
retard
>>71736088
only person who can say something like that is the one that can not understand reactionism
>>71744972
The communist manifesto does seem to make people retarded.
Though I am not sure you can read, since you can't tell I am not making an argument about the existence of god, but one merely utilizing the concept.
>>71744872
Our communists where supported by jew communists from the KGB
>>71745022
>muh taxation is theft
>on the internet
top cuck!
>>71744261
Libertarianism is a nice ideal, and I think a free economy and personal liberty are goals which a state should approach as closely as possible without enabling malevolent forces to destroy the system utilising those freedoms.
Freedom can only go so far before it enables degeneracy which leads to statism. Free trade only works until it occurs between a free market society and a communist slave-state. As Herman Hoppe said, a libertarian order cannot exist without expelling homosexuals, atheists, and communists
This was the kind of Libertarianism America had from 1776-1916. Freeing the slaves, giving women the vote, and importing papists ended this libertarian order
What am I /pol/? What political ideology fits me?
- Anti freedom of press
- Anti LGBT
- Christian morality should be basis of society
- Support of Penal Labour
- More state funding for science, education, university research, military
- Universal healthcare & Schooling
- Tight immigration policy
- National draft
- Common sense environmental policy (No CO2 reduction, but only reduction of harmful toxic gasses)
>>71745192
A mix between Clerical Fascism and Pure Fascism.
>>71736088
You dont need a state for nationalism to exist. If you are interested in a redpill libertarian search about Hans Herman Hoppe.
>>71745192
>What am I /pol/?
A moron.
>>71745192
paleoconservative
>>71744791
>The majority of them may have had the same skincolor as you
they were all invented by White men, as was refrigeration, the internal and external combustion engines, cars, trucks, motorbikes, bikes, teh tyre, modern ships, modern agriculture, modern medicine, space travel, satellites, undersea cables, radio, phones, tv, mobile phones etc etc
they all were my relatives, do you deny this?
>>71744619
>Uses god in an argument
>Calls other people retarded
Im not even going to go full fedora and say all religious people are dumb but if you unironically use something with zero evidence of existance as a political argument your dumb.
>>71745242
>>71745286
ignore these 13yrolds
>>71745077
> communist manifesto
>MUH COMMIES!!1!!!!!111!!1!!!
>MUH RED MENACE!!!!11!!!1!!1
>MUH BETTER DEAD THEN RED!!!!11111111!!!!!111!!1!!!
I'm not a commie. Never even read the intro to communist manifesto, or any Marx/Engel work
>>71745282
You need a state for a nation to exist.
Without a Justice System, Army and Secret Service no nation can exist.
>>71738423
America had open borders. Lots of Japanesse and Chinesse emigrated there too. The main difference was that there was no welfare,which kills useless inmigration.
>The referendum in the Crimea.
>90% of people of Crimea's accession to Russia.
> Ko-ko-ko, a referendum is not real, there were commissioners of NKVD!
>The referendum in the Netherlands.
>60% of people do not want to let the Ukraine into the EU.
>Ko-ko-ko, they just do not understand the benefits of Ukraine...
The whole point of democracy and elections in Europe (Obama asshole, could come up with something better).
>>71736088
Libertarianism is the only logical policy in the face of immigration.
The welfare bucks is why they come, end the welfare bucks, end their reason for immigrating.
Welfare only makes sense when it helps your people. When it helps shitskins come and harm your people, it does more harm than good.
>>71745192
A retard
>>71745380
It wouldn't hurt for you to read something.
>>71745336
Pale Conservatism has no Welfare or Health care you retard.
While Clerical Fasicsm does. But it lacks tight immigration which is more pure fascism.
>>71736088
I support them as an agent of change. Without their advocacy for free speech the world would be a worse place. But other than that, all liberal variants have their failings and belong in the past.
>>71745471
>>71745286
Instead of insulting me why not tell me why you disagree with my viewpoints
>>71745497
>Pale Conservatism has no Welfare or Health care you retard
pls get educated and then come back
fascism is basically a variant of socialism
>>71745467
>Libertarianism is the only logical policy in the face of immigration.
How about we don't let them in?
>>71745497
>It wouldn't hurt for you to read something.
I do, don't worry.
