How did the white "masterrace" got BTFO by a bunch of chinks riding horses?
>>71700736
There were a metric fuckton of hardened war veterans vs a crumbling empire.
They didn't.
Memengols only managed to conquer shitty Eastern European settlements and huge swathes of land with nothing in it so they can ride their faggot horses around.
They would never be able to pass Central Europe
>>71700736
The Huns rode into Europe just as the West Roman Empire was on the verge of crumbling, in cause to rebellion and incompetent leadership.
The Eastern Roman Empire was also busy, trying to deal with the Sarranids(?) and reformatting their entire economy, and they were the only Empires of Europe at the time.
The rest of it was mostly small tribes, barring the British Isles, which had no reason to get involved.
>>71700880
>a crumbling empire
Which empire? Khwarezm?
>>71700736
Khan conquered and united a fuckton of people and formed a professional army.
Europe was infighting and most soldiers were just armed peasants.
Although the Mongol tactics would never of worked in the forested Central Europe, which is why they worked a deal out the Moscovites.
>>71700736
>BTFO
>Couldn't even get past Poland
>>71701397
This. They didn't even push into western Europe because of their terrible fucking succession laws. They were barbarians. They worked because they used fear.
>>71701397
Only because Ögedei Khan died and Batu Khan stopped the invasion. The Mongols rekt the Poles, Czechs, Germans, and Hungarians. They were tactically superior to the Europeans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mohi
>>71701397
And Europeans coulnd't even pass the Levant or hold it.
The Crusader Outposts got overrun by the Mamlukes.
>>71701538
>because they used fear
And meritocracy. And superior tactics. And even more fear.
>>71702065
hmm whats that blue country in the levant
>>71702065
hmm what are those red spots in the middle east
>>71701874
>Only because Ögedei Khan
well duhhh
jesus was on our side
>>71701874
Read some of what actually happened during the battle. They used typical Asian trickery and that was about it. It was something Europeans weren't used to so they got creamed a few times. That happens throughout all of history, after dumbshit trickery gets recognized it tends to stop working. Also it's especially easier to to use that kind of dumb shit on forces that are combined from other areas.
Sorry but calling them tactically superior and saying Europeans got wrecked is just retarded when it's only a few battles.
>>71702317
Holy shit, the damage control.
>>71702398
It doesn't seem like you've responded to any of the actual criticism in the thread. I
>>71702170
>posting something from the 18th century.
You showing me a very advanced nation fighting against niggers? Should i be impressed?
Come again when you can conquer all the countries from Poland to China without fighting backwater nations that have no means to defend themselves against advanced gunpowder weapons.
I would like to see the French trying on China or the Delhi Sultanate during the 13th century.
Keep in mind that the crusaders only managed to invade Jerusalem the first time because it was badly defended, once the muslims got their shit together and stopped fighting the land was conquered back.
>>71702317
>hat happens throughout all of history, after dumbshit trickery gets recognized it tends to stop working
I dunno man, the Mongols went a pretty long way across the world without ever getting "figured out" until like 200 years later.
![1379301323-sharia4franceburqas[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ScLY1u3.jpg "1379301323-sharia4franceburqas[1].jpg")
>>71702212
The British and the French empires got conquered back by Muslims after WW2.
How do you like that? Time to pay Jizya!
>>71700736
mongols were not human in the eyes of others
they were centaurs eating raw meat and no bread, too bad those mongols are long gone though
on a positive note they make superior rap nowadays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h_hS0d4vqg
>>71700736
They had stirrups.
>>71700984
DELET DIS
>>71702398
Holy shit no real response.
>>71702616
Yeah it's pretty easy when you do this.
>go to new place with new people
>use trickery tactics on enemies to win
>wipe out their entire cities or towns
>move on so fast that others don't have time to learn about it
Maybe if they actually focused on running an empire they could have actually kept going instead of getting stopped before actually even getting into Western Europe.
>>71702536
>actual criticism
>sure they got rekt but it was only a few time so it wasn't really a rektening
>>71700736
>WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL MONSTROUS DEVILS WHO DOMINATED EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH
>LOL WHITE BOYS CAN'T FIGHT
>YOU WHITE DEVILS OPPRESS EVERYONE WITH YOUR PATRIARCHY!
>LOL LITTLE WHITE BOYS BTFO BY MONGOLS-TURKS-VIETNAM-TALIBAN-EVERYONE LOL
>>71702601
You are straight up retarded. Your historical opinion of Middle Ages seems to be that they had a centralized government or authority because that's how it is now. It's not how it was back then. You need to be 18 to post here, and it's a school night Muhammad
>>71700736
>slavs
>master race
The Mongols never so much as touched a single inch of the West
>>71702876
>getting stopped
The Mongol progress against Europe was not "stopped" by anything other than the khan's death. Other countries stopped the Mongols with military strength, like Egypt and Thailand, but medieval Eastern Europe deserves about as much credit for stopping the Mongols as Japan did.
>>71702777
>we wuz Kahns n shit
>>71702987
>had a centralized government or authority because that's how it is now. It's not how it was back then
Yet the europeans didn't dare to invade the Rashidun, Umayyad and even the Abbasid caliphate.
They only picked off weaklings, just like during colonial times.
>>71702317
>better soldiers
>Better discipline
>Better command
>Better mobility
"I-it's just trickery guys"
>>71703017
I mean they raped Germany after WW2 if that counts
>>71702895
That is actual criticism lol. The Romans lost a few big battles to the Parthians but overall they won way more battles. Poland still BTFO of them during the Third Mongol Invasion. A few battles and sacking some hardly defensive cities using tactics that make the city unusable to your own forces afterwards is stupid for an Empire.
But sure little buddy keep believing your chink ass ancestors were wayyyyy better. If they actually knew how to manage and control an empire we would have seen a lot more battles where they would have got their shit stomped in.
>>71703017
Don't worry, plenty of Knights Templar got rekt by the Mongols.
>>71702317
>T-they didn't fight fair guys!
>>71703180
>They only picked off weaklings, just like during colonial times.
During colonial times, the entire world- all of it- was dominated by Europeans or their descendants without a single exception. So your argument is that all non-white peoples of the world are weaklings?
>>71703180
There's a difference between "didn't dare" and "didn't care." A lot of European warfare against the caliphates was defensive, not offensive. It also depends on which Europeans you're talking about.
>>71702065
m8, superior technology tactics and training is exactly the reason why any empire ever was able to conquer so much land. If there was parity in those things it wouldn't have happened.
>>71700736
Everyone was getting shit on by the Mongols, Chinks, Sand niggers etc
be that as it may, they never entered Central/Western Europe so wtf are you b8ing for
>>71700984
Did you fail high school history?
>>71703364
>Club of bankers didn't defeat a continent-spanning empire
No way
>>71703100
>"stopped" by anything other than the khan's death
>progress was stopped
>GUYS IT WASN'T STOPPED THOUGH BECAUSE THEY JUST DECIDED NOT TO KEEP ATTACKING
Dude it was stopped. It was stopped because Mongols were just barbarian idiots who couldn't run an empire. Saying they are way superior to Europeans after a few battles when they couldn't even fight more is laughable since they were stopped and didn't go further.
>>71703181
>smokescreens
>feigning retreat
>tricking the polish into retreating
"I-it's just better troops guys."
>>71703506
Wouldn't those come under the better command part I stated?
Leaving your defensive positions and running into an ambush =/= better
>>71703368
Jesus Christ why do all you historical illiterate retards come out in droves when your sad little beliefs are challenged? As I said look at history, trickery tactics stop working and are only "superior" for a few battles tops. If it was a "fair" fight do you honestly think the Chinkoids would have stood a chance against the Europeans? Not at all. But keep believing they are superior when we've cucked their whole continent.
>>71700736
>How did the white "masterrace" got BTFO by a bunch of chinks riding horses?
Chinks are on the same level as whites so they have the ability to conquer each other. Another example of chinks conquering the white man was their victory in the Vietnam War.
>>71703506
Better troops not meaning that they man to man could beat up every Polish man, but better as in men trained in and executing better tactics.
Also these tactics that you're mentioning, what, are you arguing that it's cheating or something? It's war, kill your enemy or be killed. They did that better than the Europeans at the time.
>>71703645
Winning a few battles not =/= better. Winning against a force that has multiple allied forces using trickery tactics is not a good example of judging who is superior especially when there are only a few battles that even happened anyways and the Mongols got BTFO of the third invasion too.
But go ahead believe your little fantasies of how "muh Europeans were worse" circle jerk when they clearly didn't even get into Western Europe and the few battles they one were literally won using fluke tactics that never work twice on the same country.
>>71703277
>Poland still BTFO of them during the Third Mongol Invasion
By that time there wasn't even a Khan capable of commanding armies through eurasia , the empire was gone.
Kublai Khan was the most powerful khan around the time of the third invasion but he was still conquering China and had no control of the mongols of the west.
>>71703382
Look whom the europeans conquered - niggers who still fought with spears and couldn't manufacture gunpowder weapons.
Things were very different around the 13th century. It was Sword vs Sword and Bow vs Bow.