>>71744864
This. I have never heard an argument that manages to divorce secularism from moral relativism. This leads me to conclude that objective morality is impossible in a secular context, and the nature of "rights" as a concept contains a moral obligation to protect/endorse them, and a condemnation as immoral of any who infringe upon them. But that morality of rights is also impossible to establish as universal in a secular context, and if morals aren't universal then they become very weak. They are no better or worse than any other moral code.
>>71745169
I agree that those factors had their hand in the downfall of American libertarianism. This is why, even though I'm an atheist, I would say that pragmatically speaking a country does better with a religious foundation like christianity. Why was America so strong and tethered together for so long? Racial, cultural, and religious homogeneity. Immigration reform and an openly christian government that doesn't bar religious discrimination with government regulation works best.
>>71745601
No shit fuckface. But that is what he described.
>>71745471
>>71745572
he is a fedora,
you can't reason with fedoras
your viewpoint is probably one of the msot mature and reasonable I've seen here
>>71738894
Natural rights are the basis of the law. Dont you belief in the law? Because in real life it "doesnt exist" either
>>71744872
without the jews, in particular marx and the bolsheviks, there would be no communism in any country. all the blood spilled is on their hands
their motives were not pure, they took over half of europe and ruled the natives ruthlessly, caused suffering to hundreds of millions, and killed over a hundred million
you think they did that because they were smart? you think it's smart to subjugate entire countries under your evil ideology?
>>71744985
the concept of natural rights is a easy one to define, they are rights that all men are born with and which can not be taken away, only infringed
>>71745146
what are you trying to say? you incompetent babbling buffoon
>>71745434
they were not allowed to become citizens
>>71745689
now you are seriously starting to worry me,
are you really this retared or jsut trolling
Why does Hillary Clinton dress like a faggot from Star Trek??
>>71736088
Why should we care about our nation, race, or what happened in the past?
Also if we didn't care about the future why would we be pushing our ideologies? I hardly expect anything to change until I die. Only thing that ever happened in my lifetime is gay marriage and 9/11
>>71745643
In Fallout 4 I shoot all blacks. Negro subway not talk to me. This is normal?
>>71745497
He is right, if you think PaleoConservatism has any sort of major safety net like welfare you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Look up Pat Buchanan and Alex Jones, they're PaleoCons, as well as Donald Trump I think.
>>71745729
>the concept of natural rights is a easy one to define, they are rights that all men are born with and which can not be taken away, only infringed
Prove it to me.
It's there some gene that grants you rights? Or the fact that you came out of a vagina. What if you are C section?
And yes they can be taken away, all rights even the all liberal right to live is easy to take away, especially with guns.
There is a simple rule to rights, if they are not guaranteed they do not exist.
Left arguement is based on emotions.
It feels good to give niggers gibs.
Does it actually DO GOOD? No. It actually causes more lazy shitheads and wasted humans. But they make the pedophile elite money so they will continue growing the she boon welfare state.
>>71745801
Of course Ivan, never let the nigs live.
>>71738545
>and are you claiming that tax is voluntary?
Living is voluntary. You know what to do.
Not paying tax is theft, if you benefit from the services provided from that taxation.
Although I would support a system where those that wish not to pay tax simply find they have no benefits that taxation brings. This would includes protection under the law, defence from the military, use of roads or any other publicly funded system. If you won't pay taxes towards the judges, police, soldiers, infrastructure etc, what right do you have to use them.
In fact open season on tax evaders might fix a few problems.
>>71740079
Europeans have achieved everythikg through competition not cooperation. China failed to adapt to west because it lacked real competition.
The 2 most important periods for the western world (the age of explorations and the industrial revolution) happened because of competition
>(combined with middle school tier philosophy like "TAXATION IS THEFT DURR")
if I hear another teenager say this I'm gonna tear away their ayn rand book and hurl it at their head
>>71745311
>they all were my relatives, do you deny this?
...Yes?
I'd rather associate myself with a black engineer than a white women studies prof.
Just because you share a skincolor or culture doesn't mean that you are relatives, friends or even have the same opinion or intellect.
Our culture encourages smart people to ask questions about the universe. Being part of the same culture doesn't mean you're smart or ask questions about the universe.
>>71745698
>>71745572
fascist scum
>>71745943
>Not paying tax is theft, if you benefit from the services provided from that taxation.
I did not consent to receiving those services and I did not agree to the cost of those services. Me walking up to you and handing you a bottle of water does not justify me taking your wallet, despite the fact you benefited from me giving you the water.