>>71703699
>are you arguing that it's cheating or something?
No I'm arguing it's a shit way of determining who is better. Those tactics clearly would never work twice and they only worked because the forces were split among 3 different countries. Acting like all of Europeans aren't superior because one sloppy tossed together army couldn't beat a force who used tactics that never work twice to win is laughable.
>>71702601
The only reason the Muslims are able to push the crusaders out of Palestine was because Venetian merchants sold them European seige technology. The Templars and the Tuetonic Knights far out matched the Muslims. Also, others got involved and became decadent and arrogant and didn't listen to the Templars military strategists.
IOW, without European seige technology Palestine would still be controlled by Christians today.
>>71703673
Your argument is completely baseless. Mongolian tactics demonstrably defeated many different types of armies all over the globe repeatedly without any real answer to their tactics ever being found, they kind of had a walk-off win historically. They're like Rocky Maciano, retired undefeated 49-0, 47 knock-outs.
The reason for that is because their technology, short compound recurve bows, fired from horeses using stirrups was completely unanswerable in that era.
It does not mean that mongolians were super human or something, they just figured out that winning combination of tactics, trickery and technology that everyone seeks. Part of it was due to luck that their culture happened to discover such a powerful manner of warfare.
Europeans have kind of always had a bumpy road to the top.
>>71703506
>barbarian idiots who couldn't run an empire
They ran four empires. None of them lasted very long, but for a no-name pastoral tribe from northeast Asia, it was a pretty damn good run. Also I never said they were superior to Europeans. That's just silly.
In short, underestimate "barbarians" at your own peril. Especially if you happen to be living in the Middle Ages.
>>71703981
>Couldn't conquer
>tried a third time
>died
so superior
>>71703694
>Chinks are on the same level as whites so they have the ability to conquer each other. Another example of chinks conquering the white man was their victory in the Vietnam War.
Everything about this statement is false.
The US killed 4 million gooks during that war compared to the 60 thousand they killed of us.
>>71703981
Are you forgetting about all the european conflicts?
>>71703673
Your whole argument is that the Euros would've eventually adapted to the Mongol tactics, effectively turning the tables, while disregarding the fact that the Mongols changed tactics as needed as well. In fact, their adaptability is exactly why they were so successful in the first place.
>>71704055
>Crusaders try to regain Jerusalem.
>The English, the French and the German kings unite
>Still fail.
Yeah win your crusades first, and i don't mean with ceasefires.
>>71704048
This whole thread is about how they are "superior" and you have been arguing like that this whole time so I'm glad to see you admit you are wrong.
Also not being able to run 4 empires makes it so much worse, they were literally shit. Good thing they defeated a poorly tossed together European army though and a bunch of peasants and fractured countries.
>>71704048
>but for a no-name pastoral tribe from northeast Asia, it was a pretty damn good run.
Why? Literally every empire was created by no-names, that's how they all start.
>>71704070
>Gun down peasants and drop napalm on children
>"Look how helpless they were before us!"
>>71700736
Because they were master fucking horsemen that learned to ride and shoot a bow at a young age. Horse archers nigger, play some Civilization and learn about how badass they are.
>>71703981
>Look whom the europeans conquered
Literally everyone
>>71704070
>my killcounts!!
>USA WON!
>Vietnam under communist control.
Typical murifat.
>>71704432
Vietnam was lost for political reasons, same as Mongol invasion of Europe.
>>71702777
sounds like the world of warcraft orc language
>>71704169
Well we'll never know that though since we never saw them fight a singular European army that fought them more than once. Your entire argument is thinking they are so much more superior based off a few battles where they needed to use tricks to win. Which as I have said, never continue to work against the same enemy. Go ahead do some more historical research and find me two similarly won battles against the same force using the same trickery tactics.
The Mongols would have easily lost the first battle if the Polish weren't tricked into retreating and if the cavalry wasn't stupid and took the bait. But they did because they were a shit fractured army and even using those tactics that never work twice the Mongols still sustained heavy casualties. But yeah totally Europeans were BTFO completely since we all speak Mongolian now.
>>71703990
>clearly would never work twice
How is that clear? Nobody is saying the Mongolians are on an individual level superior to Europeans. Men among men, we're all about equals. But, their strategy and technology at that specific snapshot in history were superior. Of course Europeans would have been able to adapt given time, anyone would have, but the thing is that nobody within their reach really had the ability to adapt to them, and when faced with their armies they all crumbled..
I'm not trying to argue that Europeans suck at war, but the Mongolians were probably the greatest power to walk the Earth militarily given their era besides maybe the US Armed Forces now.
You can't detract from that.
>>71704169
Now you're going the other way. Europe was a bridge too far for them.
>>71704253
What the fuck m8, you're comparing apples and oranges. Can you stop with this dumb shit?
>>71702777
i like the song though
It just can't be helped, the mongols are the most fearsome force in the world, you could even call them 'master-race'.
>>71704621
Are you forgetting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mohi ?
>>71704536
This really is the best answer.
>>71704566
You're taking it personal, give your respects where it's due. It's stupid to argue that the Mongols wouldn't have beaten Europe, they beat very similar Chinese Armies, that were larger and better organized than anything the small European kingdoms could have mustered at the time.
>>71704718
>were*
>>71704621
>apples and oranges.
>Our crusades totally weren lost! It was just apples and oranges!
>>71704419
The Ming and the Mughals.
>>71704621
>You can't detract from that
Yes you literally can, the Romans, the British, and many other Empires were all the best forces of their eras. There is always a best force of an era, no surprise that someone arguing this way is historically braindead. That's been a common thing throughout all of history.
>one nation develops better weapons/strategies
>other nations use those weapons or find a way to counter their tactics
>the superior nation stops being superior
This whole thread is about how Europeans were worse than Mongolians. They literally had a few battles and that was it. That is hardly a measure of who was better at the time especially when facing fragmented armies. If any Europeans bothered to actually go into their land and fight them who knows how it would have turned out.
>>71703414
Except Vietnam
>>71704815
>You're taking it personal, give your respects where it's due. It's stupid to argue that the Mongols wouldn't have beaten Europe, they beat very similar Chinese Armies, that were larger and better organized than anything the small European kingdoms could have mustered at the time.
You're literally arguing "what ifs" based on baseless assumptions. It's laughably pathetic.
>>71704432
>my killcounts!!
>USA WON!
Actually it makes sense. We can wipe you off the map but no one can civilize a people who refuse to be civilized.
>>71704760
The Mongols were defeated many more times than that too by others, but on the whole, their record is that these loses are greatly outweighed by their victories.
>All the white goyim in this thread trying to argue they are superior
Keep going guys this is exactly why I made this
>>71705072
Okay Ahmed.
>>71704337
The important word here is "pastoral." The lasting empires like Rome, China, Egypt, etc. had their bases in ethnic groups which practiced large-scale agriculture. The Mongols and nomads like them did not do this, instead getting their food from animals which they herded. This is why they never had big cities, nor gained all the "useless" cultural skills which people who lived on the backs of farmers did.
When pastoral peoples make an empire, it is always impressive in the sense that they accomplished it in the face of so many disadvantages and deficiencies. What's more, the Mongols in particular got a whole lot of land and absorbed a whole lot of culture (rather than rebuffing it), to the point where many of them became settled people themselves.
>>71700736
The horse archers of Parthia, now part of modern Iran, were renowned for their ability to shoot arrows at pursuers, whether the archers were in real or feigned retreat. Being able to shoot at enemies while withdrawing was very irritating to the enemy, especially when pursuers were too slow to close the gap. Although the Parthians were an ancient people, their tactics were adopted by later civilizations that employed horse archers and their name remained attached to the maneuver. The phrase “parthian shot” has come to mean any comment made while exiting a discussion
>>71700736
Asians, at the time, had the equivalent of a super weapon.
>>71704875
European Gunpowder Armies had a technology edge that was a lot larger than the Mongolian, the Roman Empire had a very bumpy road to the top.
I'd say
Mongols/USA
Alexander the Great
Rome
All others
I'm not really disagreeing with your point about weapons tactics strategy, and stopping being superior either.
European armies at the time were all fractured they didn't have coalitions, they were also much smaller than the mongolians and their technology and tactics were badly matched to the Mongolians until much later.
>>71701874
>couldn't even conquer Racibórz
lel
>>71704536
Not really. I just recently had a discussion about the war with my parents. And we all admitted that the North would definitely win, even if America kept its troops in the South.
The reason is simple, the North Vietnamese soldiers were all lunatics. Most of them were around 14-16 when they joined the war and they didnt know anything except the communist propaganda. They didnt even know that ice and ice cream existed. They never saw a cake before. They never knew about canned foods. They never drank milk....
The South Vietnam army and America troops had better tech and training but the Vietcongs were the winner when it comes to morale. Most South Vietnam soldiers were tired of the war and expected peace. But the Vietcongs would keep fighting to death. Thats how the Communists won the Vietnam war.