>>71745146
At least be honest and admit that taxation is theft. You can believe theft is moral. Why must you self-delude? Is it because you know theft is immoral thus it hurts to realize that taxation itself is immoral?
>>71745643
That's the most rational response for a secular reactionary imo, if morality is subjective then simply endorse whichever morals have proved themselves most beneficial historically.
This is Lovecraftian absolute relativism, which manages to circle moral relativism back around to absolutism.
Were I an atheist, this would be my position as well. It seems to have been the position of many founding fathers with deistic inclinations, such as Washington. Even if they didn't necessarily believe in Christianity specifically, they considered it the bedrock of Western civilization, culture, and political stability. And even if they did not endorse religious persecution, they allowed it to inform their foundation of the country
>>71746147
gtfo fedora trash
you don't even Know what fascist means
>>71745311
>they all were my relatives
Yeah, only about ten thousand times removed.
>>71745643
>I agree that those factors had their hand in the downfall of American libertarianism. This is why, even though I'm an atheist, I would say that pragmatically speaking a country does better with a religious foundation like christianity.
Fuck off Molyneux.
>>71743931
>Yet only achieved superpower status some years after,
How can you be such a retard? Without the XIX century policies the US would have become the redneck republic of America with a very small popullation and would have become totally irrelevant
>>71746227
>secular reactionary
all reactionism goes back to religious fundamentalism eventually
if you are still secular means you haven't reacted enough
>>71745192
50 years ago you would be european maintream, today that is probably best thought of as ultra conservative with continental welfarism.
>>71737060
every political ideology is basically a religion
>>71745617
>How about we don't let them in?
What kind of leftist are you, Portugal? For shame, you have a duty to help, feed, clothe, and house the less fortunate and the less white. Check your Portuguese privilege, you must atone for your history of colonial oppression and exploitation, the original sin of your people :^)
>>71746147
>>71745873
Then please tell me the fuck is the difference between Paleo Conservatism and Fascism or Clerical Fascism?
>>71745617
Check your privilege, Manny
>>71736088
the more egoistic asshole you are in a libertarian economy the more you win
it is easy to think you never be a victim of many egoistic assholes when you live in your parent house and you spend the whole day on the internet
besides, it is a sad fact that being an egoistic satanist sadistic psychopath asshole pays a lot
basically, this is the only thing you need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcyqi_A68to
>>71744359
Do you have a right to life?
Do you have a right of liberty?
Do you have a right of property?
Those are the natural rights,and the law is shaped around them
>>71746177
Fine. Voluntary taxation it is.
But don't go running to the law when I rob you.
As a tax payer I'm protected, as a non-payer you are not.
>>71736088
I fucking love Captain Kirk. He is such a celebration of American masculinity and independence. He is a strong man who is unafraid to violate the rules when he is right.
>>71746649
Who or what grants you and guarantees those rights?
>law is shaped around them
No it isn't.
>>71746147
How can you not see that all this "freedom" of the west is bringing us down, we need to take turn back the wheel if we want to be great again, or we and our societies will rapidly descend into total moral oblivion & atheism & self-hate, overrun by males of the congoid race and islamists
>>71745883
what do you think the natural right to self defense, and defense of others, is for?
>>71745943
>Not paying tax is theft, if you benefit from the services provided from that taxation.
what a pathetic argument, if I did not consent to accepting those services then you can't demand payment for them
>>71745996
look how angry the statists get, as they demand you pay for their college/foodstamps
they feel entitled to your money/work
>>71746120
your race is your extended family
>>71746665
don't complain when I resist your theiving ways
>>71744531
You are a retard. America was the place with the highest income per capita before becoming a superpower. Relatively speaking they are poorer right now as a superpower than before
>>71746227
Precisely how I feel yeah. I'm an atheist for my own reasons, but this doesn't mean that objectively, religion doesn't provide a moral/cultural backbone. As I leader it would be foolish to back away from it, all things considered. And exactly like you said, the founding fathers felt the same way. I've never heard of Lovecraftian absolute relativism, I'll need to look into that idea.
>>71736088
>Should I care what God you have in your house?
>should I care what drugs are in your blood?
>should I care what bathroom you think you should use?
>should I have to pay taxes for a niggress to have 15 bastards?