Just like a street fight, you may be a super MMA fighter but if your enemy is a lunatic skinny, crazy bastard, you would lose eventually. And in Vietnam war, the technological gap between an AR15 and an AK47 was not enough to even out the fanatic advantage of the communist soldiers.
![b9a28270-9dc6-4761-81ea-63d77719cfd2_lucky-larry-silverstein01_k0nsl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2PqbIeK.jpg "b9a28270-9dc6-4761-81ea-63d77719cfd2_lucky-larry-silverstein01_k0nsl[1].jpg")
>>71705080
The jews wiped you already off the demographic charts and renamed you the Hispanic States of Mexico.
Keep sending financial aid to Israel and having popularity conquests with them, that won't stop us from conquering you.
But wait we don't have to do anything at all , you will just cease to exist in 50 years because you can't breed.
>whites
>having any real power nowadays.
Keep bowing down to the AIPAC goy. or else they will make your deaths look like a coincidence.
>>71705306
What makes you think that? They literally never fought Western Europeans and there were only a few battles. When Rome fought Carthage they fought many many battles and lost many of them. In the end during the final battle they won with a trickery tactic and then burned Carthage to the ground and they never came back.
Basing the Mongols superiority on people they barely fought and on tactics that are not normally used is just silly.
hey I'm the Turkish masterrace in here
you can rage-comment on me faggots
>>71705689
>you may be a super MMA fighter but if your enemy is a lunatic skinny, crazy bastard, you would lose eventually
This makes 0 sense
>>71700880
>a metric ton
>10 hardened war veterans can btfo europe and create majestic finnish empire
This raises even more questions.
>>71705689
>Just like a street fight, you may be a super MMA fighter but if your enemy is a lunatic skinny, crazy bastard, you would lose eventually
lol
>And in Vietnam war, the technological gap between an AR15 and an AK47 was not enough to even out the fanatic advantage of the communist soldiers.
>technological gap between an AR15 and an AK47
Lol
>Most of them were around 14-16 when they joined the war and they didnt know anything except the communist propaganda. They didnt even know that ice and ice cream existed. They never saw a cake before. They never knew about canned foods. They never drank milk....
Lol
To be fair though, you guys are alright, and if believing that nonsense is what it takes to be a cool nation, then go for it man. Basically everything you're saying is wrong though, mate.
>>71704338
is that not what being helpless is though
>>71706276
It wasn't a metric ton, the total ammount of mongols was far less then the total ammount of man capable of combat in europe.
Now if you would include all men in the mongol sphere at that time then yes, China alone had as much people as Europe.
>ib4 all europeans will band together and defeat them!
Why doesn't this work for Asia? Europe is not a continent wide kingdom or empire. If you want to use a whole continent as a combatant then be fair and use all of Asia as well, and you know how well that battle would turn out, Asia has much more people then Europe.
The East asian Steppes have routinely produced the greatest warriors to ever live; their lifestyle meant that every mongol had mastery levels of horsemanship and archery that western cultures just did not have. Being nomadic meant that they constantly had a supply line and could travel around in unstoppable hordes; adding to the fact that they just sacked and raped every place they came across; there was no way to hinder them without attacking them directly. Also, the "white" race did not really get btfo by them, it was the chinks, arabs and slavs that got the worst of it.
Has anyone heard the second episode from the Hardcore History podcast, cause it's pretty relevant to what people are talking about here.
>>71706819
That's true. Peasant levies with bronze pitchforks (at best) commanded by entitled idiots armed with swords isn't comparable to a veteran army of psychopaths who see life as a berry to be plucked from a bush. Besides that, knights were faggots who were really only good at brutalizing peasants. Maybe the Pope would have eventually sent them some shit about tactics from the Roman Empire days, but they probably wouldn't even bother trying to learn anything from it. Seven fucking crusades and they still used the same failed tactics against sandniggers. They wouldn't have stood a chance against actual armies.
>>71704815
I agree with you that I think the mongols were probably the best fighting force in history but I'm pretty skeptical that they could have conquered Europe. Europe was weaker than the Chinese and the Islamic states but I doubt there would have been enough grass to feed the horses further on in the campaign and having a castle or fort for every square mile would really have fucked with their mobility advantage.
>>71701067
sassanids
>>71707773
Well, Attila managed it well enough.
>>71707494
Was that the Khwarezm empire one?
![Hunnic_Empire[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/p3nZ3tq.png "Hunnic_Empire[1].png")
>>71707996
not exactly
>>71707996
I won't argue with you because I don't know that much about Attila. But he still didn't go all the way to the Pacific ocean like Genghis wanted to
>>71700736
Tempo. Not sure if you are talking about huns or mongols but the point is that they were the first to really be practicing maneuver warfare. Surprise and speed, if used correctly, can defeat size and strength.
The concept is the same as the blitzkreig
The mongols were cool as hell. Shame about them converting to islam, killing each other over islam for a few decades, and fading into obscurity.
>>71708068
>Balts
>Ever under Atilla
>>71708194
Didn't the Russian tribes learn that style of warfare from the mongols, who later taught it to the Germans, who then used it to invade Russia? Pretty good bantz desu
The Mongols infected Europe with The Plague.
>>71700736
Yet they were the ones who adopted the cultures of the groups they 'conquored'.
>>71708018
Not sure what you mean. That was in Iran.
>>71708068
They got half way to the Atlantic, through all the forest and shit, and managed to BTFO both eastern and western Rome. That is no something to just shrug off.
>>71708184
He did his best. The mongols got the opportunity to take China and enslave a bunch of people who knew what they were doing. The Huns had to fight their way through a bunch of snowniggers, Slavs, Gauls, and other barbarians before they got a chance to cuck a civilization.
In the end whites won. As usual
>>71708194
>that they were the first to really be practicing maneuver warfare
That's false. Maneuvers existed for as long as armies have. Even wild dogs use different formations and tactics for different prey.
My family lived in boland.
Is there a chance my DNA got chinked somewhere down the line?
God pls no
>>71700736
>How did the white "masterrace" got BTFO by a bunch of chinks riding horses?
So where are the horse-riding chinks now???
>>71700736
>americans
>white
>>71708445
>I agree with you that I think the mongols were probably the best fighting force in history but I'm pretty skeptical that they could have conquered Europe. Europe was weaker than the Chinese and the Islamic states but I doubt there would have been enough grass to feed the horses further on in the campaign and having a castle or fort for every square mile would really have fucked with their mobility advantage.
>Well, Attila managed it well enough.
>image that refutes
>they got halfway there, that means they did it the whole way
???
>>71708433
>tfw you learn the Black Death originated from China and was spread by the Mongols
gdi China
>>71700736
They blew out the golden era of shitty Empires of Islam
They blew out the Churches army
They blew out the Teutonic Knights
They blew out China
They blew out Russia
They blew out Poland
They blew out Thrace(all Balkan countries)
Got blown the fuck out by Vietnam though
>>71700984
central europe never managed to defeat muslim fortresses in the middle east while the mongols managed to destroy multiple muslim fortresses in the middle east
>>71708445
Iran was part of the Khwarazmian empire at the time. It had a area of 3.6 million km2 at it's peak and the mongols collapsed it in under 2 years.
Attila didn't even have to fuck up Western Roman Empire, the Huns forced the Goths to run away and the Goths broke a big chunk of the military force of the Romans trying to get away
>>71700736
Mongolia is the only country in history that never got BTFO by white people
>>71708560
Maneuver warfare means when you are moving so much more quickly that the enemy has no time to react appropriately. Basically they get trapped in a cycle of re-evaluting and re-planning and they are never actually able counter you let alone go on the offensive.
That's what the huns and mongols were able to do. They could move their armies so quickly that by the time their enemies heard where they were and what they were doing, they were already done and gone
>>71708873
Didn't the Persians try to invade the steppe? And all the horse tribes just ran away and left the Persians dragging their nuts around in the grass for a couple of years?
>>71708873
They have.
>>71708822
White People forget that they were this close to getting cucked by Genghis Khan.
The Pope and Vatican were ready to invite Genghis Khan to the Vatican.
Look up Prester John.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John
White Europeans thought Genghis Khan was the Fabled Christian King of the Far East they were dreaming about.
If only Genghis Khan just lived a little bit longer, Christianity would have gotten culturally enriched.
>>71708561
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boland,_Western_Cape
>The Boland (Afrikaans for "top country" or "land above"[1]) is a region of the Western Cape province of South Africa
You wish you had gotten YELLOWED, nigger.
>>71708665
Still riding horses.
>>71708724
The conquest only stopped because Attila died, not because horses don't like trees.
>>71708856
Fair point about the Goths. The Huns were used to wrecking Goth shit already though. Still always dumb to fill your military with foreign mercenaries.
>>71708873
They were conquered by the Soviets.
>>71708873
Yeah unfortunately all of Asia will never let Mongolia rise ever again.
Because there is no white master race. We are all, equally human. Genetically, at least.
>>71709068
Boland. Term for Poland. Like penis to benis.
>>71709068
I wasn't making a comment about the Huns not being better than the Romans, I meant that the main Goth force got smashed by the Huns so badly that their weak army had to run away. Who still managed to cuck the Romans.