Libertarians just want to be left alone to do their thing.
I personally want the government to leave marriage to churches, to decriminalize most drugs(maybe not coke and meth), find ways for businesses to support healthcare and welfare of their own free will, to defend our nation and her allies but to leave foreign internal politics alone, basically if a job can be filled by the public it shouldn't be the government's job.
>>71745873
>>71746531
paleos are critical towards social state and want to prevent it's abuse,
not create a libertarian ancap paradise
>>71746777
>your race is your extended family
No it's not
>>71746333
>Implying Molyneux isn't based
I actually didn't know he endorsed pragmatic use of religion though, thanks sven.
>>71746777
Again those are not natural rights you potato. Since there is no such thing as a natural right. You have yet to prove me that such a thing exists.
>>71746376
Id say all reaction goes back to the thought of aristocracy
>>71746626
Except in a libertarian society, in order to be rich you still need to provide a service to your fellow man. It's a win-win. Well, except for the people who are morally outraged over the concept of "profit-motive".
>>71745192
You are me. Whenever I take a political test, it calls me a National Socialist. I consider myself a traditional fascist, or an ultra-reactionary.
Probably where we differ is monarchy. Do you believe in a monarchy? If you do, do you believe in a strong, centralized, absolute monarchy? I believe in an imperial monarchy.
>>71746836
Fascists also want to do that. They hate the leaches and the exploiters.
>>71746925
molyneux is a cuck
religion is useless in society if people don't actually believe what it says
>>71746920
sure is moron
>>71746926
I'm not a potato, you're statement is disregarded
>Since there is no such thing as a natural right.
sure there is, maybe not in gypsyland though
>>71746970
fascists want literally the opposite of limited government,
they ARE the leechers and exploiters who propagate MASSIVE government
>>71745382
Wrong. There are nations without goverments. The concept of one nation under one state is something new
>>71746777
> I did not consent to accepting those services
Don't take the services.
>don't complain when I resist your thieving ways
Sure, but remember as a tax payer I am protected by the police and the law, if you seek retribution.
>>71746531
Paleconservatism in essence is libertarianism with a socially conservative culture and moral legislation i.e no gay marriage, ban on abortion, strict immigration reform, and a large military. It's isolationist, meaning no involvement in NATO or military adventurism. For the most part think Donald Trump, minus endorsement for the Patriot act and the NSA, PaleoCons are generally small government like libertarians.
>>71746649
>>71747051
>natural right
ahahahhahahahahahahahahahahayhahahaahah
damn, some people can be so silly
noly people who live under a glass bell can be so naive
>>71746993
>if the majority doesn't believe it*
There is nothing wrong with a silent or non main stream minority that doesn't believe in god, if they keep it to themselves and don't go on some sort of fedora crusade and spread the cancer they have no effect and there is no reason to act on them.
>>71746925
>I actually didn't know he endorsed pragmatic use of religion though
He just uses religion as a tactic to get more religious people to watch his show/support him. He's like the worst example of a Machiavellian opportunist, and I know for a fact that the only reason he does that is because atheists are more likely to be leftists than not.
>>71741039
>Even most libertarians admit their ideology would never work unless perfect conditions are met.
I wonder if most utopian visions would pan out in areas with low population density, little to no immigration, and a common culture. This is part of the reason social democracy works in Scandinavian countries, is it not? I suspect a libertarian or anarchist society would function quite well (probably better) if these conditions are met.
>>71746649
Right to life, yes. Then why do libertarians make things like abortion morally just.
Right to liberty, to a degree. Too much liberty and people will do stupid shit, too little liberty and people will revolt, you have to find a good combination. We now have too much liberty (people doing too much stupid shit.)
Right of property, yes, but that is also limited, you can't do everything on your property, the property is still part of the nation, state and society you live in.
These are governmental rights and not natural rights. The law and system of checks and balances ensures them, but you can't have moral anarchy, there needs to be a basis of morality, such as christian morality, for it to function. Any pre-1950 european leader would agree, even the classical liberals
>>71747172
kek
this is next level naive
>>71746531
Paleo conservatives want to bring back the policies of XIX century america. Tariffs,no welfare,isolationism,etc.
Fascists are anticapitalistic in nature
>>71746993
Why? Many won't believe it, sure, but it provides a cultural backbone. I'm an atheist without a spiritual bone in my body but I still respect the christian-European heritage of America because it represents the resistance of the very degeneracy and cultural degradation we have seen today.
>>71747096
>>71747145
Then the dutch is not a paleo conservative but a Fascist or somewhere in the middle.
Because the things he asks for require a big government.
>>71747131
Show me. Cause since nationality is a thing which is about 500 years, there have been governments ruling them.
>>71746734
What is law based around then?
>>71746941
maybe on in the ideal society that works
but you, know, in the ideal society communism works too
>>71747269
Except that's how the world ran for nearly a millennia. There have been quite a few non religious people that when we read their diaries and such we find that since they never brandished it, nothing happened.
Plus no man can call himself a true follower of a religion if he never had a bit of doubt that he had to fight.
>>71747051
AGAIN TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK GUARANTEES OR GRANTS YOU A NATURAL RIGHT FUCKFACE YOU ARE JUST USING CIRCULAR LOGIC LIKE A GOD ON LSD
>>71747407
What ever the nation or community deems fit. Human executions and sacrifices are deemed as fit in a fair few.
>>71747168
Are you a utilitarian? Maybe you can help me develop my hypothesis that utilitarians are universally autistic. You guys score higher on psychopathy ratings, but I bet that's really Asperger's they're detecting.
Or maybe you're a nihilist and I've got it all wrong.
>>71747352
He was getting to somewhat PaleoCon but anti freedom of press, Universal Healthcare and schooling are the opposite of PaleoCons. I would say he does fall somewhere around Fascistic, maybe I mean it really depeneds on his economic policies as well. With those policies he could very well be Communist just as likely as National Socialist.
>>71747343
you can respect the heritage all you want but religion Works this way:
it says people to behave
they listen
those who don't get destroyed
you are literally saying that you like the effect it has on the society and then say: bah, it isn't really 4 me, let the other people believe in it, ill just be a pro fedora,
guess what, it doesn't work that way
>>71747352
this only shows that you don't understand paleo or fascism a tiniest bit
>>71747168
>I just read Nietzsche,and I believe to hold the absolute truth and I am just 16 years old :DDDDD
Kid go back to school.
>>71747051
I wouldn't consider a retard like you family even if you'd be my brother
>>71747484
No, communism will never work because it doesn't account for human instinct to become "the elite". It will fail because it will always end up being ruled by an elite class that ultimately starve people in order to grow their power.
Libertarianism does not have such shortcomings given that monopoly of power (including business monopolies) are impossible without a government to sustain it.
>>71747541
this is not even naive,
it's just a retarded lie
>>71747650
>Are you a utilitarian?
no
>Or maybe you're a nihilist
wrong again
>psychopathy
bingo
>>71747243
The law was shaped around those rights is simple. Those rights existed before the law, and the law was made to protect them. In places like Iceland there was no goverment but the law was respected.
>>71747666
never read Nietzsche
not 16 yrs old
there is no such thing as a right
you get what you deserve
>>71747660
> Anti freedom of press
> Christian morality should be basis of society
> More state funding for science, education, university research, military
> Universal healthcare & Schooling
> National draft
> Common sense environmental policy (No CO2 reduction, but only reduction of harmful toxic gasses)
Do they teach you traitorous south slavs how to read?
Can you not tell that is not limited government.
>>71746944
It doesn't matter of its a monarch or a president, what matters is the social consensus. We need a common sense classical christian social consensus. An absolute monarch that is fully PC would be horrendous. The Dutch king is a example of a very PC monarch (but with very little power.)
Free press is one of the largest reasons why the west is falling, because free press is nothing more then a codeword for "allowing your enemy to subtly infiltrate & indoctrinate your country, your society so it will collapse due to internal pressure". That is free press.
>>71736088
Nice shitpost faggot.
>>71736088
This nation was founded on libertarian principles, you fucking dunce.