You'd think the Romans would have learnt their lesson about horse archers though
>>71709029
Well Genghis was a fair man when it came to culture and religion. It's why he was able to control and unite so many people>
>Also wiping out the male population down to 10%
>Then giving them mongoloid dick
Man was just and fair. But yeah I'm aware how close Europe would of became part of the Mongolian Empire..Makes you wonder if he actually had proper succession in order how far would they ventured west.
>>71708963
That's basic predator behavior. I'll conceed that they may have been the first to do it in the context of a war (in between battles, I mean) rather than during the butchery follow a rout though.
>>71708963
They did, but why would they stay? It isn't as if they have homes to defend. Nomads have always been really frustrating like that. The US didn't solve it's Indian problem until we started shelling entire mountains because the whole nation was terrified of what Geronimo and his ~90 followers.
>>71709207
Still a nigger.
>>71709269
Carrhae was Crassus's thing though, and he wasn't exactly a respected military leader. All he had really done before was butcher some slaves, so they were probably arrogant and didn't learn any lessons from it.
>>71709445
How was Poland niggered? Wtf
>>71701874
>Only because Ögedei Khan died and Batu Khan stopped the invasion.
Yeah after death of Ögedei Khan Mongol Empire collapsed in the internal struggles and seize to be united force.
>>71708837
>crusades
>>71702212
How did Britain acquire so much land?
>>71709445
The Huns and Mongols used mobility as a strategic advantage instead of just as a tactical advantage
Carrhae was still a shitshow though, losing 30,000 men and inflicting 38 kills is literal emu war tier
>>71709629
It's easy to conquer lots of land when you shoot people running at you with sticks
>>71709522
If you've ever had Jews, then you've been blacked.
>>71709681
No kikes that I know of in my family
>>71709629
Using modern (at the time) weapons against people from the stone age. Hard for Chief Wewuz to keep those niggers chunking their spears when cannons are firing at them.
>>71709645
Yeah, that's a much better way of saying what I was trying to say. They used their mobility between battles to get around fast enough that their enemies would vastly overestimate their numbers.
Carrhae was pretty pathetic. It wasn't quite as bad as Cannae, but it doesn't have the excuse of "what the fuck is an elephant!?!" either.
Dunno but White supremacists would probably say Mongols were actually the descendants of ancient Aryans that had separated from the rest and went to Mongolia, to form a new, distinct culture. And then they came back to take their shit.
>>71700984
Not entirely true, but you're right about the swathes of land. This 'Mongols largest empire 5evah' meme needs to die, because most of it was uninhabited. That's like claiming you conquered the galaxy because you went to the moon and nobody bothers to contest the claim.
>>71709909
I think Carrhae was worse. At least their they got beaten by superior tactics rather than a bunch of guys on horses realizing that they can just sit still and shoot them with arrows
>Tfw only one friend irl that enjoys talking about history
>>71704036
>t does not mean that mongolians were super human or something, they just figured out that winning combination of tactics, trickery and technology that everyone seeks.
Well actually nomad nations are superiors in military area to agriculture nations prior to industrial revolution. Nomads from their birth live in the conditions similar to army march, train with weapons (hunt). Settled agriculture nations people are spoiled by comfort life, most of the population is disarmed, have no military useful skills and can't be directly drafted into army, stationary cities make easy vulnerable target for mobile warfare. Also fully mounted army > army with infantry mobile warfare and mobile warfare > stationary. But hopefully nature of nomads life makes them naturally disorganised and divided. They have no state and don't act as united force.
But in case of Mongol Empire this was changed. Due to their contact with China they absorbed most advanced forms of government, discipline. science and engineering Most military potent tribes plus Chinese state building experience created explosive mix.
>>71710380
I think you mean Cannae then. Hannibal BTFO so hard that Rome refused to meet him on the battlefield for years to come.
But Crassus was most definitely not a very good military leader. He was perhaps the most Jewish non-Jew to ever live, and he thought that he could do it if Caesar and Pompey could because he was so much smarter than they were.
Caesar was planning to go reclaim Rome's honor when he was assassinated. That would have been a much more interesting battle.
>>71700736
It was the fear. Like today
>>71710581
Yeah I meant Cannae sorry.
Crassus was a retard, it was the bc version of Bill Gates deciding to lead an army to conquer the middle east
>>71707773
I really don't know enough about it to talk on the logistics, but I do agree that conquering Western Europe may not have been possible. Obviously they didn't do it, so to argue that they could have becomes a bit esoteric.
>>71705729
>What makes you think that
Western European Armies at the time were probably not even of as high a quality as the professional army of the Chinese. They were running on Feudal levies with wavering loyalties. So I think ultimately Europe was probably an easier target than China whom they did conquer comparatively.