>>71747541
>AGAIN TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK GUARANTEES OR GRANTS YOU A NATURAL RIGHT FUCKFACE YOU ARE JUST USING CIRCULAR LOGIC LIKE A GOD ON LSD
oooh some gypsy got triggeeereeeed
do you need a safe space?
what guarantees me my rights is force against those who would try to take them away
>>71747847
>Do they teach you traitorous south slavs how to read?
you are basically a south slav, you jsut don't Know it yet
>Can you not tell that is not limited government
dude, even nightwatchmanstate isn't as limited as you think that is
get educated and come back
>>71747721
you'd disown your own brother? so loyal
>>71747660
Why can't it work that way? If the government doesn't enforce legislation that makes it more difficult to be religious, but doesn't discriminate against atheists either, nobody is harmed. However, they can also help cultivate a religious culture. So there will of course be open atheists, but better that then not putting any effort at all in maintaining cultural elements. I'm not saying execute atheists. I mean, some cultural cohesion is better then none at all and saying "there is gonna be atheists, so let's just say screw it and give in", know what I mean?
>>71747352
Definition of nation:A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
Nations are older than goverments. Did the Italian identity existed before the unifocation? Yes
Did the German identity existed before unification? Yes.
Does the Kurdish identity exists,even though they are not under a single state? Yes.
>>71747736
I work very hard here, where I was, being literally a doormat for everyone yet I got half-fired why I do see assholes who do not work or scavenge on the EU money or on other shit.
What is worse, when I think about communism I am afraid I would get the same level of living but without that much of hard work. How do you think this makes me feel taking into account all the effort Polan, including me, has made?
Honesty and hard work literally does not pay, it cripples you.
I guess it will work for some time and then the world will turn into shit since everyone will become lazy dishonest asshole observing that it actually works.
>>71748054
And as soon as they liberated they formed a governament.
>>71747609
Do you know that the few civilizations that had human sacrifices usually didnt sacrificed there own people?
Laws can be arbitrary too?but the esence of modern law is based around natural rights
>>71747980
You literally are an idiot.
No surprise from a fucking turk, bozgor and german rape baby.
>>71748024
because it Works that way because the society itself is religious and they punish and pressure those who aren't to do right things
if people aren't religious there's nobody to do that and everything goes to crap
> I'm not saying execute atheists
then you're not doing it right
>>71747955
So rights are just an expression of force.
Ergo fetuses and babies have no rights, as they cannot use force. Raping abandoned babies is therefore not a violation of anyones rights. Nice philosophy.
Rights are a terrible way of thinking about morality. Try Kantian consequentalism.
>>71748185
I wish romanians were banned from 4chan
>>71748166
Dacians only sacrificed their most worthy wariors to send a message to Zalmolxeis.
>>71747846
You are dumb. If you go on a rampage and kill 30 people on a random society you wouldnt be punished or marginalized? Or if you commit plunder?
You are just an edgy kid
>>71736088
They are liberals that at least half-assed trying to axiomatize their beliefs
>>71748132
So you are admitting that you were wrong?
>>71748005
Sure, if he fucks children, kills people I care about or would posts stupid opinions on an chinese cartoon board I'd be happy to never talk to him again
>>71748254
Your point? Gypsies are not human
>>71748333
No you are just using legal wording like a fucking jew. I can easily just say that is not a nationality but an ethnicity.
>>71748267
waht does taht have to do IN ANY WAY with what you jsut said
you literally said:
>hurr durr I have right to Leech off of people who actually do shit
We also need to get rid of this very stupid enlightenment ideal that all humans are equal before law. First of all, the very term human is arbitrary. It is quite clear that our races have developed thousands and thousands of years apart, and that there are very distinct different features between peoples from different regions, ALSO psychological differences. We should document these differences and learn to cope with them instead of ignoring reality and saying we're all the same, which inevitably leads to great danger of social cohesion
>>71748386
That your argument is not universal.
>>71748394
Nope. Nations have nothing to do with ethnicity. An ethnic Irish town in America,makes said town Irish?
>>71748124
>Honesty and hard work literally does not pay, it cripples you.
That's a fucking lie and only dishonest people unwilling to look at their own shortcomings use this excuse. Your life sucks because you're unable or unwilling to properly allocate your resources.
Anybody can "work hard" and "work honestly" but guess what, working stupid is not the same as working smart. Society is not obligated to reward you period.
>>71748191
See that's a little to edgy for me though. As a leader I could easily achieve maximum, government enforced efficiency through murder, torture, intimidation, authoritarian legislation, it's all to easy. But that would describe most societies in history, it's just to easy to be an authoritarian despot and create a well oiled machine, but as soon as you die, citizens get sick of your shit, or your military stops licking your boots and put a sword in your back, it's over. An authoritarian society is efficient in the short term. A libertarian society, like a plant, would grow slowly, but it would be strong and plentiful at it's peak and could potentially last centuries more.
>>71747541
>AGAIN TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK GUARANTEES OR GRANTS
those that are not dependent on the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government.
>>71748402
When did I say that retard? Natural rights are negative,they are not given.
You are just proving my point. You are just an edgy kid that beliefs that knows everything
>>71736088
praexology
>>71748557
Except they do. They are based around the homeland of an ethnicity.
Or you will tell me that most conflicts nations fought with empires in the last 2 to 3 centuries where not around liberating ethnical homelands like Transylvania, Tirol, Baltics, Danzig...
>>71748432
Rights can be broken. And they have been broken. If the warrior choses to give his life,it is not a violation of a right
>>71748384
and suddenly you are no longer brothers? your DNA magically changes?
>>71746626
You could argue the same about every free market around the world, egotistical assholes exist everywhere in society whether it be in the government or in companies.
Nothing prevents people from helping each other in a libertarian society, you think churches and unions would just disappear? That people would lose all there empathy and morality just because they are given more freedom in the market?
There are more egotistical assholes in history who has used political power to usurp the common man and done more harm than any company could. I would argue that the government is a worst place for these egotistical assholes as they have more power over the common man.
>>71748581
you can have any opinion you want, but history has shown us that only fundamentalist authoritarians prevail
>>71748732
>Rights can be broken
You mean they are not guaranteed.
Natural Rights are just a Secular Mambo Jumbo made up to be glued to utilitarianism so it somehow continues the morals of a former religious nation.
>>71748729
You havent answer my question. Is an Irish town in the middle of America Irish?
And there are lots of multinational states.
>>71748657
>Natural Rights
I don't Know if that's funny or sad
>edgy kid
I see it in your every post, is it your signature
>>71748950
That is not their homeland you idiot.
And multinational sates are failures bound to civil war or destruction.
>>71737060
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
>>71748918
You can break rights. But the respect of life liverty and property is almost universal. In China murder was outlawed,so was in Europe. In China theft was illegal,so was in Europe.
Rights are independent of faith. That is why there are so few.
>>71746665
You'd be protected by law, but it would still apply to you. You would still need to be punished for theft and I would still need to be compensated.
>>71749045
Their homeland is where they were born. But they are still ethnic Irish.
libertarianism = The numale of economics
>>71749123
Yet both in Europe and China it was deemed fit to exterminate or eliminated undesirable people.
>>71736088
>they don't care about the past struggles of their forefathers
yea thats pointless. not pertinent in modern society.
sounds like tyrome crying about the ancestors being slaves and thinking white people owe him something
>>71748897
But my criticism is not as much subjective as it is objective, in regards to my thinking, which is that a authoritarian society will collapse before a libertarian-type society will. Both have different forms of efficiency but they mean nothing if they're not around, or the country is in debt, or any other circumstance. I'm thinking in the long term here my croation friend.
>>71748972
>Naturals rights are a spook
>But I cant murder or steal in any civilization in history or I would be punished.
>That must just be... luck :DDDDDD
>>71749219
>Their homeland is where they were born
My god can you be any more potato.
I said fucking ethnical homeland you idiot. The region from where that ethnicity originates.
Which is where nations exist or want to exist.
>>71737341
It's actually a Mongolian basket weaving forum you fucking pleb
>>71748755
DNA has nothing to do with who I like
Jesus fucking christ you're fucking retarded
It's just a phase OP. They have to go through it, like all of us.
Also why is 8pol sucking so bad? Doesn't even let me post.
>>71736088
>Libertarians don't care about the past struggles of their forefathers
>Libertarians hold the same beliefs as the founding fathers of the United States
AMERICAN
EDUCATION
IS
IN
THE
GROUND
>>71743624
>>71749047
To many limp wristed commie faggots in this thread. I can just see the nose wrings, colored hair, edgy little t-shirts on their hairless, pudgy chests. Embrace liberty, pinko cucks.
>>71749267
What are you talking about? Be more specific. Some people like cripples or homosexuals were tolerated in places like Poland or the Roman empire throughout history. Sometimes rights are broken because prejudism. Rights can be broken. I have stated that before
>>71749349
Ethnical homeland doesnt exist retard. Whites dont come from Europe,does that mean that our homeland is not Europe?