That's leaving out all arguments of logistics and stuff. My opinion here is totally cookie cutter by the way of shit I basically read off of some experts of the History, and even among those guys there's not a consensus, so disagreeing with me isn't wrong. It can be argued both ways, that's just what I think from what I've read.
I'm not arguing that if you took a random West European Knight and had him fight a Mongol that he would lose, they were at least equals in Single combat, and West Europeans were definitely superior at close-combat, but the Mongolian strategy, lots of people argue, could have countered their edge in that.
You know like later on in History the Crusader armies faced Arab armies that were similar to Mongol Armies and they beat them by essentially hiding behind their heavy infantry until the Muslims were tired and then counter charging at the right time with a heavy cavalry force. Whenever they accomplished this it was a blood bath for the Muslims because once the European armies had you pinned they could cut you to pieces.
Just posting so anons can go R A R E
>>71700736
Op do you mean attila vs rome or mongols vs eastern europe?
You can't tell by the picture.
>>71710694
The Mongols were basically doing ISIS execution style stuff to millions of people. The Russian steepe tribes that killed their envoys had their captured soldiers tied up and stacked like logs so that the mongols could build a platform on top of them to have a victory feast while they could hear the prisoners suffocating to death. I'm perfectly aware that if I was a local governor back then I'd be the first person to throw open the gates and hope for the best
>>71710568
This is true. There is nothing of theirs to attack, so you basically have to kill all of them or wait for them to get bored.
I wonder what the North American continent would look like if the Indians had not killed all their horses for food and had managed to band together.
>>71710694
They really weren't all that bad. They did a lot more killing to be sure, but it wasn't really all that more bloodthirsty than any other ancient empire would have done on a rebellious city.
If anything, it really shows you how fragile western civilization is.
Not only was it close to being conquered by Mongols, but also the Huns, Turks, Umayyads, etc.
And now Marxists and their leftist stooges are destroying western civilization from within without a care in the world. Everything our ancestors fought for is now being thrown away in just 3 generations.
>>71710873
Please return to us great father and lead us to greatness. Lets conquer Russia for old times sake?
>>71710883
Do you honestly believe that a South American
would have thought about this topic in depth?
>>71709909
>the brits never managed to colonize ethiopia
Wew so much for "le superior race" meme
>>71709157
>Because there is no white master race. We are all, equally human. Genetically, at least.
Yes.
We are the same person anon. No differences whatsoever genetically.
>>71710873
R A R E
>>71700736
>Slavs
They may be white but they ain't part of no masterrace
>>71710873
come back grandpa
liberate us from the western menace
>>71702317
Holy shit
I'm all for killing all Blacks and shit but come one wtf is this crap?
"They didn't fight fair"
"They aren't creative enough"
Literally kill yourself my man.
>>71710873
R A R E
A
R
E
>>71701874
Horse archers weren't some sort of unbeatable god unit, otherwise everyone would have done it.
As it turns out, as common sense might dictate, horse archers are pretty shit in sieges.
>>71700736
Those are my ancestors.
You are triggering me.
YOU ARE APPROPIATING MY CULTURE.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lea6TdAkPbk
>>71710873
Why aren't you posting a lot papa khan
>>71713120
this. people think horse archers were op because they play too much mount and blade infact their role in pitched battles were pretty neglible aside from being slighty annoying and raking up the kd ratio on lightly armored plebs.
>>71700736
>we didn't if you think of mongolians
the huns were also great warriors, a name common here today is of their leader atilla or atli as we called him. Atli/Atle is a common name this very day.
>>71700736
These poor folks where probably just refugees.
Nothing to worry about
>>71701397
This is the best environmental act that has happened. This saved hundreds of forests. Russia would be completely empty by now if there was no cleansing.
>>71700736
Mongols were strong Empire.
>>71700736
Croatian-Chink here
asians are the real masterrace tqbh (Chinese in particular)
>>71712282
Why in the name of fuck would anyone take Ethiopia?
They would just loose shitload of money for nothing...
>>71714328
What do Croats have to do with Mongolians?
We won battles when they attacked us in hilly and mountains terrain like near fortress Klis
Their invasion lasted couple of months and was a blunder
Horse archer means dick in the hills
>>71714983
they haven nothing to do with mongolians, I'm just a croat-born chink living in croatia, my parents moved here around the 80s
I still think asians are the masterrace allthough mongolians are shit-tier sand conquerors, once they ran into serious opposition they failed, other tactics included doublenigger backstabing and mass ambushes
